How far the Tories have moved and changed with the times but even more shocking how much further Labour have shifted to the left and how far out of touch they now are with the working class.
Not sure if they’re laughing at the idea of leaving - a lot were Eurosceptics even if Major was an EU superman - so much as laughing at the idea of Blair being so hypocritical about it.
I mean. It’s only slightly better. The evolution of technology has changed so much in the last 200 years, but the state of Parliament has not - apart from the average IQ, which has decreased by a landslide.
It’s not much better tbh. The only real difference is Blair used political insults, whereas Kier uses silly schoolyard jokes and street rap battle dissing. Corbyn was much closer to Blair in that sense, actually pointing out problems with respect and insulting his opposition directly through comments about their poor responses to the issues at hand, and his fellow parliamentarians didn’t seem to like it one bit.
Tony Blair is there, that war criminal who orphaned many children and killed thousands with his American masters claiming of fake WMD in Iraq isn't worthy of intelligence.
@@TechnoLadz Slightly? It as changed ALOT, and its not technology. The problem is people have become weaker at least back then, they had some identity and values, but today? Nothing of this exists or matters any longer.
"I count my blessings for the fact I don't have to go into that pit that John Major stands in, nose-to-nose with the opposition, and yelling at each other." - U.S. President George H.W. Bush.
The United States could use something like "Prime Minister's Questions", it would certainly foster greater accountability in our system- especially at the federal level!
Major was literally one of the most uneducated PM we ever had since WW2, the man was in charge during black Wednesday... his government crashed the economy a magnitude worse than Liz, which they did fix it, they also lost the next election due to it, in a landslide and a generation of voter said, never tory, until we voted them in again in 2010... the electorate the memory of a goldfish, as well see in 10-15 years time. Brown was the most educated PM we have had in over 100 years with a PHD, yes he sold the gold (maybe he should have made bitcoin and bought it then, hell maybe invest in PPE), but he was according to economics academics, one of our best chancellors, PM is another story. Atlee and Wilson were also both academics and lecturers.
@@RR-cl2vf Major might have been uneducated (comparatively speaking) but none the less conducted himself in a manner that belied his background. The same can’t be said about the likes of Boris, Truss, May and so on. Obviously things went tits up under Major but I’d argue that Thatcher did worse things that should have given a generation and so on, more than enough reason to never vote Tory again.
@@RR-cl2vf Your “educated Blair” followed Bush into an illegal war, something Major wouldn’t have done. Blair got elected by pretending to be a Tory with his “new labour” bullshit. I see Starmer is trying to follow in his footsteps posing with a Union Jack, like he can convince someone he is patriotic lol.
@@Lukex29 Lol overall the tory party supported the war more than labour, with ~90% voting for it. The general public also supported the war, at 53% and 6 crossbench inquiries have cleared brown and Blair. Think of a new talking point. The tories for the most part supported every war/military action since WW2, including recent ones since Iraq, i.e: Syria. The Tories lost us our superpower title in the Suez crisis and even supported sending troops to Vietnam when Wilson refused to send any. The left and centre for the most part were against the war(s) and marched against them. Don't try and pretend the tories were ever against wars in general let alone the Iraq war ( Polls from that time and Facts say otherwise and facts don't care about your fe-fe's). Blair never pretended to be a tory, he said he was a social democrat and not a socialist like previous labour leaders. He wanted regulations rather than nationalisation( a lot of his regulations were easily reversed when the tories and LibDems took office). He said he would not renationalise Thatcher privatizations and he would not regulate the financial markets. This all showed to be bad ideas when we had a global crisis when we found out the financial sector was scamming people due to low regulation worldwide and we now have worse services for higher prices, which we see to this day with energy, rail and water. So Blair tried his 'thrid way' to keep both sides happy and the right-wing ideas have left us in a horrible situation, especially after 12 years of tory rule. if you think the UK is better than it was pre-2007 or even 2010, then I need some of whatever you're smoking. The average brit in real terms is 11-15 % worse of and public sector workers like nurses are now 20% worse of just in 12 years of tory rules.
"I think of myself as fairly left wing but John Major was the best prime minister of my lifetime (1977-). His biggest achievement was probably his contribution to the Irish peace process, for which he’s rarely given enough credit (on the GB side, the glitzier Tony Blair gets all the kudos), but he also delivered, after a shaky start, a booming economy through fiscal policies which were deemed benign enough for Gordon Brown to continue and his government also saw the introduction, albeit at a cautious pace, of a socially liberal approach to censorship and gay righrts. His foreign policy interventions were generally sensible, rarely ethically dubious and never resulted in the kind of strategic blunder that resulted from Blair’s incursion into Iraq. Perhaps most strikingly, he was able to preside over, and win an election with, a woefully divided Conservative Party and protect the country from the sort of calamitous approach to Europe taken by his ostensibly more statesmenlike succeasor, David Cameron. And all of this without introducing student tuition fees. On the minus side, you have rail privatisation (either too far, or not far enough depending on your perspective), PFI (for which he largely eacapes the blame; this doesn’t really compensate for the fact his role in NI is often overlooked) and a seeming level of callousness towards the poorest in society (his ‘eyesore’ remarks about beggars inspired my one and only letter to a prime minister). None of which amount to an Iraq or a Brexit. On the whole, a decent chap who did a good job and who continues to contribute to the political process with a quiet dignity." Answer from Quora. What do you think?
What to think. Major son of an 80 year old circus hand born in the middle of the nineteenth century, looks like a minor share broker, he was and and as a debater on fact and radio wins every point. But. Blair with Mo Moham and John Prescott presents with a front line as deceptive and hollow as David Lange's in 1984. For a moment in the commons , Blair looks good, with no serious opposition, fifth form debating technique and 6ft 2 height are enough. But actually he is just Luke from Gas and Garters a divine fool in a corrupt church. I mean look at some of the Australian liberal party sites on TH-cam. Its actually the Australian conservative party descended from the Australian United Party. Have a look at Robert Menzies Aus PM 1938-41 and 49-66.a former constitutional lawyer ' pig iron Bob' who defended BHP right to sell steel to Japan in 1939 for six months in defiance of league of nations sanctions and industrial violence. The United Party was seen as as a front for big business, national interest or less politely the 'old guard' led by Roger Goldfinch a Israeli financier and CEO of CSR colonial sugar and Menzies wartime Minister of Munitions. Or reflect on the masterpiece John Gorton I lead the Liberal Party not the conservative party. Oxford educated Hurricane pilot of indeterminate Australian kiwi ancestry.Who won an impossible victory in the 1969 election against Whitlam.
@MrAeronuk1 oh, I'm sorry. Normally, I'm the type of person who criticises bad grammer. But, I think I was writing the comment, went to do somthing else, and forgot a word. :/
True, I'm no Tory, but I respected John Major. He was a good speaker and a woefully underrated prime minister. As for Cameron, the least said the better.
i think the 21st century brought increasing doubt about the EU direction of travel,too many remainers were happy for the EU to effectively take over 27 parliament democracies and impart large amounts of EU law and dictates into their countries
@@Heartdrive How's that turned out, given the bar for success is "has anyone starved to death", and even that hasn't been met, as someone unfortunately has.
Tony Blair, in his first six weeks in office implemented the minimum wage, compensation for gulf war veterans, cut VAT, reformed the lottery so that proceeds went to healthcare and education, banned tobacco advertising, returned Trade Union rights to GCHQ staff, held referendums on Scottish and Welsh devolution, banned the export of landmines,brought in new legislation on owning handguns and signed the European Social Chapter.I'm a Conservative and I respect Blair over the likes of Major.
ash104 fr. I’m not a Brit but seeing Boris and Corbyn vs these two gentlemen, no comparison. They were around them yes? But Major and Blair were political giants. They’d have charbroiled the UK’s current cabinet.
You should look at the age of Parliament in the late 18th Century. Half of them were children, not literally. It is how William Pitt the Younger became Prime-Minister at 24 years old. Edit: Here is William Jefferson Hague, Baron Hague of Richmond on William Pitt the Younger's life: ( th-cam.com/video/O0tHmYEaqok/w-d-xo.html ) Edit2: .
mrExcellent101 Hardly he talks out of place he fooled people he was "one of us" he took too much and helped the rich just as much as Blair did 1997 was a paradox I wish I didn't vote New Labour but I didn't after 1999
This was a destruction of Major. This matter was the weakest point of the conservative leadership and Blair grabbed a night and twisted it. The vision of Major, incapable of even discussing publicly policy or rifts in back bench/cabinet support and cohesion became a real issue for Major. People forget how incredible Blair was at PMQs. It was of a different generation of politicians. The bar was raised very high by orators like Margaret Thatcher. You had to really know the detail, there was a real art to it. Blair was a child of that quality and his abilities show it
@@nikkisinclaire4185 but not effectively in result. Blair couldn't match Hague's intellectual viewpoint, but never had to - however witty Hague developed his commentary, Blair knew he was the smarter hunter. And only when Cameron smelt fatigue in the now elder PM did Blair gladly resign before the Tories inevitably tasted blood.
Major is a good guy and pretty centerist. He was helf to ransom by the right wingers in his party. The Tory party has always been a nest of vipers and the moderates have always been shouted down. As for Blair always thought him odious.
mattbod Except if you look at the legacy of his government, it's pretty Thatcherite. Welfare cutting, lack of money for the NHS, and rail nationalization (which Major hadn't got the balls to mention in his memoirs). His 'nice guy' images belies a pretty rightwing government, and that's not just because of the right wingers in his cabinet.
Dbdbe1 correct, the privatisation of railways was also EUs First Railway Directive which means a single network,the Eurostar programme under Thatcher was to connect Europe together with trade but weirdly we still use lorries to deliver goods..
To be fair, having an imaginary "special relationship" to manage is having to negotiate foreign policy with both feet nailed to the floor and one arm behind your back. I think people have forgotten that our roll as a nation is as one of those massive aircraft carriers, on steroids. My takeaway was Betty Bothroyd.... you wouldn't mess. Apropo of nothing, Blair did send a small but scary part of the army into an African country, I can't remember which, and it was the right thing to do, and we did the job well. That rarely happens.
@@nudisco300 John Major consistently led a Remain platform throughout his premiership, why would it surprise you that that's his belief? And why would it sicken you that he stood on principle in the referendum? Isn't it more sickening when politicians behave like Boris Johnson did, giving support to a Leave cause he didn't believe in just to become Prime Minister?
You must be joking. He is diverting a direct question because he knew his weakness on those questions. Tonny exactly got that and hammer Jhon one on top of another.
The difference is that "right honourable" is used to denote those who are members of the privy council and "honourable" is used for those who aren't. Also, the person speaking will denote those of their own party by saying something like "my honourable friend the member for Broadland" and denote the opposition by saying something like "the honourable lady from Corby".
Which actually shows how bad things are now. They weren’t giants. We have always deserved so much better. Still agree with you though, I’d be in my late 20s!
All this talk about joining the single currency is really weird listening now. I wonder how close we actually came to signing up to it, scary when you look at how it's gone now!
Can we go back to this? As much as it's entertaining, Boris slinging insults and his jeer fodder cackling like entitled cows in parliament has gotten old for me. It's a place of civilised debate. Not playground gossip and a place to show off a lexicon of insults.
@@paulharrison2325 'vaccine rollout' 'Came out of lockdown' It's a broken record and the only reason they've knifed him is because it looked like he wasn't the winner they thought. It just sickens me to no end. Glad he's going but whoever replaces him won't be better and we're in a hell of a state now
The charisma and intelligence of these two leaders is so refreshing compared with what we have as I write in 2022. We've gone from this to 25 years later, bumbling BoJo and boring as cardboard Starmer. Really quite depressing.
I doubt Blair would have been voted in if everyone knew where we'd be in the mid noughties. Bedlam in the Middle East which is now coming home to roost.
@@sexybeast4320 it seems clear to me that the point is that things really weren’t very shiny back then, regardless of how refreshing this snapshot in time may appear. Could also be summed up with approaching finding out whether Bojo will be censored for breaking ministerial code with parties. Blair’s trial was war crimes.
@@spellywelly I disagree - I believe the gentleman was merely commenting on the quality of the oration of the speakers and not the consequences of their desicions in office or the apparent rosiness of the time - the two are not mutually exclusive I dare say
The sad thing is that John Major actually turned out to be correct. Blair saying one thing, and believing another, ie lying. I may not be the best person to say this without political partiality in the Tories favour but Major did stand firm, "put up or shut up" for example.
Neil Pickles But Major wasn't changing the taxes to make sure they hit the rich not poor and also many things were wrong like his party's ban on teaching about LGBT in sex ed called Section 28,same sex unions,the DLA which was dreadful paid to people who faked it,the CSA and deadbeat dad's getting away with murder,drugs and youth crime under both was appalling.Teen pregnancy rose the highest and both failed on UK skills.Deficit on trade grew and the Environmental issues weren't dealt with.The Environment Agency should also be responsible for collecting rubbish and stopping flytipping where lazy councils can't afford to do anything due to cuts
I'm a Labour member and I thought Major did rather well, though I don't think either looked great. Given we're watching one of the most electorally successful politicians Britain has produced, I was expecting more from Blair. Though either would be a marked improvement on what we have now, or soon will.
Blair was the best Labour PM we have had if only he hadn't got to involved with Bush and US foreign policy and dragged us into the Iraq War then I think he would have had a fourth term. I did like John Major though he is the only Tory leader I have liked.
Well obviously you do not know your Prime Ministers as Harold Wilson and Clement Attlee are regarded as the best Labour Prime Ministers and actually have statues and busts after them. And Sir Alec Douglas-Home was a very good Conservative Prime Minister he only narrowly lost the election in 1964 because he came across a bit posh and outdated yet he actually had modern policies.
@@camerondalton8555 Clement Attlee lead Britain as it recovered from the exaustion and sacrifice of winning the Second World War, set the colonies free, created the National Health Service and the welfare state and guided the country into its new place in the post-WWII world. Harold Wilson abolished the death penalty, outlawed racial and sex discrimination, abolished theatre censorship, decriminalized homosexuality, kept Britain out of the Vietnam war and expanded the welfare state that Clement Atlee had begun. Tony Blair scrapped Section 28, introduced Civil Partnerships for gay couples, completed the Northern Ireland peace process, increased funding for the NHS and saved thousands of Kosovans from ethnic cleansing in 1999. Today there are hundreds of young Kosovan men named after Tony Blair, in gratitude for the NATO intervention, for which he pushed.
@@veggie42 Be careful what you wish for what happens when the EU Collapses with the rise of the far right rising in France, Italy, Germany etc Europe is going back to the bad old days of the 1930s with Russia behind the far right and there dream of a Eurasian Union from Vladivostok to Lisbon we are heading for fascism and another World war if the EU COLLAPSES
It would be... except that New Labour won the 1997 general election by a landslide. And the 2001 general election and the 2005 general election. They must have been doing something right.
By winning he meant that Blair was failing with his rhetoric so he had to switch to ad hominem school yard politics and in turn the British ate it up and we all got a mass murderer well done again mugs 👏👏👏
@MrAeronuk1 I never said it was close to winning an election. I just said its slowly recovering from the damage the Blairites did and still are doing to the labour party. Stop misquoting what I said.
UpstairsSignificance Blair was the greatest thing that happened to the Labour party. His cocksuckers, on the other hand, need to realise his ideology is over.
This is the only way politicians should debate. Now, our Presidents get questions before hand, studies answers, and calls them "impromptu". You should be able to answer on your feet to direct questions and people keeping you honest. Love it to death. Best form of government debating hands down.
Contrast Blair's eloquence, backbone and conviction with that limp noodle Corbyn. If someone tough like Blair was leading Labour now, the Tories would have been obliterated at the last election.
@Richard L Yes indeed. I like British politicians but not Tony Blair. He has helped to destroy Irak. Shame on him. The world will remember him as a blind supporter of the Americans. But i think that the present labour leader is great.He dares speak out to the USA when they are wrong. God bless him and the UK.
What made Blair amazing is the way he responded to Major’s jibes. Miliband, Corbyn and Starmer would sit there and take it from the PM, never defend themselves or their party and simply move on to the next scripted question.
Blair remains the greatest PM ever. Did many things I disagreed with, but did so much good too. Much more good than all three of the last tory PM's combined!
+Steve W Totally agree! I absolutely despair at the current Labour leadership and their so called purists that just don't get it! Blair was brilliant- the Tories were scared to death of him.
I wasn't a huge fan of John back in the day, but, to be honest, I had no major issues with him.........major issues?......MAJOR!.....get it?!.....I'm here all week lads
People go on at Blair a lot, I would argue unfairly. I hate labour, I vote UKIP. I do know that Blair was very tough on terrorists during his time, and he took difficult decisions head on. Now though the labor party is still looking for an alternative to Blairism.
Well I loved the live talk both Tony Blair and Sir John Major really hit the spot ! I laughed at the weak ,weak ,weak part but my favourite moments was when they featured Ted Heath !
There is a remake of this now .. they decided the Tory defeat of 1997 was so good and that being able to afford to live was actually so fun that we are going to have another crack at it after the next general election
Not really. Because the final years of the John Major government. THEY NEVER REGAINED IN THE POLLS. Rishi Sunak's Tories are actually slowly regaining ground. And the fact Keir Starmer is no Tony Blair. He's too obviously conniving and boring.
Regardless of what side you support, politicians were a lot more intelligent back then. You can feel the quality. Nothing like the dripple of today's parliament.
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It's so weird seeing Major as a person and not a grey puppet.
Carlos Ghosn's brother The peas are good tonight dear.
You're gooddamn right
LOL spitting image so good
Was the Grey one The authentic one? Isn’t this one just a stand in?
@@zacscalafini6545 now I don't know which one is the real one.
0:55 ironic that the Tory party benches at the time were laughing about the idea of withdrawing from the EU. How far we have come...
Alex Mackay that’s before the EU started abusing their powers and letting anybody in.
Indeed!!!
How far the Tories have moved and changed with the times but even more shocking how much further Labour have shifted to the left and how far out of touch they now are with the working class.
mwc1988 the north love socialism pal
Not sure if they’re laughing at the idea of leaving - a lot were Eurosceptics even if Major was an EU superman - so much as laughing at the idea of Blair being so hypocritical about it.
This was at a time when political leaders were actually skilled parliamentarians highly accomplished in the art of debate.
I mean. It’s only slightly better. The evolution of technology has changed so much in the last 200 years, but the state of Parliament has not - apart from the average IQ, which has decreased by a landslide.
Not really
It’s not much better tbh. The only real difference is Blair used political insults, whereas Kier uses silly schoolyard jokes and street rap battle dissing. Corbyn was much closer to Blair in that sense, actually pointing out problems with respect and insulting his opposition directly through comments about their poor responses to the issues at hand, and his fellow parliamentarians didn’t seem to like it one bit.
Tony Blair is there, that war criminal who orphaned many children and killed thousands with his American masters claiming of fake WMD in Iraq isn't worthy of intelligence.
@@TechnoLadz Slightly? It as changed ALOT, and its not technology. The problem is people have become weaker at least back then, they had some identity and values, but today? Nothing of this exists or matters any longer.
This seems like heaven compared with 2019
We should have joined the Euro!
True 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 but UK made it
Try 2020!
2019 seems like heaven compared with 2020
@@threegenders201 then we would be a German state
"I count my blessings for the fact I don't have to go into that pit that John Major stands in, nose-to-nose with the opposition, and yelling at each other." - U.S. President George H.W. Bush.
Ferdinand Liem But his son went into the pit of Tony Blair...
The United States could use something like "Prime Minister's Questions", it would certainly foster greater accountability in our system- especially at the federal level!
@@historyprofessor1985 imagine Donald Trump in a setting like that. He wouldn't last five minutes.
@@AH-be6bu He couldn't survive in any elected body and he sure as hell would never get elected leader for the Republican Party.
@@AH-be6bu Wouldn't last five minutes against such all-knowing heavyweights like Joe Biden, that's quite the fantasy.
Drastic difference in intelligence between these guys and today's politicians.
Major was literally one of the most uneducated PM we ever had since WW2, the man was in charge during black Wednesday... his government crashed the economy a magnitude worse than Liz, which they did fix it, they also lost the next election due to it, in a landslide and a generation of voter said, never tory, until we voted them in again in 2010... the electorate the memory of a goldfish, as well see in 10-15 years time.
Brown was the most educated PM we have had in over 100 years with a PHD, yes he sold the gold (maybe he should have made bitcoin and bought it then, hell maybe invest in PPE), but he was according to economics academics, one of our best chancellors, PM is another story. Atlee and Wilson were also both academics and lecturers.
@@RR-cl2vf Major might have been uneducated (comparatively speaking) but none the less conducted himself in a manner that belied his background. The same can’t be said about the likes of Boris, Truss, May and so on. Obviously things went tits up under Major but I’d argue that Thatcher did worse things that should have given a generation and so on, more than enough reason to never vote Tory again.
@@RR-cl2vf Your “educated Blair” followed Bush into an illegal war, something Major wouldn’t have done. Blair got elected by pretending to be a Tory with his “new labour” bullshit. I see Starmer is trying to follow in his footsteps posing with a Union Jack, like he can convince someone he is patriotic lol.
@@Lukex29 Lol overall the tory party supported the war more than labour, with ~90% voting for it. The general public also supported the war, at 53% and 6 crossbench inquiries have cleared brown and Blair. Think of a new talking point.
The tories for the most part supported every war/military action since WW2, including recent ones since Iraq, i.e: Syria. The Tories lost us our superpower title in the Suez crisis and even supported sending troops to Vietnam when Wilson refused to send any.
The left and centre for the most part were against the war(s) and marched against them. Don't try and pretend the tories were ever against wars in general let alone the Iraq war ( Polls from that time and Facts say otherwise and facts don't care about your fe-fe's).
Blair never pretended to be a tory, he said he was a social democrat and not a socialist like previous labour leaders. He wanted regulations rather than nationalisation( a lot of his regulations were easily reversed when the tories and LibDems took office). He said he would not renationalise Thatcher privatizations and he would not regulate the financial markets. This all showed to be bad ideas when we had a global crisis when we found out the financial sector was scamming people due to low regulation worldwide and we now have worse services for higher prices, which we see to this day with energy, rail and water. So Blair tried his 'thrid way' to keep both sides happy and the right-wing ideas have left us in a horrible situation, especially after 12 years of tory rule. if you think the UK is better than it was pre-2007 or even 2010, then I need some of whatever you're smoking. The average brit in real terms is 11-15 % worse of and public sector workers like nurses are now 20% worse of just in 12 years of tory rules.
"I think of myself as fairly left wing but John Major was the best prime minister of my lifetime (1977-). His biggest achievement was probably his contribution to the Irish peace process, for which he’s rarely given enough credit (on the GB side, the glitzier Tony Blair gets all the kudos), but he also delivered, after a shaky start, a booming economy through fiscal policies which were deemed benign enough for Gordon Brown to continue and his government also saw the introduction, albeit at a cautious pace, of a socially liberal approach to censorship and gay righrts. His foreign policy interventions were generally sensible, rarely ethically dubious and never resulted in the kind of strategic blunder that resulted from Blair’s incursion into Iraq. Perhaps most strikingly, he was able to preside over, and win an election with, a woefully divided Conservative Party and protect the country from the sort of calamitous approach to Europe taken by his ostensibly more statesmenlike succeasor, David Cameron. And all of this without introducing student tuition fees.
On the minus side, you have rail privatisation (either too far, or not far enough depending on your perspective), PFI (for which he largely eacapes the blame; this doesn’t really compensate for the fact his role in NI is often overlooked) and a seeming level of callousness towards the poorest in society (his ‘eyesore’ remarks about beggars inspired my one and only letter to a prime minister). None of which amount to an Iraq or a Brexit.
On the whole, a decent chap who did a good job and who continues to contribute to the political process with a quiet dignity."
Answer from Quora. What do you think?
John Prescott has looked the same age for the last 20 years.
For the last 120 years.
James M Good old Jabba! remember the Brits 97? Prezza had an ice bucket chucked over him by Danbert Nobacon from Chumbawhumba!
Collette Post yep but pretty sure that was Brits in 98. 97 was just about Geri in that Union Jack dress..
John Major is like a mix of Clark Kent and Michael Caine
Well done for that observo
Major's nickname was Supermoron. Not a lot of people know that.
tontotings My name is Michael Coke-aine and I like Curries!
pix046 Thus they proved they were neither without technical skill in psychology nor fascist ableist eugenists, but fine right-on people. Ffs.
Kathy Bramley What bollocks are you talking about?
Notice how they answered one another. That never happens at PMQ now.
We used to be something
@@zion1180 not really. just not as bad as boris
@@lukemullan636 I mean we definitely used to have it and it was the Navy.
th-cam.com/video/xo5dnxw2PGc/w-d-xo.html - I mean it's definitely a lot more of an answer compared to this 😂
Sigh. What a shambles we are now.
I was too young to appreciate how these gentlemen debated with charisma.
I love how Heseltine keeps staring down Major thinking "I should be where he is stood."
THIS IS A JOB FOR BLONDMAN
"HERE IS MY THREE POINT PLAN TO BE PRIME MINISTER:
1. I WANT TO BE PRIME MINISTER
2. I WANT TO BE PRIME MINISTER
3. I WANT TO BE PRIME MINISTER"
in hindsight and retrospect Heseltine is unlikely to had even the barest qualities to rule the conservative party ,let alone the country
Heseltine is a backstabbing traitor
He had ample of time to be Prime Minister but choose NOT to!
Major and Blair were actually pretty similar politically. Quite ironic.
MrAeronuk1 No?
What to think. Major son of an 80 year old circus hand born in the middle of the nineteenth century, looks like a minor share broker, he was and and as a debater on fact and radio wins every point. But. Blair with Mo Moham and John Prescott presents with a front line as deceptive and hollow as David Lange's in 1984. For a moment in the commons , Blair looks good, with no serious opposition, fifth form debating technique and 6ft 2 height are enough. But actually he is just Luke from Gas and Garters a divine fool in a corrupt church. I mean look at some of the Australian liberal party sites on TH-cam. Its actually the Australian conservative party descended from the Australian United Party. Have a look at Robert Menzies Aus PM 1938-41 and 49-66.a former constitutional lawyer ' pig iron Bob' who defended BHP right to sell steel to Japan in 1939 for six months in defiance of league of nations sanctions and industrial violence. The United Party was seen as as a front for big business, national interest or less politely the 'old guard' led by Roger Goldfinch a Israeli financier and CEO of CSR colonial sugar and Menzies wartime Minister of Munitions. Or reflect on the masterpiece John Gorton I lead the Liberal Party not the conservative party. Oxford educated Hurricane pilot of indeterminate Australian kiwi ancestry.Who won an impossible victory in the 1969 election against Whitlam.
@MrAeronuk1 and Blair didn't the single most destructive economic position in the last 40 years
@MrAeronuk1 oh, I'm sorry. Normally, I'm the type of person who criticises bad grammer. But, I think I was writing the comment, went to do somthing else, and forgot a word. :/
@@Mari99528 *grammar
I support labour but think John Major was ok and a likeable Tory compared to Cameron and IDS.
True, I'm no Tory, but I respected John Major. He was a good speaker and a woefully underrated prime minister. As for Cameron, the least said the better.
+ELPaso1990TX I was too young so I'm not sure, but he seems like a likeable character.
+DFandV major was thatchers more tame puppet ......
+ELPaso1990TX There are many, many Tories that are likeable compared to Cameron and IDS
Not likeable
Just in comparison
+*fg@ffgf5885sd55s How was he a puppet he back stabbed her.
It's so nice to see that we've moved on from discussing EU membership :/
Dont worry itll be over very soon and well be better off
i think the 21st century brought increasing doubt about the EU direction of travel,too many remainers were happy for the EU to effectively take over 27 parliament democracies and impart large amounts of EU law and dictates into their countries
@@Heartdrive How's that turned out, given the bar for success is "has anyone starved to death", and even that hasn't been met, as someone unfortunately has.
@@camjkerman good so far!
@@stephenwalsh4481 lol... Stop trolling
Tony Blair, in his first six weeks in office implemented the minimum wage, compensation for gulf war veterans, cut VAT, reformed the lottery so that proceeds went to healthcare and education, banned tobacco advertising, returned Trade Union rights to GCHQ staff, held referendums on Scottish and Welsh devolution, banned the export of landmines,brought in new legislation on owning handguns and signed the European Social Chapter.I'm a Conservative and I respect Blair over the likes of Major.
Blair was conservative as they come !
And started a war! I never liked stab you in the back John Major! Blair was more likeable!
Iraq and immigration has really tainted Blairs reputation
@@stephenwalsh4481 no he didn't do that in the first six weeks.
Devolution has been a total disaster
This is the real John Major right? He's in colour??
Spitting image taught me that he ought to be rather monochromatic.
That guy is doing a great impression of the grey puppet from spitting image
The best comment here 😂
the current leaders certainly lack this level of oratory skills, and perhaps intellect.
ash104 fr. I’m not a Brit but seeing Boris and Corbyn vs these two gentlemen, no comparison. They were around them yes? But Major and Blair were political giants. They’d have charbroiled the UK’s current cabinet.
Major didn't even go to University but as you can see is still very intelligent and articulate.
as much as i cant stand priti patel.. she holds herself pretty well in debates...
Noone has quite had Blair's charisma and magnetism that he had in the 90s, he was the GOAT of oratory
Blair looked almost demonic when he leant over the despatch box shouting weak.
The average age of parliament has decreased by about 30 years
Good.
Average IQ too
You should look at the age of Parliament in the late 18th Century. Half of them were children, not literally. It is how William Pitt the Younger became Prime-Minister at 24 years old. Edit: Here is William Jefferson Hague, Baron Hague of Richmond on William Pitt the Younger's life: ( th-cam.com/video/O0tHmYEaqok/w-d-xo.html ) Edit2: .
@@dominic2196 it isnt a good thing at all. Younger members means less experience more ambition, that's why our politics is a mess.
@Colin-jm8sk And standards have declined accordingly.
Major has a good speaking voice.
Yes. Not much beside to end that onslaught Blair.
mrExcellent101 Hardly he talks out of place he fooled people he was "one of us" he took too much and helped the rich just as much as Blair did 1997 was a paradox I wish I didn't vote New Labour but I didn't after 1999
Collette Post I'm referring to the actual pitch and tone of his vocal ability, it projects well in a large room and is well suited for public debates.
Old John likes his peas.
@@MrAug80 lol
This was a destruction of Major. This matter was the weakest point of the conservative leadership and Blair grabbed a night and twisted it. The vision of Major, incapable of even discussing publicly policy or rifts in back bench/cabinet support and cohesion became a real issue for Major.
People forget how incredible Blair was at PMQs. It was of a different generation of politicians. The bar was raised very high by orators like Margaret Thatcher. You had to really know the detail, there was a real art to it. Blair was a child of that quality and his abilities show it
Yeah he know the art of deception…2003
why did he twist a night and how did he do it?
William Hague often got the better of Blair in the chamber. But could transfer that to the country
@@nikkisinclaire4185 but not effectively in result. Blair couldn't match Hague's intellectual viewpoint, but never had to - however witty Hague developed his commentary, Blair knew he was the smarter hunter. And only when Cameron smelt fatigue in the now elder PM did Blair gladly resign before the Tories inevitably tasted blood.
@@user-jl5sd5kg1b huh.
Wish Keir Starmer had Blair’s charisma. He would definitely be prime minister in 2024 if he wasn’t so boring
Try watching Keir Starmer in pmqs first
Only a labour supporter could like him!
True. Starmer is just not leader material.
He's looking pretty good these days.
@@AWMJoeyjoejoe No he's not, it's just his opposition is looking pretty poor in comparison because of one particular issue
Blair: Week, week, week!
Labour Party: Year, Year, Year!
XD
Major is a good guy and pretty centerist. He was helf to ransom by the right wingers in his party. The Tory party has always been a nest of vipers and the moderates have always been shouted down. As for Blair always thought him odious.
mattbod Do you mean Major did not fully drink the Kool-aid of Thatcher-rite neo-liberalism?
mattbod Except if you look at the legacy of his government, it's pretty Thatcherite. Welfare cutting, lack of money for the NHS, and rail nationalization (which Major hadn't got the balls to mention in his memoirs). His 'nice guy' images belies a pretty rightwing government, and that's not just because of the right wingers in his cabinet.
mattbod He kept Fox Hunting hardly "centrist"
daro2096 Yes those who opposed further European integration and expansion the Maastricht Treaty
Dbdbe1 correct, the privatisation of railways was also EUs First Railway Directive which means a single network,the Eurostar programme under Thatcher was to connect Europe together with trade but weirdly we still use lorries to deliver goods..
John Major was very underated.
Quite the contrary , he was a disaster😊
@@Felix-rising Imbecile.😁
Blair: Domestically great
Foreign policy: Often questionable
Well half true. Obviously the Iraq war was a mistake. But in general he was actual very good at foreign policy.
@@Random17482 that's why I put often questionable, not terrible
To be fair, having an imaginary "special relationship" to manage is having to negotiate foreign policy with both feet nailed to the floor and one arm behind your back. I think people have forgotten that our roll as a nation is as one of those massive aircraft carriers, on steroids. My takeaway was Betty Bothroyd.... you wouldn't mess.
Apropo of nothing, Blair did send a small but scary part of the army into an African country, I can't remember which, and it was the right thing to do, and we did the job well. That rarely happens.
Mass immigration
@@anglodoomer5995 which we clearly needed and are now suffering a lack of you donut
These guys are best friends now
It makes me sick to think I voted for John Major and there he was swanning around the country with Blair telling us all to vote remain.
Ah so you're a brexiteer? Still dont know a single advatage from leaving the union.
@@toffeebear7133 What makes you think I voted in favour of Brexit?
@@boulevard14 sorry it wasn't directed at you. My bad
@@nudisco300 John Major consistently led a Remain platform throughout his premiership, why would it surprise you that that's his belief? And why would it sicken you that he stood on principle in the referendum? Isn't it more sickening when politicians behave like Boris Johnson did, giving support to a Leave cause he didn't believe in just to become Prime Minister?
A PM who actually answers the questions.
Hahahaha…. Nice joke
You must be joking. He is diverting a direct question because he knew his weakness on those questions. Tonny exactly got that and hammer Jhon one on top of another.
I think what the GREAT British people really care about is vaccines flags and the energy bill. What was the question?
Not really, listen to that first question
Why do I get the feeling that "right honorable gentleman" is more of an insult than an honorable form of address
so are they all honorable men
The difference is that "right honourable" is used to denote those who are members of the privy council and "honourable" is used for those who aren't.
Also, the person speaking will denote those of their own party by saying something like "my honourable friend the member for Broadland" and denote the opposition by saying something like "the honourable lady from Corby".
What I'd give to go back to this.
A country to be proud of.
Which actually shows how bad things are now. They weren’t giants. We have always deserved so much better. Still agree with you though, I’d be in my late 20s!
The level has certainly lowered in 25 years. Please don't let Britain become second-rate.
..on the way to becoming an african stste for the poor and middle class ......the Rich of course will stay rich ....-classic communism ...!!!!
And now in late 2023 this phrase has been revived to describe Rishi Sunak for his failure to sack Suella Braverman.
"Behind closed doors he says one thing and in front of the public another"
Major had him sussed from day one.
The same could be said for every politician.
That and saying anything to get a vote. Major knew the score.
All this talk about joining the single currency is really weird listening now. I wonder how close we actually came to signing up to it, scary when you look at how it's gone now!
teehee1604 Gordon Brown wouldn't even give the idea of joining the Euro the time of day, so not that close.
Jack Briggs Gordon Brown wouldn't, no, but there were plenty within the Labour party and the Liberal Democrats at the time who certainly would.
+teehee1604 But Brown was Chancellor and he was the one who decided to keep the pound
Kevin Longman If Brown wasn't chancellor though, another person in the role at that time may well have signed us up.
+teehee1604 Tony Blair wanted the Euro, Brown wanted to stay with the Pound.
Can we go back to this? As much as it's entertaining, Boris slinging insults and his jeer fodder cackling like entitled cows in parliament has gotten old for me. It's a place of civilised debate. Not playground gossip and a place to show off a lexicon of insults.
This is exactly the same though lol parliament has never been any different from playground behavior
@@TheSuperSpinD listen to the content when major and Blair debated, it was leagues above the nonsense of Johnson.
@@paulharrison2325
'vaccine rollout'
'Came out of lockdown'
It's a broken record and the only reason they've knifed him is because it looked like he wasn't the winner they thought. It just sickens me to no end. Glad he's going but whoever replaces him won't be better and we're in a hell of a state now
"Weak, weak, weak!" topped with a staredown! Niceee!
The charisma and intelligence of these two leaders is so refreshing compared with what we have as I write in 2022. We've gone from this to 25 years later, bumbling BoJo and boring as cardboard Starmer. Really quite depressing.
I doubt Blair would have been voted in if everyone knew where we'd be in the mid noughties. Bedlam in the Middle East which is now coming home to roost.
@@AdamPalomino what's that got to do with James' comment
@@sexybeast4320 it seems clear to me that the point is that things really weren’t very shiny back then, regardless of how refreshing this snapshot in time may appear.
Could also be summed up with approaching finding out whether Bojo will be censored for breaking ministerial code with parties. Blair’s trial was war crimes.
Cardboard?
@@spellywelly I disagree - I believe the gentleman was merely commenting on the quality of the oration of the speakers and not the consequences of their desicions in office or the apparent rosiness of the time - the two are not mutually exclusive I dare say
Love them or hate them ..they were political giants by the standards of 2019
2022: hold my beer
Give it time…
BLAIR IS WARMONGER WARMONGER WARMONGER AND CROOK DEATH DUTY
4:00 arrrrrrrr yesss. i'd prefer blair over cameron and may any day lol
Old Labour --> New Labour --> Dead Labour
Kingofdinner He wasn't really bar the Ed Stone that reminded me Sir Gerald Kaufman's Suicide Note for Labour should've been written on it
Old Labour --> New Labour --> Dead Labour --> Soon to be in government Labour
Kingofdinner Lol Miliband was an awful Labour Leader. They only went downhill after Blair left
@@Zero_Ninety lol "soon to be in government"
@@Zero_Ninety lol
The sad thing is that John Major actually turned out to be correct. Blair saying one thing, and believing another, ie lying. I may not be the best person to say this without political partiality in the Tories favour but Major did stand firm, "put up or shut up" for example.
Neil Pickles But Major wasn't changing the taxes to make sure they hit the rich not poor and also many things were wrong like his party's ban on teaching about LGBT in sex ed called Section 28,same sex unions,the DLA which was dreadful paid to people who faked it,the CSA and deadbeat dad's getting away with murder,drugs and youth crime under both was appalling.Teen pregnancy rose the highest and both failed on UK skills.Deficit on trade grew and the Environmental issues weren't dealt with.The Environment Agency should also be responsible for collecting rubbish and stopping flytipping where lazy councils can't afford to do anything due to cuts
I don't really care about what you said, tbh I didn't even read it. Is your name really Neil Pickles? I don't mean to offend, merely interested.
Neil Pickles
I'm a Labour member and I thought Major did rather well, though I don't think either looked great. Given we're watching one of the most electorally successful politicians Britain has produced, I was expecting more from Blair. Though either would be a marked improvement on what we have now, or soon will.
@@jimjam5239 Yeah, both did bad but Major came out on top in this by far.
Can we have our Blair back please?
No fucking thank you
Only if want more wars and a couple million more dead innocents
Fuck off .. should off stuck the prick behind enemy lines in Iraq himself .
@@MrJohndory111 Toryboy.
@@jamesbentall3984 fuck off yourself toryboy.
I liked Blair's early work.
Shame about all those dead Iraqis tho
MrJohndory111 Yeah. Blair can get fucked.
Major getting angry in this reminds me of how Boris lost his sht in this
@@chelseaking1735 major was coherent here. Boris is frankly embarrassing to watch
Boris is a crap polication
Once he discovered God and WMDs - well, God - things were never the same.
Blair was the best Labour PM we have had if only he hadn't got to involved with Bush and US foreign policy and dragged us into the Iraq War then I think he would have had a fourth term.
I did like John Major though he is the only Tory leader I have liked.
Well obviously you do not know your Prime Ministers as Harold Wilson and Clement Attlee are regarded as the best Labour Prime Ministers and actually have statues and busts after them. And Sir Alec Douglas-Home was a very good Conservative Prime Minister he only narrowly lost the election in 1964 because he came across a bit posh and outdated yet he actually had modern policies.
Wrong. He was the worst PM we have ever had: the Iraq war, setting free IRA terrorists and devolution.
@@camerondalton8555 Clement Attlee lead Britain as it recovered from the exaustion and sacrifice of winning the Second World War, set the colonies free, created the National Health Service and the welfare state and guided the country into its new place in the post-WWII world.
Harold Wilson abolished the death penalty, outlawed racial and sex discrimination, abolished theatre censorship, decriminalized homosexuality, kept Britain out of the Vietnam war and expanded the welfare state that Clement Atlee had begun.
Tony Blair scrapped Section 28, introduced Civil Partnerships for gay couples, completed the Northern Ireland peace process, increased funding for the NHS and saved thousands of Kosovans from ethnic cleansing in 1999. Today there are hundreds of young Kosovan men named after Tony Blair, in gratitude for the NATO intervention, for which he pushed.
Good friday agreement?
Gordon Brown deserves a shout out for saving the country from economic collapse and insulating it from the worst of the 2008 financial crisis.
I liked the way Blair sat down folding his arms after calling Major weak that's got to be a classic!
All this talk of Tony Blair being anti-EU in those days. Nowadays he's an outspoken, hardcore Remainer.
Clarissa McPigeon Labour were right to be sceptical about the EU they will be proved right when it collapses
@@veggie42 They won't be proven right because they have flip-flopped.
Guga So has everyone else.
Clarissa McPigeon it takes courage & a sense of morality and strength to change one's opinion. Great man.
@@veggie42 Be careful what you wish for what happens when the EU Collapses with the rise of the far right rising in France, Italy, Germany etc Europe is going back to the bad old days of the 1930s with Russia behind the far right and there dream of a Eurasian Union from Vladivostok to Lisbon we are heading for fascism and another World war if the EU COLLAPSES
Michael Cane played this part so well.
betty boothroyd is a boss in this
5:57 he felt like a boss when he wasn't.....
hahahaha
Back when the PM was held to account..
"Whenever the right honourable gentleman gets abusive we know he's losing"Very wise words and an important life lesson.
It would be... except that New Labour won the 1997 general election by a landslide. And the 2001 general election and the 2005 general election. They must have been doing something right.
You are aware Blair whooped his ass in 1997?
By winning he meant that Blair was failing with his rhetoric so he had to switch to ad hominem school yard politics and in turn the British ate it up and we all got a mass murderer well done again mugs 👏👏👏
The worst thing that happened to Labour was the sudden death of......
John Smith. (remember him?)
lewstone1934 no it wasn’t. Blair best thing at ever happened
@@jamiecook7926 The party is only beginning to recover from the damage Blair did.
@MrAeronuk1 I never said it was close to winning an election. I just said its slowly recovering from the damage the Blairites did and still are doing to the labour party. Stop misquoting what I said.
UpstairsSignificance Blair was the greatest thing that happened to the Labour party. His cocksuckers, on the other hand, need to realise his ideology is over.
@@upstairssignificance1419 Blair is hated for very little tbh, its more to do with people falling for the media and tories instead of reality.
mo Mowlam next to Blair. I actually met her once. nice lady
Saying one thing in public and another behind closed doors.......... yep Blair in a nutshell
Major had Blair bang to rights: "He'll do anything for a vote"
This is the only way politicians should debate. Now, our Presidents get questions before hand, studies answers, and calls them "impromptu". You should be able to answer on your feet to direct questions and people keeping you honest. Love it to death. Best form of government debating hands down.
What on earth got to Blair. How good was he then.
Power
He was actually listenable
Get your own house in order Mr. Blair.
Contrast Blair's eloquence, backbone and conviction with that limp noodle Corbyn. If someone tough like Blair was leading Labour now, the Tories would have been obliterated at the last election.
Very true- I would say that Tony Blair is the best prime minister this country’s had in modern times.
@Richard L Yes indeed. I like British politicians but not Tony Blair. He has helped to destroy Irak. Shame on him. The world will remember him as a blind supporter of the Americans. But i think that the present labour leader is great.He dares speak out to the USA when they are wrong. God bless him and the UK.
@@matthewhendy5785 Bloody hell your deluded. He was and still is nothing more than a sociopath whose ideas cost the UK dear.
blair was a war criminal piece of shit who destroyed labour values
Corbyn is the best Labour leader in years
tony blair: young photogenic, brillant speaker, absolute a master of spinning, but after a decade the people would spit him in the face,...
The IRAQ WAR.
Should never had put Blair or blier into number 10
To which the appropriate response from Major to Blair should have been: “LIAR, LIAR,LIAR”
Notice how they actually do answer each others points or questions though...
I didn' know the real John Major wasn't grey!
Never voted Tory but had I’d known what we where getting with Tony Blair’s “New Labour“ I’d have voted Conservative in 1997.
One of the greatest yakedowns of all time tony blair made alot of mistakes but he was a master debater 😂
Same. I think he met his match in Michael Howard, though.
What made Blair amazing is the way he responded to Major’s jibes. Miliband, Corbyn and Starmer would sit there and take it from the PM, never defend themselves or their party and simply move on to the next scripted question.
You were only supposed to blew the bloody doors off - John Major
apparently Tony felt pretty bad about calling Major weak
That's Peter Shore he's talking about.
Michael Meacher.
Tony Blair and the rest of the Labour lot was the nail in the coffin.
shut it tory boy
No, I'd rather you.
Blair remains the greatest PM ever. Did many things I disagreed with, but did so much good too. Much more good than all three of the last tory PM's combined!
+Steve W Totally agree! I absolutely despair at the current Labour leadership and their so called purists that just don't get it! Blair was brilliant- the Tories were scared to death of him.
Visof No Crash Gordon is the problem
I thought Tony was getting the better of John, forgetting that John gets the last word. In any case, the question was not answered.
Never is when it comes to politics anyway.
Hmm Blair was LIAR LIAR LIAR 🤥
Blair my late mum said was more Conservative than the Conservatives. Major was right he was trying to Censor the party.
I wasn't a huge fan of John back in the day, but, to be honest, I had no major issues with him.........major issues?......MAJOR!.....get it?!.....I'm here all week lads
*weak
On your own I assume.
Weak weak weak
Starmer should use this vs johnson
Never would've thought I'd give anything to have the days of Major back.
Major was easily the most qualified PM in recent history.
Does anyone have a video link for the 2006 Queen’s speech debate between Blair & Cameron? Can’t find it anywhere
This is like two old washer women. It does bring out the slipperiness of Blair, though.
Few Years later: "Tony Blair to be Prime Minister and a Landslide is likely"
this was from January 1997
@@classicsportclassictiyl8547 oops, few months later🤣
418 MPs
Historic day indeed
People go on at Blair a lot, I would argue unfairly. I hate labour, I vote UKIP. I do know that Blair was very tough on terrorists during his time, and he took difficult decisions head on. Now though the labor party is still looking for an alternative to Blairism.
look at the prospect of power flushing over him
This. This is what the country needs to get back too...
Well I loved the live talk both Tony Blair and Sir John Major really hit the spot ! I laughed at the weak ,weak ,weak part but my favourite moments was when they featured Ted Heath !
Haha Tories laughing at leaving the EU. If only you knew
Proper politicians , look at now we had Theresa May , Lizz Truss , even mighty Rishi Sunak ffs!
Look Wat happen NEXT GT B LAIR and BROWN sauce
After this grueling question time, John had a cuddle with Edwina.
4:20 for weak, weak, weak!
Cant believe i voted for TB...over 10 years of labour shit .
Two. more yesterday's men we don't need to hear from. Take them off!
Blair isn't using notes. That's very impressive.
I am not impressed
John Major what a legend he was and he sounds kind of like Michael Cain, makes him even better
There is a remake of this now .. they decided the Tory defeat of 1997 was so good and that being able to afford to live was actually so fun that we are going to have another crack at it after the next general election
Not really. Because the final years of the John Major government. THEY NEVER REGAINED IN THE POLLS. Rishi Sunak's Tories are actually slowly regaining ground. And the fact Keir Starmer is no Tony Blair. He's too obviously conniving and boring.
Regardless of what side you support, politicians were a lot more intelligent back then. You can feel the quality. Nothing like the dripple of today's parliament.
Who thinks John Major sounds exactly like Michael Cain in this clip? Particularly the Fast Show version!
As a society we’ve dumbed down and become more venal - the quality of our politicians just reflect this.
Right honourable gentle men count x213?
Ah yes......back when MP's had IQ's higher than a fence post......aaaah the good old days..........