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The State Of Fandom?
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I cannot express how much I just LOVE the saying “ different strokes for different folks.”
It’s Definitely 1 of The Best Catchphrases Ever
"I am a weirdo, and I care, and I enjoy it. Here's my fic." Words of wisdom to live by. Thank you!
Verone Jaquel
Not gonna lie. I want this on a shirt tbh!
Ah, I’m getting such Poison Ivy feel for the red and green aesthetic 👌🏻❤️x
Also, helps little Harley is in the background😂.
Can I just say that I really appreciate Shipper's Guide for being the person who tries to be a voice of tolerance when it feels like everybody else just wants to fight all the time? Just thank you for making a space to feel good about fandom and shipping. These videos always give me such a sense of peace.
Ship the OT3 of Thicc Thanos/Cthulu/Bella Swan. Block out the haters
You look like a wonderful mix of Velma and Shaggy from Scooby Doo ❤
Personally I've never gotten mixed up in fandom drama (im mostly a lurker) but I've seen shit go down. People can get stuborn on opinions and argue, but that's bound to happen when people are passionate about a work. I feel like we just need to take it less seriously and have fun.
I don't feel safe in any fandom I enter these days. Loud and spiteful people with strict views on what is and isn't acceptable in a fandom has made it that I have stopped trying to even participate in fandom conversations about anything that could be construed to be problematic or degenerate. It makes me sad.
Try the good omens. I tend to stick to Twitter and fanfics but it seems pretty chill
Same.
this is the reason I keep going back to dead fandoms, I'm like a ghost I'm hidden but there
There's also the problem within fandom of persons calling out others for shipping or making them out to be evil for liking certain ships. In some of the spaces I frequent ive also observed a level of entitlement with fans harassing others and fandom artists to stop drawing certain types of content of characters instead of curating their feed. Newer and younger fans dont seem to understand that artists/writers tag their works for this reason so that if you don't want to see something it can be blocked from your feed. To me this is one of the reasons that certain fandom are the way that they are.
Cheshire Cat I dont know if this was mentioned since im only 3 minutes into the video so far (i have to watch it fully later but i want to say this before i lose my train of thought) but theres also been cases of literal violence against specific shippers. Like there was a con in taiwan where an artist was offered a plate of cookies from a supposed fan and the cookies had NEEDLES in them and hurt the artist pretty badly. The person gave the cookies to them with the INTENT to hurt purely because they shipped a "pedophilic ship" even though the artist just shipped frisk and sans from undertale who dont have canon ages. Then the attacker was PRAISED on tumblr for doing that (and still are!) because they ""nobly hurt a pedo"". Shippers have been sent spams of literal irl gore, literal child porn, and death threats because we've been slandered by people and are thus """okay""" to attack since we're """"nasty freaks""""" and its honestly super concerning. As a mentally ill queer individual who lives in the middle of nowhere within the toxic american bible belt, fandom has been my only safe place to express myself and be social with people who didnt hate me for YEARS. now im terrified every waking moment i spend online that someones going to send me gore or try to chase me off platforms just because i ship Sheith.
@@AnnoyingMystery Hey remember when shipping used to be for fun only 😔
I feel like you can’t have a tumblr blog that multiships without causing drama.
Lmao
I think it's just about empathy, my friends and I have been doing pretty well by just being kind and understanding. IDK, maybe we were just lucky.
I am not on any social media but here and Wattpad (under a different user-name) and now I am TWICE as not on any other social media.
Ugh so true
Never got into the politics of fandoms, but I’m still infinitely curious about that subject. If there’s anything more you could cover - like the biggest controversies and why they happened or why they’re a big deal - then I’d love to see it, if not them that’s completely cool. You cool 😎
I agree. I would personally love to see how some fandoms are toxic or not, like how the Voltron fandom has such a strong shipping war while the Sanders Sides fandom doesn't, for example.
I definitely miss the olden days of my fandoms...My personal opinion....I kind of wish shipping and fandom was more quiet and unknown by the mainstream.
You're like the chillest and most understanding person about fandom and mainstream. I love you and your always on point style❤❤❤
Shipper's guide: *briefly alludes to ""anti"" culture*
Shipper's guide: *briefly touches on the absurdity of the """SJW""" concept*
Me: THANK HECK that someone calls this out in a good video.
Also; I'm super excited to the livestream and content coming back!!! Woooo! Your channel is one of my all-time favorites, and I always watch the specific ship videos... even if I'm not part of the fandom you're discussing.
So welcome back ma'am!! I'm hyped!!! AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! The hype. Is. REAL!
i'm glad i got into fandom and shipping as early as i did. discovered fanfiction when i was 16, met online friends around the same time who have the same interests, discovered new interests in the following years, experienced and witnessed my fair share of fandom craziness, and learned new things about myself as well. sure maybe not being in the spotlight is preferable, but i'd rather fandom and shipping be known than not.
and hey, maybe in the next few years we'd have all calmed down some... maybe... lol
I'm one of the people who deeply resents the larger and larger spotlight being put on fandom and transformative works. I'm past my 'dirty little secret' phase for shipping but the inflammatory articles and TH-cam videos being made about shipping and "fangirl" culture are frustrating on so many levels.
Like you mentioned in the video people completely outside the community with absolutely no context are just jumping at the chance to pick on the 'weird teenage girl thing'. They reduce conversations that are already happening or have happened within the fandom to clickbait.
Fandoms have been discussing the ethics of RPS for YEARS with enough context and lived experience for nuance discussions to take place.
I love my fandom space because I've worked hard to avoid toxicity and cultivate understanding with my fellow fandom travellers. Stuff like the Larry Stylinson drama just akin to garbage being dumped in my perfectly nice pond.
But what else is there to do but take it in stride and try to remain calm because lashing out only makes us fangirls look worse.
I think the best way to enjoy fandom, other than your suggestions, is also remembering that its all fiction and not a big deal.
That being said, I do tend to avoid fandoms because the faux drama is too ridiculous.
i love how your bring the whole fandom discourse to a higher level, portraying fans and shippers as human beings who can bring positive things to their communities and being part (even if the cast of crew of the media don't want it) of the media they enjoy, making it more diverse and complex, thank you
Okayy, I’ve got quite a few thoughts about this ;) (yay essay comment)
1) I think that a lot of people who aren’t apart of fandom view it as a “teenage girl’s” pass-time. Sadly, anything that “teenage girls” seem to like (one direction, fashion, makeup ect) tends to get looked down upon. The reality is though, that there are a lot of people in fandom, not just teenage girls. I’ve met people from all walks of life, some as old as my grandparents who love star trek, to those as young as my little cousin writing fanfiction about Ariel from the little mermaid.
2) It’s sad that SJWs are seen as such a negative thing, when the whole point of being a social justice warrior is... well... social justice. Since when is that a bad thing? Don’t we want equality?
3) I think that some fans are certainly overstepping their bounds, hounding creators to do what they want, but this is certainly not the majority. I also think that it maybe sometimes okay to ask for the work to be changed, if it is outright racist or harmul (i.e If a book was gonna promote self harm then I would totally sign a petition for the tv show to not have that element). It’s a very nuanced topic, where both the creators and the fans can be at fault.
Another point to add to that is that I don’t think that people should be pushing for their ships to be canon, unless the queerbaiting is very clear. Because what’s queerbaiting and what isn’t is so messy, I would generally only stick to things where creators have outright announced a character to be gay, only to wash over it in the show/movie. For example, I don’t think Stucky was queerbaiting, because it was never intended. They wrote romance for Steve with Peggy, and that was the writer’s ship. On the other hand, the first time Adam appeared in Voltron... they outright said that he and Shiro had a thing, and then you couldn’t even tell. (I know they fixed that later but season 8 was a disaster in its own right).
4) I don’t think shipping is a bad thing, I just think that a small percentage of fans overstep boundaries and give us a bad name
5) I’ve found that Discord is actually great for fandom spaces, and I’m on a server with a bunch of people. We’re all quote different; my specialty is fanfiction, headcanons and theories, whilst others prefer strictly canon material. Some prefer art, some prefer music, some prefer discussion... But we all get along. It’s not that hard to be civil and respect other’s opinions. I even have the rarest pair of rare pairs as my otp (never ever met anyone else online who actively ships them ;-;) and ppl who have conflicting otps still put up with my ramblings about them as I put up with theirs.
I happily have not had negative experiences in my fandoms despite my 16+ years of living the fangirl life. But like anything involving people, something fun can get toxic quickly. Which is extremely unfortunate. To each ship their own and be kind to each other as Aziraphale would say.
I like what I like. Fandom can be a beautiful place.
No matter how good or bad a fandom is, we can all agree that without it the material it’s centred around wouldn’t be as popular as it is with a fandom.
I’m so glad that fandom exists because without it, I wouldn’t have discovered some of my favourite shows and books. 📚❤️📺
You are a positive source of fandom you know that? :)
Fandom can be a tricky place. There is toxicity in fandom but I am a firm believer that let others ship what makes them happy and autonomy to like any aspects of fandom. Respect and give respect in return. Agree to disagree.
People always say the star wars fandom is a cesspool of toxicity but I actually am yet to witness much of it, but then again I'm not very active in it
If you hang out in or around the ship Reylo you’ll see it. It’s not just or all Reylo shippers but there’s a lot of drama in that part of the fandom. A lot of people hate the ship, a lot of people love it, a lot of people love the way canon is going, a lot of people hate the new movies. It’s a lot of loud opinions and they each have very strong reasons to feel that way.
Reylo isn’t even the main cause of the Star Wars drama, it’s just the core where it’s easiest to see it.
As someone who was a part of the Voltron fandom... yeah. This video gets it right.
LOL, I'm still _in_ the Voltron fandom! 😂.And I always will be, of course.
Honestly, I don't interact with fandoms all that much anymore: there's just way too much negativity! People hate EVERYTHING nowadays, so I just mostly keep all my geeky stuff, ships and all, to myself. P.S. welcome back, Sasha! P.S.S. I just followed your new channel.
I love all of the supernatural gifs. Especially after watching their panel at Comic-Con
You should definitely make a video about a ranking in top 10 more toxic fandom right now, and how can we make these spaces as you so eloquently put it fundom again. As a the 100 fan I can say that that was one of the more toxic spaces I have ever encounter with the whole ship war bellarke vs clexa, those were dark ages and in a way they still are. I'm a bellarke shipper myself but I never found funny the bashing against clexa shipper and vice-versa, let's remember we are here for the same reason, and that's enjoying the show we love, the ways pf enjoyment might be different to each person but the love is the same. #StayKind.
"Who cares about what characters do in their spare time?" I DO, DAMN IT. Even with my own characters.
I recently entered the BNHA fandom and it's always scary to get into such a huge fandom because there's discourse abound, but I've managed to stay away from it mostly. You are right, scuffles within fandom have always been there and will always be there. I feel like it's gotten worse over the last few years, though, since fandom as a concept has become a lot more mainstream. There are pros and cons.
So I've been in various fandoms for the past six years and I've never personally come across any toxicity and I was in Hetalia AND Steven Universe. I think a lot of it comes down to where you participate in fandom. I didn't go on tumblr so I missed the worst of it. However as fandoms are becoming larger and more mainstream there is an air of entitlement that I dislike. That creators must confirm or must comment on ships and fandom. Personally, I would prefer if we could divorce fandom from creator and keep them separate, death of the author and all that. Because it's not fair to harass creators and actors but also creators ought to be able to move on from their work and not keep pecking over the corpse. (Yes, I am talking about JK Rowling)
Rowling is the object lesson in what not to do re: death of the author. At this time my personal standard of how to behave online as an author is Neil Gaiman. Engaged, polite (unless there is cause not to be) and firmly "this is what the text says, everything else is up to you, go nuts"
I've been getting my sister into fandoms and when I mentioned I ship Thorki she thought it was gross. The first thing out of my mouth "different strokes for different folks"
I'm saying this with all the love in the world. You're like one of those fanfic readers who leave a comment on my very chapter with lovely words or praise and encouragement. I've only had a few readers do this and I love all of them
This channel represents the best part of fandom
Despite all the hate and negativity that is going on in fandom culture I love it. I personally had mostly good experiences with the fandoms I was in. Every fandom has toxic people in it that is very true and not to be ignored BUT let's not forget the positive please. Fandoms can be so fun and can even save lives or create lives. I've met some of my best friends in the spn and queen fandom and I know people who have met their husband/wife through a fandom and have kids now!
Without fandoms I would be an even greater mess than I already am. The friends I made help me through dark times and make me feel wanted and loved. Characters like Katara from avatar inspire me to work hard for what I want. Actors like Rachel Miner inspire me to be hopeful and never give up fighting. TH-camr like Daniel Howell inspire me to be myself and live my truth. Musicians like Queen help me through panic attacks with their music. I would be in a much darker place without these people. I am eternally greatful that they are part of my life and I wouldn't trade it for anything.
Ps: you slay that shirt gurl you look absolutely gorgeous
Feel this so deeply in my favorite fandoms right now. Another great video!
I've been in fandoms for a few years now, even more and more I have felt unsafe to even discuss my ships. Being on twitter I have my little community, however, I find that we are becoming targeted. With people trying to be constant 'activist' idea and instead just attack, instead of just ignoring people's fictional work! I could not care about mainstream but I find more 'mainstream' fans just attacking others.
But I still enjoy it! And I will continue to and I really enjoy your mindset, I wish people would just allow others to have fun :)
I enjoy being part of 'the big four' fandom, the people in there are great. I know some people didn't like it but you shouldn't kind what other people think. Enjoy what you love because it make you happy😇
Honestly I’ve only been In fandoms for about 5 years but I’m seriously just thinking of jumping ship and abandoning it all. Shits just gotten to negative
i wish everyone reported like you. you're so unbiased.
Thankfully I'm in a comfortable ship and part of fandom right now, but this reminds me of a difficult fandom moment I had some years ago. My recommendation is to keep yourself to a tiny fun little corner of your fandom. To each their own experience, but I think fandom is at its most fun when it's just like your secret nerdy club with a few friends... Also, Yay! Livestreams! I really miss them!
Thanks for giving me a dose of hope after a really tough day.
I love your positive and accepting attitude. :)
Also when she said transformative I kept thinking TRANSFORMERS AHHHHH (srry I love those dork bots just needed to put that out there)
Hey Girl! I wonder since Arrow is ending can you please do more Arrowverse ships ? And Maybe do a video about x reader ? Love you 😘
I still can't believe it's ending lol makes me feel old.
ShippersGuideToTheGalaxy I know right I can’t believe it’s ending! You shouldn’t feel old beside a fandom never dies. The show may be ending but the fandom lives on
I love your hair
hatersbrunch true I love her curly red hair
I am a weirdo, I care!
Whenever I realise a comment section is a huge dumpster fire I know I should pull out but instead I go further in to get angry with complete strangers.
Politics and shipping should never mix.
That Candyman headline is making me very curious....
I love being in fandoms. My 2 main ones ive been in are Avatar/Korra and She-Ra 2018. While i have seen some toxicity (makorra vs Korrasami wasn't pretty) most of the time it was all fun. It great to talk to other people into the same things as you and i don't regret it one bit.
Big coincidence you're talking about this because I recently returned to the Beetlejuice fandom after discovering the musical, only to discover that a lot of the musical fans seem to be at war with the movie/cartoon fans (which I was originally). It's mostly over shipping, and it's gotten to to point where people are getting death threats. Really disheartening, especially when it's such a long-standing fandom that hasn't really had any big drama until now. Obviously there's no right or wrong way to enjoy something but we all essentially like the same thing so surely even those who strongly disagree can coexist?
I'm sharing the video to everyone who judges me for writing fanfics or for being in a fandom and for the people who start fights with me over a fic I wrote 😅 thank you this has become my new super wepon 😂
I was just thinking about wanting to see a new vid last night lol!! The gods provide yayyy!!!
I am a weirdo, and I enjoy it here is my fic is my mood 24/7 hahaha
Yup fandom is crazy way to much.
I’m only own little bubble most of the time so I don’t really notice when stuff happens outside of it
Which fandoms right now are having these drama feels? I know some in MHA are worried some fans who are super into BakuShima will act out and lash out at Horokoshi and other fans when some manga content that gives Kirishima/Ashido some fuel gets released in season 4 this fall. I think it’s going to be fine but it only takes one or two bad actors I guess...
Yay! Happy to have you back
:)
I love that you addressed that! It seems to be a burning topic in so much of the fan communities I'm in atm.
BTW, you're a fan of DS9? Did you hear about the quodo bomb that fell during SDCC19? XD
In honor of Preacher season four, you should do a video on Jesse x Cassidy or the OT3 of Jesse x Cassidy x Tulip!
This is why I stick to specific ship and character groups, it's easier to stay away from the toxicity and fighting.
I love what you did with your hair.
Shipping is my love hate thing I ship so much,so the sjw is rampant in the supernatural Fandom I ship wincest always have always will but it gets so deep wincest VS destiel is the argument always, and it makes fandom less fun . ship whatever you went. I wish people didn't judge and live and let ship.
I've shipped wincest since the show started...I thought the SPN fandom was the best until (some) destiel shippers became so hateful towards wincest. Now I feel ship shamed and just don't get involved. I agree...there is no wrong ship...its fiction for goodness sake. Honestly, who cares if its canon or not canon or morally acceptable in real life...this isn't real life...its just for fun. People need to chill out.
On a hopefully positive meta note, I started a sci fi story about raiders of the lost fic, pushing off from your box video, and it's what is getting me through nano this month
archiveofourown.org/works/19864642/chapters/47043619
We missed you, too! ❤️
I love this video. 💖
Can you do a video on Nygmobblepot? I love that ship and it would be awesome to hear your opinions on it
Liked 5 seconds in because I just may have not been watching for a while but I love the hair!
negativity always gets more attention, the squeaky wheel gets the grease
I think it's more than alright for people to criticise canon but I've seen too many fans harass staff of shows or creators of works over small decisions
people need to seperate fannon from cannon
(also I love your harley quinn figure on your desk)
I usually end up sitting on the very edge of a fandom because I generally like obscure stuff no one else or very few people like ._.
You look very Persephone from Hadestown (or is that just me?)
It's not just you. ;)
great job!!! I am a weirdo and I love my fandoms!!!!!!
Batman: Dark Victory book in the background👌
Can u check out the malec and shadowhunter fandom?
SG finally had enough of that loud car/motorcycle that liked to go past her window every time she live streamed and moved lol
I just wrote a fanfiction today i’m never gonna share it I was pretty proud of myself
You should be. Completing a story, no matter the length, is a great feeling. I hope you'll consider sharing in the future, but do what's best for you.
It's too bad really that I end up avoiding a lot of things I might otherwise enjoy do to the reputations of fandoms, the idea of being a part of a group known to stalk or bully people make it hard to enjoy the actual content. If that makes sense?
I wonder whether Transformers fandom ever had this drama. I'm in this fandom, with some breaks, since G1. But other then some arguments between old school fans and new fans I can't remember anything overtly toxic. No shipping wars either. Maybe I'm just good at avoiding drama.
On different subjects, will you cover Fire Emblem Three Houses and its same sex romance options drama? Because boy, this game hasn't come out yet, and shit storm already started.
Im really curious and this so random.. did you saw the tenga egg commercial before when you start saying the "different stroke for different folks"??? Lol
Poison ivy realness
What is transformative Fandom?
fanlore.org/wiki/Transformational_Fandom
You are doing villineve!!!!
I spectating fandom
Please do an arrowverse video!!!
Are you Canadian?
Fandom schisms are like the religious schisms of the olden days...
Not to be that person but FIRST COMMENT