Martin Wheeler is an amazing instructor. I believe that Systema can benefit any and all styles of martial arts; on breathing, on how to flow, relaxation, natural movement, leverage, and much more.
I've worked with Ryabko, Vasiliev, Puzikas and several others. Wheeler is a good teacher and he is well respected for his striking. He was the first practitioner I drilled with April 2006 and I was a complete skeptic. I would encourage anyone who may be skeptical of Systema to play around with these guys; they have something to offer.
I really dont care what they think or even you think for that matter. I was just telling you my experince. Please realise those of us that perfer to do systema training dont need to explain ourself or even prove ourselfs to you or anyone else for that matter. Again an ounce of experince is worth more then a ton of argument. God Bless
You are awesome, Martin! Ive become interested in Systema and i will attend a seminar in two weeks here in norway. Very excited to experience Systema for the first time.
Systema is principally different from Aikido. The word SYSTEM means that you don't learn a set of techniques, but develop your body in an essential way and learn body mechanics. This way you don't really know certain techniques, you just do what you see fir particular situation 'cause you have control over your body and you can control opponents body.
His videos are excellent.He is a professional writer and has excellent command of the English language. Any money invested in his video are well worth it
I've trained in Systema for 2 1/2 yrs. I'm still very much a beginner. Before that had training in karate, Aikido and Bujinkan, not to mention fights in childhood, teen years and twenties. Systema is a whole nuther animal. I'd encourage hardtongue to show up and train. My bet is he would become humble very quickly. Humility and generosity of spirit are qualities I've seen in most advanced Systema instructors.
gruntwolf Instead of challenging people to come to your clubs maybe the real test is in the street or in the ring, if a person goes to another gym then its not fair, you are surrounded by a group of systema floppy hands guys, what happens if one of them gets beaten up? the guy will get a beating, typical bully behaviour, the onus is on YOU, YOU go on the street and try that systema or in the ring with a boxer then show us the tape, that will be interesting, the demos are fake, unrealistic, bullshit, all relaxed and no fear fighting, doesnt exist in the real world, the knife attacks are totally bullshit and not the way a man will knife you, no speed, no feints, no power total bollox.
Calogero Fiore I've been there and done that--many times. Lots of fights as a teenager. Worked as an undercover dept store loss prevention guy in my twenties--I chased, fought, handcuffed many people. Plus-as I mentioned above--years of Karate, Aikido and Bujinkan. So I have some experience to evaluate Systema. But you don't. That's why I suggested you actually experience Systema--you can't 'get' it from videos. Instead, all you seem to have is some immature name-calling. Sad.
gruntwolf I did the same job, in the UK its called store detective, really horrible job cause you catch too many criminals seeing as you are undercover and not as normal security, ie. a deterrant. I definitely don't have the same experience, but my experience has been in real conflict situations not martial arts classes were your fellow students are not trying to hurt or kill you, big difference in my opinion, if you had 1 year experience in actually surviving in pubs/bars against knives, sticks, bottles an normal drunks and idiots and groups, if you did that everyday, and I came along and puffed my chest and said well Ive trained in Aikidou, wing chun, BJJ for 10 years who do you think has qualification to evaluate what works and what wont work? Of course you will. But its true I should try for myself as I have done at other clubs but it gets messy real quick as I wont take shit from some cunt throwing me around and I hit back as well. You talk about immature talk but aren't you pissed off with people who go around thinking their art is the best thing since sliced bread? I do, all I can say is that your years of karate which is a great art, aikidou (shit) have been wasted if you cant see that systema guys using just their floppy techniques would be fucked in the street against a bastard Im not talking about someone who isn't trained, against a knifeman I guarantee you IS brown bread = dead!! You talk about your experience and I wont doubt that but re you really telling me the knife defense techniques will work? If you do then lets just agree to disagree.
I have already explained to one expert who does not have any idea what the "systemа" is and I will try again for you. The "systemа" is not a sport or a martial art. The "systemа" is a practical combat system . This is why it is called "systemа" (The system). The "systemа" was developed exclusively for a KGB special operations unit and has been used around the world . Only 5 people who are former members of a special KGB unit who teach the "systemа" and know it fully. These people can kill a specially trained fighter with a couple of loose, аnnoticeable movements in broad daylight, completely unnoticed by the people around them.That's what the "systemа" is. This is precisely designed to have full control and dominance while being completely relaxed.The "systemа" uses the biological science of the human body and the laws of physics. The "systemа" includes absolutely everything, from military weapons to anything that comes to you hand. So what these people teach is only a small fraction. Basically it is a technique of movements and defenses. You will not find fancy movements in the "systemа", but by that time your fist reaches the enemy's face , who uses the "systemа", he will have time to drop you to the ground twice with a short and imperceptible foot movement from the bottom. The "systemа" is unimaginably efficient. But to evaluate the "systemа" you need to test it only оn yourself. Even masters of martial arts, who with a long experience, checked the "systemа", thay never call it BS again. This is not a fantasy. This is a well-documented fact that is confirmed by archival data that was declassified after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Actually it takes usually 1 year for someone to become fully used to the movements and relaxation of systema, and basically be able to defend himself from quite every attack. Systema is not hard to learn, as long as you are willing to relax and let yourself flow. It's certainly not like ninjitsu, systema is simple but sophisticated, just like the human mind :)
So to me someone who has been training since 9, studying and loving all martial arts, reading up on theories and applying and testing and discarding what doesn't work and keeping what does. Internal martial arts do indeed have a place and a roll to play. You can't discredit anything based on your opinions, try it, if it fails, then it doesn't work for you and move on. The teachings and finer points help with hard styles and they complement each other.
i just LOVE the fluidity of systema. it's awesome to watch. i'm just curious about it's real-world effectiveness. i almost think it's like ninjitsu where you must have the most INTENSE training 10yrs+ to even make something like this practical for yourself. the punches and blocks in systema are not standard movements at all. seems like huuuge dedication if you're even going to start learning this style at all. anyone have feedback on what i'm saying?
this reminds me of the class you held in Helsinki. I still find myself thinking about the things you tought us. Hope to see you there again sometime soon!
awesome awesome work! its very hard to stay calm during a situation, but Martin greatly demonstrates how it allows you more possibilities and a better reaction to the threat :) keep it up
You see i've only recently been looking into Systema and that's the part i've fallen in love with. the fact that even when played out slow, every single movement is either controlled by, or changed to suit the Systema practitioner. Understandably we're watching a master at work, but it just seem to be very accessible and 'simple'.
@Hardtongue, I found Mark and the Charlotte Systema group at one of the hardest times in my life. Through Systema I have changed for the better! Systema is not just a martial art it is a life art, and through it you become a better person. Don't misunderstand me it is a highly effective art training across many aspects of combat from guns, knives, ground, and striking. I encourage you and your friends to come and train with us, but please leave the egos at the door. And one suggestion before you go and play arm chair commando, go and experience the activity first. At least that way you might have some idea of what your talking about.
I ain't no fan of systema but while better half of this clip seems to make less sense but 3:47-4:00 gives me the idea that he actually understands what he should do to make the opponent go out of balance. Plus, he is very good at not letting the blade stay out of his focus. All in all, he doesn't seem like a person to be laughed at.
I'm the guy at 3:47. He's not my instructor. I went to his camp to see if he's any good. I don't know if I'm any good but this guy is better than what you can see in the video. I got schooled and he didn't break anything on me.
I like how you see the attackers in the demos think, "I'll get him this time" and then, they don't. Wish I had a school where I live, not even enough to start a group. I got my DVDs, and TH-cam with subscriptions to Martin, Vlad, Sonny, Perten, & Val.
Well, i disagree respectfully. Dont you think, that the attackers are there for training and want to feed, so that ppl can learn from it? thats not a real intention of knife attack. Martin and his "attackers" know that, because its TRAINING. How would YOU attack someone who raped your child? If you are given a knife? So i would argue respectfully, that they dont think "ill get him this time".
I do a lot of knife sparring, MMA, Boxing, etc and unless we are doing it intentionally, not many people move that slow when they are trying to "win". I'm not suggesting that this is fake. I'm just trying to understand the drills. Maybe the uploader could clarify this.
I have attacked him with both a training knife and my firsts.It is utterly insane how this man can take the average joe apart with in seconds and with out breaking a sweat. I have also been hit by him as well.Great experince but I am also glad that he was taking it easy on me at the same time.
Amazing stuff Martin! I'm interested to know if you found your Kenpo a good basis for learning Systema or if you had to learn a new way of thinking and start from basics again?
I currently train in both ninjutsu and systema, and though I admit I am new to both arts, I can fight decently with either of them. I train with multiple people who have different backgrounds (military, urban street combat using martial arts, martial artists), so if I doubt something I test it against them and get feedback. If you have a drive to learn, you can do so quickly and effectively. it is effective early on given you have experience in learning anything sports/combat related
@hardtongue I'm one of the guys who train in Charlotte with Mark. By all means drop in for a visit. We'd be happy to see you. I've also done a couple of years of training with Rigan before he and Martin opened the Academy together. They are both excellent instructors and world-class martial artists.
Hey Mr. Wheeler. I live in Michigan but occasionally I drive to train in Toronto. I really like how smooth you are in Systema. My desire is to begin a school here in Michigan. I would like to visit your school someday but I don't know where you are located. My desire is to grow in the art so I can help spread what it offers.
Please dont take this the wrong way as I dont mean to insult. I have, lets say, a similar background to yours. I have experienced some Systema, although not from an extremely high level individual. But the training partners in these videos are physically moving slow. There is very little intent in their actions. That I can see from the video unless it is in slow mo, which it isn't. I dont have a closed mind to Systema (or any art) but this video is not showing a sparing session but a demo...
JS, that's BS. Neither occurred outside of your imagination, as is apparent at regular speed and obvious at half speed. The knife goes past his outer thigh and his leg becomes a fulcrum against the attacker's arm, and later the blade is being controlled with the arm extended to it's maximum, and the knife is not in view because Martin is angled and between it and the camera. He's likely not touching the knife with his belly OR it could be flat against his body as he levers it out of the attacker's grip. Martin clearly has the knife an instant later. Yes, YOU would have been stabbed in the leg and belly, but that's not what happened here.
To anyone criticizing Systema, you need to go to a seminar with a senior instructor like Wheeler. It will change the way you look at martial arts forever. Styles are limitations, boxes. Systema teaches your to create moves on the fly based on sound principles. I've been to a Wheeler seminar, and I wouldn't dream of taking him on, even if there was three of me. Everything you try ends up being wrong, and let me tell you, those relaxed, heavy strikes do dig in deep.
Awesome video. I have a question; Am I correct in assuming that the training partner plays the role of a "less than competent" attacker, or slow motion attacker to allow the practitioner to learn principles and concepts of balance, bio-mechanics, etc that are then applied with a more aggressive attacker? I have always favored two person drills to learn techniques rather than just repetition and than sparring. It seems that this expands the 2 pers drill to discovering possible techniques.
@eudsonamx Not always. Depends on the distance. Depends on angles. Depends of number of opponents. How do you assume stance against 2 or 3 guys and cover all exposed vital areas? Movement is defense. Staying in stance is just giving different targets to the attacker. Not saying that escrima or field manual aren't good. Yes they are. You are just failing to notice all those protection actions that happen in Systema because they are ACTIONS instead of static stance which is visible. Try RMA really
Very highly i doubt any of these negative comments have been in actual hand to hand combat situation. Systema is extremely lethal, if to difficult to learn then not for you, Simple as that, but do not disrespect this that is great mistake.
Let me again address a few of our critics who can't see the purpose of Systema. First of all, everyone is not going to accept Systema and that's cool. Now I have been to the school in Toronto several times and I've seen the videos of many practitioners. As in all martial arts systems, there are some good practitioners and some that are in need of improvement. I want to caution you to understand that. Now, get a true depiction of what Systema is you need to see it represented on the highest level and is shown in the demonstrations of Vladimir Vasiliev, Martin Wheeler and a guy who is out of Mexico who has a beard but his name escapes me. His last name was Jocic. There are a few others but these three stand out for the moment. Some people don't do so well showing what Systema is. I've seen some video that seems to be the total opposite of what Systema is. The other thing that turns me off is that some of the videos project Systema in an overly simplified manner. I really see this as a marketing strategy that suggest that Systema will somehow make one "superhuman", such as knocking people across a room without touching them. Now, when people see that, they cannot take Systema seriously. I understand that and it is not something that goes on exclusively in Systema. I've seen it in other arts. So let's be honest about that. Again, I will say that people should consider if the art emphasizes adaptability, breathing, relaxation and creative ingenuity because these are the central elements within an effective martial art. Patterns and prearrangment are the straight jackets of creative expression. What do you think?
Look at the guy does he look Healthy?Fit? Moving like a young man? If you answered all these current this is already a good system of training! Their sparring look like something you can do for years without getting hurt and that is extremely important when you age.
Great stuff. I am no master martial artist; but I studied under Grandmaster Rick Lenchus for a very short period of time. Something that I've been wondering, is if you would share with me the difference between Systema, Tai Chi, and Aikido. I see them as all circular and internal martial arts. I have been doing my own version of Contact Juggling with a raquet ball, in order to gain all kinds of skills which I believe could be applied to the martial arts. Balance; patience and a governing of my emotional self IE: Frustration when the ball doesn't do what I want it to; small, incremental, yet wholistic muscular strength; fluidity and a sense of what the ball wants, what I want and how we can meet in the middle. I know that you are probably swamped with the business of teaching and lecturing and writing; but I would very much be appreciative, if you could enlighten me as to the main differences between those 3 martial arts that I mentioned above. My goal is to become so adept at the Martial Arts and the conquering of violence; that violence disappears from my life. This may be a lofty ideal; but I strive for it.
@Hardtongue- with respect, this guy shares a school in Los Angeles with BJJ heavyweight legend Rigan Machado - an 8th degree red and black belt with 365 recorded wins. If Machado respects Wheeler enough to teach alongside him, then perhaps he knows something you do not. In any case, I'm sure Instructor Mark Jakabcsin (www.charlotte-systema.com/) would be delighted to educate you on the matter. You need not take your teammates. Mark and his guys are very welcoming, so there is nothing to fear.
What happened to Hardtongue's comment? I don't see them. He is welcome to come and visit anytime, with or without buds. Call ahead and we can offer freebie experience. I won't be back until May 1st so please wait until then but contact before then so I can arrange everything with the Gym owner.
Oh... guess I should stop trolling then. My original comment still stands for anyone that IS practicing Systema for more that a few years. Its not intended as a slam but an honest question.
@milosmalic I say that hard believe in effectiveness of Systema because in fight agaist knife is need to protect the vital areas, In other style like com escrima and the us army manual FM 25-150, the defense start with fight stance. In systema I see the knife more near the body in techiques of defense.
Martin, I have a pretty serious question: With a lot of the strikes, it seems you have to have a solid base (that your feet don't slide). I get this as a theory, but how does one do these strikes well when the floor is slippery? Also, I was wondering about doing this while moving, but I figure while moving, there's at least the momentum of your movement & there's the ability to have that little "jolt" of tension done in a kinesthetic way (I figure that that is the term for being able to feel how bent your arms & legs are, like a self-sense). It seems to be like with shooting while running: where someone shoots between steps & might stretch that step a little more if they need to- it's not marked in a mental way (like saying "ready-shoot, ready-shoot" to yourself in your head), it's just done by feel. Am I right about that?
+Atkrdu Go train with a teacher. Experience trumps theory in every. single. case. There is nothing anyone can tell you that will be better than first hand experience.
+john smith I get that, but I can't always arrange for transportation. I DO have a decent enough background to understand what is being said in most of these demonstrations- not in the sense of intellectual comprehension alone, but the "feel" of things. There was a lot of first hand experience that I couldn't put a name to before learning some Systema things (like that OODA Loop & when you wind up watching your own ass-kicking coming right at you, because you're watching what's coming to decide what to do to counter it).
A lot of systema striking involves whip-like motions, and it's possible to hit with the mass of a limb, or with body as well, without necessarily moving the feet or generating power from the feet/legs.
depends on your natural level of talent and the time and focus you put in your training... but i would recommend 2 years of training... after 2 years most people who show focus and dedication will have a good basic level of skill that can be applied
I have personally been hit by Martin.....He punches like a connan and he knows his movement very well.He would be happy to give you exactly what you give him. Systema folks believe that it is first important to understand movement and victor and velocity. Slow practice allows them to SEE and fully UNDERSTAND movement actually, it is designed for quick and fast learning there is a saying in systema" slow is fast"
I've read a few comments below about Systema and I'd like to interject with a few points. If you are looking for a martial art that teaches a lot of techniques, patterns, prearranged movements etc. Systema is not for you. See everyone is looking for some prearranged pit to put themselves into when fighting involves ones ability to adapt to the moment. The minute you adapt with your choreographed forms, you really are not adapting. You are merely responding to a non-pattern with pattern, you are trying to force your "technique" instead of flowing with the moment. Now this is nothing new. Bruce Lee talked about the same thing. Some of these arts are too focused on technique and less focused on adaptability. Systema is a martial art that adapts to the moment, improvises, and creates during the altercation. If you have to "try to remember your technique" you are already hit. Some practitioners feel like they are "learning something" because they are being taught technique 5, 6, 7, 8 spending years trying to do it correctly then another trying to learn the "secrets" of it. Thinking its "secret" makes them believe they are getting something special and they in turn, become special as well. System allows each practitioner to be themselves and to simply operate within a few principals regarding breathing, relaxation and adaptability. No matter what martial art you study, if you can't do these three things, you may catch a major beat down. I really enjoy Vladimir Vasiliev's school in Toronto.
I find systema blends very well with arts that have a structure, ive never trained in it but i like to use the basic concepts with kenpo, adapt, flow and fit the structure when i feel the opening
It's oriented for economic use of force. You only do what is necessary to end a situation. It's based on breathing, constant movement, posture and relaxation.
Just wondering why in all of these videos the training and demo partners offer no semblance of resistance whatsoever. Or even any kind of balance. It seems like an agreed upon dance of sorts when demonstrating things that the partner will agree to fall, or go limp with the slightest suggestion of which direction to go in. Honestly just curious why there's never a reaction from the other person other than total submission at the slightest touch, seems like there's a lot of good to be had for sure, just strange to watch.
Except fluidity in Aikido is rehearsed upfront by repeating and repeating of the same things for long time. Origin of fluidity in Systema has totally opposite background.
it's based on fulcrum's Leverage wave-like movement that can break any kind of static hard hold, breathing joint movement manipulation. And some of the hits are so effective is because they're coming from outside of your visual field so you don't even know it's coming and all the sudden you get hit
It looks awesome. I've been listening to other instructional videos and it seems that this style is entirely rooted in Taoist philosophy. I wouldn't be surprised if that is exactly where it originated.
Depends on how open minded you are. The idea of being relaxed is very new for some people. 2-3 months and you will get the hang of it. I do not recommend fighting with systema until after 1 year of training unless you have done other martial arts that you can fall back on, civilian training is not meant to be lethal.
Thats a very long time. How would this be used as an effective system of combat? What do you do for the first two years before you can apply it? Systema was originally only taught to select Spetznas right? Maybee it was never meant to be a stand alone system? Those select Spetznas would have had many years of training in other arts before they learned Systema. Do you not see a problem of logic here?
I like the effortless moves and application of defence and attack, someone training in tai chi or bagua zhang would do well in systema they would complement each other, all backed with hard training and love. Peace
Anytime! Most boxers could not hit as hard as Martin Wheeler. I would invite any boxer to punch me in the chest or the body.The skull is a different story of course. I have fought boxers and I was in a fist fight with a body builder who fought like a boxer...needless to say he did not touch me. If it was Martin,I would have been KO and would never have seen it comming or even felt the fear of an attack. Like I said an ounce of experince is worth a ton of argument.
Ahhh, everyone is an expert. Someone has always knows more than the next. Systems are systems, people are people, and martial arts are martial arts. It's all based on variables and the person. It's the same shit over and over again. Everyone believes that their art is the best and they will defend it with religious zealous.. For people that are normal and not interested in being tough guys any system has much to offer. Most of us just want to learn and have tools that can help us grow as people and provide some self defense.
Mike BoiMC Sorry I live in Germany. Unfortunately you will need to show off your manlihood to other guys. Maybe Martin Wheeler? Good luck. And don't forget to video tape your extraordinary skills which are above anyone other's obviously. ..Now I'm even getting challenged for simply stating my opinion. Something somewhere went terribly wrong...
Martin Wheeler is an amazing instructor. I believe that Systema can benefit any and all styles of martial arts; on breathing, on how to flow, relaxation, natural movement, leverage, and much more.
I've worked with Ryabko, Vasiliev, Puzikas and several others. Wheeler is a good teacher and he is well respected for his striking. He was the first practitioner I drilled with April 2006 and I was a complete skeptic. I would encourage anyone who may be skeptical of Systema to play around with these guys; they have something to offer.
Would you like to talk about that? What convicted you sir?
I really dont care what they think or even you think for that matter.
I was just telling you my experince.
Please realise those of us that perfer to do systema training dont need to explain ourself or even prove ourselfs to you or anyone else for that matter.
Again an ounce of experince is worth more then a ton of argument.
God Bless
You are awesome, Martin! Ive become interested in Systema and i will attend a seminar in two weeks here in norway. Very excited to experience Systema for the first time.
Systema is principally different from Aikido. The word SYSTEM means that you don't learn a set of techniques, but develop your body in an essential way and learn body mechanics. This way you don't really know certain techniques, you just do what you see fir particular situation 'cause you have control over your body and you can control opponents body.
His videos are excellent.He is a professional writer and has excellent command of the English language.
Any money invested in his video are well worth it
I've trained in Systema for 2 1/2 yrs. I'm still very much a beginner. Before that had training in karate, Aikido and Bujinkan, not to mention fights in childhood, teen years and twenties. Systema is a whole nuther animal. I'd encourage hardtongue to show up and train. My bet is he would become humble very quickly. Humility and generosity of spirit are qualities I've seen in most advanced Systema instructors.
gruntwolf Instead of challenging people to come to your clubs maybe the real test is in the street or in the ring, if a person goes to another gym then its not fair, you are surrounded by a group of systema floppy hands guys, what happens if one of them gets beaten up? the guy will get a beating, typical bully behaviour, the onus is on YOU, YOU go on the street and try that systema or in the ring with a boxer then show us the tape, that will be interesting, the demos are fake, unrealistic, bullshit, all relaxed and no fear fighting, doesnt exist in the real world, the knife attacks are totally bullshit and not the way a man will knife you, no speed, no feints, no power total bollox.
Calogero Fiore I've been there and done that--many times. Lots of fights as a teenager. Worked as an undercover dept store loss prevention guy in my twenties--I chased, fought, handcuffed many people. Plus-as I mentioned above--years of Karate, Aikido and Bujinkan. So I have some experience to evaluate Systema. But you don't. That's why I suggested you actually experience Systema--you can't 'get' it from videos. Instead, all you seem to have is some immature name-calling. Sad.
gruntwolf I did the same job, in the UK its called store detective, really horrible job cause you catch too many criminals seeing as you are undercover and not as normal security, ie. a deterrant.
I definitely don't have the same experience, but my experience has been in real conflict situations not martial arts classes were your fellow students are not trying to hurt or kill you, big difference in my opinion, if you had 1 year experience in actually surviving in pubs/bars against knives, sticks, bottles an normal drunks and idiots and groups, if you did that everyday, and I came along and puffed my chest and said well Ive trained in Aikidou, wing chun, BJJ for 10 years who do you think has qualification to evaluate what works and what wont work? Of course you will.
But its true I should try for myself as I have done at other clubs but it gets messy real quick as I wont take shit from some cunt throwing me around and I hit back as well.
You talk about immature talk but aren't you pissed off with people who go around thinking their art is the best thing since sliced bread? I do, all I can say is that your years of karate which is a great art, aikidou (shit) have been wasted if you cant see that systema guys using just their floppy techniques would be fucked in the street against a bastard Im not talking about someone who isn't trained, against a knifeman I guarantee you IS brown bread = dead!!
You talk about your experience and I wont doubt that but re you really telling me the knife defense techniques will work? If you do then lets just agree to disagree.
I have already explained to one expert who does not have any idea what the "systemа" is and I will try again for you. The "systemа" is not a sport or a martial art. The "systemа" is a practical combat system . This is why it is called "systemа" (The system). The "systemа" was developed exclusively for a KGB special operations unit and has been used around the world . Only 5 people who are former members of a special KGB unit who teach the "systemа" and know it fully. These people can kill a specially trained fighter with a couple of loose, аnnoticeable movements in broad daylight, completely unnoticed by the people around them.That's what the "systemа" is. This is precisely designed to have full control and dominance while being completely relaxed.The "systemа" uses the biological science of the human body and the laws of physics. The "systemа" includes absolutely everything, from military weapons to anything that comes to you hand. So what these people teach is only a small fraction. Basically it is a technique of movements and defenses. You will not find fancy movements in the "systemа", but by that time your fist reaches the enemy's face , who uses the "systemа", he will have time to drop you to the ground twice with a short and imperceptible foot movement from the bottom. The "systemа" is unimaginably efficient. But to evaluate the "systemа" you need to test it only оn yourself. Even masters of martial arts, who with a long experience, checked the "systemа", thay never call it BS again. This is not a fantasy. This is a well-documented fact that is confirmed by archival data that was declassified after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Actually it takes usually 1 year for someone to become fully used to the movements and relaxation of systema, and basically be able to defend himself from quite every attack. Systema is not hard to learn, as long as you are willing to relax and let yourself flow. It's certainly not like ninjitsu, systema is simple but sophisticated, just like the human mind :)
So to me someone who has been training since 9, studying and loving all martial arts, reading up on theories and applying and testing and discarding what doesn't work and keeping what does.
Internal martial arts do indeed have a place and a roll to play. You can't discredit anything based on your opinions, try it, if it fails, then it doesn't work for you and move on. The teachings and finer points help with hard styles and they complement each other.
i just LOVE the fluidity of systema. it's awesome to watch. i'm just curious about it's real-world effectiveness. i almost think it's like ninjitsu where you must have the most INTENSE training 10yrs+ to even make something like this practical for yourself. the punches and blocks in systema are not standard movements at all. seems like huuuge dedication if you're even going to start learning this style at all. anyone have feedback on what i'm saying?
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this reminds me of the class you held in Helsinki. I still find myself thinking about the things you tought us. Hope to see you there again sometime soon!
Amazing work, really hope to go to one of your seminars some day.
Right off the bat, first 5 seconds.
Nobody would fall over doing that. You just let go. Jeez this shits amazing
lol the rest of comment section is lost in the twilight zone
awesome awesome work! its very hard to stay calm during a situation, but Martin greatly demonstrates how it allows you more possibilities and a better reaction to the threat :) keep it up
You see i've only recently been looking into Systema and that's the part i've fallen in love with. the fact that even when played out slow, every single movement is either controlled by, or changed to suit the Systema practitioner. Understandably we're watching a master at work, but it just seem to be very accessible and 'simple'.
@Hardtongue, I found Mark and the Charlotte Systema group at one of the hardest times in my life.
Through Systema I have changed for the better! Systema is not just a martial art it is a life art, and through it you become a better person.
Don't misunderstand me it is a highly effective art training across many aspects of combat from guns, knives, ground, and striking.
I encourage you and your friends to come and train with us, but please leave the egos at the door.
And one suggestion before you go and play arm chair commando, go and experience the activity first. At least that way you might have some idea of what your talking about.
Dayummm - the geometry and physics at play here. Love it.
I ain't no fan of systema but while better half of this clip seems to make less sense but 3:47-4:00 gives me the idea that he actually understands what he should do to make the opponent go out of balance. Plus, he is very good at not letting the blade stay out of his focus. All in all, he doesn't seem like a person to be laughed at.
I'm the guy at 3:47. He's not my instructor. I went to his camp to see if he's any good. I don't know if I'm any good but this guy is better than what you can see in the video. I got schooled and he didn't break anything on me.
Great vid! Possibly the best Systema I've seen from a non-Russian!
Can't wait till Oct. This is going to be sweet!
I like how you see the attackers in the demos think, "I'll get him this time" and then, they don't.
Wish I had a school where I live, not even enough to start a group. I got my DVDs, and TH-cam with subscriptions to Martin, Vlad, Sonny, Perten, & Val.
Well, i disagree respectfully.
Dont you think, that the attackers are there for training and want to feed, so that ppl can learn from it? thats not a real intention of knife attack. Martin and his "attackers" know that, because its TRAINING.
How would YOU attack someone who raped your child? If you are given a knife?
So i would argue respectfully, that they dont think "ill get him this time".
I do a lot of knife sparring, MMA, Boxing, etc and unless we are doing it intentionally, not many people move that slow when they are trying to "win". I'm not suggesting that this is fake. I'm just trying to understand the drills. Maybe the uploader could clarify this.
I have attacked him with both a training knife and my firsts.It is utterly insane how this man can take the average joe apart with in seconds and with out breaking a sweat.
I have also been hit by him as well.Great experince but I am also glad that he was taking it easy on me at the same time.
Amazing stuff Martin! I'm interested to know if you found your Kenpo a good basis for learning Systema or if you had to learn a new way of thinking and start from basics again?
I currently train in both ninjutsu and systema, and though I admit I am new to both arts, I can fight decently with either of them. I train with multiple people who have different backgrounds (military, urban street combat using martial arts, martial artists), so if I doubt something I test it against them and get feedback. If you have a drive to learn, you can do so quickly and effectively. it is effective early on given you have experience in learning anything sports/combat related
That's a point of Systema. You don't show how strong you are, you just ... work. no animal faces, no angry sounds, cold as a water, and relax.
im an MMA guy, and have never been a fan, until now- respect. The istructor has some serious talent.
Thank you for your honesty
I think many seeing this footage might not understand just how good Martin Wheeler is. Really high level.
@hardtongue I'm one of the guys who train in Charlotte with Mark. By all means drop in for a visit. We'd be happy to see you.
I've also done a couple of years of training with Rigan before he and Martin opened the Academy together. They are both excellent instructors and world-class martial artists.
Hey Mr. Wheeler. I live in Michigan but occasionally I drive to train in Toronto. I really like how smooth you are in Systema. My desire is to begin a school here in Michigan. I would like to visit your school someday but I don't know where you are located. My desire is to grow in the art so I can help spread what it offers.
Just watched one video and yet subscribed:)
Please dont take this the wrong way as I dont mean to insult. I have, lets say, a similar background to yours. I have experienced some Systema, although not from an extremely high level individual. But the training partners in these videos are physically moving slow. There is very little intent in their actions. That I can see from the video unless it is in slow mo, which it isn't. I dont have a closed mind to Systema (or any art) but this video is not showing a sparing session but a demo...
The leg kick at 5:31 was boss
JS, that's BS. Neither occurred outside of your imagination, as is apparent at regular speed and obvious at half speed. The knife goes past his outer thigh and his leg becomes a fulcrum against the attacker's arm, and later the blade is being controlled with the arm extended to it's maximum, and the knife is not in view because Martin is angled and between it and the camera. He's likely not touching the knife with his belly OR it could be flat against his body as he levers it out of the attacker's grip. Martin clearly has the knife an instant later.
Yes, YOU would have been stabbed in the leg and belly, but that's not what happened here.
what is the name of this sport?
It is not a sport.
To anyone criticizing Systema, you need to go to a seminar with a senior instructor like Wheeler. It will change the way you look at martial arts forever. Styles are limitations, boxes. Systema teaches your to create moves on the fly based on sound principles. I've been to a Wheeler seminar, and I wouldn't dream of taking him on, even if there was three of me. Everything you try ends up being wrong, and let me tell you, those relaxed, heavy strikes do dig in deep.
Awesome!! 👏
this looks like aikido in some parts, is that a good art to learn if no systema near by for me to train?
Awesome video. I have a question; Am I correct in assuming that the training partner plays the role of a "less than competent" attacker, or slow motion attacker to allow the practitioner to learn principles and concepts of balance, bio-mechanics, etc that are then applied with a more aggressive attacker? I have always favored two person drills to learn techniques rather than just repetition and than sparring. It seems that this expands the 2 pers drill to discovering possible techniques.
@ 2:01 nice shirt! May the force be with you!
Fantastic. All core.
@eudsonamx Not always. Depends on the distance. Depends on angles. Depends of number of opponents. How do you assume stance against 2 or 3 guys and cover all exposed vital areas? Movement is defense. Staying in stance is just giving different targets to the attacker. Not saying that escrima or field manual aren't good. Yes they are. You are just failing to notice all those protection actions that happen in Systema because they are ACTIONS instead of static stance which is visible. Try RMA really
I sent Hardtongue a message directly to his inbox including the address and times of class so he should have no problem finding us.
That's an interesting style... That's a master of the style.. ?
Finding you isn't the problem. The idea of having to eat their words is.
so, where can i learn the systema? should i join the army?
a hug at the end is essential.
I love systema because you dont have to be buff to do it and you can be really creative and fancy with it.
Very highly i doubt any of these negative comments have been in actual hand to hand combat situation. Systema is extremely lethal, if to difficult to learn then not for you,
Simple as that, but do not disrespect this that is great mistake.
Ok, now I wish I would've went to the Philly seminar...
Does this guy do workshops in London England?
I was wondering how quickly people can learn systema? Is it difficult, considering this is a military system like krav maga.
Was that Thomas Locke at 3:20?
Let me again address a few of our critics who can't see the purpose of Systema. First of all, everyone is not going to accept Systema and that's cool. Now I have been to the school in Toronto several times and I've seen the videos of many practitioners. As in all martial arts systems, there are some good practitioners and some that are in need of improvement. I want to caution you to understand that. Now, get a true depiction of what Systema is you need to see it represented on the highest level and is shown in the demonstrations of Vladimir Vasiliev, Martin Wheeler and a guy who is out of Mexico who has a beard but his name escapes me. His last name was Jocic. There are a few others but these three stand out for the moment. Some people don't do so well showing what Systema is. I've seen some video that seems to be the total opposite of what Systema is. The other thing that turns me off is that some of the videos project Systema in an overly simplified manner. I really see this as a marketing strategy that suggest that Systema will somehow make one "superhuman", such as knocking people across a room without touching them. Now, when people see that, they cannot take Systema seriously. I understand that and it is not something that goes on exclusively in Systema. I've seen it in other arts. So let's be honest about that. Again, I will say that people should consider if the art emphasizes adaptability, breathing, relaxation and creative ingenuity because these are the central elements within an effective martial art. Patterns and prearrangment are the straight jackets of creative expression. What do you think?
Very efficient system of movement/defense.
I seriously want to do some Systema...
love it
Look at the guy does he look Healthy?Fit? Moving like a young man? If you answered all these current this is already a good system of training! Their sparring look like something you can do for years without getting hurt and that is extremely important when you age.
Great stuff. I am no master martial artist; but I studied under Grandmaster Rick Lenchus for a very short period of time. Something that I've been wondering, is if you would share with me the difference between Systema, Tai Chi, and Aikido. I see them as all circular and internal martial arts. I have been doing my own version of Contact Juggling with a raquet ball, in order to gain all kinds of skills which I believe could be applied to the martial arts. Balance; patience and a governing of my emotional self IE: Frustration when the ball doesn't do what I want it to; small, incremental, yet wholistic muscular strength; fluidity and a sense of what the ball wants, what I want and how we can meet in the middle.
I know that you are probably swamped with the business of teaching and lecturing and writing; but I would very much be appreciative, if you could enlighten me as to the main differences between those 3 martial arts that I mentioned above.
My goal is to become so adept at the Martial Arts and the conquering of violence; that violence disappears from my life. This may be a lofty ideal; but I strive for it.
There are no forms in systema.
Indeed. Systema could be a linear movement if that was the kind that made sense, so yes it is often circular but it's more than that.
@Hardtongue- with respect, this guy shares a school in Los Angeles with BJJ heavyweight legend Rigan Machado - an 8th degree red and black belt with 365 recorded wins. If Machado respects Wheeler enough to teach alongside him, then perhaps he knows something you do not.
In any case, I'm sure Instructor Mark Jakabcsin (www.charlotte-systema.com/) would be delighted to educate you on the matter. You need not take your teammates. Mark and his guys are very welcoming, so there is nothing to fear.
What happened to Hardtongue's comment? I don't see them. He is welcome to come and visit anytime, with or without buds. Call ahead and we can offer freebie experience. I won't be back until May 1st so please wait until then but contact before then so I can arrange everything with the Gym owner.
machado and wheeler are probably sharing the rent. :/
5:03 is that henry rollins?!
no... tattoos are missing. but pretty similar face
It's certainly somebody rollin'...
Oh... guess I should stop trolling then. My original comment still stands for anyone that IS practicing Systema for more that a few years. Its not intended as a slam but an honest question.
Very relaxed and efficient, reminds me of aikido.
this guy HAS IT!!!!
Very impressive.
I always experience how useful their skills are in movies.
@milosmalic I say that hard believe in effectiveness of Systema because in fight agaist knife is need to protect the vital areas, In other style like com escrima and the us army manual FM 25-150, the defense start with fight stance. In systema I see the knife more near the body in techiques of defense.
The systema is so healthy that the guy got injured on both knees and put ice on them every 20 minutes during training.))))
Martin, I have a pretty serious question: With a lot of the strikes, it seems you have to have a solid base (that your feet don't slide). I get this as a theory, but how does one do these strikes well when the floor is slippery?
Also, I was wondering about doing this while moving, but I figure while moving, there's at least the momentum of your movement & there's the ability to have that little "jolt" of tension done in a kinesthetic way (I figure that that is the term for being able to feel how bent your arms & legs are, like a self-sense). It seems to be like with shooting while running: where someone shoots between steps & might stretch that step a little more if they need to- it's not marked in a mental way (like saying "ready-shoot, ready-shoot" to yourself in your head), it's just done by feel. Am I right about that?
+Atkrdu Go train with a teacher. Experience trumps theory in every. single. case. There is nothing anyone can tell you that will be better than first hand experience.
+john smith I get that, but I can't always arrange for transportation. I DO have a decent enough background to understand what is being said in most of these demonstrations- not in the sense of intellectual comprehension alone, but the "feel" of things.
There was a lot of first hand experience that I couldn't put a name to before learning some Systema things (like that OODA Loop & when you wind up watching your own ass-kicking coming right at you, because you're watching what's coming to decide what to do to counter it).
A lot of systema striking involves whip-like motions, and it's possible to hit with the mass of a limb, or with body as well, without necessarily moving the feet or generating power from the feet/legs.
depends on your natural level of talent and the time and focus you put in your training... but i would recommend 2 years of training... after 2 years most people who show focus and dedication will have a good basic level of skill that can be applied
Wowww he is impressive!!!! Very good fighting system
is this vancouver???
this is my new hero
I have personally been hit by Martin.....He punches like a connan and he knows his movement very well.He would be happy to give you exactly what you give him.
Systema folks believe that it is first important to understand movement and victor and velocity.
Slow practice allows them to SEE and fully UNDERSTAND movement
actually, it is designed for quick and fast learning
there is a saying in systema" slow is fast"
I've read a few comments below about Systema and I'd like to interject with a few points. If you are looking for a martial art that teaches a lot of techniques, patterns, prearranged movements etc. Systema is not for you. See everyone is looking for some prearranged pit to put themselves into when fighting involves ones ability to adapt to the moment. The minute you adapt with your choreographed forms, you really are not adapting. You are merely responding to a non-pattern with pattern, you are trying to force your "technique" instead of flowing with the moment. Now this is nothing new. Bruce Lee talked about the same thing. Some of these arts are too focused on technique and less focused on adaptability. Systema is a martial art that adapts to the moment, improvises, and creates during the altercation. If you have to "try to remember your technique" you are already hit. Some practitioners feel like they are "learning something" because they are being taught technique 5, 6, 7, 8 spending years trying to do it correctly then another trying to learn the "secrets" of it. Thinking its "secret" makes them believe they are getting something special and they in turn, become special as well. System allows each practitioner to be themselves and to simply operate within a few principals regarding breathing, relaxation and adaptability. No matter what martial art you study, if you can't do these three things, you may catch a major beat down. I really enjoy Vladimir Vasiliev's school in Toronto.
Looks like it can be a pretty brutal system of self-defense. Is it target oriented?
Hey I'm liking this, how is this compared to Krav Maga?
I find systema blends very well with arts that have a structure, ive never trained in it but i like to use the basic concepts with kenpo, adapt, flow and fit the structure when i feel the opening
It's oriented for economic use of force. You only do what is necessary to end a situation. It's based on breathing, constant movement, posture and relaxation.
Just wondering why in all of these videos the training and demo partners offer no semblance of resistance whatsoever. Or even any kind of balance. It seems like an agreed upon dance of sorts when demonstrating things that the partner will agree to fall, or go limp with the slightest suggestion of which direction to go in. Honestly just curious why there's never a reaction from the other person other than total submission at the slightest touch, seems like there's a lot of good to be had for sure, just strange to watch.
Except fluidity in Aikido is rehearsed upfront by repeating and repeating of the same things for long time. Origin of fluidity in Systema has totally opposite background.
it's based on fulcrum's Leverage wave-like movement that can break any kind of static hard hold, breathing joint movement manipulation. And some of the hits are so effective is because they're coming from outside of your visual field so you don't even know it's coming and all the sudden you get hit
Spot on. It's incredibly effective.
Christ, he's like a GIANT Swiss Army Penknife made out of liquid metal and python on valium - Deadly!!!
It looks awesome. I've been listening to other instructional videos and it seems that this style is entirely rooted in Taoist philosophy. I wouldn't be surprised if that is exactly where it originated.
Im still wondering how he did that...
Cool this looks alot like the fluidity in Aikido :)
this guy is great at systema!
Depends on how open minded you are. The idea of being relaxed is very new for some people. 2-3 months and you will get the hang of it. I do not recommend fighting with systema until after 1 year of training unless you have done other martial arts that you can fall back on, civilian training is not meant to be lethal.
Ninjutsu renamed? Didn't mean to offend anyone on this forum. I noticed a lot of similarities. Good training. :)
@eudsonamx If you are looking for fight stance you aren't going to see it. There is only fight movement in Systema.
4:01 lol "so you gotta figure out how to go in without gettin killed" ... really... didn't know that one lol great =)
Thats a very long time. How would this be used as an effective system of combat? What do you do for the first two years before you can apply it? Systema was originally only taught to select Spetznas right? Maybee it was never meant to be a stand alone system? Those select Spetznas would have had many years of training in other arts before they learned Systema. Do you not see a problem of logic here?
i am in a systema class here in colorado with one of those guys
3:47 nice knife catch!
I like the effortless moves and application of defence and attack, someone training in tai chi or bagua zhang would do well in systema they would complement each other, all backed with hard training and love. Peace
Anytime!
Most boxers could not hit as hard as Martin Wheeler.
I would invite any boxer to punch me in the chest or the body.The skull is a different story of course.
I have fought boxers and I was in a fist fight with a body builder who fought like a boxer...needless to say he did not touch me.
If it was Martin,I would have been KO and would never have seen it comming or even felt the fear of an attack.
Like I said an ounce of experince is worth a ton of argument.
always think of that when your using techniques, you dont want to attack you want to denfense, at most possiblitie
well, it's russian martial art, so:
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yea but theres a huge difference in sports, material arts and the use of those arts in real life combat
Amazing..
Buen video
3:48 Sick catch
Wath is this ? I Think that was a Good show ;)
O kra e muinto bom muinto
Treino e dedicação bom bom muinto bom
Ahhh, everyone is an expert. Someone has always knows more than the next. Systems are systems, people are people, and martial arts are martial arts. It's all based on variables and the person. It's the same shit over and over again. Everyone believes that their art is the best and they will defend it with religious zealous.. For people that are normal and not interested in being tough guys any system has much to offer. Most of us just want to learn and have tools that can help us grow as people and provide some self defense.
Gotta love them people critisizing Systema without even having stepped one foot into the classes:D YT loudmouths.
Well said!
Aphrophis
Systema headquarters is located in Toronto I do believe.
Mike BoiMC Sorry I live in Germany.
Unfortunately you will need to show off your manlihood to other guys. Maybe Martin Wheeler? Good luck. And don't forget to video tape your extraordinary skills which are above anyone other's obviously.
..Now I'm even getting challenged for simply stating my opinion. Something somewhere went terribly wrong...
i wanted now!!!! come in greece !!!
@milosmalic I would try if there was Systema in my country.
3:49 good catching knife.