Jackson made his music with his mouth for producers to copy. It’s just a fact. That’s why most jackson hits written by him, like dangerous, Billy Jean… etc etc say “written and composed by Michael Jackson” on the sleeve. I’ve heard the home demo tapes of beat it etc and Billy Jean and they were layered on tape he sang the drums , the baseline etc on beat it he sang that guitar riff bro. The dude sang his music and then put vocals on top. Producers like Quincy literally had to copy what Jackson was conveying
mj was a musical genius from childhood on. he is the greatest in this business. and teddy is kind of the same like mj. 'cause teddy started beatmakin' as a kid. and therefore teddy's also musical genius. the dangerous album is an historical mj and teddy riley new jack swing longplayer.
I trusted you Teddy Riley. You lost my trust and betrayed me as a Michael Jackson fan. The “Michael” album released in 2010 a year after Michael died was a way for fans to grieve the loss of our icon and part ways with the loss. The fact you used another man’s voice to sing music we thought was Michael- and now we find out bc your caught 10+ years later is BULLSHIT. You don’t care. Nobody in Hollywood cares. All you people care about is fame and money. Once the person is dead you could care less. I am SICK of phonies…
Whenever you're speaking to a "real New Yorker" they can articulate a story like no other, you can basically picture everything that Mr. Riley is saying, it's just like his music; you see it, hear it & feel it. This man is an amazing legend
I was thinking overrated. Mike didn't have the production chops to make it on his own as a producer if he wasn't already "Michael Jackson" the singer. No artist ever said "I need a hit record, I should probably call Michael Jackson to produce."
@@hirokomlm131 They actually did.. Diana Ross had him write & produce Muscles & Eaten Alive. He also produced the Simpsons song “Do the Bartman”. He just didn’t have time.
@@hirokomlm131 You're mistaken, He wasn't a producer by trade but was a brilliant producer, do you get the difference? He produced/wrote many great songs that he was the artist on (Jacksons & solo).
@@D.A.Y.O Yeah, I get the difference exactly. I'm in the music business. I've produced music. There are producers by trade who have a signature sound and are paid to "finish" your song and make it fit into a certain genre or trend. Producers know their equipment inside and out and have their go to instruments or go to session players that they call to get a certain sound. Then you have people like MJ who get producers "credit". Maybe he was in the room and gave Quincy Jones or a Teddy Riley a couple of suggestions and then he got put on the album as "co producer". Maybe he made a couple of demos and then passed them on to real producers who finished them. Bottom line, MJ never produced any of his own albums solo, not did he produce other artists albums. He HIRED producers. No producer hires a producer.
Exactly. He wasn’t ready for her ideas. She was always more forthcoming and open about herself and her sexuality. In the closet was whatever besides Naomi being hot in the video. I’m glad she didn’t do anything with him after the Academy Awards. Prince was a far better match with her.
What he is not telling is that Michael rejected the Madonna's idea for the concept of the video of the song. She said that the name of the song was really an invitation to do something riskeé but Michael wasn't into that "idea". They missed the opportunity to make something greater! It would have been amazing!
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You can listen to the Dangerous version Teddy is referring too. It sounded more like it should be a song off Bad...very 80s MJ vibes produced by his engineer but composed by MJ. They wanted Teddy to see what he could do to make it sound more relevant & he basically gave it new life which really impressed the engineer. I forget his name(he passed away recently, an old white dude) but the engineer ended up only producing the ballads on the Dangerous album(all composed by MJ). The only new jack swing song MJ composed on the album was Jam which again was given to Teddy & he turned it into a full song. Also, supposedly the original MJ version of Joy was uptempo & sortve a house song. Other songs that didnt make the album were used for the Blood on the Dance Floor EP(which in my opinion the 2 horror themed songs seemed to be Teddy trying to create MJ's next Thriller style song hence the spooky lyrics lol). MJ also had been hired to do an Addams Family film song w/ Riley after this album but the demo(which is on youtube) got scrapped because of the allegations against him so they used MC Hammer instead. Back to Dangerous, In the Closet & She Drives Me Wild were very much coached by MJ cuz he wanted TR to produce songs using original sounds that nobody uses. Thats why you get all the car honking, car door slamming, & glass breaking on those songs & Jam. Almost all the percussion on She Drives Me Wild arent drums but samples of real sounds & noises. Dont forget MJ himself made it his style to beat box & use that as part of the percussion & groove of many songs. Plus MJ would snap his fingers while singing so you can often hear that under the snares lol. When he really liked a take, he'd settle on it even if it was just the demo. Alot of takes from the In the Closet demo are in the final song(mainly background vocals). That whole thing Kanye does where he mutters & mumbles a melody until he figures out the words....he got that from MJ, but 90% of the time he would re-record actual lyrics where as Ye be leaving that nonsense in the final record lol. The last sortve bridge part in In the Closet though were Mike is singing "something about you babeh" where he starts going off was one of the few times MJ left the mumbling demo in the song. When you hear him saying what sounds like "Smile bebeh" & singing stuff you cant make out was him just vibing freestyling melody trying to figure out lyrics & how he wants to sing those parts but he liked it & couldnt figure out what to say so he left it in the final cut as sortve a background vocal. Also an interesting insight I noticed as a real fan: one thing MJ & Prince had in common & Ye for that matter is theyre all Pisces Moon signs. As a self proclaimed very creative Pisces Sun sign, it made sense to me to find that link as a possible explanation for the creativity. I was creative my whole life, Mike was, Ye was, & apparently Prince was(theres a video that came out recently of Prince as a little kid on the local news & people knew it was him because he looked & acted exactly the same as he did when he was grown...very opinionated & expressive lol). -Mr J(an upcoming artist bringing back new jack swing & real RnB...oh & my sources: all the Teddy Riley, MJ, & MJ related interviews that exist on the web lol)
I think that Madonna sort of copied or at least looked at the style of music, to me, that prince, janet, and mj were doing at this time. I think that she did a good job with her 1992 album and take a bow.
@@rvegas81 There was alot of style biting by errbody in the industry back then including MJ(wanting more funk to compete w/ Prince). Madonna however only really contributed to her lyrics. She was the beginning of the industry plant era where you found artists who "produce" always needing their magical phantom "co-producer" there to make the magic. You quickly note who the real song writer is though when she co produces w/ someone else & loses her entire sound as that producer goes on to magically still have it w/ o her lol. In other words, she was & still isnt a song writer nor producer & even most all her lyrics needed actual professionals names listed as i presume they did most the work their as well. Throw in the fact that she cant even really sing(acapella for instance, her voice aint it)& it becomes clear why she had to sell sex to sell records. She is the Lucille Ball of her era: highly esteemed & remembered but pretty much 100% the product of the people working behind her & little else w/ o them. J-Lo is another case except she could dance well. True talents like Mariah Carey even borderline went this path hence her fallout w/ her producer Walter Afanasieff who did all the ballads on the Emotions album. She didnt like him producing for Celine Dion(a less soulful singer w/ a stronger voice) & revealing to the world that the songs Mariah "co wrote" w/ him were 90% his sound via Celine's first album w/ him sounding partly like the Emotions album(backup singers & all). They fell out over her diva pride & jealousy as she too was a wild child behind the scenes sleeping her way to the top(despite actually having talent unlike Madonna). He abandoned that ballad style overall out of respect & gave Celine a new ballad style hence that Titanic theme. He used it maybe once more years later in a more modern style for Tina Arena(song called No Shame). Mariah worked w/ him on albums after that situation because he made hits for her(like that Christmas song)but she was feeling him less & less til she finally dropped him & refused to work w/ him despite fans questioning why(cuz he was still friends w/ her ex who put her in the industry). I guess my long winded point is the industry was a mess. Even MJ has private calls leaked where he shat on Madonna being a wild & mean spirited person who felt upset she wasnt on his level(cuz female fans scream louder for men & her male fanbase whom her sex appeal reached dont scream at shows like females lol). So giving credit where its due, salute to her producers for her better work, not her lol. Even Lord Jamar peeped that her debut was her being given an urban black sound lol. That Celine album i mentioned was the same...the cringe music videos are funny to watch(that whole "see i lack rhythm but im cool w/ the blacks" vibe lol). Mariah still jealous of her to this day for out singing her on multiple occasions.
Madonna said that if she was going to be apart of it, she wanted the music video to be all the way out there... She wanted Michael to essentially "come out the closet" in the music video by kissing a man etc, because Madonna was known for shock value... Michael said he wasn't down with that. Her words.
Well after Michael went out with her at the Oscars. He really didn't enjoy her energy so much. I heard one tape where he was complaining to someone about that night.
Jackson hated her but she was desperate to collaborate with him and I think Michael did this on purpose to tease her and get the pleasure of quite literally sacking her. That’s why he sent teddy 😂😂
she was mean to him and i think she was rude to his fans as well so i don't blame MJ for hating her and feel uncomfortable around her cause I would be to and in my opinion i think it was a fake relationship, she i wouldn't consider Michael's type he liked models and simpletons.
@@ChokeslamToHell he did. He called her a jealous witch. Also said she was evil. Go listen to the tapes he was recorded on a phone call you can get it on TH-cam. The one where he famously says “he can suck my socks” about someone
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Madonna was famous at the time but we gotta be serious about the actual career MJ had before we speak. As much fame, many awards, record sales reached from age 11- 30 🤷🏾♂️
@@tias.6675 acting like she wasn’t hotter than him at the time of in the closet would be ridiculous. In the closet was not played that much. The video was whatever (besides the Naomi feature) Madonna didn’t come from a family of performers she did things on her own. She put her life out there so many times when Michael just never really opened himself in that way. He was perpetrating with that sham marriage along other things.
Madonna tried to change the concept, make it into some gay shit and Mike wasn’t wit it lol. Wanted him to cut his hair, look more “east coast” than west coast rock band with the buckled and strapped pants etc etc.
Its not exactly the true story. Oh and btw michael is not solo on that song. Princess of monaco sings the female part. But in the video its naomi campbell. Anyway the reason mj backed up on madonna was because madonna wanted mj to dress like female and madonna wanted to dress like a man in the video. Mj denied and backed away from her
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As much as I love Teddy's tracks with Michael, I feel they eventually lead to Michael doing songs that were too beat driven and choppy. If he worked more with Babyface and R.Kelly, I believe Michael could've made another monster album that rivaled Thriller.
Dangerous is the most 🔥 MJ album to me.. Teddy Riley n MJ would be counted as one of the greatest duos in music history if it wasn’t for all that bs drama that the media went stupid with in the 90’s ..
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I didn’t have intentions or think this would be something I would really consider watching or content I look for but it’s very intriguing and I’m definitely gonna watch the whole episode
I probably play more from off the wall than any other MJ album without a doubt. The documentary on it is good. Apparently off the wall was inspired from MJ hanging out at studio54 when filming the wiz.
Agree with a duet with Madonna at that time the song will hit Number 1 both in USA and UK cos with MJ alone singing it the song only reached Top 10 in both USA and UK
but if the chemistry wasn’t right, it just wasn’t right and she probably woulda lied and tried to get credit for something she didn’t do and everybody woulda believed her
Nah Madonna is a powerful and seductive woman. She could hold her on. Michael Jackson was shy and timid and couldn’t handle a woman like that. Even Tupac and Dennis Rodman who are notorious bad boys couldn’t keep up with Madonna. She would have tried to take over the song. Their both great but I can’t see any chemistry between them.
@@chinopicasso132 Nah Madonna is dominating the sex vibes in the 90s and In The Closet is her thing and she will major this track and scaled it up on the top spot cos Closet highest position was Number 6 while Madonna took Erotica to Number 3 so Madonna was unstoppable and shes tougher than MJ
The amount of times he said "they left me" haha, poor Teddy Riley! I understand why he was uncomfortable though. Totally fair. I am content with the official version of In The Closet. 😂🙏🏼
No way. Madonna was powerful and seductive. Michael was looking for true love. She would have used him up and moved on. Even Tupac and Dennis Rodman didn’t stand a chance with her.
In the closet MJ had sitting there,princess Stephanie of Morocco was the voice, now the music video voice sounds like Diana ross, you can tell MJ songs by the handicaps, synth strings and groove,Teddy riley was actually battling Bryan Loren for the production duties on Dangerous, Serious effect missed the cut,I don't know why,Bill Bottrel worked on the bad album, he ended up working with irony of irony Sheryl Crow on her Tuesday night club album,you can hear his distinctive guitar vibe which was on display for " give in to me" Michael Jackson was notorious for sitting on tracks for years, or saving them as next projects
He's holding back so much in this interview. Madonna tried to seduce MJ and he turned her down. Then Madonna said some bad things about him in the press. Janet and Mariah defended him and started beefing with Madonna. Years later MJ said Madonna was a jealous witch. Keep it real.
@@JB-pl1iu All the way into irrelevant land where she's looking desperate for attention on an award show in her 60's wearing lingerie... 🤔. She should've called it quits in the 90's, which was the last time she was relevant.
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I still don't understand why he left him there 🤣😂 Tbe explanation makes no sense. I feel like Mike was throwing Teddy at her so she leave him alone 🤣😂 Mike a foo!
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OMG 😆 🫢😂😂😂😂😂🤣. Stank Box. Madonna should’ve done porn because at that time so many men ran through her and even more afterwards. Tupac, Dennis Rodman, Scottie pippen etc.
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Teddy clearly wants to speak on the creative price also ….Sometimes vlad should just let the guests speak on what transpired and how rather than pitch what he considers the ‘juice’
@@JB-pl1iu She was bigger in gay clubs and with suburban Soccer moms named Karen. But to those who created the music, MJ and Prince were in a league of their own. Madonna, on the other hand, was a talentless safe version of blk music. But those she was created for and marketed to, thought she was legit.
Y’all gotta see madonnas take on why he didn’t want to move forward with her on “Keep it in the Closet.” It was simply creative differences. They were working on writing the song together, and Madonna wanted to push the envelope further with the concept and the lyrics, since the term “Keep it in the Closet”, would have been quite provocative at the time. MJ just wanted the innuendo of the song title at the time. Gotta remember, this was around the same time that she was in her “Sex” book era, and was just wild with “adult” themes. Either way, the Dangerous Album was fantastic and they both are simply ICONIC.
She was an industry plant from the get go. Wrote nothing on the debut album & aint got a voice worth hearing twice. She relied 100% on gimmicks: producers, white girl doing "urban" music, & later "hey look at me, im taking off my clothes!". Like the industry did often, they salvaged her by listing her as co producer on many songs which i suppose she was in a DJ Khaled do nothing but capitalize on the producer's work sortve way aka executively produce. Mike had already saw her as wild & nasty by then(sourced by his leaked phone calls)& as someone who would write 50 plus songs before making an album, he likely was just testing the waters & like she said, wasnt interested in her nasty twists. Good for him lol.
i think that madonna really suffered a bit from her justify my love stage. But the interesting thing for me-is that her erotica album and MJ's dangerous album sort of complent each other.
That’s one of my favorite MJ Songs. That “In the Closet” Beat is stupid. That’s a certified slapp
Every beat on the Dangerous album is legendary. A real slice of history.
What Jaren + Igg said ☝️🔥🔥🔥🔊🔊
Facts. The classical piano intro into the drum track is 🔥
I love that he gave Michael Jackson credit for that Dangerous beat instead of saying it was all his ideas and just said he just helped beefed it up.
Because all the information is out there
Jackson made his music with his mouth for producers to copy. It’s just a fact. That’s why most jackson hits written by him, like dangerous, Billy Jean… etc etc say “written and composed by Michael Jackson” on the sleeve. I’ve heard the home demo tapes of beat it etc and Billy Jean and they were layered on tape he sang the drums , the baseline etc on beat it he sang that guitar riff bro. The dude sang his music and then put vocals on top. Producers like Quincy literally had to copy what Jackson was conveying
You love it huh 🤣
@@TheTexan99 wtf you gay or something? Weirdo
mj was a musical genius from childhood on.
he is the greatest in this business.
and teddy is kind of the same like mj.
'cause teddy started beatmakin' as a kid.
and therefore teddy's also musical genius.
the dangerous album is an historical mj and
teddy riley new jack swing longplayer.
This guy gave us some our best beats growing up. LEGEND!
Teddy riley one of the greatest of all time this guy a Legend for real
Idk who u are but u is a troll
He looks exactly the same after 30 years, its crazy. Even has the same goatee lol.
Teddy Riley is another Musical Genius Like Prince & MJ👏👏👏
I trusted you Teddy Riley. You lost my trust and betrayed me as a Michael Jackson fan. The “Michael” album released in 2010 a year after Michael died was a way for fans to grieve the loss of our icon and part ways with the loss. The fact you used another man’s voice to sing music we thought was Michael- and now we find out bc your caught 10+ years later is BULLSHIT. You don’t care. Nobody in Hollywood cares. All you people care about is fame and money. Once the person is dead you could care less. I am SICK of phonies…
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Even Teddy his sweater reminds me of the Dangerous cover.
Whenever you're speaking to a "real New Yorker" they can articulate a story like no other, you can basically picture everything that Mr. Riley is saying, it's just like his music; you see it, hear it & feel it. This man is an amazing legend
Teddy Riley is a modern day Mozart, a truly gifted genius.
How humble is that for that man to admit nope Mike did that. Teddy Riley was one of the Goats before but I have even more respect for him now.
In the closet is my favorite on Dangerous... The vibe on this track are the unique sound of the great genius Teddy...
Keep It In The Closet is the #1 /trackbeat every made...it has so many layers so much nuance aggggg
I'd love to see Brad, from In The Studio With MJ, do a podcast with Teddy on how Dangerous was made. That album is FIRE.
Michael Jackson is the greatest artist of all time
100
Eh nope its Madonna is the greatest of them all
@@bobafett5757 you're crazy
Μadonna is so much better and more sane.
@@megalesalithies4092 get out of here step
Keep them teddy riley interviews coming
Michael Jackson, very underrated Producer.
I was thinking overrated. Mike didn't have the production chops to make it on his own as a producer if he wasn't already "Michael Jackson" the singer.
No artist ever said "I need a hit record, I should probably call Michael Jackson to produce."
@@hirokomlm131 They actually did.. Diana Ross had him write & produce Muscles & Eaten Alive. He also produced the Simpsons song “Do the Bartman”. He just didn’t have time.
@@globalcitizenn Thanks for proving my point. How high did those songs chart?
@@hirokomlm131 You're mistaken, He wasn't a producer by trade but was a brilliant producer, do you get the difference? He produced/wrote many great songs that he was the artist on (Jacksons & solo).
@@D.A.Y.O Yeah, I get the difference exactly. I'm in the music business. I've produced music. There are producers by trade who have a signature sound and are paid to "finish" your song and make it fit into a certain genre or trend. Producers know their equipment inside and out and have their go to instruments or go to session players that they call to get a certain sound.
Then you have people like MJ who get producers "credit". Maybe he was in the room and gave Quincy Jones or a Teddy Riley a couple of suggestions and then he got put on the album as "co producer". Maybe he made a couple of demos and then passed them on to real producers who finished them. Bottom line, MJ never produced any of his own albums solo, not did he produce other artists albums. He HIRED producers. No producer hires a producer.
I’ve heard this story from Madonna’s perspective. Their Oscar moment was the only *collab* I needed 🤷🏾♂️😂💯
Exactly. He wasn’t ready for her ideas. She was always more forthcoming and open about herself and her sexuality. In the closet was whatever besides Naomi being hot in the video.
I’m glad she didn’t do anything with him after the Academy Awards. Prince was a far better match with her.
@@taintedlife2618 Precisely 💯
@@taintedlife2618 l am glad MJ didn't do anything with Modonna too. The song turn out great.
Love the video, and l heard Princess Stephanie of Monaco was the female on the song.
What he is not telling is that Michael rejected the Madonna's idea for the concept of the video of the song. She said that the name of the song was really an invitation to do something riskeé but Michael wasn't into that "idea". They missed the opportunity to make something greater! It would have been amazing!
It would have been amazing ...
But then i always think the girl in the song is given me madonna vibes anyway 😂
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I love She Drives Me Wild that's my favorite song off The Dangerous Album 🔥🎤🎶🔈🔉🔊
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So good!
Same! The whole album is a classic
You should check out the slowed reverb versionof She Drives Me Wild
@@Shamyrl remember the time was the best song off of dangerous album.
Michael jackson is the Greatest of All Time and Dangerous is my favorite album of all time
You can listen to the Dangerous version Teddy is referring too. It sounded more like it should be a song off Bad...very 80s MJ vibes produced by his engineer but composed by MJ. They wanted Teddy to see what he could do to make it sound more relevant & he basically gave it new life which really impressed the engineer.
I forget his name(he passed away recently, an old white dude) but the engineer ended up only producing the ballads on the Dangerous album(all composed by MJ). The only new jack swing song MJ composed on the album was Jam which again was given to Teddy & he turned it into a full song.
Also, supposedly the original MJ version of Joy was uptempo & sortve a house song. Other songs that didnt make the album were used for the Blood on the Dance Floor EP(which in my opinion the 2 horror themed songs seemed to be Teddy trying to create MJ's next Thriller style song hence the spooky lyrics lol). MJ also had been hired to do an Addams Family film song w/ Riley after this album but the demo(which is on youtube) got scrapped because of the allegations against him so they used MC Hammer instead.
Back to Dangerous, In the Closet & She Drives Me Wild were very much coached by MJ cuz he wanted TR to produce songs using original sounds that nobody uses. Thats why you get all the car honking, car door slamming, & glass breaking on those songs & Jam. Almost all the percussion on She Drives Me Wild arent drums but samples of real sounds & noises.
Dont forget MJ himself made it his style to beat box & use that as part of the percussion & groove of many songs. Plus MJ would snap his fingers while singing so you can often hear that under the snares lol. When he really liked a take, he'd settle on it even if it was just the demo.
Alot of takes from the In the Closet demo are in the final song(mainly background vocals). That whole thing Kanye does where he mutters & mumbles a melody until he figures out the words....he got that from MJ, but 90% of the time he would re-record actual lyrics where as Ye be leaving that nonsense in the final record lol.
The last sortve bridge part in In the Closet though were Mike is singing "something about you babeh" where he starts going off was one of the few times MJ left the mumbling demo in the song. When you hear him saying what sounds like "Smile bebeh" & singing stuff you cant make out was him just vibing freestyling melody trying to figure out lyrics & how he wants to sing those parts but he liked it & couldnt figure out what to say so he left it in the final cut as sortve a background vocal.
Also an interesting insight I noticed as a real fan: one thing MJ & Prince had in common & Ye for that matter is theyre all Pisces Moon signs. As a self proclaimed very creative Pisces Sun sign, it made sense to me to find that link as a possible explanation for the creativity. I was creative my whole life, Mike was, Ye was, & apparently Prince was(theres a video that came out recently of Prince as a little kid on the local news & people knew it was him because he looked & acted exactly the same as he did when he was grown...very opinionated & expressive lol).
-Mr J(an upcoming artist bringing back new jack swing & real RnB...oh & my sources: all the Teddy Riley, MJ, & MJ related interviews that exist on the web lol)
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I think that Madonna sort of copied or at least looked at the style of music, to me, that prince, janet, and mj were doing at this time. I think that she did a good job with her 1992 album and take a bow.
@@rvegas81 There was alot of style biting by errbody in the industry back then including MJ(wanting more funk to compete w/ Prince).
Madonna however only really contributed to her lyrics. She was the beginning of the industry plant era where you found artists who "produce" always needing their magical phantom "co-producer" there to make the magic.
You quickly note who the real song writer is though when she co produces w/ someone else & loses her entire sound as that producer goes on to magically still have it w/ o her lol. In other words, she was & still isnt a song writer nor producer & even most all her lyrics needed actual professionals names listed as i presume they did most the work their as well.
Throw in the fact that she cant even really sing(acapella for instance, her voice aint it)& it becomes clear why she had to sell sex to sell records. She is the Lucille Ball of her era: highly esteemed & remembered but pretty much 100% the product of the people working behind her & little else w/ o them. J-Lo is another case except she could dance well.
True talents like Mariah Carey even borderline went this path hence her fallout w/ her producer Walter Afanasieff who did all the ballads on the Emotions album. She didnt like him producing for Celine Dion(a less soulful singer w/ a stronger voice) & revealing to the world that the songs Mariah "co wrote" w/ him were 90% his sound via Celine's first album w/ him sounding partly like the Emotions album(backup singers & all).
They fell out over her diva pride & jealousy as she too was a wild child behind the scenes sleeping her way to the top(despite actually having talent unlike Madonna). He abandoned that ballad style overall out of respect & gave Celine a new ballad style hence that Titanic theme.
He used it maybe once more years later in a more modern style for Tina Arena(song called No Shame). Mariah worked w/ him on albums after that situation because he made hits for her(like that Christmas song)but she was feeling him less & less til she finally dropped him & refused to work w/ him despite fans questioning why(cuz he was still friends w/ her ex who put her in the industry). I guess my long winded point is the industry was a mess.
Even MJ has private calls leaked where he shat on Madonna being a wild & mean spirited person who felt upset she wasnt on his level(cuz female fans scream louder for men & her male fanbase whom her sex appeal reached dont scream at shows like females lol). So giving credit where its due, salute to her producers for her better work, not her lol.
Even Lord Jamar peeped that her debut was her being given an urban black sound lol. That Celine album i mentioned was the same...the cringe music videos are funny to watch(that whole "see i lack rhythm but im cool w/ the blacks" vibe lol). Mariah still jealous of her to this day for out singing her on multiple occasions.
@@gtizzle7606 yup
😂😂😂he said ‘I didn’t wanna be like Devante’ 😂😂😂😂 Madonna do magic things!
Mike tried to feed Teddy to Madonna 😂
Yup 😂😂😂
😂
MJ forever... R.I.P.
Goat
It was slick how he told on Devante tho😂😂
Riiight!!! 😆
Dangerous album is a classic!
I know mike did a lot of his drum tracks with the beat box, but could you imagine MJ on the MPC?!? 😮
He had a MPC 3000 or atleast access to it. It was used on will you be there. You can see it in the home video 📹
Imagine watching one of the greatest entertainers of all time get down on a drum machine. Seeing that in an intimacy setting gotta be mind blowing
Eu adorei ele e a naomi campel
Mj tocava piano ediizem que támbem bateria mais fazia instrumento com a boca
Mj tocava piano ediizem que támbem bateria mais fazia instrumento com a boca
Mj tocava piano ediizem que támbem bateria mais fazia instrumento com a boca
Teddy has such a great spirit about him....
Madonna said that if she was going to be apart of it, she wanted the music video to be all the way out there... She wanted Michael to essentially "come out the closet" in the music video by kissing a man etc, because Madonna was known for shock value... Michael said he wasn't down with that. Her words.
Well after Michael went out with her at the Oscars. He really didn't enjoy her energy so much. I heard one tape where he was complaining to someone about that night.
Jackson hated her but she was desperate to collaborate with him and I think Michael did this on purpose to tease her and get the pleasure of quite literally sacking her. That’s why he sent teddy 😂😂
she was mean to him and i think she was rude to his fans as well so i don't blame MJ for hating her and feel uncomfortable around her cause I would be to and in my opinion i think it was a fake relationship, she i wouldn't consider Michael's type he liked models and simpletons.
@@chazbayley Nah, he didn’t hate her, they were just different people.
@@ChokeslamToHell he did. He called her a jealous witch. Also said she was evil. Go listen to the tapes he was recorded on a phone call you can get it on TH-cam. The one where he famously says “he can suck my socks” about someone
@@chazbayley Yeah, the Shmuli tapes. I don’t think he really hated her, though. Professional rivalry mixed with a clash in styles.
Y did Teddy put DeVante on blast tho 🤣🤣🤣
😂🤣🤣😭😭
Thank you for the sounds Teddy, much ❤️!
Madonna has had her share of men. MJ wanted no part of her. He also said she was rude and mean at times.
Madonna would’ve tried to take over the song and video.
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Defs! 💯
Shiiid Mike already knew that's why she wasn't on it 🤣🤣
Exactly That's what those ppl do🤷🏾♂️
Of course 🤷🏾♂️💯
Madonna was famous at the time but we gotta be serious about the actual career MJ had before we speak. As much fame, many awards, record sales reached from age 11- 30 🤷🏾♂️
She’s the most famous female ever. Michael Jackson is the most famous person ever besides Jesus
She was not just "famous" at the time dude. Madonna was huge at the time. She would have 100k people in her concerts. Vlad kept facts.
Madonna was famous and successful in her own right, even if she isn't as successful as MJ.
@@tias.6675 acting like she wasn’t hotter than him at the time of in the closet would be ridiculous. In the closet was not played that much. The video was whatever (besides the Naomi feature)
Madonna didn’t come from a family of performers she did things on her own. She put her life out there so many times when Michael just never really opened himself in that way. He was perpetrating with that sham marriage along other things.
Oh no 😨 god forbid anyone states the fact that someone else other than michael was also a legend
Madonna tried to change the concept, make it into some gay shit and Mike wasn’t wit it lol. Wanted him to cut his hair, look more “east coast” than west coast rock band with the buckled and strapped pants etc etc.
Yep exactly
You was there?
@@Lenasevilla-yb4ei It's info that's out there.
@@shakaj1525 from who? And where can I find it?
@@Lenasevilla-yb4ei I think.. The detail might have video/s surrounding their dynamic overall which covers the almost-collaboration as well.
Its not exactly the true story. Oh and btw michael is not solo on that song. Princess of monaco sings the female part. But in the video its naomi campbell. Anyway the reason mj backed up on madonna was because madonna wanted mj to dress like female and madonna wanted to dress like a man in the video. Mj denied and backed away from her
She doesn't sing, she does the speaking part.
Teddy looks like he whould beg a woman, please don't leave me girl please stay with me tonight 😂
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…If she takes her love away from me I’ll go crazy. I’ll go CRA-AY-ZY!
In The Closet is a bad ass song probably the best song on The Dangerous album
This guy is a gentleman.
This gave me goosebumps. Amazing
As much as I love Teddy's tracks with Michael, I feel they eventually lead to Michael doing songs that were too beat driven and choppy. If he worked more with Babyface and R.Kelly, I believe Michael could've made another monster album that rivaled Thriller.
Very interesting video 🙂
Dangerous is the most 🔥 MJ album to me.. Teddy Riley n MJ would be counted as one of the greatest duos in music history if it wasn’t for all that bs drama that the media went stupid with in the 90’s ..
Whoa! Black Rob voice😎💯💯💯🤣🤣🤣🤣
"they left me"!!! LMAO.....scary so many would of took that down lol
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Lmaooo
Naw bro there something weird and witchy about her…those ppl got demons . I don’t know how he was even comfortable sleeping in mikes house
Sounds like he's not down with spoiled milk
Maybe that's why Tupac left her too
Also I think Madonna would have actually been dope on this track.
It would have been perfect.
Uhm....No.
@@elove2.038 Uhm yes.
I didn’t have intentions or think this would be something I would really consider watching or content I look for but it’s very intriguing and I’m definitely gonna watch the whole episode
Dangerous was a decent album, I think Michael Jackson best solo album was off the wall.
Can’t argue with that
I probably play more from off the wall than any other MJ album without a doubt. The documentary on it is good. Apparently off the wall was inspired from MJ hanging out at studio54 when filming the wiz.
In the closet is still a hit
Jam is by Bruce Swedien & Dangerous is by Bill Bottrell & MJ.. Teddy produced but Vlad get your research accurate
Brilliant for sure!
In The Closet is so fire but I can only imagine it being more fire with Madonna on it🔥🔥🔥!!! That song is so her vibe. 2 Legends🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻!!!
Agree with a duet with Madonna at that time the song will hit Number 1 both in USA and UK cos with MJ alone singing it the song only reached Top 10 in both USA and UK
but if the chemistry wasn’t right, it just wasn’t right and she probably woulda lied and tried to get credit for something she didn’t do and everybody woulda believed her
Nah Madonna is a powerful and seductive woman. She could hold her on. Michael Jackson was shy and timid and couldn’t handle a woman like that. Even Tupac and Dennis Rodman who are notorious bad boys couldn’t keep up with Madonna. She would have tried to take over the song. Their both great but I can’t see any chemistry between them.
@@chinopicasso132 Nah Madonna is dominating the sex vibes in the 90s and In The Closet is her thing and she will major this track and scaled it up on the top spot cos Closet highest position was Number 6 while Madonna took Erotica to Number 3 so Madonna was unstoppable and shes tougher than MJ
@@MrLp1980 Amen and agreed
The amount of times he said "they left me" haha, poor Teddy Riley! I understand why he was uncomfortable though. Totally fair. I am content with the official version of In The Closet. 😂🙏🏼
That was Madonna, u mite been familia on your level…., but don’t think u understand where teddy came from
He was scared cause she’s a succubus 😅😂
The problem with Teddy talking about MJ now is he blatantly lied about him singing on tracks for the Michael album.
He may have been told to.
After that date I didn't think Michael was going to mess with Madonna for the rest of his time
No way. Madonna was powerful and seductive. Michael was looking for true love. She would have used him up and moved on. Even Tupac and Dennis Rodman didn’t stand a chance with her.
In the closet MJ had sitting there,princess Stephanie of Morocco was the voice, now the music video voice sounds like Diana ross, you can tell MJ songs by the handicaps, synth strings and groove,Teddy riley was actually battling Bryan Loren for the production duties on Dangerous, Serious effect missed the cut,I don't know why,Bill Bottrel worked on the bad album, he ended up working with irony of irony Sheryl Crow on her Tuesday night club album,you can hear his distinctive guitar vibe which was on display for " give in to me" Michael Jackson was notorious for sitting on tracks for years, or saving them as next projects
It doesn't sound like Madonna, Diana or Stephanie. It sounds like LaToya.
Teddy mentioned Mike Conception...OG Crip from LA had his hands in a lot of shit
Being in Madonna's bedroom was a once in a lifetime experience. Teddy fumbled the ball. Even today I would turn that into a phenomenal experience. 😂
This is some of Vlad's best work
Closet with Madonna and Bad with Prince
What couldve been
So Madonna was tryna put it on him lmao
It was Princess Stephanie of Monaco.
Michael Jackson watched Teddy Riley make "keep it in the closet" 🤯
Crazy
It wasn't just Michael on "In the Closet." Supposedly, Princess Stephanie of Monaco was on the spoken female vocals. It sounds like LaToya, to me.
He's holding back so much in this interview. Madonna tried to seduce MJ and he turned her down. Then Madonna said some bad things about him in the press. Janet and Mariah defended him and started beefing with Madonna. Years later MJ said Madonna was a jealous witch. Keep it real.
U ain't lie once. The receipts are out there.💯
At no point was Madonna Michael's equal.
You're right. Michael's career ended in the early 90s and Madonnas kept on going and going and going
@@JB-pl1iu
All the way into irrelevant land where she's looking desperate for attention on an award show in her 60's wearing lingerie... 🤔.
She should've called it quits in the 90's, which was the last time she was relevant.
@@JB-pl1iu Michael's career is still on fire. It's not a slight against Madonna, Michael just doesn't have an equal.
@@JB-pl1iu Butterflies was big in '03. Madonna's last hit was Frozen in '98.
@@JB-pl1iu Michael's career ended when he died what the hell are you talking about?
The last room was the bedroom. Interesting and freaky 😄😄😄
Anyone know where his hoodie is from
I can't imagine hearing Madonna on that song.
Look GLAD ain't nobody equivalent to Michael Jasckson, especially Madonna.
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Madonna is the biggest female in life . Not in music but in life. Michael Jackson is the biggest ever though
Exactly!
PREACH!! White person always want to create a black equivalent.
@@TheAllnPttrsn y'all going to really say white person when your dumbasses been saying Chris Brown and Beyonce for years
Teddy was capping in some of the answers
When “In The Closet” came out, I thought it was Madonna
Michael said he wanted Teddy to meet Madonna but left him with her. Teddy wasn't with it though! 😊
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I still don't understand why he left him there 🤣😂 Tbe explanation makes no sense. I feel like Mike was throwing Teddy at her so she leave him alone 🤣😂 Mike a foo!
@@nlee4566 Mike was being a true homie and hooking up his boy wit some P.
That wasn't Michael Jackson. That was a different Michael.
Lmao bro told a completely different story 😂
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Vlad Madonna was never on Mike level!
Yeah, I didn't agree with Vlad on that statement.
FACTS
Only Michael Jackson could change his mind about Madonna 😂
I’m glad he did❤️
Madonna said a whole different thing 🤔
My favorite album from mike and that album pushed Teddy sonically what a time that must’ve been making that album
I grew up on Guy,Kane,and all that Teddy worked with♍♍💥💥👊🏾👊🏾
Teddy didn't want Madonna's stank box. 😵
OMG 😆 🫢😂😂😂😂😂🤣. Stank Box. Madonna should’ve done porn because at that time so many men ran through her and even more afterwards. Tupac, Dennis Rodman, Scottie pippen etc.
Michael used Mpc for Jam and dangerous
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The original question was why did Quincy stop working with Michael. This man starts to explain then goes all over the place. What? 😮
Teddy clearly wants to speak on the creative price also ….Sometimes vlad should just let the guests speak on what transpired and how rather than pitch what he considers the ‘juice’
Vlad, shut up! Let these legends speak fool!
Princess Stephanie of Monaco is the girl vocals on in the closet
I thought it was Janet
@@cameron_fairchild No he wouldn't be singing a song about making love with his sister would he 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dang madonna madonna madonna she got all the rappers
These clips are getting shorter & shorter again
Madonna was not as big as Michael jackson
She was bigger.
@@JB-pl1iu
She was bigger in gay clubs and with suburban Soccer moms named Karen. But to those who created the music, MJ and Prince were in a league of their own. Madonna, on the other hand, was a talentless safe version of blk music. But those she was created for and marketed to, thought she was legit.
@@janepatton8100 What a load of horseshit.
@@janepatton8100 Nobody created Madonna you dumbass. Shows how little you know. Now go collect your foodstamps.
Y’all gotta see madonnas take on why he didn’t want to move forward with her on “Keep it in the Closet.”
It was simply creative differences.
They were working on writing the song together, and Madonna wanted to push the envelope further with the concept and the lyrics, since the term “Keep it in the Closet”, would have been quite provocative at the time.
MJ just wanted the innuendo of the song title at the time.
Gotta remember, this was around the same time that she was in her “Sex” book era, and was just wild with “adult” themes.
Either way, the Dangerous Album was fantastic and they both are simply ICONIC.
She was an industry plant from the get go. Wrote nothing on the debut album & aint got a voice worth hearing twice. She relied 100% on gimmicks: producers, white girl doing "urban" music, & later "hey look at me, im taking off my clothes!".
Like the industry did often, they salvaged her by listing her as co producer on many songs which i suppose she was in a DJ Khaled do nothing but capitalize on the producer's work sortve way aka executively produce.
Mike had already saw her as wild & nasty by then(sourced by his leaked phone calls)& as someone who would write 50 plus songs before making an album, he likely was just testing the waters & like she said, wasnt interested in her nasty twists. Good for him lol.
i think that madonna really suffered a bit from her justify my love stage. But the interesting thing for me-is that her erotica album and MJ's dangerous album sort of complent each other.
Did he play any Michael jackson in versus?
He didn't need Madonna's reputation clouding up his video.
Harlem, St. Nicholas Projects, Harlem Best!!! Peace & Love, God Bless."
I wish there was a MJ podcast that just told stories from the people that knew him
What an odd story...
Tell Teddy to pay his bill..@johnjohnthemilliondollardealsaver🤔🤫🤣🤣🤣
Damn we could’ve had something special if Madonna was on it too 😭
He and Madonna never got along