Hahahahaha nice one bro! In this joke from you is a big and good message: the problems between our countries are made in politics, not in societies - as we can see in world's Diaspora's.
@@eternal_riftz8801 comparing euro to lira is not a wise way to determine which country is strong, because even a very stupid person can say that euro is associated to a bunch of countries not only to Greece. Anyways people who use "lmao" are not really smart enough to talk about this kind of things.
@@Bill-zp2mt :))) you are always funny as usual! Do you know the intervention of a guarantor state is not an invasion according to the international laws even Greek laws! As you know there is a decision of Athens court that admits the intervention of Turkey is not an invasion! Beside of the such factors you continue telling lies! Today is not April fools day you know! So do not try to put people in a fool stiuation! Ok! And if you really want to learn which country is the invader in cyprus you can find the name of the invader state is Greece in cyprus! Greece is the first country which established the terrorist organization EOKA! That terrorist organization killed both Greek cypriots and Turkish cypriots! But people like you knows it well but you prefer telling lies! :))) You think you are the most smart one but that is exactly false! I know you will ignore the subjects what I talked about here! But keep calm down! Before ignoring the realities I advice you to reach the speech of the president of cyprus which was done in 19 july 1974 in UN! Yes man you will find that Greece killed so many innocent people in order to violate the island and tried to establish ENOSIS as you know it! And in that speech you will learned that Greece is the invader in cyprus! Greeks are not victim! Yes man when you read the speech of Bishop Macarios you will find the unswers of such questions ok! Than stop telling lies and shut up!
@@Bill-zp2mt when someone who has no idea about the history of the region says turkey invaded cyprus- i understand they are okay if muslims are killed and victim of terror in their homes and very religiously motivated to the issue.
@@zorro-hq6qp Greece did not invade Cyprus though. In the 1970s, Cyprus made a democratic option to unify with Greece and the Turks were in the minority. Turkey did not like that and unilaterally invaded Cyprus. Only after Turkey sent troops did Greece replicate. This invasion was a breach in international law, and a breach of the Lausanne treaty. The moment Turkey invaded a third party, Greece no longer had an obligation to demilitarize the Aegean Islands. Like it or not, Northern Cyprus is recognized by one single country in the entire world while Greek Cyprus is recognized by the entire world. So rather than telling lies about what really happened, how about Turkey for once walks like it talks? Erdogan always blabs about respecting international law, but there are UN resolution that called for the Turkish army to leave Northern Cyprus and to allow the country unite back again. Based on the UN resolitions, only the 1st invasion of Cyprus was counted as somewhat legal. But that only captured 3% of the island. The second invasion, which happened after the Greek military Junta collapsed, was labeled unanimously as illegal by the UN Security Council and it is labeled internationally as an invasion (Resolution 353 & 360)
I like how you mentioned the arrangement for India and Sri Lanka and how they settle for a median. I'm from the South Indian state of Kerala and we regularly hear news of how Sri Lankan fishermen are caught by the Indian coast guard and vice versa because they might be in the wrong zone, and this just makes me think how artificial all these borders are. Here you have ancient fishing communities who are restricted by international treaties they've never seen or participated in and having to spend nights in jail for being on the wrong side of the _water_ ....
They have to be enforced because otherwise whoever has the largest fishing fleet gets all the fish. In the case of India/Sri Lanka it's a far bigger problem for Sri Lanka since India has a bigger fleet. Unfortunately before regulation became stronger, the area between Sri Lanka and India became badly overfished and now it's tough for everyone. The only way to bring fishing back is to simply end fishing for a while. =/ The biggest offender is China, which has a habit of sending its fleets across the entire planet into EEZs of countries too poor to defend them.
I am from Kerala too and I can confirm this. This back and forth has also claimed many lives and is made complicated by the fact that there are Tamils on both side of the border who at least in their perspective find themselves divided between two countries (not that it affects this particular issue that directly).
The problem With this example that he gives is that he tries to connect the two but they don't have the same circumstance.what you say is happening in Greece too but when they cross the maritine border they were inform to leave and thats that but the last decades Turkey does that intentional with fisherman so to cross the border but still the same actions. The difference with your case is that Turkey does that with warships if it was just fisherman it will still be acceptable.
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Bob Ross No it's not. It's presenting turkey's propaganda as facts without any critical thinking. Greece is not trying to limit Turkey's rights what so ever. Demilitarisation of Greek islands is a totaly differant subject and Turkey only uses it to force Greece into a weak position in order to impose its will by means of threats of invasion as they did in 1974 in the demilitarised island of Cyprus. Lots of Greek islands are not concerned by the treaty of Lausanne because they where greek before or became greek after. Kastellorizo was Italian till 1945 and nothing prevents Greece from defending it with its armed forces. The turkish claim that all the aegean islands should be demilitarised is laughable.
I have to admit this is the most unbiased video I have seen in TH-cam on the topic. Great job at showing only the facts and letting the audience to decide and not guide them to conclusions
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Yes, but the so called "Greek" map it is not a map that Greece has created or anything. it is a map made by the Geneva University for the EU in the past based on the international laws and not by Greece. Greece's point of view is that as long as we haven't signed any treatment between us about the EEZ, you don't have the right to make researches in that area where my islands are. On the other hand, the Turkish "Blue Homeland" map is an official map made by Turkey and includes also half of the Aegean Sea. Yes half of the Greek islands are included on this map. This is is the real reason why Greece is willing to spend (once again) more money for warplanes and warships than any exploration of gas may give in the future. It is the sovereignty of the Greek islands we care about and not that @!#@ gas. And this gas exploration it is just "happened" to start now, while a lot of stuff going on with Turkey's behavior lately and it's worsening relationships with USA and EU and even bringing a war close to Russia this time.
@@Panos-Veria yep this. None in greece actually cares about gas. We care about our islands, that turkey goes back and forth about how they are not truly greek. Just wrong and plain scary.
Congratulations. The first foreign youtuber who sufficiently and accurately covers the nuances of this issue. I have seen so many "educational" youtubers get it wrong but you managed to give a perfect summary of the situation. Kudos!
@SilverOrien The greece-egypt agreement is an order of magnitude more legit. However keep in mind that greece made the agreement with egypt as a reaction to the turkey-libya agreement. That means that even if turkeys agreement is pointless in theory, greece considered it a big enough threat to make a move.
@SilverOrien The agreement between Turkey and Libya was actually ratified and accepted by the UN though, which means we have legality on our side as we did the treaty before you did it with Egypt.
@@adidoki Posted on the UN board means nothing, it doesn't produce legal rights. It has to be accepted by the HoR and Lybia's HoR not only hasn't ratified it, it even pushes for a legal delimitation between Greece and Lybia. Lybians already know Turkey just wants the country's oil and military bases, Erdogan doesn't care about the people.
@@rubiskim6311 yeah true USA had done many things to cover in Pacific like they dont recognize the sea of Mexico,they are just powerful and nobody can say a word to them cuz the missile will knock their door the next day
@@sankarsah yes it is true but it wont matter. Because a Goverment is aouthortitarian it doesnt makes Azerbaijan who is unfair. Because it is their land. I would still support Azerbaijan even thought it is aouthortitarian.
Turkey claim that’s islands have no right to EEZ and expanding to 12miles is an act of war, that makes turkey so stupid and you will end up with nothing
British bases are here because Cyprus was Crown colony of the British Empire. Both greek and turkish cypriots and greek and turkish governments agreed that these bases can be there when Cyprus got it's independence in August of 16, 1960.
@Pengoto K British didn't created conflict in Hong Kong. It was China that started to bend all treaties around Hong Kong they ever made. Hong Kong would be better as part of Great Britain.
It only benefits them while Greece and Turkey dogfighting. I think Turkey and Greece should unite their strong to take out the oil together without any outside country and company. This is the only win-win situation. But it seems western countries will have the oil in mediterranean too.
@@emregol3793 lol turkey want to fight for those oils because there are not in their territory... and we had issues when we drilled our oil in north aegean a long time ago... if turkey had the oils in their territory they would already been using them and we wouldnt even care or try to do anything... thats all facts from 1970 till now..
@@nikosvougioukas8061 thats your point of view from your media. Grecee can only sell oil. You guys cant drill. You dont have the tech. You said its your oil. Somebody can easily say otherwise(cause there i no aggrement). I dont think turkey will let this oil go. Neither grecee. If it comes the war. We know who is gonna win. I wish that day will never happen. It is better that both countires come to an aggrement. Because, grecee will sell this oil almost for free, . Because of these dogfight, grecee have to buy weapons from west, turkey spents its money to militarazing. Only west will benefit here.
@@emregol3793 Though I agree and try to advocate for this, we have to remember that the west has facilitated/benefited heavily from our ongoing tensions over the past 200 years. It is a shame we are both so dependent on them that we can not put our own wellbeing as a priority
@@emregol3793 Nah. They all stand behind Greece on this one. Greece is a puppet state, they would sell their country if they could harm Turkey. Dont be dellusianal. After the Ottoman Empire, Arabs, Greeks etc. were all used by UK, France etc. They are all puppet states.
The only unbiased video on this topic out of all I have ever seen. Not only that but also with great quality. Explanations are informative, animations are really fun to watch and that intro is just amazing. Awesome work.
@@johanlassen6448 Please consider the following. Just because someone presents a situation that you don't like, it doesn't automatically make them biased. Which law does Turkey violate? Are you, by any chance, refering to the treaty which Turkey didn't sign? Here's some exposition, if you don't sign an agreement, it means you didn't agree to its terms, which means you are not legally bound by it. Even then, the same agreement says each situation should be handled specifically and a just distribution should be made. This is no agreement, this is an attempt to use "international law" to rob an enemy country of its rightful borders. Basically, it is how wars work in the democratic world of 2020's. Please be honest. Have you seen how little the area Greece's claims leave for Turkey? Imagine if that was France or Germany in Turkey's place, would you still say that country deserved that tiny excuse for a sea? Or are you picking sides because Turkey is a "barbaric enemy country" for you?
Some things are just unsenseable. A peble of an Island cannot (well it can but it is very unjustice) strip a major body of land from it’s rights to the sea of of its coastline. It just doesn’t make sense from a logical point of view. Greece should stop pushing their agenda, which is unrational and plain unjustice towards Turkey and its rights, which is that they own the eastern med just because they fortunately own a nearly uninhabited island.
@@AC-ys4vc so war is the best solution? I see that Greece agreed for eez with Italy, Egypt and decided to go to international Court for eez after a mutual agreement with Albania. there are solution and always better than war. Instead Turkey is involved in several wars. does anything sound weird? as much as Erdogan has economic problems, lives into wealth, does not care about his people, send people into jail, fight free press etc he will always present to his people imaginary "enemies". There are not enemies to Turkish people. it's 2020 and there are better solutions instead of war.
You know these problems won't be solved since we're talking about Greece and Turkey. Those 2 names doesn't fit well together. Edit: Finally the real entertainment begins *grabs popcorn*
It's sad that this is true :/. As a Turk I really hope my country to have friendly relations with Greece. On my trips to Greece each year, I learned that without all these disputes we are just friends, but the current enviroment and unresolved issues from the past always comes in between. And both our governments are eager to show each other as public enemies, it works for their advantage. But I hope in the future people and with that, governments will get trough all this conflict and go for a fresh, friendly approach to each other. We need friends, not enemies especially as neighbours. Aggressive and ultra nationalist approaches are never the solution (っ˘̩╭╮˘̩)っ.
There is a huge profits in agean sea which is not enough for one country. I'm from Turkey and its seems certain. Also Greeks tend to think that we are in problem cause Turks stoled our treasures
@@yanksavgat4295 do i always have to see this stereotype of comment which basically says "governments baaad, nations guuud" It is not about being an ultranationalist or sth. This is basically geopolitics. These two nations will never have good relations, this can be sad but this is a fact and has nothing to do with govs.
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lets be honest if theres any greeks or turks arguing in the comments, they're mostly just americans with greek or turkish ancestry. My grandmother lives in greece and she occasionally talks about her friends in turkey. But thought he disagreements are mostly among governments, if greeks or turks are given a given a question concerning something controversial that one of the governments did to the other, they would probably side with their own government just out of pride.
The problem here is that he is desperately trying to maintain an equal distance on an issue where Turkey is obviously violating international law. Some times you cant blame both sides. He says "there are two versions of the map , each of which would totally benefit either Turkey or Greece". He represents the "Greek map" like it is Greece's contrivance. No , there is a legal and compatible with the International law map , and an illegal one.
@@truthseeker4931 do you really think because of one single island, greece should have such a vast economic zone over the mediterannean? The EEZ that turkey claims as its own isnt a thing which is made up. That border has been referenced and defined multiple times in history like 1913 london agreement, 1923 lozan agreement etc. By that logic, should spain EEZ reach all the way to the morrocan coast because they have a few islands and cities there? No, it shouldnt. Morroco and spains EEZ equally distributes the sea of gibraltar while economic rights of spanish cities and little islands are limited to their territorial waters. Turkey says that it should have the EEZ that he claims because that territory is 200 nautical miles away from his coast. While also claiming that the greek kastelorizo island's economic rights should be limited to its territorial waters. Which is completley fair and making sense. Greece says it should have all the EEZ he claims over the medditranean because of a single island near the coast of turkey, far away from greece. So tell me, who is the logical one here?
6:00 reminds me of the long holliday car trips with my brother in the backseat. If he did not respect the border in the middle of the car, the war was on.
What about if your brother was a strange gay incoming from an other car? A man who get in your car by force, put out your brother and stay in for him? Would you talk with him about the car owenership?
Naah i saw a youtube video just like this one and the person who made that video was totally biased toward armenia. Also he was speaking like a total jerk yet skill share decided to support him. So that's a no to skill share and yes to brilliant . org
Only thing I disagree is where you put the agreement between Greece and Egypt to look same level with the one between turkey and Libya. The first is an absolutely legitimate, internationally recognized agreement where the world is just laughing about the second, which not only has zero value from an international law standpoint but also everybody knows that the Libyan president was forced to sign it, by Turkey.
Nice video and good effort to describe things. Obviously more complicated than they appear. We should not misunderstand some harsh comments as do not understand eachother easily the Greeks and the Turks...
A simple example we the Greeks we are unable to ''read'' comprehend the Turks as a collective consciousness.. Par example how a nation feels that they have not established one city of importance, are they happy just renaming them? How does this works for them? Do they feel like locusts or are they happy with that? So deep is the gap.
Very informative video - well presented. 8:00 "New relations between 'riparian' nations". I think you meant 'littoral' nations. Riparian = by a river Littoral = by the sea or lake
Good video, however you forgot to mention that Turkey believes that all islands are not supposed to have EEZ and therefore claims exploration in half the agean sea. You will find this information in the maps that the Turkish government has presented in EU.
So an island with people living on it, is considered rock for you? Regardless of what myself and yourself say, there are laws. Greece simply say let's go to Hague to solve our issues (as so many countries did before) but Turkey doesn't want that, guess why...
@@savvas.k why dont u check aggrement between France and england about islands between? Also frace is your big supporter. Look how they decided there and now
@Bruce Lee literally the UNCLOS (meaning the international law) says that inhabited islands with economic life have the right to EEZ. This is what all countries adhere to. Besides Turkey.
@@vassilisxerikos3908 if you really think that turkey would succumb to beeing landlocked over an agreement that she didn't sign, you are delisional. Even a small rock can be fitted into description of an island which has economic activities, however and island which has a population whole year round and can sustain itself is very debatable. I am all for solutions, we could search and drill together as neighbors but our respective governments have other plans.
@@denizkizilates you are not landlocked. You will have the amount of territorial waters and EEZ that international law provisions for your country. No more. Now Greece has been extremely patient and generous with this behavior, and tries to genuinely sway turkey towards international law. But If you keep up this attitude and make the mistake of trying to conquer what is not yours, be prepared to lose your airforce. In three days.
3:51 bruh the same agreement also binds Turkey to not militarise Thrace and the Straits. And also to give autonomy to Imbros and Tenedos. And also to retain a Greek community of 150.000 in Istanbul, which it taxed and killed with racist pogroms.
@Islamist Crusader Yes the Montreau Convention allows both countries to remilitarize in case of threat. But this was established AFTER Turkey had violated the agreement and remilitarized the straights. Anyway, today there is theoretically no demilitarized zone. The Treaty of Lausanne made both demilitarized, the Montreau Convention made both remilitarized
@Islamist Crusader No no, the Allied occupation of the city stopped with the Treaty of Lausanne. As per the treaty, Turkey was also given sovereignty over the Greek autonomous islands of Imbros and Tenedos, on the promise that they would be forever autonomous Greek with Greek mayors and official language being Greek. This was done so Turkey could better protect the Straights. But in 1928 this was unilaterally abolished and they were made prisoner colonies.
@Islamist Crusader The International Straights Commission was already abolished in 1923, just Turkey had to not militarize the Straights by the Treaty of Lausanne. Montreau essentially defuncted that clause
The 2 versions you are talking about at 6:13 are basically the legitimate version based on international treaties and the version of "oh shit nice gas you have there". The fact that the international one is benefiting Greece is irrelevant on the subject. It is even the most neutral option. All this could have been avoided if Turkish government was approachable instead of larping as the stronk ottoman empire making it universally hated in the region. Sad
Well the thing is, There are two another treaties between Turkey and Greece. First is Treaty of Lousiene(1923) and second is Treaty of Paris(1947). Both treaties says that Islands that close to Turkish coast can not be militirize and Islands in Aegean Sea must have only 3 nmiles. Now every island in Aegean Sea is militirazed(which is not okay for Turkey but Turkey wanted to be in EU and he said nothing.) and right now Greece's island has 6 nmiles.(Which is okay for Turkey) I write this because you showed me that you only know about current government. But this case is 73 years old and Law of the Sea ignited it again. The reason why Turkey did not sign International Law of the Sea was.... it really screws up Turkey . Island so close tho coast line usally dont get anything. For example islands that belongs to UK but too close to France coast line have no right. Same goes for Spanish islands that too close to Morocco. And las thing is, this is not a Erdoğan thing. This is a Turkey thing.A leftist president named Bülent Ecevit was the one who "LIBERATED" or "invaded" Cyprus. Edit: In 2004 Turkey(erdoğan) let Cyprus to join EU(because cyprus does not have territorial integrity and a EU candidate must not have a territorial dispute). He hoped that Greece and Cyprus would help Turkey to join EU. İn 2008 there was a plan named Annan. This plan was the best solution for Cyprus(Very benefical for Greece) and both Turkish side and Greek side went to referendum. Turks voted %65 for yes but Greeks voted %75 for no. So who is larped first ?
@@mustafaberkaysuer2964 Greece militirised all the islands because Turkey invaded Cyprus and if i remember correctly one of the treaty you mentiond says that greece can militirise all the islands if in self defence
@@babisgreece3350 Yes, I know that Greece militirazed all island after Cyprus but was Cyprus Greece ? Does Turkey attacked Greece ? Answer is YES(Because at that time mlitary cunta has enacted EONASIS) and all started because of this(first military operation was justified but second is a diffrent story). I know that why Greece did militirise and self defence is everyone natural right and Turkey was very silent abut this. Also thanks to Turkey's approve to letting Cyprus to EU. Greece and Turkey had not a single issue for very long time.
@@_robustus_ Caspian Report has a slight bias towards the Turkish side, given the fact that the commentator is an Azeri. I saw that video and I got that bias vibe. It also portrayed Greece as some sort of villain for making a deal with Egypt, while ignoring that Turkey made a deal with the Libyan GNA first, despite the fact that the Libyan GNA does not control the eastern part of the country.
The Pale God Nevertheless it's not objective. You can't pretend in the same video that Greece is just applying the Law of Sea and that Greece is trying to limit Turkey's rights. Greece did not put its islands there to limit Turkey's EEZ what so ever. Greece defined it's EEZ according to the rules of the law of sea, respecting what the said law gives to Turkey. On the other hand, the EEZ claimed by Turkey is not respecting Greece's rights according to the law of sea and tries to force Greece into submission by threats of war.
toprowsky123 Turkey recognised it de facto by signing a treaty with Bulgaria and another one with Libya defining it's own EEZ. You can't have you cake and it it. Either Turkey wants an EEZ and aknowledges the UN treaty defining what an EEZ is, or Turkey remains in the revious legal order whith no EEZ what so ever. Hypocrisy is not allowed in legal matters. Greece on the other had is part of the UN treaty and is just applying it. Turkey is the one threatenig of war here. Greece is legalist. You see Greece is not taking anything from Turkey but from the international waters. International waters, as the name suggests are not the proprety of Turkey. Therefore Greece is not require to ask Turkey?s opinion on that matter. Your status quo bullshit is fantasy. The UN provided a way to resolve differants resulting from the law of sea in court. Just behave like decent human beings and ask the court to set the limits of you EEZ.
toprowsky123 those are Bullshit Treaties anyway. You can't deal with Libya about Greek waters because Libya has no sovereignty over Greek waters. It's absurd and will only lead to war. Turkey is just creating more unstability with stupid moves all over the region. Do you understand that if Turkey does not sign the Montego Bay treaty Turkey has no right to an EEZ what so ever. Singing treaties will fallen states is not a solution. Threatening an EU membre is not a good idea. Art. 42 of the treaty of the EU says that in case one state member is invaded, all other state members shall provide help by all means. This means Turkey, by invading Greek waters, exposes itself to a war with 29 advanced countries. And the definition of 'invasion' does not depend on Turkish bullshit teaties with bullshit goverments of failed countries. Sounds quite stupid if you ask me.
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it is not objective , he is talking about a dispute , there is no dispute , the turks are threatening to attack Greece if they don't surrender their EEZ . If someone comes into your home at gun point saying "your money or your life" it is a robbery and threat to kill , not a dispute
@Ahmet Özkan Yeah, that's why the Ottomans tried so hard (and succeeded eventually) to mix with local Greek, Armenian, Bulgarian, Albanian and Serbian population in order to form the so called "Turkish" nation.. Please show more respect to the land and its original people. Even Mehmed the Conqueror did that back in the time !
@Ahmet Özkan Threatening people with death, demolishing their villages if they didn't convert to Islam, taking their children away by force from all different ethnic groups (not just the Greeks) is your idea of "just couldn't avoid it" ?? Also, I'm only talking here about the Balkans because you mentioned something about "Balkan peasants".. If we were to consider Anatolia, its people were either assimilated by the Greeks or the Persians some thousands years ago and eventually get to become Roman citizens as everyone else. So I don't see what you don't understand about originality here ?
@Ahmet Özkan But everyone in the Ottoman empire was an Ottoman citizen, including the Greeks at the time - that's not the point here. What you need to be careful about is what kind of characterization you use for those people that were indigenous to the land for thousands of years, before the progressive establishment of Turkic tribes in Anatolia. Eastern Rome that your people so much wanted to resemble and conquer was comprised of all those "peasants" that eventually became unified under the same hellenistic culture. Who told you that I'm talking only about the Janissaries here ? Make a quick history check about Turkish nation's genetic background and then we can have a conversation. Lastly, of course everyone speaks their language and practices their religion !! We've fought hard to preserve that right !
Excellent and unbiased account of the issues involved. There are too few of these on the internet today. I do wish you would have mentioned the Blue Homeland debate. Now there’s an issue that can’t be resolved... it seems to be an unattainable dream. Sorry, but the Ottoman Empire is gone. And if they (the islands) truly belonged to Turkey, after a relatively brief two hundred to four hundred years, why didn’t Ataturk just keep on going after he destroyed Smyrna? Those islands, geographically, politically, and demographically are Greek and have been for thousands and thousands of years.
He couldnt, the Turkish navy had lost against the Greek navy during that war and the balkan wars before it. That is how Greece got a lot of the islands
You guys need to refresh your history knowledge. Those twelve islands - which are given to Italians after 1911-1912 Italian - Turkish war. Ottomans lost this war because the 1st Balkan War started. Whatever, Ottomans and Italians signed and agreement. Which Italians call Trattato di Losanna and Turks call it Ouchy in order to avoid confusion with Lousanne Treaty. According to this agreement, Italy accepted to give those Islands back to the Ottomans. But they never did that. After losing WW2, Italy gave those islands to the greece in 1947. So those Islands become greek 9 years after death of Atatürk. Its because you lived there for a long time doesnt make it yours. I am sorry, Byzantine Empire is gone as well. The borders of the countries are being determined by the agreements. So yeah, they are yours... For now :) :)
@@cashbg3535 Well, if the Greeks having them for 2,000 plus years doesn’t count, then the Ottoman’s having them for about 300 years, and the Turkish Republic owning them for ZERO years mustn’t count either; because they now belong to the modern Hellenic Republic. Do you really think Turkey is going to go to war for those islands? Big mistake even for someone as diluded as Erdogan and his barking dog of a foreign minister.
Turkey has 12 miles territorial waters at the black sea, they interpret International law as it suits them. This is not a disputé about eez but for satelliting Greece. Greece wants to dissolve this dispute because is the part who ll gain the most out of a deal about eez, even if they sacrifice a big part of their eez to turkey
Turkey made a separate deal with USSR for Black Sea. After the fall of USSR deal renewed with successor states of USSR bordering Black Sea. That has completely different situation.
@@hasanrize Turkey respects international law for 12nm in the Black sea cause its beneficial to them and doesn't respect it in the Aegean and East Med cause its not. Of course its different, the civilized people call it hypocrisy.
@@rouxlasgr no, they agreed on 12 miles zone before it was a thing in law. The states of the black sea agreed on that by themselfes. Also international law says that you can't expand your waters if it would overlap with the waters of other states. I read a german article on international law in the Turkey-Greece dispute. It clearly prooved that Greece has maximalist claims and resembles the politics of China in the Chinese Sea
@@user-qi4us5zi7f The overlapping area between Greece and Turkey will be small and insignificant and can make a treaty for those parts but Turkey disputes the 12 NM miles even for all the islands in the Aegean and for the areas without any overlap. This is against the international law which now exists and Turkey doesn't sign just because they don't like it even if most other countries in the area have signed. Also the treaty for the Black Sea after the collapse of the USSR was signed way after the international law for the EEZ was implemented (The international law was implemented in 1982 and the first treaty between Turkey and USSR was signed in 1986 and after the collapse of the USSR the new treaty was signed in the 90's) and the treaty was based on this law, so no it was not a 'special case' Turkey just doesn't accept any international law that they don't like.
@Pengoto K fyi jurisprudence is not binding for the international courtbregarding the law of the sea, moreover the country that is afraid me most to appeal to the court is turkey, because the coast line in the Aegean sea is 80% Greece 20% turkey so the decision will be proportional regarding the eez but the trap for turkey is in castelorizo and the small islands near the turkish coasts, if the court accept the greek position that those islands are part of the dodecanese island complex, which historically is true because the owner of dodecanese had always those small Isles, then turkey is fucked and the middle line will be set in front of them and turkey will be trapped with no eez
Check also an agreement made by Canada and France over an island next to the mainland of Canada belongs to France.. thousands of miles away of France!You see,Hague recognised exclusive economic zone to this tiny island ,so far from France.Turkey would never mention this case as an example..this decision is not on her favour but is according international law.
@Chris Serafim it is open wide atlantic ocean. i do not see huge gains compared to canada's EEZ. they just opened a small corridor to international waters. french gained 18% of the territory that french had initially claimed.(wikipedia). greeks claim half of the east mediterranean. no water for turkish side. how is that fair.
@@leosword7142 Completely wrong as UNCLOS wasn't the only UN sea law convention and there were like half of a dozen conventions before that!! So in case of Turkey, Israel or US etc not signing UNCLOS previous UN sea law convention is binding for those countries and according to that convention both Turkey and Greece signed Turkey can declare 200 nmiles EEZ while literally ignoring islands as that convention is giving mainland more weight compared to islands. So Turkey's claims aren't illegal at all rather they are the legal claims in current situation especially if we consider how Greece is trying to use Meis island to completely butcher Turkish EEZ (Why claimed Greek EEZ has W shape around Turkey) while it is only 1.9 km away from Turkey and 550 km away from Athens and there are only 300 people living on it!! It is so extremely small a magnifying glass is needed to see it even then it could steal the rights of 80 million people only according to Greece ofc...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 you fail to understand that the Greek islands is Greece. Not just Athens. That is if an island is 2km away from Turkey its Greece that is 2km away from Turkey. ANKARA is a further 900km? away from the greek islands.
One of the very few videos that accurately describes the problem, while maintaining equality for both sides and also presenting facts the way they are. It doesn't immediately blame one side over the other but it does talk about international legitimacy of each side's claims. Perfectly executed. Well done.
So it does not accurately describe the problem then, since the entire affair is the fault of Turkey. It is not Greece that has a standing casus belli on Turkey in the event of Turkey claiming its international rights after all. The fact is that Greece is operating under the limits of international law, while Turkey is blatantly ignoring it and even denying islands like Crete and Rhodes territorial waters while attempting to enforce this with constant threats of war. Turkey is a bully.
regarding demilitarization of Greek Islands, dodecanese are not covered by the Lausanne treaty but from Paris treaty on which Turkey did not participate. According to international law a country that does not participate to a treaty cannot protest for breach of terms. Futhermore according to article 51 of UN a country has the right to self defense (above all treaties), and this article comes in force from the moment Turkey violates Greek EEZ as defined by UN (you mention this on your Video) plus the Mavi Vatan plan that turkey officially presents. It also comes in force from the Casus Beli that turkish government has declared if Greece expands waters to 12 nm as is its legal right. Regarding Turkish/Libya agreement is not recognised by any international authority because is a deal between a country (Turkey) and a ...person ( Saratz). This deal has never passed for voting from the Libyan parliament and therefore is illegal and does not represent or bind Libya, unlike the Greek/ Egypt agreement that has been approved from noth parliaments. In general is a good video, and I hope that my comments gave you food for thought to improve it. Political correctness and equal distances is not always "correct"...
Hey Alexander listen to me. Soon or later we will reclaim whats ours. Enjoy while you can those islands belongs to us. İt wouldnt happen soon but maybe my son or his grandson will raise turkish flag there. We will finish what you ve started in anatolia in 1920
@@faithismyskyfall Your comment is provocative and has no basis whatsoever. I don't see your name in any of the islands. Fix your authoritarian political status, your depressing economy and the lives of the Turkish people that are suffering from poverty and bad living conditions and then re-think of destroying other people's lives and uncritically stating "what is yours" here and there. P.s If you believe you can just walk in undisturbed and get "what is yours" not only in Greek but also European borders, you should re-check your info.
This is the best so far video explaining the latest Greco-Turkish crisis. Well done. I have only one notice on a matter that is not explicitly referred. Under UNCLOS passing of under-see pipes or cables through EEZ of other countries does not need the permission of these countries.
In order to make this video more potent in information regarding the matter , i believe that foreign policy of both countries should be included as well as current political systems. Additionally , a link of the treaty should be included. For instance the militarisation of Greek islands suggest an agressive policy on the Greek side and although you do say about the greek claim of the need in such an act,i again believe that you could include some incidents over the years, if not possible in the video,then again in the description. Generally i believe informing videos as such should move the viewer's interest in order to investigate the matter more and coclude a personal opinion. Of course a very informing video and great work, maybe make a second video adding more information on the matter .
Philippines and Indonesia over Celebes Sea is very good story because in order not to sent to international court, in 1994 they decided to negotiate between two countries to drawn the borders and it was ended in 2014 when both countries agreed to sign the historical maritime deal of Celebes Sea which is praised the international community and the UN and it was remained peaceful on sea borders because Philippines and Indonesia are good friends and love each other 🇵🇭❤️🇮🇩
the example (1:59) not give the full picture of the situation, because sri lanka is a island state but greece is mainland country. that changes of the exclusive economic zones (EEZ). if a mainland country have an island near another country, that island just have territorials waters, for example england have 4 island (Alderney, guernsey, sark and jersey) close to france in the channel but if you look EEZ of the countries you going to see islands does not impact on the EEZ but they keep their own territorial waters. this is all the situation, you can't compare with sri lanka and greece because sri lanka is the country just have island soil.
Apparently this video has failed to include an important key element. The republic of Cyprus has already made legitimate agreements with 3 Middle Eastern states over the EEZ borders: with Egypt (2003) Israel (2010) and Lebanon (2007). Therefore the southern part of the country 's EEZ has already been agreed. I do not see it in the video though...
The republic of Cyprus is a kind of temporary country. Half of the island belongs to Turks. Also Cyprus is famous with "laundering of illicit money" especially Russian money. Not to mention "selling EU passport to criminals for money" issues. So Nobody cares "The republic of Cyprus" agreements because It is a criminal, temporary and abstract country.
The Lausanne treaty mentioned the protection of Christian Greeks of Instabul , Imbros and Tenedos , it mentioned the demilitarization of Eastern Thrace and the straits (even though it was agreed upon that this should be reversed , but still) . Lausanne treaty has long been violated so many times by Turkey , with its pogroms and forced expulsions (events of 6th September 1955) for instance , that it's considered a joke nowadays , with Turkey threatening war , even as the treaty clearly hints at eternal peace .
Demilitirarization of straits stopped with later montreux treaty just accept it greece wants to have everything for itself and cries when that doesnt happen
@John DESMOND then Turkey has to leave many things I dont even have to tell ,leave cyprus,recognize things that are recognized by un and others such as Armenian genocide,and many other things and at the end of the day Turkey will lose more than greece ,it is the same with china and Philippines,this game is played by strong countries like Turkey and china , Turkey didn't sigh right of the seas etc,greeks lived there for thousands of years and new nation is going to tell them dont do military exercises and this is our water? Sorry to to tell you brother but when greeks had these islands,turks were in deep asia(I'm not being racist I'm just telling facts about this with asia dont get me wrong brother) In this world nobody includes history,for example this war with karabah or something I cant spell it ,historically belongs to armenia as armenias lived there before Azerbaijan came,plus that stalin gave this land to Azerbaijan as a gift. Both sides are right and wrong but Turkey is a little bit more wrong.
Turkey claims a countries border is from the mainland not from the islands also greece supporter france did the same thing when it came to their land. the two british islands Jersey and Guernsey are next to france like 15km france went to court and In the decision of the International Arbitration Board, it was stated that it could take continental shelf on islands closer to the French coast than England. it is basically the same case and it shows that turkey is right upon this subject. At that time, France defending their rights, but when it comes to Turkey, they choose to follow a different attitude.
One wants to take the ideological high ground and think that they should solve it using dialogue and support Greece in this case. Unfortunately, this is one of those edge cases where the law of the seas creates a map that may be from a Turkish perspective is unfair(just like how the US didn’t sign UNCLOS, because to them it’s unfair or restricts them). I, personally, do not see this situation being resolved without a Greek compromise, which again would be completely unfair to them. Although, both sides are clinging to claims to have the bigger portion of the pie. In negotiations, I hope they can both leave some part of that to reach a settlement. Let's see how things roll out. I am a Bangladeshi btw, and our country solved our maritime border disputes with Myanmar and India in international court. This seems not to be open to Turkey, it seems.
Nafisi Zaki if you went to the international court why can't Turkey. A reasonable country does. Turkey is doing "so called oil search" in disputed waters. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU.
@@leosword7142 because Turkey knows they will lose in International Court. This scenario between Turkey and Greece is a very edge case because of the numerous small Greek islands with or without people. This needs to ve solved between them by negotiations.
@@thesummergamer7245 i didn't exactly say that. What I meant was, this being an edge case, Turkey will not agree to UNCLOS or international court's rulling. Just like USA didn’t sign UNCLOS as they thought it was unfair to them. And from my inexperienced eye I can see that Greece having so much island means that it would have an upper edge over Turkey, no matter how. So, my opinion is that, the only way to solve this is through negotiations between Greece and Turkey, where both sides would need to give some reasonable concessions to the other side. If you think Greece should get what it deserves, that ain't happening, nor is Turkey going to get its way, so this whole area would remain an underutilised economic region for both. This was my opinion. However, I am just a rando in the internet who saw how the Bangladesh, Myanmar, India issue was solved through dialogue and projecting my bias over the issue over the same Greece-Turkey issue. You may reject my opinion if you find it unacceptable.
06:40 your greece and egypt agreement map is wrong, because it is only between egypt mainland and greek's island not mainland. The two other countries made an agreement between their mainlands which is accepted by UN and became legit.
@Kostas T Greece is not an island nation and agreements signed by Greece does not endorse any regulation unless signed by Turks as well, Greek government is after maximalist approach before speaking about being peacefulness, Greek government did support and protected PKK terrorists and leadership before speaking about Turkish incursions in other lands. Greek government is arranging Egypt, Israel for years to leave Turkey in the corner before all this begun. Greek government is FAR from being fairness as they use EU as shield to dream even more about Hellenic dreams. At least we know what Erdoğan is from day one, however we also know that EU and Greeks were VERY supportive of him till these days, so happy reapings for what you sow! We are not stupid, we are helpless as we are the 49% percent in the votings for decades, thanks to extinction of leftist ideology and the reduction of Turkish General Staff by rightist support that US and Saudis gave for years, so all those radicals you see in the news were paid long ago, not by us
It's turkey who is the instigator and tries to steal the Aegean energy deposits which doesn't belong to them. It's turkey who threatens Greece with war not to extent its legal territorial waters zones. Because they know they will loose in a court of law.The reason why they refuse to sign the international standards sea of law.
The “equal distance” between the claims of the two countries, which is practiced in this video, is a little problematic since it shows equal understanding to the claims of Greece and Cyprus that are based in the international law described at the beginning of the video and the claims of Turkey that are not.
the international maritime laws have a general solution but the reality (oceanography) is much more complicated. that's why there is a lot of disputes either solved or ongoing. the current laws might put one side at a disadvantage. since fairness must be the sole purpose of the laws, they need to be updated when faced with a complex case. so should the small islands (which are the natural extensions of the Anatolian peninsula) have a greater eez than the mainland which has a much longer costline? does the entire area belong to Greece or Turkey? well I'm not sure cuz I'm not an expert and I think you are not too. so lets not try to legitimise one argument over another. anyways I hope a fairer solution will be agreed on by both sides and this will be sorted out peacefully. I wanna see the both sides happy at the end of the day. all the best. edit: grammar
@@enessahin4775 thank you! Great reply! I agree with the spirit of the answer but… According to the current Turkish claims, all the island don’t have any influence in the Exclusive Economic Zones. This is not just a local dispute, it is a complete disagreement with the international rules. If this was the case, GB, Iceland, most of Denmark, Ireland, just to name a few European countries, wouldn’t have an exclusive zone at all. After many years of negotiations the two countries had almost come to an agreement about 15 years ago. Unfortunately, the incompetence of the Greek prime minister at the time (karamanlis) that didn’t want to take the political cost of this decisions and possibly other factors didn’t allow it to happen. That agreement was respecting the principles of the maritime law and was implementing more “creative” solutions when a small island close to Turkish coastline was involved. Maybe one day in the future the two countries will be ready for such a solution. Thank you again Enes for your reply. PS: We are not experts but still we can disagree and argue according to our best understanding 🤷🏻♂
@@alexandros1973 thanks for your understanding! i also like your thoughts Alexandros. well i personally believe the agreement will offer a solution based on the idea that the islands have some eez but not as much as the Greek mainland would. just a theory. but the other problem in Cyprus is not easy one to solve and goes beyond the maritime rules as there ve been long-standing political problems. the Greek side is currently benefiting from being internationally recognised n making agreements with other international oil companies n the Turkish side is conducting its own exploration activities which i believe the both are not the right thing to do at this stage. the Greek n Turkish sides should stop ignoring each other n immediately solve the political problems first before taking actions in the sea. soo lets see what the time will tell us. hope we both will be there with the competent governments. anyways thanks again appreciate it👍
The Treaty of Lausanne of 1923 was completely cancelled and rewritten in the treaty of Montreux about the straits in 1936. Turks SIGNED this new treaty and in there it is written that Greece CAN MILITARISE Lemnos and Samothraki . There is also a letter sent to Greek prime minister of the time by Turkish government that says : "The provisions pertaining to the islands of Limnos and Samothrace, which belong to our neighbor and friendly country Greece and were demilitarized in application of the 1923 Lausanne Treaty, were also abolished by the new Montreux Treaty, which gives us great pleasure" Rustu Aras.. So Greece have military since then
@@tolgaduran7030 the relations would never be friendly as long as dictator Erdogan and his gang threaten Greece and the whole planet. He has a very big mouth disrespecting many people that are not playing. I hope you send them home soon because i don't see a good future for Turkish people wirth all these expansion dreams
@@tolgaduran7030 Let's hope the next days with your navy in the center of the Greek Aegean sea we don't see any friendly shipwreck...It's not only USA my man it's over 10 countries against you at this moment and at least 4-5 of them can seriously make you regret it of being "active"
@@tolgaduran7030 First of all Greeks lived in both sides of the Aegean for 5000 years you occupied-conquer-stole this land from the Greeks 500 years ago. Second of all there are 3000 Greek islands in the Aegean sea and Turkey have like 2 small ones imbros and Tenedos(also Greek and stolen) and maybe 10-20 islets close to Turkish coastline. Don't be shocked but in the rest of the world islands have rights like the mainland with 12 miles EEZ and you can't bypass another country island and claim the waters behind it.... that is total stupidity and it will never happen stop dreaming. The Turkish claims that islands don't have EEZ is just total nationalistic bullshit.Third and final you have also 12 miles of EEZ and if the territories clush each other they cut in half that simple there is no bypassing the islands bullshit we hear from turkish politicians there is no such thing this will never happen with Greece there would be a war
@@kimonasv we surrounded greece from albania and macedonia. We will also come from the Aegean Sea, Western Thrace and Edirne. Raise your hands. We are coming.🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ercanmeti you did what ? hahaha that was a funny statement. Albanians and Scopjians can't even afford an army what are you talking about..Everything in Scopje is owned by Greeks.Electricity banks super markets fuel and beside that both Albania and Scopje hates you more than Greeks.Bulgarians also hate you how you gonna get there with your RC windplanes? Turkey will get hit very very hard if you try stupid things and probably lose grounds again and get economic sanctions for life.we have by far superior airforce and navy and also there is France Usa Egypt and Israel defence agreements. We are waiting for you and we never surrender
@@Wok_Agenda i dont think you are as bad as us. at least you have some amount of democracy (thankfully). your people are happy and your press is free, you can act free (i saw serious left wing movements in thessaloniki)
@@tunauslu2426 I can't say the press is free, this new government gave TV licenses for free and also gave away 40 million euros to all big stations, the news is just stupid propaganda I mean REALLY stupid
Aaaah yes... In Spain we have a similar problem with Morocco, which is basically unilaterally stealing maritime territory with valuable resources in the economic zone of the Canary Islands, while our government does ... nothing.
Israel Greece Cyprus & Egypt plus Italy,France & PA (who are also members of the EastMed Gas Forum) are an example of how resources are a factor uniting people to cooperate on the contrary to Turkish war mongering games played in the East Med.
The EEZ claimed by Greece is simply funny, unrealistic and unfair. Just by owning an island which you cannot even see in a map you cannot own a eez like that there are a lot of examples about it chech out gibraltar or french-british eez. When you insist on this claims it makes you the warmongering side. Also when you have more countries in your side that doesn't make you rightful too. Because almost all the countries on your side have profit to be on your side. Eu seeks for an alternative to russian gas and they want to bypass any countries other than eu countires. So this areas are rightfully Turkish and you have to sit down stop being the little cringe kid of eu. All you do is owning more money to Germany :D
@HDplay yo chill bro Turkish economy is currently bad but not as bad as you guys think. Personally my family has a decent amount of money and even my sister is spending nearly 4k euros a month single handedly in Amsterdam which she is studying at. So trying to hit me with money is not a good idea. And about international laws as i mentioned before you should check Gibraltar or French-British or Spain-Morocco EEZs to be talking about international laws. You don't own that type of EEZ right it is clear. Just stop being toxic to Eu and world will be a better place. Also i cannot blame you about insisting that much because Greece is a country that produces and exports nothing technologic and currently in a big amount of debts and you must find a shit to make money and live. Surely Greek economy would be one of the worst in the world unless they were an eu member so stop being that cringe and sit on your asses. Your country even owns its freedom to Russians :)
This is the most unbiased information on this topic between the conflict of two nations. I would really rely on whatever neo says. Edit: except when it comes to my country ofcourse.
No word about the "Casus Belli" of Turkey against Greece! No word about the implementation of The Law of the Sea! Only the demilitarized status of the Greek Islands! Very fair approach!
A couple of things you skiped.The Turkish Libya deal has been rejected by Libyan parliament , it is not law. In Libya. Greek Egyptian deal has been retified by both parliaments & has been submitted to UN. Turkey invaded & occupied 40 % of Cyprus in 1974, this is why the Northern part of Cyprus has NOT been recognized by any other country except Turkey. There are a handful of counties that have NOT signed UN law of the sea, Turkey being one of these. So therefore Turkey is making up its own rules of the sea clashing with Greece who is following UN law of the sea.. this is the truth....
ingilizce konuşmaya gerek bile yok. çünkü içemiz de o kadar çok hain var ki. bütün dünya üzerime gelse korkmam fakat kardeş gözüyle baktığım birisi çelme takmaya çalışırsa işte o ihanetten korkarım. ne çektiyse millet içinde ona ihanet edenlerden çekti.
The Greek - Egypt agreement is based on the international law. On the contrary the Turkish-lybian agreement was not. The above mentioned comment was made, among others, by the EU and USA. So, authenticity and law basis of Greek argument should be underlined overpassing the turkish aggrement Fantastic intro btw.
@@MrYalcincavdar Libya is in civil war, divided and the agreement was against the Sea Law. So, it is not so authentic. Only two countries in the planet do not recognize the Sea Law. Turkey and China. This fact means a lot, don't you think??
@@mikewillis6033 The below is copy-paste from a U.S. Department of State document of 1971. "The Government of Turkey, on May 15, 1964, promulgated Law No. 476 concerning the territorial waters of the state. Article 4 provides for the construction of straight baselines where the national coast is indented or is bordered by islands. The text of the law, which also defines the limits of the territorial sea as 6 nautical miles in the Aegean and Mediterranean seas and 12 nautical miles in the Black Sea" So Turkey proclaimed the 12nm in Black Seas as territorial sea and not as simple EEZ, following the UNCLOS. Which pretty much display the hypocrisy of Turkey on this subject in the Mediterranean. In case someone is confused on EEZ vs territorial sea: "the jurisdiction of the coastal state within the EEZ only pertains to natural resources (fish, offshore oil, and gas), while the coastal state has full jurisdiction within its territorial sea."
@@archaeaoris900 according to unclos eez s of both countries overlapping, this case needs to be resolved at international courts like nicaragua-columbia case, mutual aggreements, by war or remain unresolved.
@@mikewillis6033 1) You agree that the map is wrong, right? Because this was your initial comment. 2) Columbia had to provide evidence to the court that fishing activities took place continuously over many decades or centuries, in what is supposed to be Nicaraguan EEZ in order for its islands to get their own EEZ inside the Nicaraguan EEZ (west of the island). Greek islanders have been using the sea around the Greek islands from the beginning of time. And even after the court's decision, the issue is still open, since Columbia doesn't recognise the court ruling. 3) On the places that overlap (between the Greek islands and Turkey's shore), the general rule is that the exact middle should taken as the edge between them. The problem is that Turkey doesn't recognise the Greek islands at all, so it doesn't let Greece has EEZ and territorial sea, even between the Greek mainland and the Greek islands. 4) As long as Turkey doesn't recognise the Greek islands, making a mutual agreement very difficult, there are only the 3 possibilities that you said: i) ICJ (which still will not really solve anything, since it can't really make the parties follow its rule) ii) war iii) unresolved
Thank you for summarizing this issue with no biases. It has gotten increasingly difficult to differentiate what is fact and what is opinion in this matter. I am Greek and all I hear from our media is "Turkey is undermining our rights to these regions and threatening war." rather than we are both trying to politically screw over the other to get access to oil and gas.
There was clear bias in the video. Presenting the Turkish-Libyan agreement as having the same legitimacy as the Greek-Egyptian one is biased. The Greek-Egyptian one is firmly rooted in international law and at all times respects the equidistant line. The Turkish-libyan one practically ignores the existence of Greece and Egypt. Additionally, the Greeks are not attempting to enforce their claims by threats of violence. The Turks however are, which is in violation of the UN Charter. Because Turkey knows its wrong.
Is it just me or does the Turkish claims for the sea look a little far fetched? I understand that they don’t seem to get a lot of the Aegean sea as a result of the Greek and Cypriot islands but you cant have your own exclusive economic zone stretching hundreds of km from your shore while limiting Greece’s area to a few km off of Crete and Rhodes…
@@myakhilabilepogba9959 yeah actually half of what is now considered turkey was once greece,so it makes sense that islands near turkey are inhabited by greeks and belong to greece
@@myakhilabilepogba9959 Im not sure I understand. Were these islands inhabited mostly by Greeks throughout history or was there ever a point in time where these islands were inhabited more by Turks then Greeks? The channel islands are closer to France but they are British, by your logic does this mean they should be French?
The only problem we have with Greece is our radio signals mix up occasionally and we are left with listening each other’s music for hours. 😅
I am greek and my problem with the Turks is that my wife watches your Turkish series and never lets me watch football 😤
@@pelekson haha loved this!
relatable, i live in crete and once i went to paliochora which on the south part and i could listen to libyan and egyptian radio
So true! Especially close to the coast, like in Çeşme.
Hahahahaha nice one bro! In this joke from you is a big and good message: the problems between our countries are made in politics, not in societies - as we can see in world's Diaspora's.
Alternative title: The Byzantine Empire vs. The Ottoman Empire 2: Electric Boogaloo
Greece is a failed state
@@justabeardedguythatisahero9848 So is Turkey
@@eternal_riftz8801 dont think so
@@techninja1067 it is with erdogan and the lira is trash compared to the euro lmao
@@eternal_riftz8801 comparing euro to lira is not a wise way to determine which country is strong, because even a very stupid person can say that euro is associated to a bunch of countries not only to Greece.
Anyways people who use "lmao" are not really smart enough to talk about this kind of things.
This is very nicely and fairly presented in my opinion. The animations and everything also looks incredible. Great video.
@@Bill-zp2mt :))) you are always funny as usual! Do you know the intervention of a guarantor state is not an invasion according to the international laws even Greek laws! As you know there is a decision of Athens court that admits the intervention of Turkey is not an invasion! Beside of the such factors you continue telling lies! Today is not April fools day you know! So do not try to put people in a fool stiuation! Ok! And if you really want to learn which country is the invader in cyprus you can find the name of the invader state is Greece in cyprus! Greece is the first country which established the terrorist organization EOKA! That terrorist organization killed both Greek cypriots and Turkish cypriots! But people like you knows it well but you prefer telling lies! :))) You think you are the most smart one but that is exactly false! I know you will ignore the subjects what I talked about here! But keep calm down! Before ignoring the realities I advice you to reach the speech of the president of cyprus which was done in 19 july 1974 in UN! Yes man you will find that Greece killed so many innocent people in order to violate the island and tried to establish ENOSIS as you know it! And in that speech you will learned that Greece is the invader in cyprus! Greeks are not victim! Yes man when you read the speech of Bishop Macarios you will find the unswers of such questions ok! Than stop telling lies and shut up!
@@Bill-zp2mt when someone who has no idea about the history of the region says turkey invaded cyprus- i understand they are okay if muslims are killed and victim of terror in their homes and very religiously motivated to the issue.
@@Bill-zp2mt maybe you should study your own history mate
He isn’t saying the situation is fair @bill he’s saying how he represented the argument without bias is fair.
@@zorro-hq6qp Greece did not invade Cyprus though. In the 1970s, Cyprus made a democratic option to unify with Greece and the Turks were in the minority. Turkey did not like that and unilaterally invaded Cyprus. Only after Turkey sent troops did Greece replicate.
This invasion was a breach in international law, and a breach of the Lausanne treaty. The moment Turkey invaded a third party, Greece no longer had an obligation to demilitarize the Aegean Islands. Like it or not, Northern Cyprus is recognized by one single country in the entire world while Greek Cyprus is recognized by the entire world. So rather than telling lies about what really happened, how about Turkey for once walks like it talks? Erdogan always blabs about respecting international law, but there are UN resolution that called for the Turkish army to leave Northern Cyprus and to allow the country unite back again.
Based on the UN resolitions, only the 1st invasion of Cyprus was counted as somewhat legal. But that only captured 3% of the island. The second invasion, which happened after the Greek military Junta collapsed, was labeled unanimously as illegal by the UN Security Council and it is labeled internationally as an invasion (Resolution 353 & 360)
Sees “turkish” and “greek” in the same video title....
*looks down the comment section*
*grabs popcorn*
I can hear the cannons raging now, good times.
You know, most of the times the comments actually turn out to be pretty civil when people expect a Turkish-Greek flamewar.
@@ardagurbuz6924 Scroll down my friend, Scroll down, the comments are fine but the replies are a warzone.
@@AbdulGoodLooks Yeah, noticed that.
Ever saw India and Pakistan in the same video and look down the comments section?
I think Neo easily has one of the best intros on youtube
no cap
The best*
Looks the beginning of The Expanse..sounds similar too
Yep
I like how you mentioned the arrangement for India and Sri Lanka and how they settle for a median. I'm from the South Indian state of Kerala and we regularly hear news of how Sri Lankan fishermen are caught by the Indian coast guard and vice versa because they might be in the wrong zone, and this just makes me think how artificial all these borders are. Here you have ancient fishing communities who are restricted by international treaties they've never seen or participated in and having to spend nights in jail for being on the wrong side of the _water_ ....
There is video by vox that talk about this. Its quite interesting.
They have to be enforced because otherwise whoever has the largest fishing fleet gets all the fish. In the case of India/Sri Lanka it's a far bigger problem for Sri Lanka since India has a bigger fleet. Unfortunately before regulation became stronger, the area between Sri Lanka and India became badly overfished and now it's tough for everyone. The only way to bring fishing back is to simply end fishing for a while. =/
The biggest offender is China, which has a habit of sending its fleets across the entire planet into EEZs of countries too poor to defend them.
Finland and Estonia settled for less than a median to accommodate a passage for Russia.
I am from Kerala too and I can confirm this. This back and forth has also claimed many lives and is made complicated by the fact that there are Tamils on both side of the border who at least in their perspective find themselves divided between two countries (not that it affects this particular issue that directly).
The problem With this example that he gives is that he tries to connect the two but they don't have the same circumstance.what you say is happening in Greece too but when they cross the maritine border they were inform to leave and thats that but the last decades Turkey does that intentional with fisherman so to cross the border but still the same actions. The difference with your case is that Turkey does that with warships if it was just fisherman it will still be acceptable.
THIS IS LITERALY A FREE AND EDUCATIONAL FULL DOCUMENTARY... FOR FREE! I actually cannot put into words how much I appreciate the dedication the people/person behind neo has to educating the world for free. I love you guys
you know he is making money with youtube? :D
@@ddragon5587 This makes me unbelievably happy to know he's being paid
@@odobro9919 sure. great content :) totally agree
You should watch CaspianReport too. Very informational and full of content.
Bob Ross No it's not. It's presenting turkey's propaganda as facts without any critical thinking. Greece is not trying to limit Turkey's rights what so ever. Demilitarisation of Greek islands is a totaly differant subject and Turkey only uses it to force Greece into a weak position in order to impose its will by means of threats of invasion as they did in 1974 in the demilitarised island of Cyprus. Lots of Greek islands are not concerned by the treaty of Lausanne because they where greek before or became greek after. Kastellorizo was Italian till 1945 and nothing prevents Greece from defending it with its armed forces. The turkish claim that all the aegean islands should be demilitarised is laughable.
I have to admit this is the most unbiased video I have seen in TH-cam on the topic. Great job at showing only the facts and letting the audience to decide and not guide them to conclusions
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Yes, but the so called "Greek" map it is not a map that Greece has created or anything.
it is a map made by the Geneva University for the EU in the past based on the international laws and not by Greece.
Greece's point of view is that as long as we haven't signed any treatment between us about the EEZ, you don't have the right to make researches in that area where my islands are.
On the other hand, the Turkish "Blue Homeland" map is an official map made by Turkey and includes also half of the Aegean Sea.
Yes half of the Greek islands are included on this map.
This is is the real reason why Greece is willing to spend (once again) more money for warplanes and warships than any exploration of gas may give in the future.
It is the sovereignty of the Greek islands we care about and not that @!#@ gas.
And this gas exploration it is just "happened" to start now, while a lot of stuff going on with Turkey's behavior lately and it's worsening relationships with USA and EU and even bringing a war close to Russia this time.
@@Panos-Veria yep this. None in greece actually cares about gas. We care about our islands, that turkey goes back and forth about how they are not truly greek. Just wrong and plain scary.
@@Panos-Veria exactly well said the gas discoveries is only secondary
I am Turkish but not here to argue, rather to read the comments
Same mate😂😂
And your opinion about this situation sir?
@@Chris-Alex9 why do you care, trying to start an argument ?
@@erdniealinik nah! I know who I am and what I’m doing and I’m doing everything right I’m not a barbaric..just curiosity
@@Chris-Alex9 telling my opinion would cause the very thing i try to avoid. and are you trying to refer to someting with the verb barbaric or what :D
Congratulations. The first foreign youtuber who sufficiently and accurately covers the nuances of this issue. I have seen so many "educational" youtubers get it wrong but you managed to give a perfect summary of the situation. Kudos!
@SilverOrien The greece-egypt agreement is an order of magnitude more legit. However keep in mind that greece made the agreement with egypt as a reaction to the turkey-libya agreement. That means that even if turkeys agreement is pointless in theory, greece considered it a big enough threat to make a move.
@SilverOrien The agreement between Turkey and Libya was actually ratified and accepted by the UN though, which means we have legality on our side as we did the treaty before you did it with Egypt.
@@adidoki Posted on the UN board means nothing, it doesn't produce legal rights.
It has to be accepted by the HoR and Lybia's HoR not only hasn't ratified it, it even pushes for a legal delimitation between Greece and Lybia.
Lybians already know Turkey just wants the country's oil and military bases, Erdogan doesn't care about
the people.
@SilverOrien We didn't sit on a table with a dictator. Our agreement was made with a prime-minister who is recognized by United Nations.
@SilverOrien What do you mean? He is a UN-recognized prime-minister. Doesn't the UN a valid organization for you?
Mean while china : whole South China is mine
@kroooassant you don't know shit.
Mean while USA， whole pacific is mine
Turkey implements the same policy as well , even if it's not working out for them .
@@christermi why not ??
@@rubiskim6311 yeah true USA had done many things to cover in Pacific like they dont recognize the sea of Mexico,they are just powerful and nobody can say a word to them cuz the missile will knock their door the next day
The trailer for the new HOU4 expansion: Battle for Bosporus looks dope
85 million population versus 10 million ? If there is no intervene from europe or us; it would be just a bubble bath for greece at bosphorus or eagen.
@@erdemgorgel4166 To be realistic Greece has no chance Turkey has the second largest army in NATO like After USA
@@fiagor3090 To be realistic, Greece has the whole EU backing it and an increasingly annoyed USA.
@@eLeft6 Yeah but we are comparing two countries
@@eLeft6 To be realistic Turkey can deal with EU and Greece same time because 85 million's heart became one
Love it! You should do Armenia and Azerbaijan next!
I think CaspianReport covered that already. (12 hours ago apparently)
It's a good channel as well.
@@Ramy9619 Yes but he is Azerbaijani
If you watch the video, you can tell how careful he is to not take sides.
@@giorgos.efth43 he is surprisingly neutral though
@@sankarsah yes it is true but it wont matter. Because a Goverment is aouthortitarian it doesnt makes Azerbaijan who is unfair. Because it is their land. I would still support Azerbaijan even thought it is aouthortitarian.
I am Turkish and I approve this video. Definitely unbiased view of both sides.
I am Greek and I agree. It presents the arguments of both sides.
@@hectork-l9670 hello.
Turkey claim that’s islands have no right to EEZ and expanding to 12miles is an act of war, that makes turkey so stupid and you will end up with nothing
i am Greek and i agree with you. Very good video.
@@maladance5951 if the mainland demands the same are. first mainland then island. for me it makes sense even it a pity for the island.
I love how you took the effort to pronounce words in a different language properly. It's very satisfying. Keep it up!
One of the best videos which summarises the issues at a high level, well done!
SO WHAT ARE THE BRITISH DOING THERE ? ASK THIS QUESTION
The same things brits have doen around the world, cause war
British bases are here because Cyprus was Crown colony of the British Empire. Both greek and turkish cypriots and greek and turkish governments agreed that these bases can be there when Cyprus got it's independence in August of 16, 1960.
@Pengoto K what in Hong Kong?
@Pengoto K British didn't created conflict in Hong Kong. It was China that started to bend all treaties around Hong Kong they ever made. Hong Kong would be better as part of Great Britain.
@Pengoto K wtf? can u explain your logic?
*Meanwhile in South China Sea...*
China: I'm just gonna take a _little_ bit
Then we draw a happy _little Chinese fl-_ I mean wave
just like the usa lol, they're siblings maybe, you know, superpower countries behavior
I am Greek. It would been interesting if we knew which oil companies are behind two countries.
It only benefits them while Greece and Turkey dogfighting. I think Turkey and Greece should unite their strong to take out the oil together without any outside country and company. This is the only win-win situation. But it seems western countries will have the oil in mediterranean too.
@@emregol3793 lol turkey want to fight for those oils because there are not in their territory... and we had issues when we drilled our oil in north aegean a long time ago... if turkey had the oils in their territory they would already been using them and we wouldnt even care or try to do anything... thats all facts from 1970 till now..
@@nikosvougioukas8061 thats your point of view from your media. Grecee can only sell oil. You guys cant drill. You dont have the tech. You said its your oil. Somebody can easily say otherwise(cause there i no aggrement). I dont think turkey will let this oil go. Neither grecee. If it comes the war. We know who is gonna win. I wish that day will never happen. It is better that both countires come to an aggrement. Because, grecee will sell this oil almost for free, . Because of these dogfight, grecee have to buy weapons from west, turkey spents its money to militarazing. Only west will benefit here.
@@emregol3793 Though I agree and try to advocate for this, we have to remember that the west has facilitated/benefited heavily from our ongoing tensions over the past 200 years. It is a shame we are both so dependent on them that we can not put our own wellbeing as a priority
@@emregol3793 Nah. They all stand behind Greece on this one. Greece is a puppet state, they would sell their country if they could harm Turkey. Dont be dellusianal. After the Ottoman Empire, Arabs, Greeks etc. were all used by UK, France etc. They are all puppet states.
This is really summarizing the conflict in Mediterranean sea neutrally. Thank you for this video.
The only unbiased video on this topic out of all I have ever seen. Not only that but also with great quality. Explanations are informative, animations are really fun to watch and that intro is just amazing. Awesome work.
Its not unbiased. He presents the two views as having equal legitimacy, when the Turkish one is in violation of international law.
@@johanlassen6448 Please consider the following. Just because someone presents a situation that you don't like, it doesn't automatically make them biased. Which law does Turkey violate? Are you, by any chance, refering to the treaty which Turkey didn't sign? Here's some exposition, if you don't sign an agreement, it means you didn't agree to its terms, which means you are not legally bound by it. Even then, the same agreement says each situation should be handled specifically and a just distribution should be made. This is no agreement, this is an attempt to use "international law" to rob an enemy country of its rightful borders. Basically, it is how wars work in the democratic world of 2020's. Please be honest. Have you seen how little the area Greece's claims leave for Turkey? Imagine if that was France or Germany in Turkey's place, would you still say that country deserved that tiny excuse for a sea? Or are you picking sides because Turkey is a "barbaric enemy country" for you?
Just one question.
It Turkey is right why does not accept international law, law of the sea and go the International Court?
Because it's not right
Some things are just unsenseable. A peble of an Island cannot (well it can but it is very unjustice) strip a major body of land from it’s rights to the sea of of its coastline. It just doesn’t make sense from a logical point of view. Greece should stop pushing their agenda, which is unrational and plain unjustice towards Turkey and its rights, which is that they own the eastern med just because they fortunately own a nearly uninhabited island.
@@AC-ys4vc well that it is too bad you don't have that island 🤷🏻♂️.
@@AC-ys4vc so war is the best solution? I see that Greece agreed for eez with Italy, Egypt and decided to go to international Court for eez after a mutual agreement with Albania. there are solution and always better than war. Instead Turkey is involved in several wars. does anything sound weird? as much as Erdogan has economic problems, lives into wealth, does not care about his people, send people into jail, fight free press etc he will always present to his people imaginary "enemies". There are not enemies to Turkish people. it's 2020 and there are better solutions instead of war.
@@salmp7 Turkey asked and accepted to come to terms with the situation through dialogue but Greece denied.
love the detail that you put kastelorizo on the map! nicely explained video!
You know these problems won't be solved since we're talking about Greece and Turkey. Those 2 names doesn't fit well together.
Edit: Finally the real entertainment begins *grabs popcorn*
It's sad that this is true :/. As a Turk I really hope my country to have friendly relations with Greece. On my trips to Greece each year, I learned that without all these disputes we are just friends, but the current enviroment and unresolved issues from the past always comes in between. And both our governments are eager to show each other as public enemies, it works for their advantage. But I hope in the future people and with that, governments will get trough all this conflict and go for a fresh, friendly approach to each other. We need friends, not enemies especially as neighbours. Aggressive and ultra nationalist approaches are never the solution (っ˘̩╭╮˘̩)っ.
There is a huge profits in agean sea which is not enough for one country. I'm from Turkey and its seems certain. Also Greeks tend to think that we are in problem cause Turks stoled our treasures
@@yanksavgat4295 do i always have to see this stereotype of comment which basically says "governments baaad, nations guuud"
It is not about being an ultranationalist or sth. This is basically geopolitics. These two nations will never have good relations, this can be sad but this is a fact and has nothing to do with govs.
Guys non of you got the joke.
@@AO00720 shhh let them enjoy their geopolitical opinions without cooking puns
This was a very honest and fact based video. Great job... I just subscribed. This channel has 499k subscriptions and this video will surely help reach 500k+ subscriptions that are well deserved. Keep up the good work and bring more honest content to the world!!! Thank you
@wa la ghaliba illAllah What prophecy?
@wa la ghaliba illAllah Yeah... It was an easy guess 😂
lets be honest if theres any greeks or turks arguing in the comments, they're mostly just americans with greek or turkish ancestry. My grandmother lives in greece and she occasionally talks about her friends in turkey. But thought he disagreements are mostly among governments, if greeks or turks are given a given a question concerning something controversial that one of the governments did to the other, they would probably side with their own government just out of pride.
This doesn't have to do with the Turkish people they are just under heavy propaganda and many of them uneducated it's the Turkish government
Highly doubt that.
@@christoforosvogiatzis4898 the guy said who has greece flag is his profile
@@ferhatgulsuyu4041 😂😭
@@christoforosvogiatzis4898 wow, says the man with the greek flag. Very credible
Good and quite balanced presentation of the conflict, but I believe that the conflict is deeper and older than disagreements about gas reserves.
The problem here is that he is desperately trying to maintain an equal distance on an issue where Turkey is obviously violating international law. Some times you cant blame both sides. He says "there are two versions of the map , each of which would totally benefit either Turkey or Greece". He represents the "Greek map" like it is Greece's contrivance. No , there is a legal and compatible with the International law map , and an illegal one.
yes he said that at the end of the video already
@@truthseeker4931 I think we're zeroing in on the problem on why there will be no end to this international conflict
@@arafat464 I dont get your point. Maybe i didnt understand. Are you referring to creator of the video?
@@truthseeker4931 do you really think because of one single island, greece should have such a vast economic zone over the mediterannean? The EEZ that turkey claims as its own isnt a thing which is made up. That border has been referenced and defined multiple times in history like 1913 london agreement, 1923 lozan agreement etc. By that logic, should spain EEZ reach all the way to the morrocan coast because they have a few islands and cities there? No, it shouldnt. Morroco and spains EEZ equally distributes the sea of gibraltar while economic rights of spanish cities and little islands are limited to their territorial waters. Turkey says that it should have the EEZ that he claims because that territory is 200 nautical miles away from his coast. While also claiming that the greek kastelorizo island's economic rights should be limited to its territorial waters. Which is completley fair and making sense. Greece says it should have all the EEZ he claims over the medditranean because of a single island near the coast of turkey, far away from greece. So tell me, who is the logical one here?
So frickin excited
Just let the intro begin
What's the name of the music??? Maan it's so good zzzzzz
Adrián Berenguer - Continent
0:15
6:00 reminds me of the long holliday car trips with my brother in the backseat.
If he did not respect the border in the middle of the car, the war was on.
What about if your brother was a strange gay incoming from an other car? A man who get in your car by force, put out your brother and stay in for him? Would you talk with him about the car owenership?
@@chrisimos588 hahahaha that example killed me
but its true
A very nice video man in such tough subject, greetings from Greece!
I have noticed that skillshare always sponsors good TH-camrs
Naah i saw a youtube video just like this one and the person who made that video was totally biased toward armenia. Also he was speaking like a total jerk yet skill share decided to support him. So that's a no to skill share and yes to brilliant . org
@@abdullahk0405 i mean you did kill the Armenians
Only thing I disagree is where you put the agreement between Greece and Egypt to look same level with the one between turkey and Libya. The first is an absolutely legitimate, internationally recognized agreement where the world is just laughing about the second, which not only has zero value from an international law standpoint but also everybody knows that the Libyan president was forced to sign it, by Turkey.
didn't the USA do the same to hundreds of countries also Libya doesn't have a government anymore(from what I believe in)
Thanks so much, this video was so clear and unbiased. You explained the issue extremely well
Form Egypt much love to our ancient brothers 🇪🇬❤🇬🇷
🇬🇷❤️🇪🇬 :)) Egypt is our closest ally and we love your country and the people of Egypt!! greece and Egypt forever bros🇬🇷🇪🇬🇬🇷🇪🇬🇬🇷🇪🇬🇬🇷🇪🇬
They love muslims so muchhhh 😂
@@dcjkl8088 first off all not all Egyptians are muslims 20% of egyptians are Christians, and I just wanna get ur point !
@@stevasmr6024 well I’m talking about the majority and egypt is a muslim country
@@dcjkl8088 Cleopatre was greek
Nice video and good effort to describe things. Obviously more complicated than they appear. We should not misunderstand some harsh comments as do not understand eachother easily the Greeks and the Turks...
A simple example we the Greeks we are unable to ''read'' comprehend the Turks as a collective consciousness.. Par example how a nation feels that they have not established one city of importance, are they happy just renaming them? How does this works for them? Do they feel like locusts or are they happy with that? So deep is the gap.
Very informative video - well presented.
8:00 "New relations between 'riparian' nations".
I think you meant 'littoral' nations.
Riparian = by a river
Littoral = by the sea or lake
Your graphical representation triumphs over other similar channel... Keep up the good work. Subscribed!!!👍
Your intro's are so good. Brilliant music and really nice visuals...needs to be said!
Good video, however you forgot to mention that Turkey believes that all islands are not supposed to have EEZ and therefore claims exploration in half the agean sea. You will find this information in the maps that the Turkish government has presented in EU.
So an island with people living on it, is considered rock for you? Regardless of what myself and yourself say, there are laws. Greece simply say let's go to Hague to solve our issues (as so many countries did before) but Turkey doesn't want that, guess why...
@@savvas.k why dont u check aggrement between France and england about islands between? Also frace is your big supporter. Look how they decided there and now
@Bruce Lee literally the UNCLOS (meaning the international law) says that inhabited islands with economic life have the right to EEZ. This is what all countries adhere to. Besides Turkey.
@@vassilisxerikos3908 if you really think that turkey would succumb to beeing landlocked over an agreement that she didn't sign, you are delisional. Even a small rock can be fitted into description of an island which has economic activities, however and island which has a population whole year round and can sustain itself is very debatable. I am all for solutions, we could search and drill together as neighbors but our respective governments have other plans.
@@denizkizilates you are not landlocked. You will have the amount of territorial waters and EEZ that international law provisions for your country. No more. Now Greece has been extremely patient and generous with this behavior, and tries to genuinely sway turkey towards international law. But If you keep up this attitude and make the mistake of trying to conquer what is not yours, be prepared to lose your airforce. In three days.
3:51 bruh the same agreement also binds Turkey to not militarise Thrace and the Straits. And also to give autonomy to Imbros and Tenedos. And also to retain a Greek community of 150.000 in Istanbul, which it taxed and killed with racist pogroms.
@Islamist Crusader Yes the Montreau Convention allows both countries to remilitarize in case of threat. But this was established AFTER Turkey had violated the agreement and remilitarized the straights. Anyway, today there is theoretically no demilitarized zone. The Treaty of Lausanne made both demilitarized, the Montreau Convention made both remilitarized
@Islamist Crusader No no, the Allied occupation of the city stopped with the Treaty of Lausanne. As per the treaty, Turkey was also given sovereignty over the Greek autonomous islands of Imbros and Tenedos, on the promise that they would be forever autonomous Greek with Greek mayors and official language being Greek. This was done so Turkey could better protect the Straights. But in 1928 this was unilaterally abolished and they were made prisoner colonies.
@Islamist Crusader The International Straights Commission was already abolished in 1923, just Turkey had to not militarize the Straights by the Treaty of Lausanne. Montreau essentially defuncted that clause
Remind me how many mosque are there in Athens?
This is an incredible well-done video. Congratz!
Thank you for displaying the truth unbiased, it's really helpful
hahaha what a joke
The 2 versions you are talking about at 6:13 are basically the legitimate version based on international treaties and the version of "oh shit nice gas you have there". The fact that the international one is benefiting Greece is irrelevant on the subject. It is even the most neutral option. All this could have been avoided if Turkish government was approachable instead of larping as the stronk ottoman empire making it universally hated in the region. Sad
Well the thing is, There are two another treaties between Turkey and Greece. First is Treaty of Lousiene(1923) and second is Treaty of Paris(1947). Both treaties says that Islands that close to Turkish coast can not be militirize and Islands in Aegean Sea must have only 3 nmiles. Now every island in Aegean Sea is militirazed(which is not okay for Turkey but Turkey wanted to be in EU and he said nothing.) and right now Greece's island has 6 nmiles.(Which is okay for Turkey)
I write this because you showed me that you only know about current government. But this case is 73 years old and Law of the Sea ignited it again.
The reason why Turkey did not sign International Law of the Sea was.... it really screws up Turkey . Island so close tho coast line usally dont get anything. For example islands that belongs to UK but too close to France coast line have no right. Same goes for Spanish islands that too close to Morocco.
And las thing is, this is not a Erdoğan thing. This is a Turkey thing.A leftist president named Bülent Ecevit was the one who "LIBERATED" or "invaded" Cyprus.
Edit: In 2004 Turkey(erdoğan) let Cyprus to join EU(because cyprus does not have territorial integrity and a EU candidate must not have a territorial dispute). He hoped that Greece and Cyprus would help Turkey to join EU. İn 2008 there was a plan named Annan. This plan was the best solution for Cyprus(Very benefical for Greece) and both Turkish side and Greek side went to referendum. Turks voted %65 for yes but Greeks voted %75 for no. So who is larped first ?
@@mustafaberkaysuer2964 most of the world no longer recognizes both treaties, therefore they really do not matter anymore.
@@luoravetla I did not know that. Why most of the world does not recognize these treaties ?
@@mustafaberkaysuer2964 Greece militirised all the islands because Turkey invaded Cyprus and if i remember correctly one of the treaty you mentiond says that greece can militirise all the islands if in self defence
@@babisgreece3350 Yes, I know that Greece militirazed all island after Cyprus but was Cyprus Greece ? Does Turkey attacked Greece ? Answer is YES(Because at that time mlitary cunta has enacted EONASIS) and all started because of this(first military operation was justified but second is a diffrent story). I know that why Greece did militirise and self defence is everyone natural right and Turkey was very silent abut this.
Also thanks to Turkey's approve to letting Cyprus to EU. Greece and Turkey had not a single issue for very long time.
out of all the videos ive seen about that matter you have the most objective view
thats a subscribe
Check out caspian report.
@@_robustus_ Caspian Report has a slight bias towards the Turkish side, given the fact that the commentator is an Azeri. I saw that video and I got that bias vibe. It also portrayed Greece as some sort of villain for making a deal with Egypt, while ignoring that Turkey made a deal with the Libyan GNA first, despite the fact that the Libyan GNA does not control the eastern part of the country.
The Pale God Nevertheless it's not objective. You can't pretend in the same video that Greece is just applying the Law of Sea and that Greece is trying to limit Turkey's rights. Greece did not put its islands there to limit Turkey's EEZ what so ever.
Greece defined it's EEZ according to the rules of the law of sea, respecting what the said law gives to Turkey.
On the other hand, the EEZ claimed by Turkey is not respecting Greece's rights according to the law of sea and tries to force Greece into submission by threats of war.
toprowsky123 Turkey recognised it de facto by signing a treaty with Bulgaria and another one with Libya defining it's own EEZ.
You can't have you cake and it it.
Either Turkey wants an EEZ and aknowledges the UN treaty defining what an EEZ is, or Turkey remains in the revious legal order whith no EEZ what so ever.
Hypocrisy is not allowed in legal matters.
Greece on the other had is part of the UN treaty and is just applying it. Turkey is the one threatenig of war here. Greece is legalist.
You see Greece is not taking anything from Turkey but from the international waters. International waters, as the name suggests are not the proprety of Turkey.
Therefore Greece is not require to ask Turkey?s opinion on that matter.
Your status quo bullshit is fantasy.
The UN provided a way to resolve differants resulting from the law of sea in court. Just behave like decent human beings and ask the court to set the limits of you EEZ.
toprowsky123 those are Bullshit Treaties anyway. You can't deal with Libya about Greek waters because Libya has no sovereignty over Greek waters. It's absurd and will only lead to war. Turkey is just creating more unstability with stupid moves all over the region.
Do you understand that if Turkey does not sign the Montego Bay treaty Turkey has no right to an EEZ what so ever. Singing treaties will fallen states is not a solution. Threatening an EU membre is not a good idea.
Art. 42 of the treaty of the EU says that in case one state member is invaded, all other state members shall provide help by all means. This means Turkey, by invading Greek waters, exposes itself to a war with 29 advanced countries.
And the definition of 'invasion' does not depend on Turkish bullshit teaties with bullshit goverments of failed countries.
Sounds quite stupid if you ask me.
It is a general overview, but truthful.
This video is very objective and very clear about the eastern mediterian dispute. Thank you very much for honesty.
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it is not objective , he is talking about a dispute , there is no dispute , the turks are threatening to attack Greece if they don't surrender their EEZ . If someone comes into your home at gun point saying "your money or your life" it is a robbery and threat to kill , not a dispute
@@donarw1064 who cares ?
@@theolonius8865 us
@@donarw1064 do you guys in Greece not learn anything about critical thinking lmao
@neo you make excellent informative videos . You should upload often
great vid!!
Just look at the map at 5:57 and see how stupid and unfair is the economic zone
Yeah this whole situation seems like a mess with no winner
lol not our fault you lost all the aegean in the balkan wars :D
Unfortunately for you, fortunately for us life is unfair, so are the International Laws!
That was one of the most neutral representation of the greekoturkish problem i have even seen. Good job.
It's like watching the Byzantine empire-Ottomans all over again, only this time it's their successors that are at each other's throats.
@Ahmet Özkan Sais the dog whose only contribution to history was stealing shit better men than him created
Always has been
@Ahmet Özkan Yeah, that's why the Ottomans tried so hard (and succeeded eventually) to mix with local Greek, Armenian, Bulgarian, Albanian and Serbian population in order to form the so called "Turkish" nation.. Please show more respect to the land and its original people. Even Mehmed the Conqueror did that back in the time !
@Ahmet Özkan Threatening people with death, demolishing their villages if they didn't convert to Islam, taking their children away by force from all different ethnic groups (not just the Greeks) is your idea of "just couldn't avoid it" ?? Also, I'm only talking here about the Balkans because you mentioned something about "Balkan peasants".. If we were to consider Anatolia, its people were either assimilated by the Greeks or the Persians some thousands years ago and eventually get to become Roman citizens as everyone else. So I don't see what you don't understand about originality here ?
@Ahmet Özkan But everyone in the Ottoman empire was an Ottoman citizen, including the Greeks at the time - that's not the point here. What you need to be careful about is what kind of characterization you use for those people that were indigenous to the land for thousands of years, before the progressive establishment of Turkic tribes in Anatolia. Eastern Rome that your people so much wanted to resemble and conquer was comprised of all those "peasants" that eventually became unified under the same hellenistic culture. Who told you that I'm talking only about the Janissaries here ? Make a quick history check about Turkish nation's genetic background and then we can have a conversation. Lastly, of course everyone speaks their language and practices their religion !! We've fought hard to preserve that right !
Excellent and unbiased account of the issues involved. There are too few of these on the internet today. I do wish you would have mentioned the Blue Homeland debate. Now there’s an issue that can’t be resolved... it seems to be an unattainable dream. Sorry, but the Ottoman Empire is gone. And if they (the islands) truly belonged to Turkey, after a relatively brief two hundred to four hundred years, why didn’t Ataturk just keep on going after he destroyed Smyrna? Those islands, geographically, politically, and demographically are Greek and have been for thousands and thousands of years.
He couldnt, the Turkish navy had lost against the Greek navy during that war and the balkan wars before it. That is how Greece got a lot of the islands
You guys need to refresh your history knowledge. Those twelve islands - which are given to Italians after 1911-1912 Italian - Turkish war. Ottomans lost this war because the 1st Balkan War started. Whatever, Ottomans and Italians signed and agreement. Which Italians call Trattato di Losanna and Turks call it Ouchy in order to avoid confusion with Lousanne Treaty.
According to this agreement, Italy accepted to give those Islands back to the Ottomans. But they never did that. After losing WW2, Italy gave those islands to the greece in 1947.
So those Islands become greek 9 years after death of Atatürk.
Its because you lived there for a long time doesnt make it yours. I am sorry, Byzantine Empire is gone as well.
The borders of the countries are being determined by the agreements. So yeah, they are yours... For now :) :)
@@cashbg3535 Well, if the Greeks having them for 2,000 plus years doesn’t count, then the Ottoman’s having them for about 300 years, and the Turkish Republic owning them for ZERO years mustn’t count either; because they now belong to the modern Hellenic Republic. Do you really think Turkey is going to go to war for those islands? Big mistake even for someone as diluded as Erdogan and his barking dog of a foreign minister.
Turkey has 12 miles territorial waters at the black sea, they interpret International law as it suits them. This is not a disputé about eez but for satelliting Greece. Greece wants to dissolve this dispute because is the part who ll gain the most out of a deal about eez, even if they sacrifice a big part of their eez to turkey
Turkey made a separate deal with USSR for Black Sea. After the fall of USSR deal renewed with successor states of USSR bordering Black Sea. That has completely different situation.
@@hasanrize Turkey respects international law for 12nm in the Black sea cause its beneficial to them and doesn't respect it in the Aegean and East Med cause its not. Of course its different, the civilized people call it hypocrisy.
@@rouxlasgr no, they agreed on 12 miles zone before it was a thing in law. The states of the black sea agreed on that by themselfes. Also international law says that you can't expand your waters if it would overlap with the waters of other states. I read a german article on international law in the Turkey-Greece dispute. It clearly prooved that Greece has maximalist claims and resembles the politics of China in the Chinese Sea
@@user-qi4us5zi7f The overlapping area between Greece and Turkey will be small and insignificant and can make a treaty for those parts but Turkey disputes the 12 NM miles even for all the islands in the Aegean and for the areas without any overlap. This is against the international law which now exists and Turkey doesn't sign just because they don't like it even if most other countries in the area have signed. Also the treaty for the Black Sea after the collapse of the USSR was signed way after the international law for the
EEZ was implemented (The international law was implemented in 1982 and the first treaty between Turkey and USSR was signed in 1986 and after the collapse of the USSR the new treaty was signed in the 90's) and the treaty was based on this law, so no it was not a 'special case' Turkey just doesn't accept any international law that they don't like.
@Pengoto K fyi jurisprudence is not binding for the international courtbregarding the law of the sea, moreover the country that is afraid me most to appeal to the court is turkey, because the coast line in the Aegean sea is 80% Greece 20% turkey so the decision will be proportional regarding the eez but the trap for turkey is in castelorizo and the small islands near the turkish coasts, if the court accept the greek position that those islands are part of the dodecanese island complex, which historically is true because the owner of dodecanese had always those small Isles, then turkey is fucked and the middle line will be set in front of them and turkey will be trapped with no eez
Thanks for giving information neutrally
Check also an agreement made by Canada and France over an island next to the mainland of Canada belongs to France.. thousands of miles away of France!You see,Hague recognised exclusive economic zone to this tiny island ,so far from France.Turkey would never mention this case as an example..this decision is not on her favour but is according international law.
Canada might give a small favor to France. But Canada did not have to. just a favor to old french speaking friend. nothing more.
@Chris Serafim it is open wide atlantic ocean. i do not see huge gains compared to canada's EEZ. they just opened a small corridor to international waters. french gained 18% of the territory that french had initially claimed.(wikipedia). greeks claim half of the east mediterranean. no water for turkish side. how is that fair.
@@yusufilkerozturk4715 you can only receive what your entitled under the law of the sea. And half way when in other areas.
@@leosword7142 Completely wrong as UNCLOS wasn't the only UN sea law convention and there were like half of a dozen conventions before that!! So in case of Turkey, Israel or US etc not signing UNCLOS previous UN sea law convention is binding for those countries and according to that convention both Turkey and Greece signed Turkey can declare 200 nmiles EEZ while literally ignoring islands as that convention is giving mainland more weight compared to islands. So Turkey's claims aren't illegal at all rather they are the legal claims in current situation especially if we consider how Greece is trying to use Meis island to completely butcher Turkish EEZ (Why claimed Greek EEZ has W shape around Turkey) while it is only 1.9 km away from Turkey and 550 km away from Athens and there are only 300 people living on it!! It is so extremely small a magnifying glass is needed to see it even then it could steal the rights of 80 million people only according to Greece ofc...
@@ggoddkkiller1342 you fail to understand that the Greek islands is Greece. Not just Athens. That is if an island is 2km away from Turkey its Greece that is 2km away from Turkey. ANKARA is a further 900km? away from the greek islands.
One of the very few videos that accurately describes the problem, while maintaining equality for both sides and also presenting facts the way they are. It doesn't immediately blame one side over the other but it does talk about international legitimacy of each side's claims. Perfectly executed. Well done.
So it does not accurately describe the problem then, since the entire affair is the fault of Turkey. It is not Greece that has a standing casus belli on Turkey in the event of Turkey claiming its international rights after all.
The fact is that Greece is operating under the limits of international law, while Turkey is blatantly ignoring it and even denying islands like Crete and Rhodes territorial waters while attempting to enforce this with constant threats of war. Turkey is a bully.
qwertz is way better
regarding demilitarization of Greek Islands, dodecanese are not covered by the Lausanne treaty but from Paris treaty on which Turkey did not participate. According to international law a country that does not participate to a treaty cannot protest for breach of terms. Futhermore according to article 51 of UN a country has the right to self defense (above all treaties), and this article comes in force from the moment Turkey violates Greek EEZ as defined by UN (you mention this on your Video) plus the Mavi Vatan plan that turkey officially presents. It also comes in force from the Casus Beli that turkish government has declared if Greece expands waters to 12 nm as is its legal right.
Regarding Turkish/Libya agreement is not recognised by any international authority because is a deal between a country (Turkey) and a ...person ( Saratz). This deal has never passed for voting from the Libyan parliament and therefore is illegal and does not represent or bind Libya, unlike the Greek/ Egypt agreement that has been approved from noth parliaments.
In general is a good video, and I hope that my comments gave you food for thought to improve it. Political correctness and equal distances is not always "correct"...
thank you for making the situation more clear and giving some more prespective to this dipute!
Facts!
Hey Alexander listen to me. Soon or later we will reclaim whats ours. Enjoy while you can those islands belongs to us. İt wouldnt happen soon but maybe my son or his grandson will raise turkish flag there. We will finish what you ve started in anatolia in 1920
@@faithismyskyfall Your comment is provocative and has no basis whatsoever. I don't see your name in any of the islands. Fix your authoritarian political status, your depressing economy and the lives of the Turkish people that are suffering from poverty and bad living conditions and then re-think of destroying other people's lives and uncritically stating "what is yours" here and there.
P.s If you believe you can just walk in undisturbed and get "what is yours" not only in Greek but also European borders, you should re-check your info.
This is the best so far video explaining the latest Greco-Turkish crisis. Well done.
I have only one notice on a matter that is not explicitly referred. Under UNCLOS passing of under-see pipes or cables through EEZ of other countries does not need the permission of these countries.
Turkey not ratified unclos, it is meaningless in this case
Thanks man! I am glad I found this 👌
In order to make this video more potent in information regarding the matter , i believe that foreign policy of both countries should be included as well as current political systems. Additionally , a link of the treaty should be included. For instance the militarisation of Greek islands suggest an agressive policy on the Greek side and although you do say about the greek claim of the need in such an act,i again believe that you could include some incidents over the years, if not possible in the video,then again in the description. Generally i believe informing videos as such should move the viewer's interest in order to investigate the matter more and coclude a personal opinion. Of course a very informing video and great work, maybe make a second video adding more information on the matter .
his goal is to be unbiased putting that in is bias
@@OfficialJessP why is that Bias,if it is a fact
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Love Greece!
Likewise, I hope we figure out something that beneficial to all of us.
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holy shit, the quality of the video is amazing. I did not expect this quality from a channel with 500k subs. Good job!
Philippines and Indonesia over Celebes Sea is very good story because in order not to sent to international court, in 1994 they decided to negotiate between two countries to drawn the borders and it was ended in 2014 when both countries agreed to sign the historical maritime deal of Celebes Sea which is praised the international community and the UN and it was remained peaceful on sea borders because Philippines and Indonesia are good friends and love each other 🇵🇭❤️🇮🇩
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the example (1:59) not give the full picture of the situation, because sri lanka is a island state but greece is mainland country. that changes of the exclusive economic zones (EEZ). if a mainland country have an island near another country, that island just have territorials waters, for example england have 4 island (Alderney, guernsey, sark and jersey) close to france in the channel but if you look EEZ of the countries you going to see islands does not impact on the EEZ but they keep their own territorial waters. this is all the situation, you can't compare with sri lanka and greece because sri lanka is the country just have island soil.
Part of treaty of Lausanne was that the Greeks from imbros and tenedos will stay in the islands but turkey didn't keept her promise
OFC not. Turkey never does. Its a rogue state.
No father
@@springboi635 haha very funny at least my parents still love me
@@dkgamers1385 I was just joking because this was 1 years ago 😔
@@dkgamers1385 sorry??
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Love from the god of the seas 🇬🇷🇨🇾🇫🇷
@@incodewetrust8862 Are you from Cyprus 🇨🇾🇨🇾🇨🇾
@@Georgios_F kind of yeah 🔥 you?
@@incodewetrust8862 Half Greek half Cypriot 🇨🇾🇬🇷
@@Georgios_F that makes you 100% 🇬🇷 😅
another great video!!!
Apparently this video has failed to include an important key element. The republic of Cyprus has already made legitimate agreements with 3 Middle Eastern states over the EEZ borders: with Egypt (2003) Israel (2010) and Lebanon (2007). Therefore the southern part of the country
's EEZ has already been agreed. I do not see it in the video though...
The republic of Cyprus is a kind of temporary country. Half of the island belongs to Turks. Also Cyprus is famous with "laundering of illicit money" especially Russian money. Not to mention "selling EU passport to criminals for money" issues. So Nobody cares "The republic of Cyprus" agreements because It is a criminal, temporary and abstract country.
@@home-uf3tg No, the entire island belongs to Cyprus. The "Turkish" half is just an illegal occupation.
@@johanlassen6448 whos cares
@@fatihyaldz5266 Everyone outside Turkey
This is a masterpiece of how to do a video
Extremely interesting, many thanks
Yay, the intro is back
The Lausanne treaty mentioned the protection of Christian Greeks of Instabul , Imbros and Tenedos , it mentioned the demilitarization of Eastern Thrace and the straits (even though it was agreed upon that this should be reversed , but still) . Lausanne treaty has long been violated so many times by Turkey , with its pogroms and forced expulsions (events of 6th September 1955) for instance , that it's considered a joke nowadays , with Turkey threatening war , even as the treaty clearly hints at eternal peace .
@John DESMOND Greece is right according to EVERY international Law .
Demilitirarization of straits stopped with later montreux treaty just accept it greece wants to have everything for itself and cries when that doesnt happen
@John DESMOND then Turkey has to leave many things I dont even have to tell ,leave cyprus,recognize things that are recognized by un and others such as Armenian genocide,and many other things and at the end of the day Turkey will lose more than greece ,it is the same with china and Philippines,this game is played by strong countries like Turkey and china , Turkey didn't sigh right of the seas etc,greeks lived there for thousands of years and new nation is going to tell them dont do military exercises and this is our water? Sorry to to tell you brother but when greeks had these islands,turks were in deep asia(I'm not being racist I'm just telling facts about this with asia dont get me wrong brother) In this world nobody includes history,for example this war with karabah or something I cant spell it ,historically belongs to armenia as armenias lived there before Azerbaijan came,plus that stalin gave this land to Azerbaijan as a gift. Both sides are right and wrong but Turkey is a little bit more wrong.
@@ardasari7692 are you reading just the information that suits you , or are you plain dumm ? Read carefully next time 👍 (I mentioned this)
Turkey claims a countries border is from the mainland not from the islands also greece supporter france did the same thing when it came to their land. the two british islands Jersey and Guernsey are next to france like 15km france went to court and In the decision of the International Arbitration Board, it was stated that it could take continental shelf on islands closer to the French coast than England. it is basically the same case and it shows that turkey is right upon this subject. At that time, France defending their rights, but when it comes to Turkey, they choose to follow a different attitude.
Vox is not making such videos lately, so I think neo got a perfect chance here to nail it...
Greece is one of the origins of Western civilization. Respect from🇨🇳！
You forgot to say that Greece wants to go to court with turkey to find a solution
But turkey doesn’t want to go
Bullshit
as always great content. keep it up
One wants to take the ideological high ground and think that they should solve it using dialogue and support Greece in this case.
Unfortunately, this is one of those edge cases where the law of the seas creates a map that may be from a Turkish perspective is unfair(just like how the US didn’t sign UNCLOS, because to them it’s unfair or restricts them).
I, personally, do not see this situation being resolved without a Greek compromise, which again would be completely unfair to them.
Although, both sides are clinging to claims to have the bigger portion of the pie. In negotiations, I hope they can both leave some part of that to reach a settlement.
Let's see how things roll out.
I am a Bangladeshi btw, and our country solved our maritime border disputes with Myanmar and India in international court. This seems not to be open to Turkey, it seems.
Nafisi Zaki if you went to the international court why can't Turkey.
A reasonable country does. Turkey is doing "so called oil search"
in disputed waters.
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU.
@@leosword7142 because Turkey knows they will lose in International Court. This scenario between Turkey and Greece is a very edge case because of the numerous small Greek islands with or without people.
This needs to ve solved between them by negotiations.
so you're saying that we should give up our eez and aegean islands so turkey will stop crying?
@@thesummergamer7245 i didn't exactly say that.
What I meant was, this being an edge case, Turkey will not agree to UNCLOS or international court's rulling. Just like USA didn’t sign UNCLOS as they thought it was unfair to them.
And from my inexperienced eye I can see that Greece having so much island means that it would have an upper edge over Turkey, no matter how.
So, my opinion is that, the only way to solve this is through negotiations between Greece and Turkey, where both sides would need to give some reasonable concessions to the other side.
If you think Greece should get what it deserves, that ain't happening, nor is Turkey going to get its way, so this whole area would remain an underutilised economic region for both.
This was my opinion. However, I am just a rando in the internet who saw how the Bangladesh, Myanmar, India issue was solved through dialogue and projecting my bias over the issue over the same Greece-Turkey issue.
You may reject my opinion if you find it unacceptable.
This is not just political it is personal greece and turkey have been killing each other a looong time
06:40 your greece and egypt agreement map is wrong, because it is only between egypt mainland and greek's island not mainland. The two other countries made an agreement between their mainlands which is accepted by UN and became legit.
@Kostas T Greece is not an island nation and agreements signed by Greece does not endorse any regulation unless signed by Turks as well, Greek government is after maximalist approach before speaking about being peacefulness, Greek government did support and protected PKK terrorists and leadership before speaking about Turkish incursions in other lands. Greek government is arranging Egypt, Israel for years to leave Turkey in the corner before all this begun. Greek government is FAR from being fairness as they use EU as shield to dream even more about Hellenic dreams. At least we know what Erdoğan is from day one, however we also know that EU and Greeks were VERY supportive of him till these days, so happy reapings for what you sow! We are not stupid, we are helpless as we are the 49% percent in the votings for decades, thanks to extinction of leftist ideology and the reduction of Turkish General Staff by rightist support that US and Saudis gave for years, so all those radicals you see in the news were paid long ago, not by us
honestly one of the best channels on YT
You didn’t explain what a continental shelf is. Turkey claims continental shelf, not EEZ.
how can you even claim the continental shelf? might as well claim the whole of Europa and Asia
Finally some good content not siding with Greece or Turkey. Finally a video that shows both sides mistakes!
Loves from Turkey!
It's turkey who is the instigator and tries to steal the Aegean energy deposits which doesn't belong to them.
It's turkey who threatens Greece with war not to extent its legal territorial waters zones.
Because they know they will loose in a court of law.The reason why they refuse to sign the international standards sea of law.
The “equal distance” between the claims of the two countries, which is practiced in this video, is a little problematic since it shows equal understanding to the claims of Greece and Cyprus that are based in the international law described at the beginning of the video and the claims of Turkey that are not.
the international maritime laws have a general solution but the reality (oceanography) is much more complicated. that's why there is a lot of disputes either solved or ongoing. the current laws might put one side at a disadvantage. since fairness must be the sole purpose of the laws, they need to be updated when faced with a complex case.
so should the small islands (which are the natural extensions of the Anatolian peninsula) have a greater eez than the mainland which has a much longer costline? does the entire area belong to Greece or Turkey? well I'm not sure cuz I'm not an expert and I think you are not too. so lets not try to legitimise one argument over another.
anyways I hope a fairer solution will be agreed on by both sides and this will be sorted out peacefully. I wanna see the both sides happy at the end of the day. all the best.
edit: grammar
@@enessahin4775 thank you! Great reply! I agree with the spirit of the answer but…
According to the current Turkish claims, all the island don’t have any influence in the Exclusive Economic Zones. This is not just a local dispute, it is a complete disagreement with the international rules. If this was the case, GB, Iceland, most of Denmark, Ireland, just to name a few European countries, wouldn’t have an exclusive zone at all.
After many years of negotiations the two countries had almost come to an agreement about 15 years ago. Unfortunately, the incompetence of the Greek prime minister at the time (karamanlis) that didn’t want to take the political cost of this decisions and possibly other factors didn’t allow it to happen. That agreement was respecting the principles of the maritime law and was implementing more “creative” solutions when a small island close to Turkish coastline was involved. Maybe one day in the future the two countries will be ready for such a solution.
Thank you again Enes for your reply.
PS: We are not experts but still we can disagree and argue according to our best understanding 🤷🏻♂
@@alexandros1973 thanks for your understanding! i also like your thoughts Alexandros. well i personally believe the agreement will offer a solution based on the idea that the islands have some eez but not as much as the Greek mainland would. just a theory. but the other problem in Cyprus is not easy one to solve and goes beyond the maritime rules as there ve been long-standing political problems. the Greek side is currently benefiting from being internationally recognised n making agreements with other international oil companies n the Turkish side is conducting its own exploration activities which i believe the both are not the right thing to do at this stage. the Greek n Turkish sides should stop ignoring each other n immediately solve the political problems first before taking actions in the sea.
soo lets see what the time will tell us. hope we both will be there with the competent governments. anyways thanks again appreciate it👍
Thanks for the awesome research
The Treaty of Lausanne of 1923 was completely cancelled and rewritten in the treaty of Montreux about the straits in 1936. Turks SIGNED this new treaty and in there it is written that Greece CAN MILITARISE Lemnos and Samothraki . There is also a letter sent to Greek prime minister of the time by Turkish government that says : "The provisions pertaining to the islands of Limnos and Samothrace, which belong to our neighbor and friendly country Greece and were demilitarized in application of the 1923 Lausanne Treaty, were also abolished by the new Montreux Treaty, which gives us great pleasure" Rustu Aras.. So Greece have military since then
@@tolgaduran7030 the relations would never be friendly as long as dictator Erdogan and his gang threaten Greece and the whole planet. He has a very big mouth disrespecting many people that are not playing. I hope you send them home soon because i don't see a good future for Turkish people wirth all these expansion dreams
@@tolgaduran7030 Let's hope the next days with your navy in the center of the Greek Aegean sea we don't see any friendly shipwreck...It's not only USA my man it's over 10 countries against you at this moment and at least 4-5 of them can seriously make you regret it of being "active"
@@tolgaduran7030 First of all Greeks lived in both sides of the Aegean for 5000 years you occupied-conquer-stole this land from the Greeks 500 years ago. Second of all there are 3000 Greek islands in the Aegean sea and Turkey have like 2 small ones imbros and Tenedos(also Greek and stolen) and maybe 10-20 islets close to Turkish coastline. Don't be shocked but in the rest of the world islands have rights like the mainland with 12 miles EEZ and you can't bypass another country island and claim the waters behind it.... that is total stupidity and it will never happen stop dreaming. The Turkish claims that islands don't have EEZ is just total nationalistic bullshit.Third and final you have also 12 miles of EEZ and if the territories clush each other they cut in half that simple there is no bypassing the islands bullshit we hear from turkish politicians there is no such thing this will never happen with Greece there would be a war
@@kimonasv we surrounded greece from albania and macedonia. We will also come from the Aegean Sea, Western Thrace and Edirne. Raise your hands. We are coming.🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@ercanmeti you did what ? hahaha that was a funny statement. Albanians and Scopjians can't even afford an army what are you talking about..Everything in Scopje is owned by Greeks.Electricity banks super markets fuel and beside that both Albania and Scopje hates you more than Greeks.Bulgarians also hate you how you gonna get there with your RC windplanes? Turkey will get hit very very hard if you try stupid things and probably lose grounds again and get economic sanctions for life.we have by far superior airforce and navy and also there is France Usa Egypt and Israel defence agreements. We are waiting for you and we never surrender
This "conflict" is just a business opportunity for politicians on both sides
I totally agree with you we Turkish people love you. 🇹🇷 🇬🇷
@@hakankaya3209 We both have mafia families in power, and we both have to revolt
@@Wok_Agenda i dont think you are as bad as us. at least you have some amount of democracy (thankfully). your people are happy and your press is free, you can act free (i saw serious left wing movements in thessaloniki)
@@tunauslu2426 I can't say the press is free, this new government gave TV licenses for free and also gave away 40 million euros to all big stations, the news is just stupid propaganda I mean REALLY stupid
They just use this conflict to distract people from real problems. At least that's the situation in Turkey...
Nicely explained.
Aaaah yes... In Spain we have a similar problem with Morocco, which is basically
unilaterally stealing maritime territory with valuable resources in the economic zone of the Canary Islands, while our government does ... nothing.
Israel Greece Cyprus & Egypt plus Italy,France & PA (who are also members of the EastMed Gas Forum) are an example of how resources are a factor uniting people to cooperate on the contrary to Turkish war mongering games played in the East Med.
The EEZ claimed by Greece is simply funny, unrealistic and unfair. Just by owning an island which you cannot even see in a map you cannot own a eez like that there are a lot of examples about it chech out gibraltar or french-british eez. When you insist on this claims it makes you the warmongering side. Also when you have more countries in your side that doesn't make you rightful too. Because almost all the countries on your side have profit to be on your side. Eu seeks for an alternative to russian gas and they want to bypass any countries other than eu countires. So this areas are rightfully Turkish and you have to sit down stop being the little cringe kid of eu. All you do is owning more money to Germany :D
@HDplay yo chill bro Turkish economy is currently bad but not as bad as you guys think. Personally my family has a decent amount of money and even my sister is spending nearly 4k euros a month single handedly in Amsterdam which she is studying at. So trying to hit me with money is not a good idea. And about international laws as i mentioned before you should check Gibraltar or French-British or Spain-Morocco EEZs to be talking about international laws. You don't own that type of EEZ right it is clear. Just stop being toxic to Eu and world will be a better place. Also i cannot blame you about insisting that much because Greece is a country that produces and exports nothing technologic and currently in a big amount of debts and you must find a shit to make money and live. Surely Greek economy would be one of the worst in the world unless they were an eu member so stop being that cringe and sit on your asses. Your country even owns its freedom to Russians :)
Another banger of a video my guy
This is the most unbiased information on this topic between the conflict of two nations. I would really rely on whatever neo says.
Edit: except when it comes to my country ofcourse.
No word about the "Casus Belli" of Turkey against Greece! No word about the implementation of The Law of the Sea! Only the demilitarized status of the Greek Islands! Very fair approach!
ολα αυτα ειναι μαλακιες αφου τους τουρκους δεν τους πιστευει κανεις οτι και να κανουν τα νερα αυτα ελεγχονται απο τον ελληνοκυπριακο στολο
I could finally say I found a non biased TH-camr.
A couple of things you skiped.The Turkish Libya deal has been rejected by Libyan parliament , it is not law. In Libya. Greek Egyptian deal has been retified by both parliaments & has been submitted to UN. Turkey invaded & occupied 40 % of Cyprus in 1974, this is why the Northern part of Cyprus has NOT been recognized by any other country except Turkey.
There are a handful of counties that have NOT signed UN law of the sea, Turkey being one of these. So therefore Turkey is making up its own rules of the sea clashing with Greece who is following UN law of the sea.. this is the truth....
ingilizce konuşmaya gerek bile yok. çünkü içemiz de o kadar çok hain var ki. bütün dünya üzerime gelse korkmam fakat kardeş gözüyle baktığım birisi çelme takmaya çalışırsa işte o ihanetten korkarım. ne çektiyse millet içinde ona ihanet edenlerden çekti.
The Greek - Egypt agreement is based on the international law. On the contrary the Turkish-lybian agreement was not. The above mentioned comment was made, among others, by the EU and USA. So, authenticity and law basis of Greek argument should be underlined overpassing the turkish aggrement
Fantastic intro btw.
Turkish-Lybian agreement is an international agreement, Lybia is a country at least as greece
@@MrYalcincavdar Libya is in civil war, divided and the agreement was against the Sea Law. So, it is not so authentic. Only two countries in the planet do not recognize the Sea Law. Turkey and China. This fact means a lot, don't you think??
Excellent work Neo 👍
One small correction. Turkey follows the 12 nm of the UNCLOS in the Black Sea, so the map around 3:07 is not correct at the black sea part.
This map at 3:07 is not eez map
@@mikewillis6033 The below is copy-paste from a U.S. Department of State document of 1971.
"The Government of Turkey, on May 15, 1964, promulgated Law No. 476 concerning the
territorial waters of the state. Article 4 provides for the construction of straight baselines
where the national coast is indented or is bordered by islands. The text of the law, which
also defines the limits of the territorial sea as 6 nautical miles in the Aegean and
Mediterranean seas and 12 nautical miles in the Black Sea"
So Turkey proclaimed the 12nm in Black Seas as territorial sea and not as simple EEZ, following the UNCLOS.
Which pretty much display the hypocrisy of Turkey on this subject in the Mediterranean.
In case someone is confused on EEZ vs territorial sea:
"the jurisdiction of the coastal state within the EEZ only pertains to natural resources (fish, offshore oil, and gas), while the coastal state has full jurisdiction within its territorial sea."
@@archaeaoris900 according to unclos eez s of both countries overlapping, this case needs to be resolved at international courts like nicaragua-columbia case, mutual aggreements, by war or remain unresolved.
@@mikewillis6033
1) You agree that the map is wrong, right? Because this was your initial comment.
2) Columbia had to provide evidence to the court that fishing activities took place continuously over many decades or centuries, in what is supposed to be Nicaraguan EEZ in order for its islands to get their own EEZ inside the Nicaraguan EEZ (west of the island). Greek islanders have been using the sea around the Greek islands from the beginning of time.
And even after the court's decision, the issue is still open, since Columbia doesn't recognise the court ruling.
3) On the places that overlap (between the Greek islands and Turkey's shore), the general rule is that the exact middle should taken as the edge between them. The problem is that Turkey doesn't recognise the Greek islands at all, so it doesn't let Greece has EEZ and territorial sea, even between the Greek mainland and the Greek islands.
4) As long as Turkey doesn't recognise the Greek islands, making a mutual agreement very difficult, there are only the 3 possibilities that you said:
i) ICJ (which still will not really solve anything, since it can't really make the parties follow its rule)
ii) war
iii) unresolved
Thank you for summarizing this issue with no biases. It has gotten increasingly difficult to differentiate what is fact and what is opinion in this matter. I am Greek and all I hear from our media is "Turkey is undermining our rights to these regions and threatening war." rather than we are both trying to politically screw over the other to get access to oil and gas.
Αλλα η συμφωνια που υπογραψαμε εμεις οπως και τα περισσοτερα κρατη δεν λεει ξεκαθαρα οτι τα υδατα αυτα ειναι δικα μας? η κανω λαθος?
@@hellohi8181 Ναι αυτό λέω! Απλά μεχρι τώρα δεν ειχα ακούσει το γεγονώς οτι η Τουρκία έχει την δικιά της κοσμοθεωρία χαχα.
There was clear bias in the video. Presenting the Turkish-Libyan agreement as having the same legitimacy as the Greek-Egyptian one is biased. The Greek-Egyptian one is firmly rooted in international law and at all times respects the equidistant line. The Turkish-libyan one practically ignores the existence of Greece and Egypt. Additionally, the Greeks are not attempting to enforce their claims by threats of violence. The Turks however are, which is in violation of the UN Charter. Because Turkey knows its wrong.
@@johanlassen6448 Thanks for clarifying!
Very good explanation.
Is it just me or does the Turkish claims for the sea look a little far fetched?
I understand that they don’t seem to get a lot of the Aegean sea as a result of the Greek and Cypriot islands but you cant have your own exclusive economic zone stretching hundreds of km from your shore while limiting Greece’s area to a few km off of Crete and Rhodes…
no fully tbh Greeces is like way to big but turkeys is pushing it like poor Cyprus gets wrapped around like huh?
Why does Greece have islands literally on turkey, that's not fair is it
@@myakhilabilepogba9959 the Islands of Greece have been Greek for thousands of years. What is not fair that we live in our country ?
@@myakhilabilepogba9959 yeah actually half of what is now considered turkey was once greece,so it makes sense that islands near turkey are inhabited by greeks and belong to greece
@@myakhilabilepogba9959 Im not sure I understand. Were these islands inhabited mostly by Greeks throughout history or was there ever a point in time where these islands were inhabited more by Turks then Greeks?
The channel islands are closer to France but they are British, by your logic does this mean they should be French?