thanks for putting this out there bro, it's hard to fully appreciate the beauty and fragility of this ecosystem until you get below the surface. The contrast between this reserve and unprotected areas is a valuable reminder of what has been lost already, hopefully more people see this and take note.
Getting below the water gives one a whole new level of appreciation for the natural world. Its sad to see the contrast sometimes but it also makes me hopeful in a way. What if everywhere felt like diving reserves? I need to get my hands on a time machine, that would make a great video. "Diving 1000 years ago" lol
Someone's got to do it, thanks to people like yourself it is not a thankless endeavor. Glad you enjoyed, while people are finding value in the vids ill try stay motivated in bringing message that I feel are important. In regards to this issue specifically "Starving Snapper" I have thought a lot more about and believe it to be the result more sinister causes than typically prescribed. Though the issue is very multifaceted and what we observe in snapper is likely the culmination of numerous environmental factors. I may make another video on this in the future, thanks.
Thanks for putting this educational and informative video together, love the way you captured these beautiful snapper with video rather than with a spear. Keep up the excellent work.
Thank you, Michael! I feel a huge debt to the ocean, it has given me a lot, and I have taken a lot. So, it is only fair to give back. I can't say silent and the world I love dies around me.
Great video and i think you are bang on, I heard rumours somewhere that an extension of the goat island was on the cards, and was certainly recommended. With so much Kina around we should do what they did in wellington, have a dive day promotoed and gather a shitload of kina in the Dense areas and then dump them in a place like goat island. Anyway the commercial fishing situation is in a bad way and there is no easy fix as long as Fisheries NZ is in its current form, we all know the commercial fishing sector is so short sighted and needs to be reigned in bigtime by a government that has big ones. They have stuffed the Mussel reefs up long ago, destroyed the crayfish population and tried very hard to wipe out the scallop beds, they got stopped just in the nick of time with the result that kiwis can no longer dive for Scallops. If they are allowed to they will no doubt do the same to snapper if they could get away with it, already having decimated Hapuka etc. Unfortunatly the people that are the so called care takers only make decisions when they are easy to make and thats when there is next to nothing left to take. Support Legal sea
As always my friend, you are well informed and have some interesting stuff to say. The Kina issue is definitely a tough problem, removing them from the Barrens would help but rampant Kina are only really a symptom of no predation. Rehoming them into reserves is a fantastic solution, maybe one day I could organise such an event? To see hundreds of broken Kina and snapper feasting would be a sight to behold. Lega sea is one of the few organisations that want better for our oceans, they have my support! Our care takers, take care of themselves and each other. We need dispel these evil beings that seek to ruin our country. It goes deeper than just the oceans, I am extremely concerned about the direction our country is headed. Thank you, stoked to hear from ya
Early 70s in the far north west coast the commerical guys descemated the snapper stock that in turn made the paddle crab population exploded they inturn descimated the Toaharos beds and in 40 years its still in recovery! So my belief you need to kertail commericial fishers.. but loik at who owns the fishing liencecses? Tianui, Natahu, etc....they hold the biggest right in Sanfords (all iwi owned)fishing Aotearoa fishing(maori owned) Ngāi Tahu owns nearly all of Sanford! So ask yourselfs if NZ fish is going to do what! FA is the answer as there been doing on fisheries for donkeys years.
What is the effect of the commercial fisheries haul of bait fish in the Hauraki Gulf, the snapper feed on pilchards, mac's and kahawai etc at various times, and these species are being hammered, NZ fisheries research is limited.
It is hard to say the exact effects, the ocean is complex and interconnected. One symptom is starving snapper, but they won't be the only species suffering. Without bait fish the ecosystem becomes less stable as so many species rely on them. Stopping the flow of bait fish into the gulf, entirely, would be like depriving a plant of water. It would survive for a while but die a slow painful death. You could think of the marine ecosystem as a Jenga tower, each species a block. As each block disappears the structure becomes less stable before ultimately collapsing. Not all blocks need to be removed for the structure to collapse // not all species need to be removed for the ecosystem to collapse. Some blocks are more critical and hold more weight than others. Bait fish hold up a lot of other species in the marine ecosystem. The catching of bait fish, especially in the numbers that they do, is unbelievably short sighted.
New Zealand's commercial fisheries have been corrupt for years while the recreational fishers get the restrictions... Our political leaders know this yet when they themselves have invested intrests in the industry..... all atempts toward change go out with the next murky tide
Excellent video thanks. The weird thing is that bait fishers are catching a few mushy fish in every haul in the mussel farms. Where they can eat the mussels off the lines. They are always small fish 35cm or less. So it's a mystery to me
Yeah, certainly interesting that they would be like that with such an abundant food source. Possibly hungry snapper travel to these areas to fatten up?
There has always been a few skinny fish out there ,but this year has been really bad. The water temperature has been unusually high,bottom trawling, and an obsession with catching larger fish ,more worm species that snapper eat when hungry that upset their stomachs and authorities dragging their feet over marine reserves. There are plenty of fish out there, they just need a better environment.
It is true that there are many factors involved. Nature is relentless but we really have been pretty relentless to her! I don't think it would take long for our marine environment to drastically improve if we focused on saving it. Within our lifetime we could see the seas more beautiful than ever or alternatively... an ocean of blood!
I can't believe that they haven't done a stock assessment for over 20 years. This on top of the fact that most of the onboard cameras among fishing boats are 'impaired' only shows how much NZ doesn't care about sustainability.
Yeah, it's pretty incredible the lack information available! You would think that a natural resource that is worth millions and millions of dollars annually would be well researched. And it likely is, but not by our g0v and the information is not public. The big companies know what's going on, they fish at a scale unrealistic for most research projects. They probably have huge data sets and data analysts to optimize profits. The big players probably do their own stock assessments using data from their exploits. If things were going well for our fishy friends, you can bet the commercial fishing giants would start releasing information and funding g0v research projects. If they could push the narrative that our oceans are actually fine, they for sure would, but only to try and get more quota and make more money. I think that the majority of New Zealanders do, as individuals, care about sustainability. But as for many things, a few spoils it for the majority. Worst part is... those few make most of the decisions.
The most recent SNA1 plenary has been in front of the FNZ Inshore Fisheries working group this week, it will be publically available after review soon.
Well, that will be an interesting read. I would prefer to see the information before it likely gets sanitized, edited and filtered by a group of people who have it in their best interest to paint a pretty picture. It will be worth considering how surveying technology and fishing techniques would have changed in the 20 years since the stock was last accessed. I highly doubt that the way information was collected for the recent "SNA1 plenary" would be identical to the last assessment. I bet we can find more fish nowadays, but I wouldn't bet on there being more. Thanks for letting me know, hopefully its publicly available before the snapper no longer are!
Spoon, you legend, thanks for thinking outside of yourself. We are all in this journey of life together, I am stoked that the message resonated with you. Thank you for connecting with the land that I love, everything makes a difference. It doesn’t matter how far away you are, all oceans are connected. Let’s each do our bit now and we may forever bask in the glory of the natural world
Thanks for highlighting a major concern… please research further as it is far from clear what the answers and even causes are… certainly not as simple as protecting Snapper: what is their staple food for example… is it the over fishing of crayfish are causing imbalance to kina numbers etc…
Cheers Actiaint! It is no simple issue, and the causes are not clear, more research must be conducted! I'll continue to investigate on my part but it's very difficult to get the bigger picture. One day I hope to make a video following this topic up with more specific information. I am open to all ideas and theory's, so if you have any, I would love you to contribute. thanks
Yeah that is usually the way it goes. You can be almost certain that if any "official research" is conducted, recreational fishermen will cop most the blame for the depleted stock. Money talks and recreational fishermen don't fund g0v, it is in their best interests to prioritize commercial fishing.
Yes that is a good point, the symptoms we are seeing rise from many causes. The ocean is more complex than we currently understand. Thanks for the comment highlighting this. I will definitely consider making a crayfish video!
Well back 96 i you to landbase remote north Corromandel from the rocks and caught a 43cm snapper with milky fresh! Btw who iwns the fishery licences? Maori interests and im affraid they dont care so much either...I diffinitely think commerial fishing in the gulf including snapper, baitfish, crayfish, schollops needs to have greater restriction. Remember to ask who and which companys have the fishing licences! Then you know the truth. Coastal resident of 60 years. Most NZ snapper ends up in china or korea... as no local can afford snapper $42 a kilo. Kahawai sold to australia for 10 cents a fish for grayfish pot bait.
Your story from 96 is interesting, clearly an issue that has been lingering for a while. I'm glad it's getting more attention nowadays. According to some things I have read, the "stock" has reached lower numbers historically. Money is power and power corrupts. It seems too reductively simple, but it unfortunately seems situation has been brought about by people following their selfish desires. Personally, I know numerous Māori that have a huge amount of respect of the Moana. I'm not interested in making racial stereotypes and think burden of the blame lays most heavily on the New Zealanders who are selling their country. They buy it, but we rip it from the oceans!
Disagree bro! Im not racial targeting! Facts are facts dont belive me just simply google it owns such and such it's all there. The problem I believe is the minister of fishers they are such dickless bunch, Labour, national who ever in power, as you say it's all about the money. you cannot deny who the largest owner of seafood product are! ITs tribal interests!
thanks for putting this out there bro, it's hard to fully appreciate the beauty and fragility of this ecosystem until you get below the surface. The contrast between this reserve and unprotected areas is a valuable reminder of what has been lost already, hopefully more people see this and take note.
Getting below the water gives one a whole new level of appreciation for the natural world. Its sad to see the contrast sometimes but it also makes me hopeful in a way. What if everywhere felt like diving reserves?
I need to get my hands on a time machine, that would make a great video. "Diving 1000 years ago" lol
Awesome vid. Thanks for calling out the human madness and challenging us to help out and do our part.
Someone's got to do it, thanks to people like yourself it is not a thankless endeavor. Glad you enjoyed, while people are finding value in the vids ill try stay motivated in bringing message that I feel are important.
In regards to this issue specifically "Starving Snapper" I have thought a lot more about and believe it to be the result more sinister causes than typically prescribed. Though the issue is very multifaceted and what we observe in snapper is likely the culmination of numerous environmental factors. I may make another video on this in the future, thanks.
Thanks for putting this educational and informative video together, love the way you captured these beautiful snapper with video rather than with a spear.
Keep up the excellent work.
Thank you, Michael! I feel a huge debt to the ocean, it has given me a lot, and I have taken a lot. So, it is only fair to give back. I can't say silent and the world I love dies around me.
Great video and i think you are bang on, I heard rumours somewhere that an extension of the goat island was on the cards, and was certainly recommended. With so much Kina around we should do what they did in wellington, have a dive day promotoed and gather a shitload of kina in the Dense areas and then dump them in a place like goat island. Anyway the commercial fishing situation is in a bad way and there is no easy fix as long as Fisheries NZ is in its current form, we all know the commercial fishing sector is so short sighted and needs to be reigned in bigtime by a government that has big ones. They have stuffed the Mussel reefs up long ago, destroyed the crayfish population and tried very hard to wipe out the scallop beds, they got stopped just in the nick of time with the result that kiwis can no longer dive for Scallops. If they are allowed to they will no doubt do the same to snapper if they could get away with it, already having decimated Hapuka etc. Unfortunatly the people that are the so called care takers only make decisions when they are easy to make and thats when there is next to nothing left to take. Support Legal sea
As always my friend, you are well informed and have some interesting stuff to say. The Kina issue is definitely a tough problem, removing them from the Barrens would help but rampant Kina are only really a symptom of no predation. Rehoming them into reserves is a fantastic solution, maybe one day I could organise such an event? To see hundreds of broken Kina and snapper feasting would be a sight to behold. Lega sea is one of the few organisations that want better for our oceans, they have my support! Our care takers, take care of themselves and each other. We need dispel these evil beings that seek to ruin our country. It goes deeper than just the oceans, I am extremely concerned about the direction our country is headed. Thank you, stoked to hear from ya
Early 70s in the far north west coast the commerical guys descemated the snapper stock that in turn made the paddle crab population exploded they inturn descimated the Toaharos beds and in 40 years its still in recovery! So my belief you need to kertail commericial fishers.. but loik at who owns the fishing liencecses? Tianui, Natahu, etc....they hold the biggest right in Sanfords (all iwi owned)fishing Aotearoa fishing(maori owned)
Ngāi Tahu owns nearly all of Sanford! So ask yourselfs if NZ fish is going to do what! FA is the answer as there been doing on fisheries for donkeys years.
What is the effect of the commercial fisheries haul of bait fish in the Hauraki Gulf, the snapper feed on pilchards, mac's and kahawai etc at various times, and these species are being hammered, NZ fisheries research is limited.
It is hard to say the exact effects, the ocean is complex and interconnected. One symptom is starving snapper, but they won't be the only species suffering. Without bait fish the ecosystem becomes less stable as so many species rely on them. Stopping the flow of bait fish into the gulf, entirely, would be like depriving a plant of water. It would survive for a while but die a slow painful death. You could think of the marine ecosystem as a Jenga tower, each species a block. As each block disappears the structure becomes less stable before ultimately collapsing. Not all blocks need to be removed for the structure to collapse // not all species need to be removed for the ecosystem to collapse. Some blocks are more critical and hold more weight than others. Bait fish hold up a lot of other species in the marine ecosystem.
The catching of bait fish, especially in the numbers that they do, is unbelievably short sighted.
New Zealand's commercial fisheries have been corrupt for years while the recreational fishers get the restrictions... Our political leaders know this yet when they themselves have invested intrests in the industry..... all atempts toward change go out with the next murky tide
Our county’s systems do not benefit the environment or average person. Our simulated reality favours corporations and the rich. Money talks
Our county’s systems do not benefit the environment or average person. Our simulated reality favours corporations and the rich. Money talks
Excellent video thanks. The weird thing is that bait fishers are catching a few mushy fish in every haul in the mussel farms. Where they can eat the mussels off the lines. They are always small fish 35cm or less. So it's a mystery to me
Yeah, certainly interesting that they would be like that with such an abundant food source. Possibly hungry snapper travel to these areas to fatten up?
Awesome video bro!
Shot the brother Aaron!
Great info mate.
Cheers Nathan!
There has always been a few skinny fish out there ,but this year has been really bad. The water temperature has been unusually high,bottom trawling, and an obsession with catching larger fish ,more worm species that snapper eat when hungry that upset their stomachs and authorities dragging their feet over marine reserves. There are plenty of fish out there, they just need a better environment.
It is true that there are many factors involved. Nature is relentless but we really have been pretty relentless to her! I don't think it would take long for our marine environment to drastically improve if we focused on saving it. Within our lifetime we could see the seas more beautiful than ever or alternatively... an ocean of blood!
nice one Neo!!!
Chur Alain!
I can't believe that they haven't done a stock assessment for over 20 years. This on top of the fact that most of the onboard cameras among fishing boats are 'impaired' only shows how much NZ doesn't care about sustainability.
Yeah, it's pretty incredible the lack information available! You would think that a natural resource that is worth millions and millions of dollars annually would be well researched. And it likely is, but not by our g0v and the information is not public. The big companies know what's going on, they fish at a scale unrealistic for most research projects. They probably have huge data sets and data analysts to optimize profits. The big players probably do their own stock assessments using data from their exploits.
If things were going well for our fishy friends, you can bet the commercial fishing giants would start releasing information and funding g0v research projects. If they could push the narrative that our oceans are actually fine, they for sure would, but only to try and get more quota and make more money.
I think that the majority of New Zealanders do, as individuals, care about sustainability. But as for many things, a few spoils it for the majority. Worst part is... those few make most of the decisions.
The most recent SNA1 plenary has been in front of the FNZ Inshore Fisheries working group this week, it will be publically available after review soon.
Well, that will be an interesting read. I would prefer to see the information before it likely gets sanitized, edited and filtered by a group of people who have it in their best interest to paint a pretty picture.
It will be worth considering how surveying technology and fishing techniques would have changed in the 20 years since the stock was last accessed. I highly doubt that the way information was collected for the recent "SNA1 plenary" would be identical to the last assessment. I bet we can find more fish nowadays, but I wouldn't bet on there being more.
Thanks for letting me know, hopefully its publicly available before the snapper no longer are!
i aint from NZ but ill like this vid and comment just to get it out there more this stuff matters and is important
Spoon, you legend, thanks for thinking outside of yourself. We are all in this journey of life together, I am stoked that the message resonated with you. Thank you for connecting with the land that I love, everything makes a difference. It doesn’t matter how far away you are, all oceans are connected. Let’s each do our bit now and we may forever bask in the glory of the natural world
Thanks for highlighting a major concern… please research further as it is far from clear what the answers and even causes are… certainly not as simple as protecting Snapper: what is their staple food for example… is it the over fishing of crayfish are causing imbalance to kina numbers etc…
Cheers Actiaint! It is no simple issue, and the causes are not clear, more research must be conducted! I'll continue to investigate on my part but it's very difficult to get the bigger picture. One day I hope to make a video following this topic up with more specific information. I am open to all ideas and theory's, so if you have any, I would love you to contribute. thanks
Unfortunately they will limit our catch but not the commercial boats
Yeah that is usually the way it goes. You can be almost certain that if any "official research" is conducted, recreational fishermen will cop most the blame for the depleted stock. Money talks and recreational fishermen don't fund g0v, it is in their best interests to prioritize commercial fishing.
Commercial get more tonnage each yearc.... and reg fisher get smaller catch limt
cray fish are arguably more important for eating large kina
Yes that is a good point, the symptoms we are seeing rise from many causes. The ocean is more complex than we currently understand. Thanks for the comment highlighting this. I will definitely consider making a crayfish video!
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Very waffly and unhelpful
Thanks for the input Roy
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Well back 96 i you to landbase remote north Corromandel from the rocks and caught a 43cm snapper with milky fresh!
Btw who iwns the fishery licences? Maori interests and im affraid they dont care so much either...I diffinitely think commerial fishing in the gulf including snapper, baitfish, crayfish, schollops needs to have greater restriction.
Remember to ask who and which companys have the fishing licences! Then you know the truth. Coastal resident of 60 years.
Most NZ snapper ends up in china or korea... as no local can afford snapper $42 a kilo.
Kahawai sold to australia for 10 cents a fish for grayfish pot bait.
Your story from 96 is interesting, clearly an issue that has been lingering for a while. I'm glad it's getting more attention nowadays. According to some things I have read, the "stock" has reached lower numbers historically.
Money is power and power corrupts. It seems too reductively simple, but it unfortunately seems situation has been brought about by people following their selfish desires.
Personally, I know numerous Māori that have a huge amount of respect of the Moana. I'm not interested in making racial stereotypes and think burden of the blame lays most heavily on the New Zealanders who are selling their country. They buy it, but we rip it from the oceans!
Disagree bro! Im not racial targeting! Facts are facts dont belive me just simply google it owns such and such it's all there. The problem I believe is the minister of fishers they are such dickless bunch, Labour, national who ever in power, as you say it's all about the money. you cannot deny who the largest owner of seafood product are! ITs tribal interests!