5:25 this makes total sense. This is where MMA and self defence are different. This isn’t a game and it must be finished fast. And can’t be complicated either. Because the mind will scramble to find something effective when in danger.
BJJ is the art that wants fights to take long time. I'm not even joking. Royce Gracie told that himself. For BJJ it's the best no time limit rounds, because than they can slowly work on the opponent...
@@ricksterdrummer2170yeah one can find any kind of excuse not to train.... "What happens if the opponent is to fast to: get hit, get punched, get kicked, get grabbed." You can use that retorical question to counter argument anything. That's why you want to stay as simple and direct as possible to give the opponent as little reaction time as possible, work on your non telegraphic motion, flow, etc." We don't spar" doesn't end there, it's "we don't spar, we fight". The mind set is different. We don't exchange punches, means you shouldn't be passive but aggressive. But that's not for everyone. We think we can end the fight quickly? Jkd wants to keep the odds in that direction, that's why you go for decisive targets and not the strong ones. Someone breaks into your home, you gonna spar him, exchange punches or kick him into the upper leg, or rather instantly eye jab, groin kick and side kick through his knee. I know what I would do...
MMA is a fucking joke.People this days think they know what a street fight is.They see this "MMA" "Fighters" and they think they are the avengers.MMA is weekend warriors got together and forms this wrestling WWF aberration and now they think they got all the anwers.
Some people feel that Jeet Kune Do is outdated because they have not really thought about the nature of Jeet Kune Do. Jeet Kune Do must break all illusions, ignorance, blind spots, superficiality and darkness. Of course, there are always people who like to compare it with other martial arts,this is a very sad thing. Jeet Kune Do is not single but comprehensive,I think this is also a rare part of Jeet Kune Do,and also there are some people who imitate Bruce Lee's appearance and say they know Jeet Kune Do,this kind of person is no different from a clown.
Most of the primary targets (eyes, groin) are still available on the ground. You can also bite, which is forbidden in sport environment. I think as long as we explore the ground fighting by applying JKD principles, our training is very much not outdated. But of course we should concentrate on how to not be taken to the ground in the first place.
Very well said! The people,who believe in this nonsense, are very enthusiastic about BJJ, which in my opinion doesn't work for street fighting and self-defense at all.Judo would be more appropriate because of better throws.
Every grappling style would be risky in self-defense and street fighting because you limit yourself , your radius of movement and your natural weapens.
Paul Vunak covered this. Combine grappling skills with biting. There are many positions that you can safely bite your opponent. Thats how you get off the ground quickly.
@@Simon2k17 yeah I get it, I find it weird though that they still do all that sporty grappling stuff then. I guess, it's too popular, don't want to miss any money opportunity...
@@ThomasMarxJKD Money is what encourages JKD instructors to keep the historical stuff. It also encourages people to teach other martial arts along with it. Schools have to pay the bills. I understand that.
After the Wong Jack Man ' fight ', Bruce wanted to develop a WAY as to ending a fight fast using the most efficient method. Key word: Fast Shannon Lee in an interview said JKD was all about self defense. JKD has three primary which allows a situation to be over just as fast as it begins. Yes you gotta practice finding these targets in a stressful situation but you should practice any fight ' style ' and no ...... attacking the eyes or groin isn't outdated. It's what Bruce illustrated in his book AND on film. He was not scared to go to the groin because again it's about being efficient ..... and having LESS jargon on your mind to filter through. JKD is what's needed in 2021 actually and I'm showing my 9 year old son a few things. He loves Bruce Lee ...... Lol !!!!!! If JKD is outdated, then defending yourself is outdated too and ......how does that sound ?
I think what makes a method of fighting good is, the conditioning, the person who is trained is master level, they have total confidence in technique, they have self belief, confidence, strength, flexible, power, timing, and they have thousands of training hours. They also are aware of other delivery system methods of fighting so they don’t get caught off guard, but they all direct and efficient in movement at the same time, but they also need to be aware of methods that can cause a distruption in there own methods of fighting and could pose a threat. But they also need to realise that is important To end it fast, and be efficient as possible in doing it. Ie eyes,groin. To simplify and be direct to not play a game of sport. I think what’s important is write down how can I can be totally effective a fighting and what elements can I apply to my self to become this. Realising that although for instance Muay Thai kicks are very powerful, they don’t seem to end the fight as needed most of the time, and although is a powerful effective kick the risk might not be worth throwing when it comes to actually self defense because the damage may be little or you might even miss, if you did throw the kick and it hit the arm etc it would be totally wasted and ineffective for dealing with a thug, but might be effective is a friendly sports fighting like Thailand. compare to a more direct kick like the groin, or the eyes which if are hit especially the eyes it’s real game changer. And gives you that bit extra of being able to escape or follow up and puts you in a better position of survival, compared to say a switch kick used in Thai boxing which although powerful, may not stop the fight, and good for points, but it’s unlikely to stop a fight in reality but would a be a effective kick point score. It’s also a bit of a high risk kick in that it you can miss, or can be caught, scene, it’s quite telegraphic, it’s takes a lot of energy to throw the kick. It’s unlikely to do damage unless it hit the head or hit the liver, Wasted if it just hit the body as this could be seen as a sport kick. And doesn’t really get to the root of ending the problem. Which is the goal, how can I end this quick.generally the best end quick methods tend to be the eyes, groin possibly. Because if you watch and MMA you can see that nothing they throw really ends the fight quick. No amount of anything does, unless they hit chin and go to sleep due to brain OR they choke the wind pipe, or they hit the eyes, or the groin get hit. You can see that these elite athletes they throw all this stuff yet non end it, unless it’s generally by hands knockout ie chin, eyes, groin, choke out unconscious. So it makes sense to go for the eyes since it can end it fastest. Or a knockout by hands or a lucky head kick. Hitting the eyes is also safer since the head doesn’t hit the concrete ground. Can also be doubled up or if you hit the eyes you can follow with knee to the body or body shot to the liver. And its game over. Thanks
By the way Sifu Thomas here i have some question ask you,In the videos you made the last few times, in your practice straight lead What is the one tied on the waist?What is the function?
Thats resistance band, you use it for making additional resistance to your push shuffle. It trainns your left leg at pushing, to make yourself faster and explosive in closing to the opponent while attacking...
There is one more thing here. Some people say that you are not a philosopher, so you don't know Jeet Kune Do at all. I want to ask how to respond to this kind of person?
Respond like this: I guess then you all are philosopher, therefore you understand JKD, and you must be one of ten thousand that can grasp JKD, as Bruce said. So all the MMA fan boys, that think JKD is MMA, they all must be one of ten thousand. You can put a LOL at the end, haha
Here is the thing, I have been doing Judo and Grappling for a while, and both work well in its environment. As soon, you attack peoples eyes, the whole system crushes, it only works the best if you arrange not doing it. Fencing will not help you much, because its diffreent from JKD, because there you have to punch and kick, not only move...
@@axelstone3131 The Jun Fan Gun Fu period, is the early experimental phase of pre JKD in Seattle, as Lee began to modify WingChun to make it more useful. But it still had a lot elements of WingChun, and although the shuffle was included, the footwork had not fully transitioned yet. Thinking from a *fencing with fists and feet* perspective, vs the outdated seeking the bridge, but instead seeking targets as a fencer would, is far more efficient. Marx has a video about this someplace
Not a huge fan of Rener Gracie but there was one video where they compared handicaps such as age, gender, weight disadvantage analogous to fighting someone at a higher belt level. Grappling against an untrained person your skill may off set a huge weight disadvantage. Otherwise grappling with a larger and stronger enraged opponent in the street is not going to go well unless your skill level is very high. Most people are not that good. Even then someone capable of deadlifting 300 lbs can body slam you on the concrete. a knockout or injury is the best way to survive assuming you did everything legally possible to escape.
There was a also an article about a proffesienal female grappler, who was a champion in her division. They said in training she couldn't beat average male grapplers, because of the strength disantvantage, despite her being technically on another level.
Not only for JKD, any discipline never outdated, because they are tools, they are dead, what makes them alive and current is the person who is wielding it.
Nope, as long as we have two arms and two legs, these tools and principals are timeless. Many who say different, don't have a clue about footwork and angles that these tools can be used. With wrong and limited knowledge and no creativity, it's no wonder many believe the lie that JKD is outdated.
No, thats sport, you dont try to chocke people in the streets, it takes to long, you get killed because you'll have most likely multiple opponents or knifes involved, when it comes to real self defence, and not some dueling. You rip the eye out instead and look to get up as fast as possible. Its far quicker.
@@ThomasMarxJKD so you completely ignore ground fighting because you think it will never happen to you in a 1:1 situation? Good luck then... Everybody can rip an eye out, that is not exclusive to JKD... just as everybody can kick you in the groin. It is not the be all end all technique...
@@marcrkid5491 no, I'm not ignoring it, we just don't use that sporty stuff. Thats the difference. Trust me, many of us were involved in street fights, there is no time for such a nonsense there. You think wile you triangling a guy, his friends standing just around... You don't even know what's happening
It was very radical in its day, and most of its innovating stopped in 1973. You have to ask yourself what he would have changed over the last few decades, what he would have researched during that time. But the core is still valid. You train like combat sport folks do, and that is good, but they need to alter a few things to eschew the pure sporting aspects. But it is live and moving, and wasn't that the real radical thing of JKD, not the particular techniques that Mr. Lee found optimal for himself? Training like a street boxer and wrestler- he did have takedowns, but I feel he never had the time to really explore them- wasn't that the difference, totally out of the box thinking? I am afraid the new, modern stuff is going the way of all popular radical things and becoming complacent. Is there anything new coming out of it, or is it still just 15 minutes of sweaty ball punching? I stopped watching when all the fights looked the same.
@@walterevans2118 Probably so. It is hard enough to really understand the core of any system, functional or not, let alone one that doesn't have many places to train to begin with! Lee was obsessed with combative arts- there is no other way to say that. His enthusiasm made him want to try everything there was to offer when he was younger and discard all that wasn't applicable to him when he got more experienced. He always talked about his own personal art, his way of expressing himself. Maybe that was what I was trying to say but fumbled it? You have to have the proper training to even understand what is useful and what isn't?
5:25 this makes total sense. This is where MMA and self defence are different. This isn’t a game and it must be finished fast. And can’t be complicated either. Because the mind will scramble to find something effective when in danger.
BJJ is the art that wants fights to take long time. I'm not even joking. Royce Gracie told that himself. For BJJ it's the best no time limit rounds, because than they can slowly work on the opponent...
@@ricksterdrummer2170yeah one can find any kind of excuse not to train.... "What happens if the opponent is to fast to: get hit, get punched, get kicked, get grabbed." You can use that retorical question to counter argument anything. That's why you want to stay as simple and direct as possible to give the opponent as little reaction time as possible, work on your non telegraphic motion, flow, etc." We don't spar" doesn't end there, it's "we don't spar, we fight". The mind set is different. We don't exchange punches, means you shouldn't be passive but aggressive. But that's not for everyone. We think we can end the fight quickly? Jkd wants to keep the odds in that direction, that's why you go for decisive targets and not the strong ones. Someone breaks into your home, you gonna spar him, exchange punches or kick him into the upper leg, or rather instantly eye jab, groin kick and side kick through his knee. I know what I would do...
MMA is a fucking joke.People this days think they know what a street fight is.They see this "MMA" "Fighters" and they think they are the avengers.MMA is weekend warriors got together and forms this wrestling WWF aberration and now they think they got all the anwers.
Some people feel that Jeet Kune Do is outdated because they have not really thought about the nature of Jeet Kune Do. Jeet Kune Do must break all illusions, ignorance, blind spots, superficiality and darkness. Of course, there are always people who like to compare it with other martial arts,this is a very sad thing. Jeet Kune Do is not single but comprehensive,I think this is also a rare part of Jeet Kune Do,and also there are some people who imitate Bruce Lee's appearance and say they know Jeet Kune Do,this kind of person is no different from a clown.
@@walterevans2118 😝😝😝
@@walterevans2118 FACTS
Most of the primary targets (eyes, groin) are still available on the ground. You can also bite, which is forbidden in sport environment. I think as long as we explore the ground fighting by applying JKD principles, our training is very much not outdated. But of course we should concentrate on how to not be taken to the ground in the first place.
@@walterevans2118 Yes, I am aware. Thanks, I always appreciate your wise comments Walter! ;)
Great video as always!
On the contrary, it is more topical than ever!
Very well said! The people,who believe in this nonsense, are very enthusiastic about BJJ, which in my opinion doesn't work for street fighting and self-defense at all.Judo would be more appropriate because of better throws.
Every grappling style would be risky in self-defense and street fighting because you limit yourself , your radius of movement and your natural weapens.
@caesars.3261 really
This makes total sense, it also makes sense to strike the most effective things possible. To cause the most damage and be as direct as possible.
That’s it
Paul Vunak covered this. Combine grappling skills with biting. There are many positions that you can safely bite your opponent. Thats how you get off the ground quickly.
Except vunak does all this kind stuff that Bruce either threw away, or considered classical mess.
I never said I agree with everything that Vunak does. However, the grappling and biting to get yourself off the ground quickly was spot on.
@@Simon2k17 yeah I get it, I find it weird though that they still do all that sporty grappling stuff then. I guess, it's too popular, don't want to miss any money opportunity...
@@ThomasMarxJKD Money is what encourages JKD instructors to keep the historical stuff. It also encourages people to teach other martial arts along with it. Schools have to pay the bills. I understand that.
@@Simon2k17 The thing is, the destinciton shoud be made clear. Which is rarely the case. Instead its, JKD is "what ever works" excuse.
After the Wong Jack Man ' fight ', Bruce wanted to develop a WAY as to ending a fight fast using the most efficient method. Key word:
Fast
Shannon Lee in an interview said JKD was all about self defense. JKD has three primary which allows a situation to be over just as fast as it begins. Yes you gotta practice finding these targets in a stressful situation but you should practice any fight ' style ' and no ...... attacking the eyes or groin isn't outdated. It's what Bruce illustrated in his book AND on film. He was not scared to go to the groin because again it's about being efficient ..... and having LESS jargon on your mind to filter through. JKD is what's needed in 2021 actually and I'm showing my 9 year old son a few things. He loves Bruce Lee ...... Lol !!!!!! If JKD is outdated, then defending yourself is outdated too and ......how does that sound ?
Exactly.The truth can never be outdated.
Great clip and good arguments.
I think what makes a method of fighting good is, the conditioning, the person who is trained is master level, they have total confidence in technique, they have self belief, confidence, strength, flexible, power, timing, and they have thousands of training hours. They also are aware of other delivery system methods of fighting so they don’t get caught off guard, but they all direct and efficient in movement at the same time, but they also need to be aware of methods that can cause a distruption in there own methods of fighting and could pose a threat. But they also need to realise that is important To end it fast, and be efficient as possible in doing it. Ie eyes,groin. To simplify and be direct to not play a game of sport.
I think what’s important is write down how can I can be totally effective a fighting and what elements can I apply to my self to become this. Realising that although for instance Muay Thai kicks are very powerful, they don’t seem to end the fight as needed most of the time, and although is a powerful effective kick the risk might not be worth throwing when it comes to actually self defense because the damage may be little or you might even miss, if you did throw the kick and it hit the arm etc it would be totally wasted and ineffective for dealing with a thug, but might be effective is a friendly sports fighting like Thailand. compare to a more direct kick like the groin, or the eyes which if are hit especially the eyes it’s real game changer. And gives you that bit extra of being able to escape or follow up and puts you in a better position of survival, compared to say a switch kick used in Thai boxing which although powerful, may not stop the fight, and good for points, but it’s unlikely to stop a fight in reality but would a be a effective kick point score. It’s also a bit of a high risk kick in that it you can miss, or can be caught, scene, it’s quite telegraphic, it’s takes a lot of energy to throw the kick. It’s unlikely to do damage unless it hit the head or hit the liver, Wasted if it just hit the body as this could be seen as a sport kick. And doesn’t really get to the root of ending the problem. Which is the goal, how can I end this quick.generally the best end quick methods tend to be the eyes, groin possibly. Because if you watch and MMA you can see that nothing they throw really ends the fight quick. No amount of anything does, unless they hit chin and go to sleep due to brain OR they choke the wind pipe, or they hit the eyes, or the groin get hit. You can see that these elite athletes they throw all this stuff yet non end it, unless it’s generally by hands knockout ie chin, eyes, groin, choke out unconscious. So it makes sense to go for the eyes since it can end it fastest. Or a knockout by hands or a lucky head kick. Hitting the eyes is also safer since the head doesn’t hit the concrete ground. Can also be doubled up or if you hit the eyes you can follow with knee to the body or body shot to the liver. And its game over. Thanks
Also knees as target with a side kick is often the first and last contact, because knee is the nearest target...
JKD is Self-Offense.
By the way Sifu Thomas here i have some question ask you,In the videos you made the last few times, in your practice straight lead What is the one tied on the waist?What is the function?
What do you mean tied on the waist?
@@ThomasMarxJKD Like rubber something
Thats resistance band, you use it for making additional resistance to your push shuffle. It trainns your left leg at pushing, to make yourself faster and explosive in closing to the opponent while attacking...
@@ThomasMarxJKD Thank you Sifu Thomas
@@walterevans2118 Thank you i will
JKD is not a sport.
*for all the haters of JKD* ....is your lack of common sense/adaptability outdated?!?
LOL
Thanx for another great COMMON SENSE video.
If you grapple on the streets you wil be kicked by someone else
There is one more thing here. Some people say that you are not a philosopher, so you don't know Jeet Kune Do at all. I want to ask how to respond to this kind of person?
Respond like this: I guess then you all are philosopher, therefore you understand JKD, and you must be one of ten thousand that can grasp JKD, as Bruce said. So all the MMA fan boys, that think JKD is MMA, they all must be one of ten thousand. You can put a LOL at the end, haha
@@ThomasMarxJKD 😂😂😂
Fine, take a few months of BJJ so you have some familiarity with it, same with Judo
Then take a year of Fencing, it will shift your perceptions
Here is the thing, I have been doing Judo and Grappling for a while, and both work well in its environment. As soon, you attack peoples eyes, the whole system crushes, it only works the best if you arrange not doing it. Fencing will not help you much, because its diffreent from JKD, because there you have to punch and kick, not only move...
@@ThomasMarxJKD fencing theory and footwork helped me shake off the JunFan approach
@@robertvondarth1730 explain
@@axelstone3131
The Jun Fan Gun Fu period, is the early experimental phase of pre JKD in Seattle, as Lee began to modify WingChun to make it more useful.
But it still had a lot elements of WingChun, and although the shuffle was included, the footwork had not fully transitioned yet.
Thinking from a *fencing with fists and feet* perspective, vs the outdated seeking the bridge, but instead seeking targets as a fencer would, is far more efficient.
Marx has a video about this someplace
Must be evolution of JKD videoa...
Not a huge fan of Rener Gracie but there was one video where they compared handicaps such as age, gender, weight disadvantage analogous to fighting someone at a higher belt level. Grappling against an untrained person your skill may off set a huge weight disadvantage. Otherwise grappling with a larger and stronger enraged opponent in the street is not going to go well unless your skill level is very high. Most people are not that good. Even then someone capable of deadlifting 300 lbs can body slam you on the concrete. a knockout or injury is the best way to survive assuming you did everything legally possible to escape.
There was a also an article about a proffesienal female grappler, who was a champion in her division. They said in training she couldn't beat average male grapplers, because of the strength disantvantage, despite her being technically on another level.
Not only for JKD, any discipline never outdated, because they are tools, they are dead, what makes them alive and current is the person who is wielding it.
Nope, as long as we have two arms and two legs, these tools and principals are timeless. Many who say different, don't have a clue about footwork and angles that these tools can be used. With wrong and limited knowledge and no creativity, it's no wonder many believe the lie that JKD is outdated.
Perfect..
I also remember Sifu Ted Wong say before you move,i know you move,do you know what that means? Sifu Thomas?
It must be watching the weight shift. Before someone moves, they shift their weight in that direction...
@@ThomasMarxJKD 👍👍👍
@@walterevans2118 That's it, I understand
@@walterevans2118 Mohammed ali is a Legend and Bruce lee also.
@@walterevans2118 But sometimes the people like to compare each other, somebody say if they fight each other, who will win?
who said it's dated. do the two finger press first
You don't choose to go on the ground or not but it might happen. If you ignore basic groundfighting skills you are just limiting yourself.
What is basic ground fighting skills?
@@ThomasMarxJKD Sprawls, Triangles, Sweeps... that is basic
No, thats sport, you dont try to chocke people in the streets, it takes to long, you get killed because you'll have most likely multiple opponents or knifes involved, when it comes to real self defence, and not some dueling. You rip the eye out instead and look to get up as fast as possible. Its far quicker.
@@ThomasMarxJKD so you completely ignore ground fighting because you think it will never happen to you in a 1:1 situation? Good luck then... Everybody can rip an eye out, that is not exclusive to JKD... just as everybody can kick you in the groin. It is not the be all end all technique...
@@marcrkid5491 no, I'm not ignoring it, we just don't use that sporty stuff. Thats the difference. Trust me, many of us were involved in street fights, there is no time for such a nonsense there. You think wile you triangling a guy, his friends standing just around... You don't even know what's happening
It was very radical in its day, and most of its innovating stopped in 1973. You have to ask yourself what he would have changed over the last few decades, what he would have researched during that time. But the core is still valid. You train like combat sport folks do, and that is good, but they need to alter a few things to eschew the pure sporting aspects. But it is live and moving, and wasn't that the real radical thing of JKD, not the particular techniques that Mr. Lee found optimal for himself? Training like a street boxer and wrestler- he did have takedowns, but I feel he never had the time to really explore them- wasn't that the difference, totally out of the box thinking? I am afraid the new, modern stuff is going the way of all popular radical things and becoming complacent. Is there anything new coming out of it, or is it still just 15 minutes of sweaty ball punching? I stopped watching when all the fights looked the same.
@@walterevans2118 Probably so. It is hard enough to really understand the core of any system, functional or not, let alone one that doesn't have many places to train to begin with! Lee was obsessed with combative arts- there is no other way to say that. His enthusiasm made him want to try everything there was to offer when he was younger and discard all that wasn't applicable to him when he got more experienced. He always talked about his own personal art, his way of expressing himself. Maybe that was what I was trying to say but fumbled it? You have to have the proper training to even understand what is useful and what isn't?
🤔🤔🤔🤔better upgrade then😒😒😒