You can’t just say “he’ll figure it out in a few years” we never know and with his play style I doubt it he swings super hard to hit more homers and he throws super hard and makes more errors
@@Baseballify he will figure out the balance of swinging hard and throwing hard. The plays he makes are spectacular, and if he has an Error every couple games its alright
Hes already top 25 for sure Dudes over 5 war. And positive dwar Nobody's even been in his ATMOSPHERE when it comes to electricity- the legs and the arm When he's mid-late twenties, he could be an all timer. Think Bonds at short (minus the roids and walks, plus on speed)
@@perfectpersona4334 as if the greatest players aren't the ones who receive the most hate. Lebron? massive sect of people who hate on him. Brady? same thing. Look at the comments of any MLB post involving Ohtani and it's a ton of people whining and bitching about being posted for the "millionth" time, not to mention the fallout of the gambling scandal hasn't quite settled either. I wouldn't say he's the most polarizing player in MLB history, but he has to be the most polarizing active player
meh, clickbait titles are a necessary evil for small channels. this is great content and it got me to click on it so if the content is good, the title could be literally anything and i wouldn't care
I wouldn't call Elly one of the best, nor one of the worst defenders. Even taking into account errors charged to him on difficult plays where his incredible range allowed him to even attempt, or ones most shortstops wouldn't have even had a play on. The amount of routine plays he botches does hold a lot of weight, no matter what kind of advanced analytics you choose to look at. He's not one of the best defenders, but he does have probably the highest skill ceiling potential due to his stature, range, speed, and arm strength. He's made some incredible plays that probably only he could make. But when you look at the amount of outs/runs that's saved vs the outs/runs that his routine errors have created, he definitely comes up negative. You're putting waaaayyy too much weight on his run/hit saving plays to argue he somehow comes out ahead in that equation.
great video, now you have a new follower from and living in the Dominican Republic, so far i have watched 2 videos already, but the way you explain and break down everything with stats included its amazing.
He’s a crazy good athlete with decent fundamentals, he continue to work on his fundamentals and skills he’ll be up there in MVP conversation for years to come
Error percentage does account for range. Guys without range may get fewer plays, but they have fewer made plays so it's a wash in percentage. Most of those errors you showed were errors. I'm not arguing that his range helps a lot, just that your argument needs to be tightened up there. I'm in the "he's a great defender" camp and would rather have a defender like him than say, Jeter. WIth his speed I think maybe swinging for less power and putting the ball in play more could help. Trade 10 HRs per season for 70 points of batting average and a chance to wreak havoc. For a slow player hitting HRs is more important. With his kind of speed though...
I just hope he can stay injury free long enough to figure it out and put together an MVP season. Was lucky to see Acuna do it before he lost all of his speed.
How good is Zach Neto compared to Eli? Neto has BWAR of 4.7 compared to Eli's 5.1.would Mookie Betts have a higher WAR if the Dodgers kept him at shortstop instead of moving him to rightfield? The Dodgers must think they're a better team with him in RF, but if you have a higher WAR a lot of people assume that makes you better. A lot of people want to vote for MVP based only on WAR. There's 18 shortstops with over 3 WAR compared to just 4 first basemanand 2 DH
war this war that, errors as a SS can kill not only innings but games, series and even seasons, good luck proving the war stats of de la cruz when they're in a game 7 and he gives the home team a run thanks to a routine catch error. its not hard to say that he's very very very prone to errors even at his age and since he have a very high ceiling in fielding he should adress that soon, not "hey de la cruz is really good even when he's bad"
do you even watch the games dude he has literally won games for the reds singled handedly on defense before too. Plus its his first full year & was a top 3-5 in MVP race
This video is exactly like every reds broadcast lol. hyping up there only star and defending his mistakes. Definitely agree Elly is a great player but not enough to save his team.
for those who hate on Elly, get a fuckin life. He's going to get MVP votes at 22 years old, everyone else has higher strikeout rates but he's only person people notice, many of those errors are from the beginning of the year and he's gotten so much better since then, and he leads the reds in just about every stat
Everyone notices his strikeouts because he's tied for the second highest strikeout rate in the league, and is one of only five players with a K rate above 30%. And no one cares about him leading the Reds in basically every stat, given the fact the the Reds are a team of garbage players and one legitimately good player.
@@ronmexico7256 Literally imagine being so down bad that you criticize a person that's just standing up for a player who's 22 years old and is getting so much hate 🤣💀
You can use numbers to favor an argument for or against a player. The eye test is often the best way to judge a player. Elly is someone I’d pay money to watch play. There’s only a handful of those players in the league.
Advanced stats... The people who understand advance stats know he is a good player. If you are still stuck on BA and errors you need to level up your knowledge of the game
This may be the dumbest baseball video I’ve watched. You miss a ball that comes to you it’s an error. Us old school guys use our eyes. Imagine if Elley stopped striking out so much? Your logic is flawed. We need all stats
" that baseball had a family "
Probably one of the best calls in the last 10 years.
So true
He's only 22, wait until he's 24,25,26 and has figured out the strikeouts and errors, man he will be terrifying
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You can’t just say “he’ll figure it out in a few years” we never know and with his play style I doubt it he swings super hard to hit more homers and he throws super hard and makes more errors
@@Baseballify he will figure out the balance of swinging hard and throwing hard. The plays he makes are spectacular, and if he has an Error every couple games its alright
Hes already top 25 for sure
Dudes over 5 war. And positive dwar
Nobody's even been in his ATMOSPHERE when it comes to electricity- the legs and the arm
When he's mid-late twenties, he could be an all timer. Think Bonds at short (minus the roids and walks, plus on speed)
Video quote: “He has become one of the most polarizing players in the sport.”
Clickbait title: “The most polarizing player in MLB history.”
getting tired of the blatant clickbait
calling him the most polarizing player in MLB history is just insanity
@@_ve0 Shohei Ohtani: "AM I A MUTHAFUCKING JOKE TO YOU"?!?!?!
@@nickadkins7765 how tf is ohtani polarizing he's like unanimously one of the greatest players of our time
@@perfectpersona4334 as if the greatest players aren't the ones who receive the most hate. Lebron? massive sect of people who hate on him. Brady? same thing. Look at the comments of any MLB post involving Ohtani and it's a ton of people whining and bitching about being posted for the "millionth" time, not to mention the fallout of the gambling scandal hasn't quite settled either. I wouldn't say he's the most polarizing player in MLB history, but he has to be the most polarizing active player
meh, clickbait titles are a necessary evil for small channels. this is great content and it got me to click on it so if the content is good, the title could be literally anything and i wouldn't care
zach gelof has a CRAZY strikeout rate for someone with such mid power
Gg, as a small market sympathizer, hope he gets back on last years level
@@Orisitdonald yup
don't forget the true goat Paul DeJong, what a legendary stint as a blue jay last year
@@returntolifeband lmao
An excellent and very informative production. Thank you.
I've been a fan since he came into the league. Dude is a beast with huge potential.
I wouldn't call Elly one of the best, nor one of the worst defenders. Even taking into account errors charged to him on difficult plays where his incredible range allowed him to even attempt, or ones most shortstops wouldn't have even had a play on. The amount of routine plays he botches does hold a lot of weight, no matter what kind of advanced analytics you choose to look at. He's not one of the best defenders, but he does have probably the highest skill ceiling potential due to his stature, range, speed, and arm strength. He's made some incredible plays that probably only he could make. But when you look at the amount of outs/runs that's saved vs the outs/runs that his routine errors have created, he definitely comes up negative. You're putting waaaayyy too much weight on his run/hit saving plays to argue he somehow comes out ahead in that equation.
as Tatis Jr and Oneil Cruz, he will end up playing in the outfield...
great video, now you have a new follower from and living in the Dominican Republic, so far i have watched 2 videos already, but the way you explain and break down everything with stats included its amazing.
You're going to get to 100k subs in no time if you keep up this fire. Awesome content!
He’s a crazy good athlete with decent fundamentals, he continue to work on his fundamentals and skills he’ll be up there in MVP conversation for years to come
Error percentage does account for range. Guys without range may get fewer plays, but they have fewer made plays so it's a wash in percentage. Most of those errors you showed were errors.
I'm not arguing that his range helps a lot, just that your argument needs to be tightened up there. I'm in the "he's a great defender" camp and would rather have a defender like him than say, Jeter.
WIth his speed I think maybe swinging for less power and putting the ball in play more could help. Trade 10 HRs per season for 70 points of batting average and a chance to wreak havoc. For a slow player hitting HRs is more important. With his kind of speed though...
I just hope he can stay injury free long enough to figure it out and put together an MVP season. Was lucky to see Acuna do it before he lost all of his speed.
How good is Zach Neto compared to Eli? Neto has BWAR of 4.7 compared to Eli's 5.1.would Mookie Betts have a higher WAR if the Dodgers kept him at shortstop instead of moving him to rightfield? The Dodgers must think they're a better team with him in RF, but if you have a higher WAR a lot of people assume that makes you better. A lot of people want to vote for MVP based only on WAR. There's 18 shortstops with over 3 WAR compared to just 4 first basemanand 2 DH
Will Ellie be the next 30-30 club member ? I’m hopping for 40-40
You defending his status as an elite defender while showing clips of his errors on repeat for 5 minutes had my mind in chaos😭😭
god i love this channel
same
What happens if mlb tries increasing steals again_
Elly over Oniel and I'm a Pirates fan
Great vid. Really enjoyed the analysis.
Would he be better in center
war this war that, errors as a SS can kill not only innings but games, series and even seasons, good luck proving the war stats of de la cruz when they're in a game 7 and he gives the home team a run thanks to a routine catch error.
its not hard to say that he's very very very prone to errors even at his age and since he have a very high ceiling in fielding he should adress that soon, not "hey de la cruz is really good even when he's bad"
do you even watch the games dude he has literally won games for the reds singled handedly on defense before too. Plus its his first full year & was a top 3-5 in MVP race
I have so many defensive metric scale formulas running through my head lol
Yep, other than the errors and strikeouts, sky's the limit.
Seriously? Not Barry Bonds, A-Rod, Albert Belle, Reggie Jackson, but this second year shortstop for a bad Reds team? Stop it.
This video is exactly like every reds broadcast lol. hyping up there only star and defending his mistakes. Definitely agree Elly is a great player but not enough to save his team.
All the talent, no fundamentals.
Great video
Good stuff
How are these stats calculated? Can u break down the actual math
Great video
I was way wrong on Elly going into the offseason. Dude is special.
Amazing video man!
Modern day major league "baseball"
" most polarizing in history " casually forgets Bryce Harper exists
Arod, Ty Cobb, Barry Bonds…. I could go on.
Casually forgets baseball has been played for 150 years.
Errors help your team get more losses, therefore Cincinnatis record check out.
On another team, designated hitter would solve this!
You had me at stolen bases.
They should try him in CF
why? hes already a top 10 defensive shortstop
the only thing CF would do would increase his chances of being hurt.
@@rassingaming8845 he has a negative drs
Derek Jeter. Remember?
Tatis walked so Elly can run 😢
Needed steriods to walk though
Tatis wasnt a good SS by any metric though
He’s the lil yahty of baseball
MVP votes? Lmao no way
for those who hate on Elly, get a fuckin life. He's going to get MVP votes at 22 years old, everyone else has higher strikeout rates but he's only person people notice, many of those errors are from the beginning of the year and he's gotten so much better since then, and he leads the reds in just about every stat
Everyone notices his strikeouts because he's tied for the second highest strikeout rate in the league, and is one of only five players with a K rate above 30%.
And no one cares about him leading the Reds in basically every stat, given the fact the the Reds are a team of garbage players and one legitimately good player.
Imagine getting that mad because someone is criticizing a baseball player 😂
I think you need to reevaluate your own life buddy
@@ronmexico7256 Literally imagine being so down bad that you criticize a person that's just standing up for a player who's 22 years old and is getting so much hate 🤣💀
@@mostly_baseball I don’t think you know what down bad means. Or is that why you keep bringing up his age?
You more messed up then I thought 😂
@@ronmexico7256he didn’t use “down bad” wrong.
Bring him to Detroit please
All that research for you to prove ely is not a bad defender or hitter is actually making me think he is a bad defender and hitter😂🤣
You can use numbers to favor an argument for or against a player. The eye test is often the best way to judge a player. Elly is someone I’d pay money to watch play. There’s only a handful of those players in the league.
The eye test is literally the worst way to judge a player
Him ,Cruz and Chaz all Tatis wannabes
Stop it! Nothing polarizing about this kid.
He's not a superstar.
Complacency and lack of concentration on “routine” plays.
Errors are a great way to evaluate fielding
Nope. I'd take Ellys offense and insane defense 90% of the time than a few errors.
@@JesusChrist2000BCnegative drs
bro😮
Needs to be a Yankee.
He’s not a real star and never will be. Reds would be wise to ship him out whenever a half decent offer comes in
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Shohei Ohtani has entered the chat.
Advanced stats... The people who understand advance stats know he is a good player. If you are still stuck on BA and errors you need to level up your knowledge of the game
He's a star, but the baserunning just isn't that valuable.
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@@KingNoah8372cringe comment. Look up how many outs he made on the bases.
He’s very overrated
not at all. He’s young and bound to make mistakes. And he has one of the best war in all the league
Did u watch the vid u clicked on ???? 😂😂
Umm you haven’t seen a single game he played in but l bet you can’t hit a ball and you can’t judge him
Hes a bettter player than pete rose
Pete Rose is also 80 years old.
This may be the dumbest baseball video I’ve watched. You miss a ball that comes to you it’s an error. Us old school guys use our eyes. Imagine if Elley stopped striking out so much? Your logic is flawed. We need all stats
The modern day "baseball fan" cares nothing about real baseball
This may be the dumbest baseball video I’ve watched. You miss a ball that comes to you it’s an error. Us old school guys use our eyes.
Great video