Roku's Ransom: Agree to Forced Arbitration or Lose Your TV!
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I expect a TV to be a video display, not a bureaucracy.
Well said.
A "smart-ass" TV. /s
He who expects nothing is never disappointed.
@@ThinkerOnTheBus Yet he who expects nothing is deceased :)
@@devilsoffspring5519 Of course, but one who is deceased, cannot be disappointed either.
Forced arbitration needs to be scrapped at the federal level
No. Our entire fucking "justice" system needs to be scrapped and rewritten. The whole thing is designed to benefit those with money, and those who make money from the system.
Does this kind of shit happening in Europe?
@@imulippo5245 nope GDPR ftw.
@@imulippo5245 Fairly sure a contract has to be equitable here.
I have contacted my representative and senators. Hopefully they actually see it.
It's illegal for a thief to rob you of your TV but somehow it's legal for the TV manuafacturer to rob you of your TV. That's messed up.
Was the full contract written on the side of the box so that it's ADA compliant? If not then the contract is not valid, there's no way for you to know and agree with a contract at the time of purchase. Therefore it's a rights violation, false advertising, and possibly many crimes.
Just use a different casting device?
It's 2024, thieves can steal your house and some governments won't do anything...
Your TV used to work.
Through their actions your TV no longer works.
They have damaged your property.
Intentionally damaging someone else's property is a crime.
Problem rises if they legally can claim that its not your property but you have the licence to use it
They damaged their own property. Which you have paid an extortionate amount to utilize (temporarily).
@arkaadias2526 That is not how property works - if you bought it, you own the property. The "features" it uses might include licensing of services, they can degrade their service, however modifying property you own without your consent is called a virus, and is a federal crime already.
So actually what they are doing is already illegal.
@@SebastianAudet Great, where police? Cant muricans do something called citizens arrest? - i have no clue how it works tho.
@@arkaadias2526 We have 2A for such things.
You win Roku, I promise never to buy a Roku TV again
Yup just bought a new TV and now selling the Roku TV at half price
reset, HDMI only, use a chrome cast. It has no power when the tv is off, as it should be.
they used to be one of the good guys and now :( I has a sad
@@cjay2 I use mine as a monitor for my living room pc.. and use it for gaming and TH-cam
@@cjay2 why are you on TH-cam go touch grass
aaaaand Roku just came out and said they were breached and 15,000 accounts accessed.
No way!!!
This should be highlighbted.
Wow!
No fucking wonder
I'm sure that's why they want people to agree to not sue them.
Having no ability to disagree or get disabled is called blackmail/extortion, which is a crime. I bought an Element TV and am happy with the purchase.
I Got a 1999 Sanyo CRT for free and I am happy with my product.
@@Warp2090can't beat a CRT!
@@robaudi20v Yeah gotta love those CRTs. I got a small zenith for free and its well over 20 years old and still works great. Nice for DVD and VHS. I just use the computer if I want to watch something in HD like blu-ray or youtube. I had a chinese smart TV but I threw it out, failed in less than a year. what a wast of money. (edit: CRTs are also the best way to play old consoles too)
Use a computer monitor with an android box (IPTV ftw).
@@Warp2090 I've owned 4 in my lifetime. First was a flatscreen JVC with VCR player when I was in 8th grade, a small 24" Insignia in early 2013 (still works), then a 32" flat panel in 2014, and when that broke (screen cracked when I moved), I replaced it with the 55" Element I have now.
I got this popup on my Roku TV today. Turned the TV off and changed my WiFi password, now it just works as a regular TV. So long Roku, won't be buying you again.
is roku the brand?
@@imabebebebe2496Roku is the OS
@@imabebebebe2496It is the OS on the TV. TCL has both roku and GoogeTV OS
I did the same thing, except I just turned my router off.
The power of the OFF button/unplugging from the wall... or whatever other name for an act for a brute method of rebellion against literal oppression you choose to apply to it.
@@imabebebebe2496yes
What did the WEF mean when the said "you will own nothing and be happy?"
This and worse.
I've read cases where Judges ruled that terms and conditions you were forced to agree to, in order to keep using a service or device cannot be legally binding because you were not given a choice, and more so, that you would be punished for refusing. We can only hope more rulings like that get handed down.
Also you cannot sign away your rights. They cannot enforce a clause that prevents you from suing them, only a clause that requires you to go through their mediation to solve the problem before going to court. That forced arbitration otherwise could say "your problem? Eff off, eat shit, ain't doing anything about it" and your recourse would end there.
most countries forcing like this wouldn't work for a consumer item.
some countries have even their own sort of official arbitration, a state agency, that gives the recommendation if the company should compensate the customer, as an option before going to court.
Same here. These companies like to use this as a tactic to scare consumers into not suing. It’s effing ridiculous.
Manufacturer: I am altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further.
Altering a deal one side without the consent of the other party is a breach of contract.
This deal's getting worse all the time.
Chad Vader?
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^ Robot chickens skit is now a reality
@@dorientjewoller113 I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up a lawsuit much like click-wrap agreements.
"TV is dying... let's make sure it dies faster!" - TV manufacturers.
Lol right? Wtf?
I just love the phrase 'Rapist Mentality' absolute pure truth and the only good comparison for these companies that I've ever heard.
Yep, these companies VIOLATE our trust, our rights, and they forcefully take that which is not theirs. Sounds pretty much bang on the money to me.
It's called Criminal Fraud, Blackmail and Racketeering. People ought to go to prison for this. You could als make a case for Felony Destruction of Property.
But it's all done over the internet, this the lawmakers and the FTC don't see what's going on... 😪
Yes, They really ought to. You're absolutely correct. Especially since State V United was the court case that decided that corporations are people. Thus, they are entitled to the same rights as people/citizens. (That case also decided that money = speech & therefore imposing legal limitations on -bribery- donations violates the 1st amd for these -corporations- people/citizens. Thus, legalizing bribery). Unfortunately, a corporation can't go to jail. So, they were given the same rights as citizens, but w/o being subjected to the punishments for breaking the law. That's why, what you're saying ought to happen, won't ever happen.
@@reallue : When done over the Internet it becomes Wire Fraud.
@@reallue The corporation can't go to jail, but its employees and shareholders can. Let's make it so that if a corporation is found guilty of a crime that requires jail time, all its constituent humans serve the time, employees and shareholders alike, with recursive application for shares held by other corporations. The first time this gets implemented, you'd probably end up jailing most of the people in the financial sector.
@@Roxor128 the problem is that this is collective punishment; most employees are only there to earn enough money to survive, and don't have much, if any say in what goes on the company, and they might not have a single clue as to what other parts of said company are doing in the first place
also I'm pretty sure that collective punishment is considered a crime against humanity, on top of not really being the most effective measure, and it unjustly punishing plenty of people (which, if in the US and put in prison, might end up having to do slave labour despite not even having done anything wrong other than be employed by morally bankrupt people, which basically covers everyone working for any corporation)
Any company that cuts all ties the moment there is a single legal disagreement should be immediately assigned a guilty verdict.
I have two Roku tv's and I could not even use hdmi without agreeing to this bullshit. There will not be a third Roku in my home.
I mean..
You connected it to the internet
Don't (use a media system.. like a computer for freedom/choice)
@@WarAuthority I've never owned a device that was rendered useless and unusable by a change in the terms years after the purchase. "You connected it to the Internet" is not a valid argument. A company reaching into my home and disabling not only a feature but the entire device if I don't agree to new terms is totally foreign and unexpected to me.
Another question that should probably be asked is why did they do this? Was there a massive data breach of customer information or payment data that makes them think that a class action on the way? Disabling a TV that's already bought and paid for and possibly professionally mounted to a wall could cause a class action itself. Denying users access to typically non-smart tv functions like tv tuners and inputs might even be considered tortious interference between the hardware manufacturer (TCL and HIsense in my case) and the user. They must have known that this would piss people off. What prompted them to do this?
@@peoplephobic "What prompted them to do this?" Uhh... money? Well... they aren't doing it "just for money"... they're doing "for a SHITLOAD of money!" (Spaceballs ref.) Either gaining data to sell, or patching a hole in terms that have been used before to sue them for some other malfeasance. So changing it so they get/save money.
2 questions
a) what does internet service (roku) has to do with tcl(tv mfr)? is roku shareholder (or even owner) of tcl?
b) is there an option in tv settings to turn auto updates off?
buy older "smart tv". or, prior to buying check is you can defeat auto-updates.
sony recently announced yt app for my smart tv won't work for much longer. didn't cry much because yt on smart tv has ads. and i dislike ads.
rossmann is exaggerating (snowden's) privacy concerns (let them listen, they can't listen to millions at once anyway), but auto-updates should be defeatable.
This is from George Orwell's "1984", written in 1948..... 76 YEARS AGO !!!
"Inside the flat a fruity voice was reading out a list of figures which had something to do with the production of pig-iron. The voice came from an oblong metal plaque like a dulled mirror which formed part of the surface of the right-hand wall. Winston turned a switch and the voice sank somewhat, though the words were still distinguishable. The instrument (the telescreen, it was called) could be dimmed, but there was no way of shutting it off completely..... The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live - did live, from habit that became instinct - in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.
Winston kept his back turned to the telescreen. It was safer, though, as he well knew, even a back can be revealing."
The difference now is we are voluntarily installing Big Brother. Winston knew the evil in the room, but we welcome it in. Orwell assumed we were much stronger than we really are.
@@spudpud-T67 "Orwell assumed we were much stronger than we really are".
Absolutely, the ready public acceptance of the "winter sniffles" fuelled attack on civil liberties a few years back illustrates your point perfectly... the level of public ignorance is depressing, I wish there were more Louis' out there pushing the message.
@@spudpud-T67Same wit the ever evolving Ai trend.
Writers and movie makers inform us we should be careful and at least take it slow when implementing ever more advanced AI lest we suddenly find we cant control anything any more.
@@Virtualblueart Consider evolution and atheism. Survival of the fittest, the best. Maybe the machine and AI is destined to superseed man. If man has no soul then is he any better than AI? Stardust is stardust in any form of matter.
@@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684 We take or meds and 'smile and wave'.
A Roku TV never made sense to me. A dumb TV with a $40 Roku stick makes sense.
Not anymore
I have a stick and a dumb tv and it showed up on my tv screen
@@elijahkeeper636 Yup same here, streaming with the Roku stick as I type. Had not heard of this fiasco till now, so glad I never opted for their TV.
Shit like this is why my OLED TV isn't allowed to see the internet.
"papa, what is the internet"
"ITS NOTHING AND YOUR HEAD WILL EXPLODE IF YOU ASK ABOUT IT AGAIN!!!!"
It's wild that a 'sensible' solution might be going into your home router's firewall settings, and barricading the OUTBOUND traffic to prevent devices from phoning home and installing malicious updates.
@@jbutler8585 And even then, it might not work
@@1e0isfdkorblpg I will steal the sim card and use it in my phone
@@1e0isfdkorblpg that's a scary thought
You know why there are no 4k 60fps TVs that do not have internet connectivity... it's because the companies that make the TVs team up with advertisers and other apps can shove themselves on you at all times and try to trick you out of your money💯💯💯
by a 4k monitor with out all the other bs and do not connect to the internet.
i just never connected my 4k tv to the net as there was no need
@@dindunuphenwongjust wait until they can brick stolen electronics
_IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!!!!!!!!_
They also use it to offset the cost of the TVs. 4K TVs should NOT be $200 but they are because their deal with Roku lets them take off some of the list price since they'll make it all back in advertising fees. This is classic monopoly tactics at play here, undercut the competition by selling at a massive loss that only you can afford and then charge them to death once they're locked in.
I think we learned why they did this today when Roku announced that there had been a data breach involving 15,000 users. Lawsuits could follow and Roku wanted to cover its butt.
the thing I learned is "do not use internet in any device where that is not the main purpose of the device"
I don't get out much. A couple years ago, my daughter took me shopping and I was surprised to see a Crockpot with wi-fi. I warned her then (haven't stopped) about the dangers of connecting things to the internet.
@@scrittle Touchscreens are cheaper to manufacture than knobs and buttons.
@@kaddiddlehopper Knobs in a car are much safer as you can operate them without taking your eyes off the road. I don't care if it's cheaper to make, it's safer.
@@ambiarock590 Everyone agrees they're easier to use and safer. No customer cares if they cost a few dollars more. I was just pointing out the rational behind their use. A manufacturer's priorities and a customer's priorities are not the same thing.
@@CptBlackEye I bought a sous vide cooker a few years ago, the only way it worked was through wifi connection. The manufacturer information blurbs about it made it seem like it was an optional feature, not the only way of operating it. I returned it, I wont give random appliances access to my network when those appliances have garbage security and have been shown to be a way to gain access to your personal network and computers.
This happened to me! They asked me to take a survey the next day. They asked me, "Has anything happened lately to make you happy about Roku" or enthusiastic or something. No question was asked if anything happened to make me unhappy....
If only an agree button exists, it shouldn't count as agree when you click the agree button.
Dude use your brain cells for a second. If there was a disagree button, what do you think it would do? It would just stop you from proceeding, which you can do on your own anyways. That's such a silly take
It won't hold up in court but that won't stop them until someone takes them to court over it. They know that for most people the time and money required to sue them isn't worth it.
@@nobodyimportant2470 It won't even get as far as a 'sue'. People just want their faulty product repaired or replaced. In Australia it'd be as easy as saying "I was blind drunk, I don't remember agreeing to any updated contractual terms". Assuming these updated 'terms and services' would even be permissible under Australian law. We have fairly solid consumer law here thankfully, for now anyway.
Realistically the button should be labelled 'subjugation'
I guess if I ever see that I'll make a video of myself clearly stating "I do NOT agree but I'm clicking the button because it's required to use my goddamn TV" and send it to the manufacturer (and probably post it on youtube)
"This language is offensive" THAT'S THE GODDAM POINT!
"This language is offensive"
Well, so is what they're doing. Are they getting it now?! 🙄
offensive to brands... that's all they care about
I dislike these modern day thin skinned people it's about getting the point across yet some of these dummies focus on the word instead of the actions of companies
More than likely, that shepal/person follows those that like to be lead.
He is totally correct if the shepal doesn't like it go elsewhere.
Keep up with the educating of America. We need it.
Well Roku will never get my money after hearing this scumbag BS. Thanks for the heads up Louis! 👍👍
I hope you mean scumbaggery BS. As you are hearing it from Louis.
Can we all agree that Smart TV's where a mistake already?
It makes no sense. If yo want your TV to do things you can connect done of things like PC, a console or a smart box etc.
And you can upgrade that as to not be obsolete like your Smart TV "features".
Consumers dig their own grave by falling for the marketing and buying "Smart" TV's.
I wish there will be at least ne manufacturer offering simple TV's like the good old days.
Another one bites the dust.
I've been actively warning people away from Roku for years... they force you to use their branded merchandise if you want different add-ons (like speakers). This is just another point against Roku.
Your points about our modern mindset in terms of equipment are well taken.
This is what you get when you put wifi where it doesn't belong. Aint ever gonna give my "smart" TV a chance to be smarter than me.
Yup I bought the cheapest "dumb" 43in TV at Best Buy and put a Roku Lite on it separately.
Best decision I made.
I saw this "arbitration" notification on it and the useless "explanation" that takes a long while to read.
But they can't do anything to my TV, they can't delete stuff from my USB drives or my network... Etc
@@humbughumbughumbug Cheap Smart TV, just not connected to the Internet, just a better monitor for the pc that drives everything is the way to go for me. The best thing about that? The Company loses money on it, because cheap TVs are cross financed by advertising
It already is smarter than you... especially if you think the problem is that it can connect to a network.
The problem is the law, not a few pieces of circuitry. You're part of the problem if you just implicitly blame the user for wanting progress.
@@stephenoliveauI'm thus glad I'm in the EU most of the shit they pull over there is illegal here.
The real problem isn't even that it got WiFi its that companies can legally do any of this scumming shit in general.
Especially Arbitration seems like a law that should never have been allowed to exist.
I got this on my Roku and was very displeased. A built in forced arbitration didn't state it at the time of purchase. Anyone who purchased a Roku before this could join a class action lawsuit against Roku. In essence Roku sells defective devices unless you agree to the new TOS. My brother didn't have internet connection for his tv and had a tv that didn't function properly due to the need of internet connectivity. It wasn't (at that time) stated on the outside of box. It should work fine without internet connectivity. Thank you Louis.
Avatar Roku would've never stood for this. Can't believe we're letting his good name be dragged through the mud like that.
TRUE
it has taken me THIS LONG TO CONNECT THE TWO ugh
IF ONLY 🤣🤣🤣
I feel so vindicated after getting goofed on for buying a dumb tv and connecting it to a raspberry pi.
I do the same, with a chrome cast.
If you have Roku do the reset, HDMI only, use a chrome cast. It has no power when the tv is off, as it should be.
And my parents wonder why I use a 12 year old Sony TV and an old dell small form factor computer as my entertainment. I can block all the ads I want and nobody can pull this kind of shit on me.
Soon we'll just buy the OLED panels and source the driver boards for them separately - the only way to get an offline viewing experience device formerly known as a TV.
I get DVDs in charity shops for 10p each, so I don't need internet to watch stuff 😊
I have an old dumb Panasonic LCD that I treasure, so my screen is not in danger. But it irritates me that the Streambar I paid a hundred bucks for could be bricked. Class action suit?
You are 100% right Louis! Thank you for making these videos.
When my Roku started advertising Roku lightbulbs, and home automation, I knew it was going to get bad.
_Order Roku Lightbulbs_ [Agree][Agree Harder]
@@Whimpy13 Me, an intellectual
[Agree][Do not disagree]
Honestly, binding arbitration needs to be treated as illegal. IDGAF about why it was made, it is being abused to circumvent the entire judicial system!
I think it was created to take the load off the courts 😅
@@soliniv1411 You know what would take a load off the courts? Not being a bunch of crooks.
It is literal ransomware and should be treated as such.
Anyone who says that your words are offensive, is choosing to ignore the truth. Louis, I completely get your point: too many are ignoring the truth, so it's time to say it exactly how it is.
Top man.
We need consumer protection laws and we need them years ago. Most other countries are improving their consumer protection and ours seems to be decaying.
When was the last time you saw someone vote for someone who was born after MSdos came out. You can't expect someone as brain dead as a geriatric possible understand how they are being robbed by technology.
That's what happens when you have a government run by money. Who are they going to protect, the randoms whining that they can't do x/y/z or the big corporations giving them millions to get/stay elected? I'm sure they convince themselves all the time that a small evil to stay elected to do big good is worth it. Or that Intellectual Property rights are the most infringed upon rights in our modern world. Honestly I don't think we can count on the government to do anything for us. The EU consumer protection laws have done more for us lately than our own laws. What's needed is a drive from consumers to demand quality non-spying software and hardware and a company that can provide that and not get bought or overtaken from within (I.E. probably has to find some way to fund itself without resorting to becoming publicly traded.)
Except these now-horrible yet undeservedly-rich tech companies would spend all the money they can fighting for Congress NOT to pass consumer protection laws that try to come into existence
We need to abolish "IP" and Patents, which is the source of this monstrous power. Without Patent Law the private solutions to these problems will overwhelm the corporate ability to respond. "Consumer Protection Laws" are as great of an idea as a ban on alcohol - the big players will find a way to abuse, while the small startups will get crushed.
Would it change anything? Germany has very strict consumer protection laws. Huawei officially sells their devices in Germany. Huawei will continue to spy on the users even when they are forced to say "We are not spying on you. Pinky promise!"
As an owner of a TCL Roku T.V., I'm glad I disconnected it from the internet years ago. I largely did it at the time because the stupid thing kept updating and breaking itself, but now I see I also saved myself from this nonsense.
As a fun side note: When your TCL Roku T.V. is not connected to the internet, its LED (which is a large 2-inch wide piece of plastic on my particular T.V.) double-flashes at you _every two seconds_ whenever the T.V. is on as a "notification" that it's not online. This "feature" is very obviously just meant to annoy you into connecting it back to the internet so the T.V. can resume harvesting your data and feeding you ads again.
Tape over the LED?
@@TheEvilAdministrator I initially considered that, but it also indicates some other useful things, and after just a few days, I no longer even really noticed the flashing, so I left it alone.
My dad has the same kind of TV as you. Easy solution is this, place electric tape over the LED section, just completely obfuscate it, and then BAM, no more annoying "booho, I can't connect to the internet" blink
Use your kid's model car paint to paint over the panel.
rip that shitty led out
It's making me think about what Klaus Schwab said " you will owe nothing and be happy" first thing I thought was yeah I'm not going to be happy
2 ways to stop them
1. Sue them in small claims court for disabling your device without your permission unless you sign away your rights
2. Sue them after agreeing, but argue because you couldn't use the device you paid for until you agreed that the terms are unenforceable
Or just get a 1000 people to take them to arbitration individually
problem, lawsuits cost like 9999999999999999999$ to be able to control the rich over the poor (rich decide poor are nothing)
Elon Musk can afford to do this, but the average person can't afford it. Maybe a class action lawsuit.
@@KasumiKenshirou even class actions will get tossed out by the corrupt government
@@grandstarstudiosFORMER-YTthey should cost nothing.
They cost nothing here.
Government handles that via consumer protection services. They even provide a website so you can file a complaint and warn companies must respond, and keep track.
They will laugh at those arbitration clauses. "We are in Brazil, arbitrate these Brazil nuts".
It is not great but infinitely better than US. Even weasel wording is taken care of.
"Customer signed and agreed."
"Customer was misled and any reasonable person would not agree to the unabridged terms. Do not dare to out-bureaucracy us."
This is the reason I started buying old cars. I like new ones but dear lord I don’t want to stare at screens and computers just to drive. I just want a car.
Yeah new cars are rough, I have driven several newer cars and the only only one that lets you fully turn the screen off was a toyota car, But you need to go through several convoluted menus to do so. The Mopar and ford ones won't even let you turn the radio off there is always something playing, even it you press mute it just turns back on eventually. I love old cars so much, I can actually turn off the radio in mine. It even has a CD player, which is something that they cheap out on and exclude in new cars. makes you wonder what else they cheap out on.
@@CompactDisc_700MB I drive semis for a living and dear lord. I got my license to drive truck not a computer that has a diesel engine attached to it. If I have one wire come loose or the ecm get to hot and quits I loose all the gauges and other required equipment I need to do my job. I’ve got 4 screens pointed at me at all times and it drives me nuts.
@@phillipreid7099 Dang, that sounds rough. They seem to just add all these computers to vehicles with no regard to longevity, safety or repairability. I like computers, but not to control a 10,000 pound vehicle. That's kinda scary to think about.
@@CompactDisc_700MB in trucking it’s all about taking away control from the driver. They keep laxing the rules and training need to get a cdl so a lot of people coming out of the schools don’t know how to handle the traffic and situations that you find yourself in. And 10,000 is to low I’m usually between 70-80,000
And soon new cars will include a feature no consumer wants: the ability for others to shut them down remotely. It's sold by politicians as being used by law enforcement to stop criminals (the same politicians who want you to forget they wanted to "defund the police" and in many areas removed their ability to pursue criminals), but anyone with a brain can see it will be abused. And hackers WILL find a way to get to this shutoff switch.
The first time a stalker hacks into his ex-girlfriends car to shut it down and murders her, these politicians that demanded this feature in the first place will pretend to be outraged. They will also attempt to gaslight everyone into thinking they were opposed to the law they, in fact, supported.
...and now there is an announcement of a breach of >15k Roku accounts.
You are 100% correct on the importance of strong language to emphasize the disgusting behavior these companies are engaging with.
Doesn't the fact that the agreement is made under duress-since you can't choose any option other than to agree if you wish to use your TV-render the entire agreement null and void?
With a good, decent judge, yes. Now that the Internet is being viewed as a common utility, it should be even worse for these companies (if anyone does something about it)
This falls under contract law.
No one forces us to purchase the tv and we have the option to return it.
I'm sure they could bribe a judge enough to decide that "not being able to use the TV" doesn't count as duress.
Depends on how much the judge views “turning off the tv” as an alternative.
I mean if Sony can remove games from your library, what’s the difference here?
No. Nobody is under duress here. Nobody is forcing you to buy or turn on the TV. Your family is not being held hostage.
TOS are generally upheld unless "unconscionable" (e.g., I promise to give LG 30% of my income for 10 years).
You have settled down into a highly respectable opinion maker. For a little while you had me worried when you initially moved from NY, but I have to say you are on point each and every time. Thank you for your experienced knowledge. Good luck with all your endeavours. Looking forward to hearing about them.
This is why I go out of my way to buy "dumb" devices that don't connect to the internet, but it's getting increasingly difficult unless you are fine with lower end devices.
Right! And it's good enough anyway. WTF do I need 8k for? To see the pores on someones ass cheeks? Retarded nonsense.
This is why I've been using iPods for music paired with an FM transmitter for my car than streaming. I control the music, I can put what I want on it, no one can take that music away from me for any reason, and the iPod cannot spy on me
Or just don't connect them to the internet.
@@uzlonewolfIt's not that simple, unfortunately. Most "smart" devices practically require it to do even the most basic functions which is stupid. No internet, no service, period. Hence, "dumb" devices instead.
@@JackFoxtrotEDMagreed, without it being connected to the internet and it being impossible to use for anything until you click agree or connect to the internet, you may as well have bought e-waste and gave the manufacturer your money on a silver platter.
Thank you for exposing the corrupt greed and blatant 'rape' of our "Life Liberty and pursuit of happiness". We are being attacked from every angle from these demons, body autonomy, spiritual, and now our TV's.
That is exactly what just happened to me about a week ago ago on my Roku TV!! Needless to say I was not happy about that!!
I ordered a HP printer from amazon just so i could print off labels from my laptop... i went to go connect the cable from the printer to my laptop... and lo and behold it was all wireless.... and i needed a monthly subscription for $9.99 a month to HP print labs (or whatever it was called) just to be able to use it.. had to use their app and go through their app. had to send my file to the hp print store and then send it from my phone to the printer.. and they had a limit to how many pages i could print... like 10 pages per month for 9.99. I boxed that piece of shit back up and sent it back to amazon. Ill just use my neighbors like ive been doing rather than pay those WEF scumbags. Stuff is truly disgusting! thank you for the work you do! These companies need to go out of business
*NEVER* buy a consumer grade product that requires "Managed Print Services"!!! 😬 "Managed Print Services" only belongs in a corporate office environment!!!
Note: Edited to fix typos. Buy a Brother laser printer, either B&W only (Around $170) or color (starts at $250). Yes the up-front printer cost is higher, but you get cheaper per page costs and a printer mechanism that is 5-10 times more durable. Even the starter toner cartridge lasts longer than any inkjet, and your pages don't fade or smear if they get wet. Plus laser print speed is 2-4 times faster . A 1200+ page toner is $45, and $80 for 2400+ pages. I stopped using inkjet decades ago and don't regret it.
@@mxslick50Exactly. There are no/very few reasons not to get a cheap laser instead of ink jet.
Your first mistake was buying HP. Just don't. Not only is their hardware crap that breaks within months, but they have the worst monetization schemes around.
This has nothing to do with WEF or other conspiracy fables. It's simply capitalism and big corps. WEF nonsense is just a distraction.
While listening to this 'rant' by Louis,( thank you, Louis) I had a flashback to the 1950s and a day in my childhood. My mom was talking to a friend of hers. They were discussing their fear that the government was spying on them through the television. I was too young to think much about it at the time. Then it started coming up again years later when I was older - I just laughed. I'm not laughing now.
Only difference to 1984 is that it's not the government we need to fear, it's private companies.
Matter of fact, the government is our only hope to regulate and put an end to this madness. Lord have mercy... 🥶
@LRM12o8 Not as long as private companies can bri- i mean, lobby the politicians to allow this shit to continue
@@LRM12o8The government is in cahoots with the private companies. The government wants, but is (at least in the U.S.) still fairly limited on how they can legally spy on their citizens. Now, if the private company does it on their behalf, that's much easier for them to conceal and deny.
I will live without. The only way to end it is to not participate.
Louis strapped into his recliner to stop him from jumping at the camera
These are the kinds of things that happen when corporations are allowed to continuously merge until there is hardly any competition left.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. There are a whole bunch of problems that come from the government deciding who to break up and when.
Free market is good. the thing is these corporations pay for their market. through lobbying. campaign donations and the sort. Then they control and monopolize. Free market with regulations towards the government and standards for the market can benefit.
Want to make it even more free. Remove government issued patents. This spawns more competition and people vy for making the best product will be the one selling.@mystic_scythe
BNL from WALL-E but in real life
Corporations don't play in the free market they play in the controlled market and pay through campaign contributions, lobbying, and law writing. To prevent competition or create barriers of entry. Another thing is patents these are government issued, which create problems since they can hide away innovation, create stagnation or false innovations that do nothing but change one style of thing.
This kind of interference actually hinders progress and competition. IF patents were limited and or nonexistent we could just be buying superior made products from the company that makes them the best instead of inferior products that a company owns the patent too.
@mystic_scythewhere did you see a free market? This problem stems from a controlled market
When I saw this, it got me mad when a company forces you to agree with terms and conditions after the fact you should legally be able to get your money back for the product at full retail price. I don't care if the product is a decade year old. Waiting until something is past its return window or will not even start stopping you from potentially locking you out of your data and files you need should be criminal.
This is legal intimidation tactics and corporations get away with this for decades it needs to stop.
The biggest problem is something I noticed while speaking with my parents. Like Louis,
I’m a technology and gear freak. I was explaining to them how difficult it was re-activating my cable TV service after being out of the country for a few months. Took me 3 days on the phone then finally a trip to the store and someone was able to fix it by selecting the ‘on ‘ option somewhere.
Yet my tenant was able to turn it on 3 times using my account and card after I was told it can’t be done without me….
The parents said, why do you let this get you so worked up?
Why ? Because it’s un except able. And because of people just saying, well that’s how it is and not making a scene in the cable store is why they continue to think they can get away with it.
Well no more, no more ‘purchasing’ a $1300 phone that allows me to listen to the music I paid for and uploaded for only $10 per month
No more renting photoshop for ever. No more accepting that Google and Microsoft are monopolies . I personally am either getting what I paid for one way or another. New rules and laws need to be put into place that weren’t necessary 20 years ago. Wake up and put your foot down.
The EU's DMA came into full force last Wednesday. Hopefully, we'll see some disentanglement of these monopolies.
Unfortunately, this is only a symptom of a much larger problem. There's a Princeton study that proved beyond any doubt that our elected US Govt representatives DO NOT represent us. Like, at all. I could go into it but I don't feel like typing all that again.
The gist of it is tht ~80% of Americans, regardless of their political affiliation all agree on & want things like legalization of Marijuana, an end to the endless wars, & Healthcare (esp medicare-4-all) so that getting sick doesn't mean going bankrupt. This is something that every other 1st world country in the world has enjoyed for decades. But, our govt will never even bring it to the floor for a vote. Why not when it is something tht is both the will & in the best interests of the American people? Bc of the corruption tht has spread so thoroughly throughout the entire federal govt. Our elections are rigged by easily tampered E-voting machines. When covered by the laughably corrupted mainstream media, they also say "there is no evidence of election rigging".
Well, that's intentional too. A 12yo girl demonstrated how easily these machines are hacked at a DARPA-CON over a decade ago. W/ all the top security brass in the audience. Using nothing but a pen-sized screwdriver she was able to open an E-voting machine & gain admin access in under 1min. Once she had admin access she showed how easy it was to transfer votes already cast from one candidate to another. Leaving behind no digital footprint (aka: evidence).
Now, think about how taxes are removed from your paycheck b4 u ever receive it. & how u can't spend money anywhere w/o being taxed again. Money we're forced to pay, double & yet we receive zero goods or services.
& the money we do have loses value every day. The govt, under Biden has printed a trillion dollars every 100 days. The US dollar used to be worth 100 pennies. Now it's worth 3-4¢. That's why houses in 1970 cost ~$20k on avg. & now they cost an avg of $440k. Bc our dollar loses its buying power as they do this.
Instead of regulating corruption like this, they embrace corruption. & the game has been being rigged against us in every aspect imaginable. It's harder for the invisible hand of the free market is weighing down the scales. We used to be able to vote w/ our dollars, to not reward this kind of toxic behavior but how does one do that when all the tech companies are engaging in it?
_"The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants every 20 years or so"_
- Benjamin Franklin
We're decades overdue for that. This is all the result of neglecting the needs of the tree of liberty
I completely hear what it is you are saying, and I agree with you, but you must realize that unfortunately, in the US, corporations have more rights than the citizens. Hence, that is an issue we must address prior to attaining the power necessary to put an end to these other despicable, unethical, and nefarious corporate practices.
Ever hear of GIMP??? GIMP is a cross-platform image editor for GNU/Linux, macOS, Windows, and several other operating systems. It is a highly capable piece of freeware that is comparable to PhotoShop, and although it might have as many features, functionalities, and tools built into the software as PhotoShop, it is capable of meeting most users needs in regards to image editing. If you already know PhotoShop, there will be practically no learning curve at all in switching to GIMP. It's a powerful, and free, piece of software, so give it a try.
*Unacceptable
We have entered the era of blaming the victims. Your TV isn't working, it must be something YOU are doing wrong! Your car was stolen, you should have parked it in a better area and used a steering lock! Your account was compromised by a data breach, you should have had credit monitoring locks in place!
a few months back my neighbor asked me if i could hook her laptop up to her living room TV, and use it as the laptops display. i said sure, since thats simple.....i was not right. it was a 'smart' TV, a samsung one, & although it had wifi, & installed apps, it was built to play nice with apple devices, and her laptop was an HP. i tried several things, i tried setting the TV as the laptops wireless display, the TV blocks it, so i got an HDMI cable & did it the old fashion way & it worked fine. my point is the TV had the functionality to allow it being used as a wireless display for a PC, it had those options, but samsung blocks or frustrates the process so thoroughly, that most users will give up & just use its built in apps with their endless commercials. now she watches movies & shows over her laptop to the TV, and i installed librewolf & ublock origin, no ad's just what she wants. she LOVES it.
This is why I prefer old school analog technology, the corporations can't really control or stop
All too hard. I just use a chromecast dongle on hdmi. Works great.
@@americanfreedomworldpeace This is one big reason as to why I've been carrying around and using iPods as my music player and not Spotify. I've been using a 4th gen iPod classic with the clickwheel and everything and I love it.
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ thanks for helping your neighbor
You just mirrored pretty much EXACTLY how I operate lol
My parents did this (and probably still do) and I was raised into it, and still continue the practice. HDMI from my laptop to the big screen. It worked with DVD players, it works with my computer too. Throw on a wireless mouse and keyboard and you have a pretty sweet setup. If you are well-off enough (which I am not) you can use a computer dedicated to 100% tv usage and never bother having to disconnect it.
Additionally, if you are someone who does the old "yo ho ho" technique with movies/shows, you can hook up a dedicated storage drive to this system and run it using the drive. The entire setup takes up about the same space as a DVD player, the only difference being it doesn't need discs to work. Easy to surf the web, you don't have ads (if you are an adblock user), and it is super easy to set up and use.
I don't think I will ever bother connecting one to do it the "conventional" way.
Thank you for speaking out about this crap companies are doing.
Un solicited advertising on your smart phone in South Africa is now banned, failure to comply heavy fine
Don't agree to forced arbitration, sue them for bricking your TV, they can't force arbitration because you never agreed to it... We just need enough people making the sacrifice to get a class action
Or everyone filing at their small claims court. If a Roku representative don't show up, they lose the case. So if 1,000 people filed, thats 1,000 places roku needs to send an employee or lose the case.
The good thing of small claim courts is that lawyers are not allowed.
Interesting. Definitely taking notes the next time I need to agree to a document (Plus I am backing up every TOS/EULA I agree to just so I can rub it in their faces in court)@@RicardoSantos-oz3uj
1000 percent nailed it. The corporate world has gone completely Control Crazy and it has to be stopped!!!!
Roku TV - can't even change local input name without net connection. disgusting behavior
Wtfffff
"The manufacturer can take back features at any time". I been screaming this to my fam/friends for years. It's just a matter time.
Always a great time watching his reflection with the video slowed down
This shit is everywhere. I have a side gig as a bartender. We receive our tips on a bankcard. We are "allowed" to opt out FOR A FEE. If you have the bankcard and use it every single purchase you make is categorized and sent to your employer. Purchase something they do not agree with or give to the wrong political ideology and now your employer knows. I have already seen people fired because of what they purchased.
Can you get cash out at an ATM with it? I think I would be going back to the old fashioned way of doing business
How..... how the fuck is that legal?!
I suppose the best way to bypass that would be to only use that card to pay for expenses or "regular" things, and offload your more 'political' purchases to your personal cards or accounts. But that doesn't excuse the whole "opting out for a fee" thing.
Okay, that is grounds for a lawsuit.
Welcome to 1984. If everyone had read that book, we would not be in the mess we are in.
"You will own nothing and be happy."
One step at a time
If I wasn't paying then I would, that's the part the companies magically forget.
Physical media or piracy for me and screw 'em subscriptions and smart toilet seats.
"The things you own.. Own YOU"
Only if stupid people keep allowing these companies to do this.
The WEF was simply describing trends they were already seeing in the market.
I FKN love your videos, #Louis. Much respect from Perth, Western Australia.
Preach it, brother! You couldnt be more right. Control of the public is FOUNDED in making us fight amongst ouselves over stupid shit.
This is the reason why our wages are so low and cost of living is so high. People would rather make excuses as to what might happen if we raised wages rather than actually force companies to pay a living wage. It's disgusting
Bought a Sony smart tv recently.
It's apparently too far away from the router to use the features, but not far enough away to not load ads. 🙄
The ads might be built-in to the TV. Or they're full of 🐂💩.
Lmfao. You're getting fisted.
They downloaded the ads to your TV and will force you to watch them even without Internet.
I had a friend with a TV and no Internet (at all) but it still forced them to watch the ads by completely blocking all button functions until the ads were over.
Why don’t people just hook up a computer to the tv?
My tv has never been online.
I do that with a Linux Mint box.
With an ad blocker installed.
Bought a Roku device about five years ago, first thing it did was ask for my credit card. I returned it. Never again.
LOL Good! More people need to NOPE out of this.
Give it a privacy credit card, sure they got numbers, but it can never charge it lol.
That aside, good on ya for returning their garbage
I gave them a card that I keep locked. Same card I gave Paypal.
Wow, my roku never ask for a credit card or it would be returned immediately.
I heard about this earlier, and I was looking at Roku TV's for the kids, to save getting separate streaming boxes... now never going near Roku ever ever again.
I have had my pc plugged into my two tv's for 20+ years. Neither tv (one smart one older Plasma) connect to the internet. Also canceled cable and streaming 20+ years ago as well. You can find anything you want on the internet.
Sounds like a massive lawsuit inbound.
I love your channel, you keep it real!
We need something like a Rossman list of rapist companies and/or maybe "a this and not that" company/product list. The average joe either doesn't have the time or the bandwidth (because of all of society's demands) to do a good job of researching everything.
Compiling such a list would take weeks and as such Louis or even us on the moderation team will probably not do anytime soon.
Mozilla’s “privacy not included” list has some sources on this.
Probably easier (and more useful) to create a list of non-rapist-mentality companies. (ARE there any?)
I've been building one of my own. I have a discord channel that I add to whenever Louis makes a video about this kind of stuff.
It can be done by creating a wiki and allowing people to enter new data.
Hey Louis, as a SA survivor keep using the analogy - it's a perfect match.
I hope that everything is okay with you bro/sis. Nothing like this has ever happened to me, though a former friend almost pulled my pants off back in the late 2000s, so I punched him. Glad my parents were supportive of me, and the friendship ended in 2009 or so. A decade later, and my mom was on FB reading some news in 2022 and found out that the guy (aged 19 in 2018) SA-ed someone three years younger than him in 2018. Creep deserves to rot in jail.
Thank you for saying what needs to be said. ❤
I declined new terms of sirvice from LG, result after that I truned of wi-fi and no longer want a "smart" tv ever again
have you turned off wifi? or is the TV using your neighbors wifi now?
@@robertsmith2956 truned of
change your wifi password to be sure.
*service
*LG. Result? After that, I
*turned off
*again.
@@alvallac2171 Feel better?
Stuff like this happens and then companies/IT people wonder why many people actively go out of their way to avoid updates.
Mutual support for my neighbor to better our lives and society as a whole rather than pointlessly bicker and jab at each other? Gay.
Actually
@SacchanxXwoosh
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@@rossmanngroup actually what
@@CmdrTigerKing Actually
I have as much 'dumb' tech as possible in my life because of BS like this. My TV is 15 years old at this point cause I refuse to buy a new one since 99% of them FORCE you to connect to the internet nowadays. I installed one at a hospital last year that would NOT let you complete the setup process with out connecting to wifi, so I setup my hotspot on my phone and completed the setup. After I left I got a call saying the TV wasn't working. Came back and found that it refused to operate at all, even with basic coax cable, unless you had it connected to wifi at all times. Once my phone hotspot got out of range the TV disabled itself.
Back to the store it goes.
It may be smart to invest time into studying jailbreaking. Sure, the companies can try to sue you, but you have several cases which legally allow for you to jailbreak devices for repair purposes. Every device I own is either dumbed down or jailbroken just so *I* have all of the power over *my* property.
Idk. 15 years sounds like a personal problem….
@@TheAliSareini No it doesn't. How does a Tv from 2024 play videos or whatever people dick around with online better than something from 2010? Are you one of those people who are going to argue about dimming zones or something? 🤣
@@youtubasoarus even cheap tvs come on 4k. Where a 15 year old tv would have a 1080p panel. That’s 4 times the pixel density. On top of that hdr compliances and brighter technologies are available in much larger panels now. Lastly, over time physical brightness of your tv degrades. Just because you choose to drag your knuckles through the modern world doesn’t mean we should commend you. You’d have to be smoking meth to compare a 15 year old panel to modern ones.
I knew thst agree button was some bs! Thank you for talking about this mate.
With my sister's TV, I did a factory reset and then did NOT set up any internet connection. She only uses her TV for local over the air channels and watches streaming content on her phone. The key is to NEVER connect a TV to the Internet if you don't use it for streaming content.
Also, Visio/Walmart TVs now come with a remote with *NO* keypad. The reason is they want to force you to navigate to local channels on screen so they can feed you advertising (via the Internet) on screen. The old Visio remotes, with a keypad, work with the new sets . . . . for now.
My LED tv is old enough to not be “smart” but I do have a Roku stick to watch TH-cam and streaming services. I was quite surprised the other day as well when this pop up came up, there wasn’t even an “agree or disagree” option it was simply “OK”
But it had in big bold letters “WE HAVE CHANGED TERMS OF SERVICE ARBITRATION POLICY”
I never felt the need to sue them till now. LOL I have noticed my 5 year old stick overheats if you binge watch 4K. Stuck some copper heatsinks on it, and am waiting for another Reacher or Bosh season to see if it works.
You should say back "I have changed the terms of wanting to ever buy your products again" 🤣
We have change our terms of service. Pray we don't change them further.
Why even use a Roku stick? I hook my computer up to my "not smart" 50 inch Sony TV and I am in full control of everything coming from the internet. I use a wireless keyboard and mouse. My keyboard is LED so I can type in the dark and is on a swivel mount that swings out from the wall. I use DuckieTV to keep track of my favorite programs and download them easily and quickly without the hassle of streaming services that don't broadcast at the resolution I want. In fact this is what I am using now as I type this.
Yep, this is far more common than you think. I had a dispute with a furniture store recently over something I had purchased. I was going to take them to small claims court before I realized that forced arbitration was a condition as part of the sale. People never notice until they wish to sue. Best recourse: File a formal complaint with the Better Business Bureau. It doesn’t always work but it frequently escalates matters to senior folks who get things done.
How did you sign a contract without noticing that? And if you didn't sign a contract, how is it enforceable?
@@nicholasvinen What proportion of people do you think honestly read a 30+ page contract when purchasing a chair? It’s a calculated risk not to do so and I took it. It still worked out because I can be an ass when need be. The point is, it’s a common business tactic and calling out just one or two companies that do it is silly. It’s ubiquitous.
Absolutely EPIC rant! Beautiful work, Louis.
Always great to start the day with a fresh Rossman Rant... Keep on fighting the good fight for the consumers, Louis!
DRM for tv is the craziest fucking thing ever
The next step is the TV "tax".
TV is useless anyway. You loose nothing by stop seeing it.
I can definitely relate. This is exactly what happened to me with the television I got my Mom.
This is part of what I meant when I said earlier that we're increasingly living in a society where the corporations are the citizens, and we're the crop.
Someone bringing up the fact companies have taken away our rights because we turned against ourselves?
Now we just need people to realize who the real enemy is.
Ah yes, the Divide and Conquer tactic.
yeah its been like this for a while. everyone grins and says "private companies can do what they want". governments can't stomp on your rights but apparently the loop hole is just let all the companies do it!
We always knew, some people just got brainwashed and gas lit and continue to fall for the bullshit.
@@shredwerd009they will just say it's not your right and trying to make it a right is bad because government bad and free market good
The entire trick is to constantly parade in front of the American right the madness in the left, woke, communist disasters etc. so that they get scared and go full tilt capitalism.
I’ve seen this on McDonald’s app, Bungies Destiny game and now Roku tv. It’s sickening.
I was about to splurge and buy the largest LG G3. Now, with the LG theft of our data, I cancelled my order.
Lg makes bad hardware....and worse software. Avoid them altogether
@@RJWayneriumthey used to be decent competitor in the market. Overtime they became lazy and greedy like the rest of em. Did I miss something, what happend with LG in terms of data stolen?
@@evaone4286not sure about their data mining. All I know is their end-user products are unreliable from personal experience
You are the best person on the internet. Cheers from Poland.
It's not just TVs. I'm starting to collect DVDs again because I want to own my own media instead of having it on a 'cloud', and when I went to Best Buy to get a DVD player, *all* of them connected to the internet or came with Netflix. It was, frankly, ridiculous. My Toshiba connects to the internet, my Apple TV connects to the internet, why the heck do I want a DVD player to connect to the internet? It would've cost probably $20 less without the dumb internet connection. Fortunately, I'm not forced to connect to use it, I can play a DVD with just an HDMI cord.
Thanks to you Louis, my next TV is going to be an industrial screen without any internet connection. I'm fine with my Apple TV and DVD player, I need nothing else except for a way to see how the media is being played. Things are getting so ridiculous.
I never worry about this shit while sailing on the high seas... Yargggg matey we be plundering.
your the only ones those HD antennas work on. LOL Were out on the ocean with no obstructions and look, TV!
best of all, the pirate gets better service for free.
@@someguy4252 Yarr, as a wise man Lord Gaben said, "Piracy be a service issue, not a price issue."
@@someguy4252 The seven seas edition is always the superior edition.
I have a stove that connects to the internet. Other than having the clock at the correct time, there is no good reason for this. No one is going to put food in an oven in the morning to only turn it on ~30 minutes before you get home from work in the evening. On top of that, who wants to turn on an oven when your not even home? Like WTF.
I twill call biden and rat you out that you still have gas. my microwave will talk to an oven if I bought the same model. What good does that do I have no idea, and will never find out.
I had to buy a dishwasher, and spent a long weekend with it hooked to a scope monitoring every function on it so WHEN the controller dies, I can hook up an arduino to use it.
Food prepped for cooking to the point where only heat needs added usually cannot/should not be out of fridge for long....... I mean.. Maybe? Dunno.. Sounds yuk.. Left raw potato in a cup of water the other day, it got gross to the touch rather quick. Maybe just too warm at home or something. Dunno, still yuk
Even though sour cream/sour milk/sourkraut/sour gherkins are treated as 1 of 5 a day
Not allowed where I live. You need to be able to see it to turn it on.
Imagine having your dinner ruined because it needed an update.
There are little standalone plug-in ranges that you could plug into a timer if you really wanted to turn on your stove at a certain time before you got home, with no internet connection involved. But as you pointed out, turning on your stove while you're not home is a bad idea.
03/12/24 Philips Roku TV just hit me with this today out of nowhere, it didn't show up last night.
Every time I watch one of these videos, I can't help but think how better off we could be if we had more people like you in Washington pushing for accountability. Thank you for the content you put out into the world, brother!
The crux of the problem is that the best people to wield power don't seek it, and the people who do seek it are those that should never be allowed to wield it.
Every reason to not buy a TV, just get a monitor.
I'd hate to see what those 50"+ monitors cost. I used a monitor back in the 80's. Used a vhs machine to get the tv stations. The picture is much cleaner.
Was a pain getting a hd tuner so I could put one in the storm shelter. No room for these flat screens. just wanted 13-15" to watch the weather on.
@@robertsmith2956 And maybe just be happy with something a bit smaller.
@ MiraSmit why not just be happy with a 26 inch CRT console from 1985?
Good luck with THAT.. They ALL have this "smart" crap..
@@MiraSmityou really expect that remark to help the greater cause
0:59 in, and I'm just chanting "PREACH"