The Expat Experience in The Netherlands - Immigration and Integration to Dutch Life Jovie's Home
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In today's video I am chatting with fellow TH-cam Mama, Staci van t Hoff, about her experience moving to The Netherlands and becoming a Mama here. On her channel, Staci teaches me how to make Vegan Sushi, please check it out here: • EASY VEGAN SUSHI// COL...
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My name is Jovie and I am an American Expat Mama living in and LOVING The Netherlands. On Tuesdays On Tuesdays I make educational videos about aspects of Dutch life in English. On Thursdays, I post a random video - anything and everything from cleaning and organizing to cooking and talking about mom-related issues.
My goal is to help people who are new to The Netherlands navigate different aspects of the Dutch system. I also enjoy sharing my love of The Netherlands with Dutch viewers and chatting with you in the comments about this great little country.
Won't you come on over, kick off your shoes and stay a while?
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When I look back at my childhood, I recognize a lot of what you mention in this video. I think that we teach our children these skills and give them so much freedom because they will be better for it. I think it gives children a sense of Independence. I have a seven year old sister and she's allowed to go to school on her own and she is allowed to play outside on her own. And I can remember that I would go to the local grocery store to buy some ingredients for dinner that my parents forgot to buy. I really enjoyed my childhood here, although it had some rough periods, I wouldn't have wanted it any other way.
My wife is Hungarian. We were lucky that her employer sent her to CERAN in Spa (Belgium) to learn Dutch. Before Spa we spoke English at home, after that week in Spa we have been speaking Dutch ever since. Learning the language made her life so much easier living here. I would highly recommend to learn the language if you choose to live in The Netherlands longterm.
I was 24 in 1973 when I first came to Holland for the first 5 1/2 years of my Dutch experience (a 12 year hiatus and then returned for good in 1989). I can remember how excited I was to try and learn the language, but because everybody already spoke English, I had to ask them to please try to explain things to me in Dutch first and then if I still didn't understand, to speak English to me. It wasn't until I got with a Greek that I was forced to speak the language (gebrekkig mEngels!) full time. The best way to learn any language is to learn the verbs first (past, present and future) and right there you have half the language! I love hearing stories of other expats, but for some reason I have never found the need to seek them out. I'm still as American as apple pie, but have never felt homesick for America .. probably because, even after 30+ years, I feel like a tourist. Holland is exciting and beautiful and wonderful and magical .. even after all these years. But then, I feel the same way about any country I visit. 🌹
Please not Holland.... it's the Netherlands
@@mariadebake5483 Ach, wat geeft dat nou? Ik woon in Noord Holland ..
@@LindaCasey Maar ik niet. Ik woon in Noord-Brabant dus niet in Holland maar wel in Nederland
@@mariadebake5483 Fijn voor je lieverd .. geniet van dit leuk landje .. hoe het dan ook heet.💞
Swimming - teaching kids to swim is a Dutch thing, but not often picked up by expats or recent arrivals. Water, chances to drown, everywhere.
OMG this is so important to know! Maybe I should make a video about it. My son is currently in the "basics" class but almost moving up to the first "real" swimming lessons (proud Mama alert lol). Thanks for watching and commenting!!
Aside from swimming in clothes, I was also taught how to rescue someone in the water. How to swim back to shore while carrying someone who would be drowning. I think this was for the C diploma of school swimming.
The clothing thing is also to let the children go through it that the clothing klings and drags you down a bit. Most of the kids that learn at a relative young age (6-7 or so) usually have fairly thin clothes for the exam. It is more the experience than a real simulation
@@JoviesHome aside from the safety aspects, there's another thing that's quite important with regards to "growing up Dutch" and that's to loose any fear of water very young. Going swimming, especially in a group, is one of those rather typical Dutch social activities kids and teenagers engage in, much more than in most other countries except the Scandinavian countries, which are pretty similar to The Netherlands in any way.
@@marcovtjev Spot on! But very necessary nonetheless!
I live in a little village in The Netherlands and here it ís normal to greet everyone and say " goedemorgen, goedemiddag " to everybody.
Maaike Wilhelmina: I'm originally from friendly Southern California so grew up with that tradition myself. It seemed quite odd though to the average New Yorker who barely looked up.😁
Your conversation makes me wanna move from Canada to the Netherlands!!
Thanks! I enjoyed the thoughtful conversation on the differences in culture. Looking forward to experiencing it myself!
Thank you so much, K! Are you moving here soon?
We have a commercial building for sale that needs to go before we can move. We have some interested parties, so we are hoping for an offer soon. After that happens, our timeline is about 2 months to wrap up everything here and get in a visit to family... Unless it is the middle of winter and then we will have to wait until spring to travel with our Shiba Inu, as she will have to go in the cargo hold. Keeping fingers crossed. 🤞🏽 We are super excited to get started in the Netherlands!
Rule nr 1 : learn the language (this goes for wherever nation you go) and life opens up to you.
Peet: Daar ben ik 100% met je eens!
Ja, ik ben Amerikan programmeur en ik ben van plan om naar Nederland te verhuizen als ik een baan kan vinden en ik heb al tien maanden het Nederlands bestudeerd.
@@VioletEnds heb je een baan gevonden? en als je het hebt gevonden hoe vindt je het hier?
@@mardtdevisser1189 Nee, de coronacrisis heeft al mijn plannen verpest ☹
@@VioletEnds Wow ... now, THAT'S impressive!
That was a nice girl chat. Thanks for introducing Stacey. Learning the language is key to make it in your new country (wherever that is) and make you feel home in your new place. So, it’s a good thing to start some kind of language course.
Hello miss jovie,l loved your conversation because in life every day we learn different things and in learning we put them into consideration... thanks for the lnterview,l liked it.
Thank you for watching! I'm happy you liked it!
Haha, cool. I subscribed to both channels Last year. Nice to see you working together✌️
Thanks Cas! It was so nice to meet Staci!! Thanks for watching and for your support 💛
Nice video Jovie! Differences in culture are very interesting.
Wow so cool to see you in a different setting! I would love to meet you both at some point. So many similarities/shared experiences! I wish all these channels that popped up since I became a mom in 2018 were around when I was pregnant 😂 Love, another US TH-cam mama in the Netherlands 😊
Hi jovie I’m
Also new here in Netherland from
California Been here 3months now
Hi Nancy, welcome!! How do you find it here? Are you settling in well?
I’m
Still adjusting I do get home sick.
I hear ya. It took me several years to get adjusted (my fault, I was resistant in the beginning). Are you here permanently or on a short-term work contract? Sending you positive thoughts and vibes!!
Jovie's Home I live here with my boyfriend as a partnership visa. I live near Breda.
Can't take away homesickness, except by saying, welcome to the Netherlands. It will be a life changing experience, and if I may believe many Americans, it is for the better if you keep trying to break through the language barrier.
I love hearing about the Dutch freedom given to the kids. I hear it referred to here in the states as how it used to be in the 70's or 80's when kids would go out to play and not come home till dinner. I grew up in a small town and we did have some of that but where I live now I would probably have a "good samaritan" call the police if they spotted an unsupervised child. Oh and learning to swim in your clothing is GENIUS.
Informed sources have it that dutch children are the happiest in the world.
Learning to swim starts in a swimsuit, but for the first diploma you have to swim one lane (25 meters) with clothes on.
It's nothing new, I had to do that more then 45 years ago.
When I learned swimming it was part of the normal lessons at school, now you have to pay for it private.
Another thing was a traffic-diploma, I was maybe 10 or 11 when we had to do this test,
off course after some lessons, you had to recognise traffic signs and also real situations.
Now I'm writing this down I even remember that the nuns in the kindergarten thaught us
how to cross a street safely, first look left then right and left again.
Another thing, I don't know if they still do it , was "rescue swimming" getting an unconscious person to the shore. It was mandatory in the last diploma ,C I think it was called.
@@MusicJunky3 klopt, het heet reddend zwemmen, samen met bordjes duiken een van de leukste onderwerpen. Bert Haanstra heeft een leuke film gemaakt over zwemlessen.
@@petertraudes106 De Stem van het Water was de naam geloof ik. Ik zie de scene nog voor mij !
Living in the countryside of the Netherlands can be somewhat lonely. You have to find the contacts, while in the city it comes naturaly. But i guess since the little one will be eligable for school in the near future, that is a good way to connect to other moms at the school.
That's absolutely a good way
Amazing team!
Funny to hear that Staci also mentioned that she misses the kindness and friendlyness of the Americans. Me as a Dutch that is exactly what I like so much of Americans as I have said many times before. I love that so much of Americans and miss that of the Dutch. I was surprised that being mother of a Dutch child you are not required to do the inburgeringscursus. You would thing just then it is so important and I noticed that many Dutch commented on this kind of channels that they kind of assume that you have to learn the language.
And yes the freedom children in the Netherlands have is great and normal for us ( going on bike everywhere). If there were tromblesome things in a neighbourhood they give notice in school to watch for a few week better to be sure.
I'm not sure how accurate it is that Staci won't have to follow the inburgeringsecursus as a condition of her visa. Maybe the rules are changing but another viewer commented that she has the same visa and is required to learn the language. I think Staci will, too. But she's already on the road to doing it and has the advantage of her hubby and his Dutch family to help.
That friendliness that you and Staci miss - I hear ya! Sometimes I get hit with a dose of the reality/seriousness of Dutch people but other times, I'm surprised by their kindness and warmth. And the willingness to help each other out. Thanks so much for watching, Laura!! Have a great day!
Jovie's Home haha yes we don’t mean it that bad. Just are not that expressive as you Americans. And I think she has a big advantage with acDurch husband. My sister in law is from Switzerland and she spook fluently within a year because my brother was constantly correcting her to a point that we thought it was embarrasing. But she didn’t mind at all and it heloed her a lot !!
@@JoviesHome if i am not mistaken Staci's visa is dependant upon her marriage to a dutchman for the first 5 years, after that she can get an independent visa. But chech the internet, all relevant information must be there.
@@JoviesHome the website of the immigration and naturalisation service may clear some things ind.nl/
Stacy has, i think, a "parent of dutch child" visa. According to this page (ind.nl/en/family/Pages/parent(s)-of-a-minor-Dutch-child.aspx) there's no condition to have do an exam. Also when Stacy has a "partner" visa she not have to do an exam as an american (ind.nl/en/family/Pages/Spouse-or-partner.aspx). When Stacy needs an independent or permanent visa, because of divorce or something, then she must do an exam.
There are also superficial. When they ask how are you it is an form off being polite.
It depends also on the state in Texas they are less friendly then in Louisiana for example.
Hello Jovy, hello Staci, if my memory serves me well i introduced you guys to one and another. Glad to see you here together. A few tips to feel more at home in the Netherlands. 1 learn dutch. 2 learn dutch. 3 learn dutch. 4. Ride a bicycle. 5. Learn to swim. 6 celebrate kingsday and act silly.
Je hebt helemaal gelijk 😊😁... ff wenen
@@elbabah7424 ff wennen? Of wenen?
@@petertraudes106 txxx for d correction😊🙈
@@elbabah7424 je ken ook segge effe wennuh
7. Ice Skating, because well water happens to be frozen one in a while ;)
Not in a bad way but Jovi is more cheerful while Stacie is laidback... all the best u 2
Thank you for watching! 💛
I literally watched all your videos and just want to say THANK YOU, I am so excited to move with my future wife
This was so adorable to watch. Very good information about integration too.
Glad you enjoyed it!
stubborn baby, i love it! 😁👍🏻
such a cute baby boy !!!😻
Sorry ladies, but that cute baby boy really stole the show.
FULLY AGREE!! He is precious!! 😍
I live in a small village, and I believe it is more common overhere to say 'Goeiedag' to strangers. In my case it is mostly 'Moi' because of my dialect ('Moi' is an abbreviation of 'Mooie dag'). A lot of people don't mind if kids are playing in a restaurant, because playing kids are sweet kids. Ofcourse not everyone agree with it, but most of us do. Language is indeed an issue depending on where you live and your situation. If you live in a big city (for Dutch standards) than English would be perfectly fine besides Dutch ofcourse. But a thing to keep in mind is that not all Dutchies learned English at school, at least the older ones. My mom is 70, and back in the day she went to a Catholic school were they teached her French, and in smaller towns with less tourism the chances are high that you find people who speaks very rusty English because they don't need in their regular life. Besides that a lot of older people are speaking a dialect or two (and sometimes even more). I can give you an example. I was born in Stadskanaal (province of Groningen) but my parents moved to Medemblik, Noord Holland when I was a baby. I grew up with the Dutch language, but my Grandad spoke West Frisian and ofcourse at kindergarten I picked up some West Frisian dialect. At the age of 5 we m oved back to Stadskanaal. In Stadskanaal they speak 'Veenkoloniaal Gronings' but if you want to communicate with someone else in the province you use 'Standaard Gronings'. To make it even more complicated, my Grandmother is from Frisia and she has a large family and they visit her quite a lot, although I don't speak it I learned to understand it. Can it be more worse? Yes, my dad worked for years in Germany and some friends were dropping by once in a while, not that uncommon if you live in the border area (considering the fact that back in the day we had only 2 tv stations and 3 German tv stations, it wasn't that hard to understand it). If your mind isn't blowing by now, well I have another one. Twelve years ago I moved to Nieuw Buinen, Drenthe. Half of the 'gemeente Borger-Odoorn' is speaking 'Veenkoloniaal Gronings' as a dialect, but the other half is speaking a dialect called 'Drents' and since my job requires some contact with people it is very handy to understand and speak that dialect too. At the end we can make some conclusions, learning Dutch is better/easier than to learn 5 dialects, older people might not have learned English at school, and 'rusty' English speakers in small villages aren't dumb but probably speak some dialects at a daily basis :) Oh and I take a look at Staci's channel.
Thank you for the video, Jozef was a great distraction and the audio is really good.
I remember believing' 'the French where arrogant people' ; based on my few short travels to Paris. Now i 'm older I realize that beside the relative nature of any experience, no matter where one goes in the world, there are differences between big cities and small villages to consider, ( Or one part of the country, compared to another, One village , city, etc compared to another etc,etc ) It takes a while to truly understand another culture. One needs to live & mingle for a while, just like these two ladies in this video did.
Thank you for sharing. You both look Dutch to me.
So much fun to see you both in one video. If I could give this vid more than one like, I so would ;-)
Aww thank you! I am so happy to know Staci and I hope that we will make more videos together in the future! Thanks for your support!!
My parents came in the 70s to Germany from Old Yugoslavia. (Croatia part) and my mom was also a houswife and me as the first child learned German like my mom from beginning. Then in shool I learned proper German and was able to correct my parents in grammar. In the age of 10 German became my let's say mother lenguage. Today I have German citizenship. And my kid automatically. But the process you go through my mom also did. But she was a very open person and had made friends with other mom's all backgrounds. German TV, small jobs etc. So when you show interest for the new lenguage and aren't afraid it's go faster to integrate. Best wishes.
Hi Jovie! This is an interesting video.
One of the intriguing aspects of Stacy’s story is that she ended up in a more rural area of the Netherlands in contrast to the many stories of expats living in the so called ‘Randstad’ area. It’s beautiful to hear her say that she feels cushioned by the family and friends of her husband.
With respect to the ‘inburgerings cursus’: how do both of you feel about that?
The part that really drew my attention was about raising kids here. Me and my wife have raised two daughters, both adults now. Even when they were still toddlers I’ve viewed them as inexperienced people, but fully human and with distinct personalities. And so I’ve always considered it our job to create a safe environment fitting their abilities in which they could experience as much as possible.
Playing is a huge part of that. In fact I believe playing to be the most efficient way of learning. Of course schools and universities are important learning environments as well, but the aim of these institutes is mostly to prepare them for a future workplace, their economic value.
But there is so much more to life! Creativity, thinking out of the box, social skills, compassion, building a loving relationship and so much more is learned by playing and dealing with other people of all ages. Freely playing outside is a great way to get lots of experience with all of these things.
Let me finish my reaction with two recommendations ‘cause I could go on forever about this subject :-)
The first one is a book in English: “The Happiest Kids in the World” by Rina Mae Acosta and Michele Hutchison. The book is about their view based on experience and research on the way Dutch parents raise their kids.
The second one is a series of presentations Prof. Sir Ken Robinson did on TED-talks about the education systems deeply rooted
in the industrial revolution. He claims that a serious rethinking of the education system is necessary to prepare our kids for a future unknown to us.
These are very humorous presentations that every parent and educator should see and hear and think about. Warmly recommended.
Thanks again to both of you!!
Hello! Thank you so much for your kind words. I agree, Staci's story is unique and I was so grateful that she was willing to share it on my channel. Not everyone who comes here from another country lives in the Randstad and there is so much value in what she has to share.
I also fully agree with your view of parenting and the value of letting your children play and explore for themselves. This is why I adore living in NL where children have this freedom. Thanks again for watching and supporting both Staci and my videos!!
such a similar story to me! (minus having a child) Even moving to the same province! Definitely hit a lot of points that I've experienced so far, especially the language in being somewhere with not a lot of expats, and in general, not a lot of people who are super fluent in English. We also have my bf's parents and friends as support which is of course wonderful but making my own friends has been very hard, even though I have some very nice coworkers and neighbors.
But its interesting that you mentioned the exam, as an American I was first told nope, you don't need it, but now I have to take them in a few years so no idea why nobody knew that info till I got here to be honest, both the dutch and american embassies had no idea haha. I still have to look for some classes...
I remember more independence as a child. Palen - Street Soccer, Kasti-Rounders Street Baseball, Knikkeren-Marbles. Every street activity was seasonal without supervision. Didn't see evidence last time I was visiting. Biking on the street I was 6 and my brother was 12 and he taught me the traffic regulations. I remember my swimming certificate which was with my clothes on. With all respect speak Dutch for an hour or so with your fellow American friend.
Hi Charles, thanks for watching! There are two main reasons why I don't speak (much) Dutch on my channel: only about 60% of my viewers are Dutch and I don't want to alienate those from abroad who are watching my channel to learn about Dutch life. I'm practicing Dutch with others in my life, although off-camera. In my neighborhood, I see so many children playing without parental supervision. And seeing the little ones biking to/from school just warms my heart 💛. Thanks for coming over today!!
@@JoviesHome That's good because I seen too many people not picking up English because of some phobia. One thing about Australia every newcomer is called a 'New Australian' and if you're good at something they let you do it. Kasti changed into cricket and I was elevated from no 11 to number 5 after my first game. I always enjoy your little show.
Jovie, when you interview somebody look at the person you are interviewing. Don't look at the camera at all!!! You will create a better sense of intimacy with the conversation.
For what it's worth, I agree. I kept thinking "why are they looking at me when they're talking to each other?" You kinda look like TV hosts when you do that. I think it'll look more natural when you look at each other.
21:52 Actually, the notification bell only becomes active when you click the Subscribe button.
Also, I encountered the sushi making video before this one and I'm keeping it in my cooking playlist.
Hi Bert, please watch today’s Sinterklaas video...there’s a special surprise for you ;)
@@JoviesHome So, that was me on the list? I'm honored! Dankuwel, Sinterklaas! :D
In the USA most people have this fill-in term "you know" when they speak. Hers is "Yeah". Actually very Dutch, my son who lives in Holland does it all the time.
Yes, I can say Holland because he lives in Noord Holland
Hoe kan het zijn dat Stacy niet minimaal 2 uur per dag met haar man Nederlands praat? (waarbij hij de ernstigste fouten verbetert, max. 5 per keer) Dan is al erg snel een basis. Ze kijkt verder gewoon eerst kinder tv, sport en natuurfilms, waarbij duidelijk is waar de tekst over gaat. Elke dag vertaalt ze 10 zinnen uit een eenvoudig tijdschrift (volhouden!). Ze zal binnen een half jaar goed communicatief Nederlands beheersen.
the baby was the best part
First like , first comment. First view. lots of love. 🙂👏🏻
Thank you Armando!! Lots of love back at you!
Yeah the best country for kids!! Kids are number 1 here!
how about the difference in the costs of having a baby between the usa and the Netherlands ?
I will check out Stacie channel.
And yes I felt very alleen when my daughter was small.
I was and a young mom and a single mom.
I felt very scared when my daughter was smaller to let her play outside.
We lived in a flat when she was small and there was not any place she could play veilig.
I grew up in a dorp and we where always playing outside.
Everbody know who you where and kept an eye on all of us.
That is so much different when your child grows up in a city.
And yes it's true that kids when they swim for there diploma have to swim in clothes.
It's only a couple of lanes and in the beginning.
Then they can get there clothes off and finish the rest in just there swimwear.
But diploma zwemmen is very important.
Just don't start them off right when they are 4.
Maybe wait till they are a little older and stronger.
Zwemles takes a lot out of them.
Hi Antje, thanks so much. I know that the Consultatitebureaus in my city try to have support for new moms but still, this is a real issue for so many people. I found "mom channels" on TH-cam to be so helpful when my first child was born. But now you're a mom to 4 cutie fur-babies and I'm sure they keep you busy and loved. Have a great day!!!
Yes they do.
But I still have moment where I feel very alleen.
I don't think that will go away me feeling lonely some of the time.
It's just a lot better.
Yesterday I had a vrijwilligersbijeenkomst/volenteer meeting.
I'm helping at het Noordelijk Film Festival again, had such a fun time doing that last year.
I'm helping
I feel alone sometimes too.
How wonderful that you are volunteering at the Noordelijk Film Festival! Doing good deeds with your time and energy always feels great, right?! That's so cool, thanks for sharing it with me!
Because Leeuwarden was de culturele hoofdstad last year they needed a lot of volenteers.
So they made a special program for that.
And that's why I volenteered there.
And yes it feel so good to volenteer
I'm surprised to hear that survival swimming doesn't seem to be a universal thing in the USA.
I know in the UK we used do the same as the Netherlands - I hope it still exists!
As kids we also had to retrieve bricks from the bottom of the deep end fully clothed to learn how to go under to save someone else & also jump in and save the "unconscious" teacher.
We'd all be lined up on the edge of the pool in pyjamas 😂😂
Good skills to have.
Nice to see another view from a fellow American mom living in NL. I am a mom of Dutch kids too and I most certainly have to integrate (take exams, etc) I'd suggest that if your hubby is finished studying you change your visa over to a Family of EEA visa (valid for 5 years) . You'll have 3 to get your exams done and then you can get your Dutch citizenship. Good luck!
It is very clear on the IND site under Parents of a Dutch minor child says the following: ind.nl/en/family/Pages/parent(s)-of-a-minor-Dutch-child.aspx
Permanent residency or obtaining Dutch citizenship
With the residence permit for staying with a minor Dutch child, you cannot apply for permanent residence for EU citizens (duurzaam verblijf), a regular permanent residence permit or a residence permit as a long-term resident EC. Also, it is not possible for you to apply for Dutch citizenship.
Love this! Next collab Joey? :D
Thanks, Matthijs! Joey has a lot going on with work and his new home so it makes it difficult to find a time that works for us both. I'm hoping to eventually find a time that works for everyone :) I already have the whole video planned lol!!
@@JoviesHome Please teach him how to cook :P
Love your channel😍. However might I suggest sharing your views on diversity in the Netherlands? So far everyone I’ve seen on your channel look nothing like me and I’m considering a move to NL. Would be nice to hear about different cultures/see some diversity some time
Do not worry. The Netherlands, especially the western part, is culturally very diverse. Rotterdam - The Hague area is probably the most diverse of the country, both culturally and ethnically. You'll find basically all the food of the world in this small country. Some groups are more prominent than others. Major migrant groups are of Surinam, Dutch Antilles, Maroccan and Turkish descent. Another group that has very much blended into Dutch culture are Indonesians. We have lots of Indonesian food and even quite a few loanwords from the language. Of course you can eat all the famous European cuisines too. So in terms of blending in, no need to fear. Have a great time!
Mola Diver - that’s exactly the issue - about groups needing to “blend in” and this mentality of “tolerance” over “acceptance” ... there’s a big difference. I’ve been to NL several times, actually considering not to make it my home because of how superior some seem to other cultures
Mola Diver - I never said I wanted to “blend in”. I want to keep my identity and identify while appreciating the local culture and it’s people.
Speaking of loneliness, I don't think I would survive in a country and I didn't speak the language. Because of loneliness and also I would be curious to know what they say. So the first thing I would do when I moved to a different country would be to learn the language. To me it would be like survival lessons, just like swimming lessons with your clothes on.
Dutch is the closest language to English ... a lot of words are the same or almost the same .... of course English adapted a lot of French words but alll the the Germanic words we share
I love this "it would be like survival lessons, just like swimming lessons with your clothes on." You're right!! Thank you for coming over, Anka!
Gelderland is literally 1-30 minutes away from Germany
Sidenote, Jovie..children running around in a regular restaurant is not okay ;) Just because you might have seen it happen doesn't mean it's socially accepted. Then again I've noticed parents in America to be almost military-like with their raising of children which is the other extreme. With this topic of raising children the north European way I can recommend reading (or youtbeing) 'Achtung Baby'.
I agree with you. Maybe I didn't articulate what I meant by this very well. As you said, in the States it's expected that children will behave almost in a militant way. And if you go out to eat, you bring you iPad so that your kids are only seen, not heard. In Europe/NL there is a more relaxed approach to kids in restaurants, meaning that there are kids corners or it's just more acceptable that children will accompany their parents. I am NOT advocating for running around and causing trouble but just that if my 5 year old is super excited about his meal and shouts "YAY" when it arrives, people here either won't react (or will look and smile at him) versus angry looks at me/husband. I don't know if that makes sense either - it's hard to articulate this feeling. Especially since there are also places in the USA where kids are welcome or restaurants where you don't have this same approach. But generally, my impression is that Europe/NL is much more accommodating to family life.
@@JoviesHome It's hard to generalise this but most Dutch people will much sooner smile when a kid is enthusiastic and "just being a kid" and will sooner reprimand the parents for curtailing the natural expression of their children than the children themselves. Of course it's a slightly different matter if kids are truly misbehaving but let's be honest, that's not too common and if a 5 year old misbehaves, who's fault is that? Children don't raise themselves, after all. Personally I find a kid that is so exited about a meal that "yay" is the reaction to it arriving, rather adorable. What we Dutch do react adversely to are spoiled kids and parents spoiling their kids. Typical "protestant" traits like being humble, grateful, frugal but also joyous in general are still very much held in high regard, especially outside the larger cities. We like to raise our kids to be strong, compassionate and social but also having a mind of their own and somewhat resistant to (undue) authority. So, we let them play, experiment and be themselves as best we can and dare.
Kids should be allowed to express themselves as kids. Sure they have to learn certain boundaries along the way but especially with very young children there's absolutely no need to be strict. I don't have kids but I really don't mind when a kid is 'acting out' or even has a little tantrum going on. They simply don't know how else to express themselves yet and kids really shouldn't be limited in that area in any way because it only damages their development into a healthy grownup. We just have to remember we were all kids one day. :)
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Thanks for watching Antonio!
@@JoviesHome I like you're video's Jovie
So, can you explain where 'expat' ends and ' immigrant' begins?
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Just for Information, "steden"/cities are towns that have been awarded City rights, these were awarded/granted between 1086(city of Stavoren) and 1586 (Willemstad), a total of 190 cities with "Stadsrechten" exist, so officially every town build after 1600AD has to be called a "Dorp"/village. Because a lot of villages have grown bigger than a lot of cities and sometimes 2 or more villages/cities combined into a new one where a part of the new city is a city and other parts are a village it is now more common practice to call it a "Gemeente"/community, some bigger some smaller. Nobody really cares about having the right to call your town a city other than to prank another town (e.g.: even if Almere gets 10 times as big as Amsterdam it will always remain a village ;) )
Really enjoyed this "view and thoughts" on the Netherlands from another Dutchie2be.
That's a really cool fact! Thank you! How neat :) Thanks for watching!!
Gemeente is a municipality aka local government. I can speak Dutch but English is the preferred language for over 50 years.
My city is very old and has city rights, but has not even 9000 people living here. So most of the time I call it a 'dorp' (village)
Fun fact: Rotterdam got city rights three times!.. first in 1299 but they were revoked following the assassination of Wolfert van Borselen, who has granted those city rights. The second time in 1328 by Count Willem III of Holland but finally ratified and written down in 1340 by Count Willem IV
The smallest city (100 inhabitants) is Bronkhorst. The largest village is ‘s-Gravenhage/Den Haag (500,000+ inhabitants). Officially Den Haag did get city rights, but only in the Napoleonic era (around 1805-1810) when receiving city rights was a symbolic gesture. True cities and their inhabitants (like Bronkhorst, Amsterdam and Tiel where I’m from) obviously laugh about those fake city rights. Den Haag is a village!
Expat is the emigrant? or what that means? Thanks
Children are the future consumers.
Where do you live in Gelderland?
Mom's who are on child based visa,get visa for 5 years and in that 5 years they need to learn language or finde job,thats like thing that you have to do if you want to get your papers after that 5 years expiear,i will soon applay for it so thats how i know 😂
Hi Sara, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us :) Good luck to you with your IND process!!
Also thank you for watching!! Hope you have a beautiful day.
Emm in this Episode it's not actually Jovie's Home but Staci's...
We are American, here on my husband's kennismigrant visa, and DUO keeps saying I am ineligible for inburgering at this time. I am still taking courses as I can, and was eligible for a non-inburgering language course through the gementee. She can check through DUO on the integration tab. DUO will send a letter inviting you, like they do here :)
Correct me if I'm wrong but does the US not allow dual nationality, so if you or Staci became Dutch Citizens you would lose your US Citizenship. Dual Citizenship is very common in many European Countries.
I believe there's a page about that on IND.nl.
Some countries allow dual citizenship and others don't. But I believe there's an exception for instance if you came as a refugee from your current country then you for have to forfeit your citizenship and you can have dual. But I suggest checking online, they have a list of the countries and their exceptions
You don't have to forfeit*
Hi Tony, the USA is an exception country because it costs more the $4,000 USD to "renounce" your US Citizenship. Due to this financial burden, American citizens are permitted to hold dual citizenship when becoming Dutch. But for other countries it is indeed the case as you mention. Thanks for watching!
And may I add a big warning for people in the opposite situation. Dutch citizens who acquire another nationality on a voluntary basis always lose their Dutch nationality. There are quite a few documented cases of people who didn't know that in advance.
It's something you can't get around as a Dutch person. I'm an expat myself and every time I have my passport renewed (usually because it's full of visas and stamps) they check whether I haven't acquired another nationality by simply checking all the stamps. Were they to find a gap in my visa stamps and no other proof of residence as a foreigner can be presented that would raise a flag. Then if after research they actually find out I would have another country's document I'd immediately have my Dutch citizenship revoked. Funny really how that works.
Do you guys have an office
Kinderen moeten zich ook gedragen in restaurant. Erg vervelend als je zit te eten 🙂
Doe niet zo kinderachtig ! wacht maar tot je zelf kinderen krijgt is moeilijk hoor om ze stil te houden en meerdere tegelijk helemaal en voor de ouders is het ook ongemakkelijk en als jij daar dan nog iets van gaat zeggen krijg je ruzie vaak lol
@@kwasjemycat9236 ik ben al vier keer opa en heb zelf drie jongens, en mijn kinderen kleinkinderen gedragen zich ook. Als je je kinderen opvoed en een telefoon met filmpjes op de tafel zet en de kinderen het probleem van het restaurant laat worden wat de ouders vandaag doen houdt het op . Ik weet dat moeilijk is maar volhouden dan lukt het en niet schreeuwen dat is onmacht .😊
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Let's see if I could give you moms a few insides about European Kidd culture, let's start with your future as moms of dutch boys: th-cam.com/video/rGJseovT8ug/w-d-xo.html And than we come to that child freedom (okay she talks about Germany but you will find that the essentials of it did count also for the Netherlands or other European countries)
th-cam.com/video/L7-k6nK1VUw/w-d-xo.html
@3:58 The farthest family is 40 minutes away. Of course, living in The Netherlands that would be by bike.
Here we have an American lady saying that she feels "a kind of freedom" while the biggest part of the reason for that is that the Netherlands has gunlaws;-)
That has very little to do with that, criminals al have weapons. It is more a social thing, people looking out for one and other.
Observing Dutch fellow country people and their kids, I feel letting kids free on some path of discovery is often motivated by laziness or lacking knowledge or a vision how to raise kids. Our educational system teaches kids already in primary school to reason and form their opinion - excellent. But a lot of coaching is missing.
a child of dutch parent WILL get the dutch nationality if its born in the kingdom of the netherlands
there is no possibility for nationalism tourists, people dont give out european citizenship for free!
and this also isnt an option is the usa, you cant just fly from pakistan into the usa before giving birth and then start being americans.... lol
A child of a Dutch parent always gets Dutch nationality no matter where he of she is born.
En ook in Nederland moet je oppassen met kinderen ook hier wonen monsters. Helaas
Damn she is pretty
I completely agree! Thing is, she’s even MORE beautiful on the inside than the outside ❤️
Kick off your shoes and stay a while. I like that a lot!
To an OPK (other people's kids) Dutch person, ill-behaved kids are a nuisance. When they become that, it's time for them to go home. I do not frequent places with high chances of such nuisances. Where is the line? A kid has been well-behaved and after considerable time has had enough. In my head, I issue yellow and red tickets to parents, not the kids. Late fall, winter, in the dark of evening, kid in dark clothes on bike with no lights on - red ticket. You can come up with examples for kids in starred restaurants now.
I see your point and have witnessed bad parent behaviour many times. There is a fine line between letting your kids be kids (i.e., being excited on a plane) and rude (i.e., kicking the seat in front of the kid on a plane). But I do love the Dutch freedom of letting my 5 year old play by himself in the park in front of my house (I have a window looking at the park) which is something we would NEVER do in the States.
I see your point and have witnessed bad parent behaviour many times. There is a fine line between letting your kids be kids (i.e., being excited on a plane) and rude (i.e., kicking the seat in front of the kid on a plane). But I do love the Dutch freedom of letting my 5 year old play by himself in the park in front of my house (I have a window looking at the park) which is something we would NEVER do in the States.
@@JoviesHome- OKOP or PLU (can you decide these English acronyms literally taken from Dutch?)
And I thought only Dutch women liked gossip :)
Re children playing on the street, babies outside of the restaurant, young girls walking miles alone and not being bothered by anyone, are you two at all familiar with the Happiness Report? In America, from kindergarten onwards, people are indoctrinated that they live in the best of the best possible worlds. But in actual fact, the USA is rather low on the happiness list, especially for a country that boasts about itself to be the best place on Earth - something the Dutch would never say about The Netherlands. Have a look. America is low on the list and the very countries that especially the Republicans and the Hannities of the USA are despising as 'socialist' or worse, are on top. Have a look and let me know what you think of this. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report
Hey, ladies is there a difference between Dutch and american bikinis?
If so can you show us!