@@apnosaurus from my understanding, having the Ruby and Sapphire wedding was something Rebecca Sugar fought for and Cartoon Network told her she could have it but it would cause the show to lose funding because multiple countries would stop airing the show as a result of the wedding. After the decision was made to include the wedding they only had enough money to make a few more episodes (hence why the ending was so rushed) then at some point after that cartoon network decided to give them another series, thus leading to Steven Universe Future being made.
@@apnosaurus they didn't cut ALL funding, the show lost a lot of funding, as far as I'm aware the movie was already in production and Cartoon Network, seeing that the series was still popular enough to warrant another season, decided to greenlight another season, but because the series already had it's final episode produced they decided to take that funding and make an epilogue series
“The Crewniverse” is the name fans call the people who worked on the show, not the gems Steven lives with, they along with Steven are known as “The Crystal Gems”.
the only fandom that i think is even slightly justified for being toxic is Scooby-Doo, because WOW is Velma BAD. i personally tend to find things i like in shows that people dont like, but Velma? damn, beyond the concept of a more mature Scooby-Doo, Velma is one of the worst cartoons/adult animations i've ever seen, and it's not the fault of the animators, or the voice actors, it's the fault of the creator of Velma and the writers who think that is good work they are doing.
I have never understood the Steven Universe hate. Certain criticism sure, but the hate? I got into it around when season three was halfway or something, and would watch it as each episode came out, and it is hands down my favorite show. I recommend it to anyone and everyone who will let me talk to them for long enough. I realize that a lot of it is my personal taste and not objective quality, and you are talking about a girl whose top three favorite foods include yesterday's frozen pizza reheated in the microwave, but still
Couldn’t even make it through season 1 everyone was hyping the show up but like Christ the show was just unbearable especially the joke that was the animation
I didn't even know that Steven universe was so controversial till after I finished the show, it's so emotionally complex and relatable for me and my friends, we all loved it. Especially the music, I unironically listen to it all the time.
is not hated or controversial. he just lumps criticism and haters together. I know people with criticism about something in steven universe but they would recommend the series in a heartbeat. they love the show.
Something that also affected the reception of Steven Universe was its horrendous release schedule. Constant hiatuses, no communication and batches of episodes were small, sometimes only 1 episode and the show went on a hiatus again.
@@apnosaurus oh no I was talking about Arsskaful 's pfp ( Nox is a character from a really great show called Wakfu. You should try it it's got good animation and beautiful characters design in my opinion)
Owl House was another show that was criticized a lot, most of them are about the "Filler" episodes of season 1, Gus and Willow not being used a lot in episodes, and Lumity, the Filler episode argument is the one I most didn't agree on as of course it's gonna have filler episodes, it's not gonna get serious off the bat I mean frick can't the characters just have fun without dealing with anything serious
What about these "complaints" for Gus, Willow, and Lumity? If most those "complaints" about Lumity were from the anti shippers on Tumblr, then that'd make sense.
@@dylansharp8471 yes they did actually, you see see the ammout of focus episodes willow and gus have combined is less than the focus episodes of either amity OR hunter.
@@apnosaurus I do see the complaint...but that's not the entire issue. I bet without the whole Disney ending this short, they would have their individual episodes to grow them more, but since they want to wrap things up, Dana had to focus on what is important to the series, aka the main character's growth and King's tides to the story.
The community was divided between two extremes. The people who blindly followed the show religiously and would get personally offended if you said anything bad about it. And the people who hated every flaw they saw with it and couldn't enjoy the show after a certain point. This resulted in a lot of back and forth yelling.
I agreed with many of your points, but it's very hard to appreciate the animation of Velma when the characters are so unlikable and the humor is so awful, and the fact that HBO/Warner brothers canceled so many animated projects and ongoing series.
Don’t appreciate it if you can’t! Just don’t shit on the animation because all of these other factors, when there’s no argument for it… it’s like you missed the whole point of the video! Critique all you want when you have proper arguments to do so, dislike the show for it, it’s justified, just don’t make shit up…
@@gorux yeah, it's weird how when people hate something they're so reluctant to praise any single part of it, that they'll make something up and say the animation is bad when it isn't like, if you hate something you should be able to hate it for stuff that's actually true and not have to make stuff up lmao
@@gorux that would be a good point, if anyone was actually doing that. I’m sure a few dumbasses have been saying the show visually is bad just because it’s popular to shit on it, but 99% of people have been commenting on how awful the humor and characters are, and the animation has actually been like the only thing that has gotten a single ounce of praise.
@@gorux 'Just don't make shit up' I agree, but that's what he is doing too, sure I've seen some comments about Velma having 'Bad Animation' but like @OakleyHasAFoot 787 a lot more videos who don't like the show either don't mention Animation or say that it's good, but he is acting like majority of the people say it's bad.
But the animation gets really bad sometimes, mostly in movement/reused animation/ weird cut aways and cheap shortcuts. I imagine the team was forced to used bad tactics to pump the show out
I'm a bit of an isolationist who's starting to break out of her shell, but even I know that complaining about a picture of Rose Quartz being drawn on the internet to the point of looking slightly skinnier to the point of driving a child to suicide is not a constructive use of one's time.
Great destruction of toxic internet tendencies. It genuinely passes me off how TH-camrs who don't know shit about the animation industry make a buck harassing the people who make these shows just because they know it's easier appealing to people's desire to be enraged than actually having talent.
I feel online communities tend to either OVERHYPE or just plain HATE something without having that nuanced discussion about what worked and didn't work. It happened with "Velma" and got so bad that people compared it to "Puss in Boots; The Last Wish" even though the two productions couldn't be any different other than being animated and one actually caring for the medium and the other just being trash. This leads to series and movies being so overhyped people hate it out of principle, or so overhated you wonder what was there that caused so much vitriol. The cartoon/animation community is notorious for this we we seemingly normalized having a hyperbolic mindset that accepts having toxic tendencies. You CAN call out a show's weaknesses and strengths without having to have wish death upon those that created it. It's like people forget that at the end of the day we are all just grown-ass adults fighting over cartoons. We should learn to hype responsibly and accept that not everyone will love or hate the same thing and THAT'S OK.
My first experience with toxic fandoms was when I was about seven, way back in the mid-90s. The original Star Wars trilogy had just been re-released on VHS and everyone was raving about it, especially on the playgrounds of schools across the country. Like many kids that age, I'd both watched and loved them, but the enjoyment was soured when I told my classmates that Return of the Jedi was my favourite. All of a sudden, I was a laughing stock by everyone else, who evidently had all agreed that Empire was the better choice. And that kind of "let's gang up on the one guy in the group who thinks different to the rest of us" is something I've unfortunately had to see (either done to others or be on the receiving end myself) in every other fandom I've been a part of 😟
I love Steven Universe. I understand when people dislike it because it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I kind of grew up with it and it's nostalgic to me. It was really important to me and it still is. The soundtrack is BOMB, (Here Comes a Thought still makes me cry, I needed it so badly) and the themes of exploring mental health makes it one of the best cartoons I remember watching.
same it's the initial reason i decided to pursue animation, all it's other aspects like it's art and music are super charming as it is without needing to be so deep and critical about the story.
I've been a Steven Universe fan for far longer than you have, and I have witnessed all the toxicity of the fandom firsthand. What is it with fans of cartoons these days thinking they should only be what they want them to be at the expense of everything they are? I've mostly seen it with The Owl House, Amphibia, and Helluva Boss at the moment.
yeah, no one seems to talk about how bad the helluva boss fandom can be, the show has its flaws of course but a lot of fans act like because a certain episode is lackluster that the show is horrible, i've legit heard someone say "the show is sinking" because they didn't like one episode also people hate on stolas and stolitz so much, i get not liking him or the ship, but people act like him being in an episode makes the episode terrible
@@dylansharp8471 I mean the kinds of fans who think that they know the show better than the creators, like wanting Anne to suffer for the sake of Sashannarcy angst, grasping at straws about how Luz is going to die because "Dana hates happy endings", or saying Stella being a horrible person for the heck of it is bad writing for the sake of pandering to Stolitz fans.
The thumbnail implies that Velma has a fandom. I have never met a SINGLE PERSON of any age, race, religion, or anything on the internet that actually liked that show. It’s well animated and I’m all for that, and Norville, the show’s only saving grace of a character, is actually pretty cool when he isn’t saying he hates drugs. Everything else about the show is absolutely terrible though!
What makes it worse is this type of content doesnt just ruin whats good in the show it also ruins genuine critique about the show. No one will take you seriously if all any one hears is ppl shitting on the show for no good reason.
I knew some people hated steven universe but I thought it was generally liked??? Like omg I loved this show so damn much and the representation was amazing
Velma was hot garbage, yet all the hate caused it to get a second season long before the second episode released Of course, not all of it, but the exposure these shows get from people hating on them is having a counterproductive effect. We live in a world where cancel culture is seen as profit
Given how long it takes for most animated shows to make episodes, it's probably likely those season 2 episodes were already in development long before the public backlash got big (and maybe even before season 1 aired since some studios will occasionally greenlit multiple seasons of a show).
@@mjangelvortex Somehow, that makes it even worse These shows wouldn't think a second thought about how a product would go, so long as they have a lot of it
most animated shows have 2 seasons in the making , at most only the first episode will do good since people will want to see if the rumors are true then it begin to dip in ratings since people will just look for there favorite critic youtuber to views in other words let them take bullet to see how it is
I think a lot of the hate on Steven universe comes from those of us who watched it from the beginning. We were so excited and loved the show and loved everything that it was building up for, we were very emotionally invested and were not knowing what to expect. And one thing that the show did a really great job of is making us really hate diamonds. That’s why a lot of us did not like the redemption arc. Because they made literal space Nazis and then told everyone that they have to forgive them. Then you re-watch the show and see them only ever punish people who have been abused in a striking out because they have been hurt but only ever forgive people who just spout hateful rhetoric. That’s where I think a lot of the justified hatred for the show comes from. It’s not the show isn’t good, it’s that it is so good and yet it has underlying themes of forgiving genocidal Nazis and people who are bigots and giving them a second chance instead of giving those who need a second chance. It’s like getting a beautiful and delicious dessert, and it taste great but then having an awful aftertaste that makes you violently ill later.
Yeah. It was a mess. It just felt like someone took the playground philosophy of “forgive and forget” and actually tried to apply it to things like genocide, Coercion and straight up abuse. Which was either seen as malice or, by most people, insane naivety from the creators who bought and sold it so eagerly. Rise of the TMNT also had a similar issue with the character of Baron Draxum. However, unlike Steven Universe, the one good thing was that they could actually defeat him. But dear lord, his presence in season 2 dragged him and Mikey down Big Time.
@@dweebteambuilderjones7627 which wouldn’t be so bad if things were different. However, she had this habit of making the abused quiet so only Steven can talk for them. Or, in the case of curing corruption, have the abuser be the only one able to fix said abuse. Which is just disgusting.
@@christopherbennett5858 Agreed, the first/third-person limited perspective of the series really worked against it by making it so that Steven had to be the one with the most agency when fixing the Gems' problems. Should've been third-person omniscient.
For steven universe I was annoyed by the finale season, hiatus’s, and some of its writing but I never really hated it. I guess a lot of people became frustrated with how it was handled
Avatar and Steven Universe deserve fandoms…VELMA DOES NOT Quick edit: don’t blame the shows for their audience of some people who coincidentally are terrible
well i do like criticizing things because of one thing: discussion, i love talking about subjects like this and negativity isn't always bad. and sometimes i even enjoy arguing, it'll sound weird but it giving me primarily adrenaline, however when i talk badly about something I'm always trying to be as polite as possible (unless i think the show can cause actual harm, like su future). the most important thing about criticizing something is to acknowledge good parts (unless u don't see any), because it can show other future creators what is seen as bad or good, but i must admit, good things aren't always major and sometimes despite good animation or humor, show is just garbage. and answering ur question, who do you do that for. myself, I'm letting my emotions out, which is a good thing to do if u're not hurting anybody with this
maybe if fandoms didn't exist we wouldn't have this problem,cause when I was a kid there was no such thing as a fandom,all I had to do was sit on my ass and watch my favorite shows and talk about them with my friends
Believe me when i say fandoms existed for far longer than you think. And fandoms existing is not a bad thing at all. A lot of good can come from it. Though then there is every fandoms toxic batch.
Steven Universe came out at around the same time that I started questioning my gender, sexuality, and my place in the world among other things. It really helped me learn how to accept myself for who I was and how to recognize when I needed to ask for help from others. I figured out pretty quickly that fusions were a metaphor/symbol for relationships/love being expressed in a relationship and it made me feel so much more comfortable and happy with the show once I figured that out. The fusions are not limited to characters who are romantically attached to each other, they also happen to show different kinds of love. When Steven and Greg fused in the movie, it was a show of familial love. When Ruby and Sapphire fuse, it's a show of romantic love. When Steven fused with himself after the White Diamond showdown, it was a show of self love. So on and so forth. But it also shows things like when relationships go bad or how it's normal for some people to just not want to be in a relationship while also expressing that the love is still there, even if it's not being expressed in the conventional way. Peridot, for example, has shown interest in fusion before (asking questions, running tests, etc.) but doesn't wish to be fused with anyone else. She has also shown her interest in romantic relationships (shipping charts and stuff) but she actively avoids becoming involved in anything like that. And it's perfectly fine! Nobody gets mad at Peridot for not wanting to fuse and instead they all respect her decision and let her express her care and love for others in her way. Lapis Lazuli and Jasper are the prime examples of a toxic/abusive/unhealthy relationship because neither of them actually cared for each other and instead had separate goals that directly opposed each other. Jasper wanted Lapis' strength in order to kill Steven, but Lapis wanted to have someone to take her anger out on. Who better than the gem that's actively trying to kill the kid who just freed her from her 1000 year imprisonment in the mirror? They both attached to each other because they both wanted to cause pain and suffering, but that is not what a relationship or a fusion should be based on. After Lapis and Jasper unfused and they went their separate ways, Lapis expressed that she never wanted to fuse with anyone ever again because of how badly things went with Jasper. At first, she even refused to develop any sort of connection to anyone other than Steven. Lapis was aggressive towards everyone who wasn't Steven because she was afraid of what would happen if she got attached again. At the end of the story though, Lapis is now friends with the other Crystal Gems and she has been learning from them that it's okay to love and trust others who have earned it from you. There's so much more that I could go on about but I'm sick and I'm running g out of brain cells. The point I'm trying to make is that the entire show, every single character present, every theme, every episode, the very essence of the cartoon Steven Universe is healing. Healing wounds, physical and mental. Healing relationships. Healing past traumas and misconceptions. Healing from mistakes, both your own and others. The very soul of the show is healing in every sense of the word.
The Velma show plotline, forced integration thrown into the marketing (honestly I get cynical when the marketing prioritizes diversity because it is way too often hot air and clout chasing), and jokes are groan worthy but I had the same idea about the animation being not bad. Like, the show is bad, but the animation would be a big refresh if there wasn't so much other stuff to suffer through. For Steven Universe, you didn't know Garnet was a couple of non-binary lesbians (or at least the closest they could get at the time by making them technically rocks with she/her and they/them pronouns and just that being their whole species) until like 50 episodes in. But the further along they got the more the show managed to cover new, very important topics and even troll the censoring squads in other parts of the world with Ruby in a dress and Sapphire in a suit. All while never once announcing it as the main idea of the show, because the main ideas if the show were overcoming trauma and a deconstruction of love and loss, as well as growing up. That and learning that someone you build yourself around wasn't a great person until near the end of their life, and that leaving a place of abuse still has an aftermath on new people they meet and even those after they pass away.
You can't be non-binary and lesbian, not to mention non-binary is something someone made up on the spot. Also it's rude to refer to someone as they/them.
You perfectly summed it up Every series will have its faults The only difference now then let’s say 10 years ago is that people are more vocal about these faults because of things like social media And the more people point it out the more the series just seems negative When it’s not Peoples standards nowadays feel too high in my opinion To the point that if it’s not literally gold in writing and animation It’s classed as bad or even trash Plus most of these people haven’t even watched the series-they just want views
I think what contributed to the growing hate toward SU was the fact that it went on hiatus' for weeks/months at a time only to come back for 3-4 episodes to drop either a filler Towne episode or a controversial episode (Pink Diamond reveal) and leave us hanging for another few months. I suspect the time spent away from the show gave people a bit too much time to think.
Honestly, am still a fan of steven universe today. I'm a fan of a lot of things with 'toxic fandoms' as people would say (every fandom has toxic people. Some are just louder or well known than others). I mostly remove myself from toxic fandoms without removing myself from the show/game/book/etc itself. Honestly have never been happier enjoying these things than now.
But Velma is hate-baiting. So, you can't fault the fandoms to shit on everything about Velma even if those criticisms are unwarranted. The animation is decent and stood out for an adult animation, but it's not amazing enough that it's gonna change people's opinion about it. When it's blended with very shit writings and directions, everybody will crap on it as well. It's like the cheerleader and fratboy effect in Gumball when the characters surround themselves with pretty people, they all look pretty. Surround the animation with ugly shitty everything else, the animation looks ugly.
You do know that "crewniverse" is the name of the team who worked on Steven Universe alongside Rebecca Sugar, while Garnet, Pearl, Amethyst, Steven are the "Crystal Gems".... right.
I am actually very surprised that there is a lot of people who didn’t like Steven universe usually the people I’ve been around literally worship the show personally I kind of dislike the show but instead.. it’s kind of for personal reasons that obviously isn’t intended to be related to, But the reason why I don’t really like the show, is because at least for me I get bored really quickly like I’m only able to watch like two episodes of the series until my brain literally just dries into itself I thought it was just kid me being biased but even watching the series while I’m older it’s still just painfully boring to me. This is where I give out a bit of criticism for this video. wanted to add just because of Velma has good animating doesn’t automatically mean that it’s a good show I’ve watched many cartoons that have astonishing animation yet Hot garbage writing.. good animation doesn’t efficient if a show is good or not:/ also the thing that you added where you feel like some people like to review in an echo room (basically meaning that they don’t want their opinions to be contradicted) kind of contradicts your own claims because you refuse to actually show face value to why these opinions pop up in the first place which kind of gives off a bit of biased energy. also I can tell that you don’t actually watch the reviews you just assume that they’re being ignorant so I watched some of the “ignorant” reviews that you showed in your video and they actually give a good reasons why they don’t like the show.
Bro, nobody complains about the animation on Velma... They complained about the story and their god awful jokes AND DON'T EVEN SAY I DIDN'T GIVE IT A CHANCE I tried to watch it and I couldn't sit through the first episode...
Like hinted in the video, people should be aware that Steven Universe’s rushed ending and forced redemptions were caused by the ✨homophobic sponsors and broadcasters✨ who were outraged by the lesbian wedding and cut the series’ funds, forcing it to come to an end in a couple of episodes. As for the many animation mishaps... yeah no there’s no defending that, that’s just poor management.
@@MetaKnight964 Homosexuality can’t be unnatural by definition. Countless life forms on Earth engage in homosexual behaviour, and have been since the beginning of time
And some of them were from way before that because Rebecca Sugar is the particular kind of hippie who believes that forgiveness is more important than accountability (see: Lapis, who displays many textbook abusive traits yet is never called out on it).
To be fair what exasperated the situation with the show is that hiatuses and the week-long bomb to make with for TEEN TITAN GO!multiple marathon during the time period, and it also happen to other new series at the time like REGULAR SHOW and ADVENTURE TIME.
Personally, I never really vibed with Steven Universe, more because it's not my thing. I just didn't really like its aesthetic, and it just wasn't really for me. So yeah, I'm fine with people who like it, just not for me. As for Velma, I despise that steaming pile of unfunny garbage, but I will give it credit that the animation is actually alright. If it was for a show that was actually good, I wouldn't mind it. But yeah, I have watched multiple clips of Velma, and the comedy was so bad that it actually made me physically sick. Not even joking. Cool video, bro.
People can shit on SU all they want, it changed my life. Someone in the comments said cartoons can't change your life and that just isn't true. I grew up with the show and it shows so much empathy and love, even I the plotholes and some filler and whatever, I didn't care. The music is beautiful, the art is gorgeous, and I needed a lot of the lessons taught. Could it have been better? Yes. Did all of Steven Universe, including future, help me drastically in life especially in 2020? YES
The only thing you have to understand for Steven universe is that there were two studios working on episodes at once, so you can understand why the models were a bit off at times
As someone that has not seen steven universe but seen countless shows that get praised while running but then when they end bad get dumped on and all its pros forgotten. The ending is the most crucial part. You end bad or mid thats all you get remembered for. Lost had a spectacular first season for example and season 2 & 3 had some stellar stuff. But it ended in manys eyes unsatisfactory and now its just dogged on for rest of its life. Game of thrones (i havent seen) suffered same. it ended so bad it just lost the entire water cooler talk it had. i dont even wanna start it cause of how bad it ends. Before i watched the sopranos, all i knew about was its infamous ending. everything else it accomplished mostly got buried in the cultural zeitgeist. Ending is the most vital.
Got and the sopranos imo are part of the few examples of a show that’s still worth a watch for what they give despite their endings. What you’ll get throughout the journey is just so magnificent that makes having such endings much more accessory. To the point where it’s not justifiable to miss such a top tier tv experience because of how it ends. Unlike lost… ew!
im a huge fan of steven universe and some of the smaller issues never bothered me. the ending of the show is arguably one of the most important parts of a show i mean when you look back on it you remember mostly the finale. the last chunk of episodes hurt so bad because of how terrible they were in contrast to how fantastic almost everything else was. point is i love the show but the issues are totally valid and hurt my enjoyment of the show quite a bit.
Barely 4 minutes into the video and I just got hit with “ a lovely assortment of weirdos that I would wanna befriend and/or get railed by “ and for some reason I truly felt that
We live in a world where as soon as someone feminine is Introduced into a show Let's just say that every single living thing in the show and the character go through some messed up stuff
I do admit that I can be passionate about some shows, however, I totally agree that if someone does not like my show that's all okay. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, however that does not give you the right to call it garbage or me garbage for liking it. Honestly, I just do not get why lots of people have to bash things these days.
Thank you for this. My friend thinks that su is a bad show just because on Twitter ppl hate it so much. SU is my life, it helped me so, so much and is still helping. I would reccomend this show to anyone ❤
I love Steven Universe, it didn't end on a really good note but at least it didn't end with the main character commiting literal genocide with multiple species. And the soundtrack is undeniably one of CN's best. Man I love the Diamonds' individual themes/chimes, they give me chills.
I feel like you're response to people who give valid criticism about a show is a bit negative. If someone makes an hour-long video talking about how great SU is that's fine, but someone talking about the problems with it It's just a hater?
Off model designs were intentional for steven universe, meant to give the animators more freedom, creative liberties, and input into how the show looks, no body complains about this with ok-ko or any other that does that as well.
I think SMG4 has a way of dealing with the toxic side of his fanbase and it's shown in his new movie "It's Gotta Be Perfect". It shows off what he's thinking and feeling and has heavy psychological horror elements mirroring "Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem". He's teaching empathy by instilling his own fear into others. The weird thing is I thought *I* was the only one with this idea, I once said "I'll freeze their hearts with terror and feast on their screams" I'll probably still do it. (I swear I have a lighter side.) Please watch the short film and tell me what you think. Have I missed something? Let me know.
Steven Universe was always great for me, but i dunno, i guess i'm 35 years old now, and the people that hated it were probably teenagers or something, because kids and adults that watched it sung nothing but praise for it in my experience. I did hear about the toxic fandom it had, but my friends and everyone i knew that watched it just loved it.
Animation "fans" are their own worst enemy. They're not heroes of justice, they're just spoiled brats not happy with corrupt and incompetent executives that are "worse than the devil". They don't need hate... they need help to make their lives better.
I already know Steven universe fans are gonna be so pissed when you referred to the main 4 as the “Crewniverse”. Btw the people who animated the show are referred to as the crewniverse now them
bro out of all the unnecessarily hated shows that you could have picked to prove your point you chose Velma....but at least you admit you did it for clickbait PSA: DON'T make defending cartoons and anime your whole personality.
velma pissed everyone off cause they put so much effort into a horrible show right after giving up on so many fantastically better shows. its terrible and unfunny but mostly its worse than shows that the studios are crapping on. plus its a trend to hate it. its still awful tho so i see no point in defending whats good about it especially cause of how minimal the good content it has is.
It's so refreshing to meet someone who sees things through the same lens as I do. As in, acknowledges the flaws of a show but also moves past them and values the good things more. People really should be more.. idk, optimistic in their approach to life, it saddens me to see how many folks are filled with vitriol and are ready to mercilessly thrash everything they don't like. Hey, chill out maybe? There is no such thing as a perfect show/album/book etc, because a) it is all purely subjective, b) perfection is something to strive for, but also something that should never be achieved, for if it were achieved once, other creators simply wouldn't be able to compete with it and we would not get any more content. (sorry for mangled grammar, it's 6 a.m. and I'm hungover) As for the unsubstantuated hatred towards an undeniable masterpiece, I, as a long-time hardcore Homestuck fan, shall bring up exactly this thing, Homestuck. It's a long-ass (about 8.000 pages, if I recall correctly) webcomic with one of, if not the most complex, complicated and mind-blowing plots of all time, with about a hundred characters which of whom has a clear purpose for the plot, and many of whom have compelling stories and character arcs. Of course, if you take something as complex as this, it would never escape its fair share of controversy. Is this character handled well or badly, was this subplot necessary or not, oh no, I expected this character to do that instead of this, oh no my OTP is ruined etc. Keep in mind, Homestuck fandom would never be so infamous among the Internet for its toxicity if it wasn't comprised of stupid spiteful teenagers, and stupid spiteful teenagers are rarely able to accept and understand a piece of art as a whole, to really analyze what they read and move past the percieved flaws. So yeah. There was a shit ton of toxicity, heated debates, hatred and haters, death threats from one middle-schooler to another etc. It was only natural that, when other people on the Internet looked at this shitshow, they were quickly to judge and criticize the comic itself even though they had never read it. Yes, Homestuck is not perfect, it's far from it, because no thing this complex can be perfect; it's like a gemstone - the bigger it is, the more flaws it will unavoidably have. But it is nonetheless a ground-breaking (nay, medium-breaking) multi-faceted masterpiece with hundreds of layers, and it takes years of re-reading and analyzing just to get a gist of it. And understanding how genius it is despite its many flaws, learning to look *past* them is what made it possible for me to see other pieces of art in the way I do, appreciating them and accepting them as a whole. Webcomics such as Tragedy of Fortuna or 17776, shows like Steven Universe or Infinity Train, visual novels such as Ace Attorney are ground-breaking in their own ways, they bring up moral and philosophic questions, they make you think and re-value things in your life and how you look at it, and this alone should be enough to forgive them some underexecuted character arcs here and there.
FINALLY,,, a take I can actually agree with.. I Can accept that the show does have it’s flaws, but when it came to writing it was like fighting tooth and nail so Steven universe wasn’t allowed to have the ending it wanted due to being canceled and given a short amount of episodes to wrap up the story. I know it’s not the satisfying ending we all wished it would be, but maybe things would have been different if Rebecca could actually write the ending she probably intended.
It's funny that you just watched the show, cause I also just checked it out very recently, just this month actually! It's honestly a really good show! It has a few flaws but like... literally no series is perfect imo. I love Peridot. She's best character. Second best is Pearl
9:17 Content creators make those video essays picking apart shows of movies for the $$$ (they don't care about the actual content). Hate is a very powerful emotion and getting people riled up and angry is a proven strategy for getting those views and actually getting a viewer to sit through an entire video essay (viewer retention) even if it's a form of media the viewer has no interest in. Not saying it's right, but it works very well and worked historically. It's the same tactic politicians use, news channels use, leaders use to wage war- find an "enemy" and manufacture outrage to get what you want.
Similar thing happens with game fandoms (eg splatoon) where we all get so caught up in trashing the game and then forget it's actually amazing and there's a reason we're still playing
the reason people think it’s rushed bc cartoon network cancelled it early the homeworld part where steven was among the diamonds was supposed to be a whole season
I just hope new generations don't feel ashamed to watch this show and talk about it in these times, they have all my support and it would great if they hold the show dearly as much I did back before; learning about emotions and mental health, being the actually main part of the history you don't know how cool is that for me!, basically Steven universe said to me ligma ❤😁
I’ve loved steven universe so much as a kid I’ve sometimes said to myself it’s in the big three of cartoons network shows alongside regular show and adventure time after I watched the entire show people say it has problems such as that some characters don’t deserve an immediate redemption or it was rushed but I have accepted that’s what other people think and I do think it has some flaws but it is what it is
I'm 24 and Im the same exact way. If something bad is in theatres and on TV I just say "Well that looks like garbage", and move on. I have too many better things to do in life than focus on bad fandoms and bad TV/movies.
So, I thought the "hate" for Steven Universe came from a mix of the dislike for its fanbase, the ending to the original series, and the Future continuation. Never heard of the universal hate you mentioned because most I've seen talk about it seemed to like the series outside of those things. This is coming from a dude who's seen a handful of the show tops, so take my words with a grain of salt. Just wanted to mention it because my nosy ass watches videos on these "bad" shows often, and it usually ends up being mere aspects of them that the Fandom rightfully dislikes that certain people use to shit on the show entirely. It's like a youtuber making a video about how one episode screws up and someone in the comments going "yeah I never liked this show it sucks and if you like it you suck".
It is shocking and little sad of the fair amount of cartoon or animation youtuber analysis i’ve watchd. Yours is one of the first time i’ve seen someone bring up the animation bible that is richard williams animator survival guide. and even more to hear some of the principles mentioned.
I was under the impression that people loved it. Its full of gay characters and Trama and fusion and shipping and it has movies I couldn't get in to it because of the kitten fists but other people liked it and that was fine. It wasn't getting in the way of me enjoying MY shows. and unlike Naruto, Homestuck and Undertale it wasn't over saturated with posts to the point that my thread on a forum gets pushed to the 3rd page and never read. So I let it run around and do its own thing in the back ground just like Yokai watch or beyblade or Splatoon or Fortnite or TF2 or Halo or Wander over Yonder or Pound Puppies. the shows people loved but I never gave a shot. Its just its own harmless thing. As for toxic fandoms I much rather say toxic fans. every show has them but there is no show where the whole fandom is toxic . any time you say "All" be prepared to be inaccurate there are always acceptations You don't have to let those people in your life. .
A Toxic community is, both : 1 - a community of fans of a specific media that cannot talk to each others on a specific subject without insulting each others in all the possible ways, going often to very hard. It's often due to the questionable nature of the specific subject from the main media in question, even if small in appearance or actually is small. It's always a big battle between the side who disagree and the side who agree on if the subject is fine and good, or bad and ugly. For most of the time, it's a ridicule and extreme situation were people battle for a thing who isn't bad and dosen't matter but on which people complains on it. In these case, the people who complain are a minority and it's them who are in the wrong. But there several occasions where the subject, even small and insignificant in apearance, is really bad and ugly that the people who complain about it are right and the people who protect and support the subject are a minority and in the wrong, often because they haven't analysed truly deeply the subject and what the latter can give as symbols and messages, and remain on the surface levels who seem to be positive while in reality it's negative. And since there several subjects inside a same media, there numerous battles as such. It's even hard when the two side are in a equal position. (the Sonic community is a prime example of it) 2 - a community that complain and destroy completely a media, or a part of him, due to a single element, or some, of it, and don't take into account and forget about all the others elements of the media. A media can have few bad and quesionable (or not) elements in it, but are few and very scarces compared to the others neutral or positive elements he have along too. Because of that, the media is underrated, mocked and destroyed completely completely undeserved unfortunately. However, as said too, a single element can seem looking nice, neutral or good in surface levels, but in reality be completely bad, insulting and reduce highly the quality of the show so he impact more than we think this latter in negatives ways. And as such, as mentioned before, here the toxic community have right to complain about and to battle against the few people that protect the element thinking is good while haven't really analysed it deeply and remain in the surface level view. The three show in the thumbnails/Title screen/shot/picture of this video are good depictions of that on differents degrees of both these two definintion of what a toxic comminuty is : (what follow if the general consensus, see universal one in some case, about each shows. That I just relay/retransmit here. Not at all my personnal view of them, I prefer to precise that at the start) - Steven Universe : nothing wrong, a great, amazing showthat remain good and keep its quality all along from the beginning to the end. Have yes some weakness, flaws, clumsy moments, and he Epilogue Series, Future is questionable on some points (but all the complains we can made about are due to the behind the scenes probles following the Wedding episode between Ruby and Saphire in the main series, so we must slide and pass on it), but the ultimate consclusion, while not extraordinary (like all show conclusion should do btw in fact) remain correct above the ok line. And it's that who matter. Overall, very, very few people complains about it and the whole show is positively regarded and view as he deserved. - Legend of Korra : A show who begin with undeserved complains even before his diffusion, who rise and manage to prove itself despite questionable yet medium things thoughout his duration, and who end up completely deserving theses same complains by becoming uncanny and unwatchable in his last straight lines, in his very last second after a season that was just only shit on his titular characters thus the rest are well treated (ironically). A good and correct show that became bad by supressing all the good elements that made the titular characters great, likable and identifiable toward many, and reset it entirely and making it another complete different person who become restricted to a small groups of, targeted, people but failed at what it's mean to give because it's symbolic don't make sens in any kind of way and being aslo irrelevant int he same time. While it's sad how the second show and the entire ATLA franchise have turn out overtime, being fallen at the end of the second series and who never rise again since, it's sadly a truth that the introduction of LGBT stuff and the total, yet useless and not understandable, conversion of the world of the franchise into a rainbow world have signed her death warrant. The franchise always manage to do and go without such things, being woke, to introduced and put things like that, wasn't on the decline and always had a good run at the season 4 of the second series, have any need to include such things, or never feel to be such world, and anybody on earth from the public and the fanbase don't expected, wanted and asked such stuff onscreen. Why changing and putting such stuff thus everyone keep watching it as the same level as that was lawyas the case and judge why they see correct without any need of somewhat addition to pick things up ? Every LGBT stuff that the franchise have did feel hugely woke and forced, and the representations in question are badly, see lazily, handled, and every cases have failed to be above the correct line. All are more insulting to the rainbow community than they are mean to be. Even if we are technically in a 50/50 equal battle, the complains side is sligthy bigger than the other side who protect the show, thinking because it's LGBT representation that must be positive. But people who complain have right, that become a mess of a show and who ruined itself and impacted highly badly most ofthe entire franchise itself including the first original show, because it's not because an LGBT representation is a LGBT representation that she's good and positive by any means. As far I'm aware, there post racists, bad depictions and positives, accurates depiction of specific ethnies. The same thing go for the LGBT depictions. There are bad LGBT depiction, even if the will at the start was well intentioned, and the good LGBT depictions. And sadly, every Korra's cases fall into the first category. And today, most people reconized and agree that the show did terribly wrong and no more is good that he was before. It's not he's underrated at this point, but reconized how he is currently as he is in reality. The best thing in such case, it's even to not attempt or try something. And everyone will be happy. (what they did to her hairs is also a good important element in the controversy the final season have created, but that apart another big suject and I already said a lot here). - Velma : this show is universally regarded negatively and badly as he deserved. Everyone agree on that. This Scooby-Doo show (who don't display Scooby-Doo itself) is bad, and suck in everything he want to be. Everything is bad and badly handled, th plot, the characters, the jokes and matures/adults elements. It's a show who deserved any defense, reconition so he's good at nothing. Every moment is a pain, the story pass more time on the triangle love plot, that everyone don't care because it's the mystery plot everyone want in a product of the franchise, rather than the mystery plot itself. The show and the characters are unlikable, the jokes are bads and everything insult and shit/poop on everything at the biggst level : the LGBT comunity, the differents ethnies, the psychological aspects, etc... the list go on. There any question or discussion to made : it's a 100% bad and dirty show. So, Velma is at the complete opposite of the spectrum compared to Steven Universe, while LOK is somewhere in the middle. Whatevers, I think that was a good thing to put the things clear about the subject, about what is what, put things in order. Since it's a very important and sensible topic, and since we must do everything at possible to maintain as lower as possible the toxicity between people, because such thing can lead sadly to accidents if anything to prevent them is made. Otherwise, that was a good video !
Its hard To find a fandom that’s not toxic.
True. There will be always those that ruin the name of a whole community.
Every fandom has the toxic people, and it sucks when they are sometimes the loudest voices of the fandom and scare everyone away from it
@@-themightymittens- Ragers apprentice fandom: Am I joke to you?
I'd rather say "impossible"
@@IsaSozy Read my previous answer
“This show literally killed itself so it’s successors could flourish” hilariously accurate summary of what went down behind the scenes
what
@@apnosaurus from my understanding, having the Ruby and Sapphire wedding was something Rebecca Sugar fought for and Cartoon Network told her she could have it but it would cause the show to lose funding because multiple countries would stop airing the show as a result of the wedding. After the decision was made to include the wedding they only had enough money to make a few more episodes (hence why the ending was so rushed) then at some point after that cartoon network decided to give them another series, thus leading to Steven Universe Future being made.
so if they cut all funding after the wedding then why did they give them funding a move and another series?
@@apnosaurus because the airing of the finale got really damn popular lol
@@apnosaurus they didn't cut ALL funding, the show lost a lot of funding, as far as I'm aware the movie was already in production and Cartoon Network, seeing that the series was still popular enough to warrant another season, decided to greenlight another season, but because the series already had it's final episode produced they decided to take that funding and make an epilogue series
“The Crewniverse” is the name fans call the people who worked on the show, not the gems Steven lives with, they along with Steven are known as “The Crystal Gems”.
Finally I was looking for this comment
the only fandom that i think is even slightly justified for being toxic is Scooby-Doo, because WOW is Velma BAD. i personally tend to find things i like in shows that people dont like, but Velma? damn, beyond the concept of a more mature Scooby-Doo, Velma is one of the worst cartoons/adult animations i've ever seen, and it's not the fault of the animators, or the voice actors, it's the fault of the creator of Velma and the writers who think that is good work they are doing.
velma is an insult to the scooby-doo franchise and mature storytelling, no thanks i'd rather watch puss in boots
Well, one voice actress can get dunked on because she also made the show lol
@@twist_ending7545 she doin what she get paid to do. it's not her fault that she's voicing woke trash, it's a job.
@@UltimateGamerCC uhh she literally made the show. SHE IS THE CREATOR
@@UltimateGamerCC Yeah but Velma's VA is also the creator
I have never understood the Steven Universe hate. Certain criticism sure, but the hate? I got into it around when season three was halfway or something, and would watch it as each episode came out, and it is hands down my favorite show. I recommend it to anyone and everyone who will let me talk to them for long enough. I realize that a lot of it is my personal taste and not objective quality, and you are talking about a girl whose top three favorite foods include yesterday's frozen pizza reheated in the microwave, but still
A lot of fans just hated the Steven bombs and how it took 6 months for the new episodes to come out
Couldn’t even make it through season 1 everyone was hyping the show up but like Christ the show was just unbearable especially the joke that was the animation
@@TheOneTrueGhostyBoi And that's fine, but you don't need to be so overly negative about it.
@@-themightymittens- nah being overly negative of it is fun I like dunking on shit
i too like the show and i too don't understand the hate
I didn't even know that Steven universe was so controversial till after I finished the show, it's so emotionally complex and relatable for me and my friends, we all loved it. Especially the music, I unironically listen to it all the time.
Me also
Same lol
Me four!!!
It feels like people are just jumping on the hate bandwagon and gaslighting themselves into believing it was shit
is not hated or controversial. he just lumps criticism and haters together. I know people with criticism about something in steven universe but they would recommend the series in a heartbeat. they love the show.
Something that also affected the reception of Steven Universe was its horrendous release schedule. Constant hiatuses, no communication and batches of episodes were small, sometimes only 1 episode and the show went on a hiatus again.
didn't cartoon network do that to "build hype" only to backfire spectacularly? did the creators knew that was going to happen?
not related but is that a Nox pfp?
@@enimintsay5110 what is a nox? this is a winged horse?
@@apnosaurus oh no I was talking about Arsskaful 's pfp ( Nox is a character from a really great show called Wakfu. You should try it it's got good animation and beautiful characters design in my opinion)
@@apnosaurus they weren't talking to you
Owl House was another show that was criticized a lot, most of them are about the "Filler" episodes of season 1, Gus and Willow not being used a lot in episodes, and Lumity, the Filler episode argument is the one I most didn't agree on as of course it's gonna have filler episodes, it's not gonna get serious off the bat I mean frick can't the characters just have fun without dealing with anything serious
What about these "complaints" for Gus, Willow, and Lumity?
If most those "complaints" about Lumity were from the anti shippers on Tumblr, then that'd make sense.
there are some valid complaints about the owl house, like how Willow and Gus got shafted hard after season 1.
@@apnosaurus
What "valid" complaints?
Also, no they didn't.
@@dylansharp8471 yes they did actually, you see see the ammout of focus episodes willow and gus have combined is less than the focus episodes of either amity OR hunter.
@@apnosaurus I do see the complaint...but that's not the entire issue.
I bet without the whole Disney ending this short, they would have their individual episodes to grow them more, but since they want to wrap things up, Dana had to focus on what is important to the series, aka the main character's growth and King's tides to the story.
The community was divided between two extremes.
The people who blindly followed the show religiously and would get personally offended if you said anything bad about it.
And the people who hated every flaw they saw with it and couldn't enjoy the show after a certain point.
This resulted in a lot of back and forth yelling.
Don't compare Velma's hate from "fans" from hate the other 2 get.
Velma actually DESERVES the hate!
So Many things to hate. Bad Shows, Movies, Anime, Games, Characters, Etc.
I don’t bother Hating this Bad Show.
Yeah, but at the same time haters are giving it too much attention than it actually deserves. They're almost justifying its renewal.
Did you just not watch the video or something?
@user-oc1yk8im7w did you just not read that comment
you are becoming the one who you hated, toxic people are also in cancel culture too.
WAIT .... People...hate Steven Universe???????? The one cartoon that helped me accept the fact that I needed therapy and saver me from quarantine?????
Yeah!
I'm also a huge fan of the show too!
Me too!
well it's more people hate Steven Universe future and i clearly see why
I will reccomend to check a video about lily and mikayla Orchard
I agreed with many of your points, but it's very hard to appreciate the animation of Velma when the characters are so unlikable and the humor is so awful, and the fact that HBO/Warner brothers canceled so many animated projects and ongoing series.
Don’t appreciate it if you can’t! Just don’t shit on the animation because all of these other factors, when there’s no argument for it… it’s like you missed the whole point of the video! Critique all you want when you have proper arguments to do so, dislike the show for it, it’s justified, just don’t make shit up…
@@gorux yeah, it's weird how when people hate something they're so reluctant to praise any single part of it, that they'll make something up and say the animation is bad when it isn't
like, if you hate something you should be able to hate it for stuff that's actually true and not have to make stuff up lmao
@@gorux that would be a good point, if anyone was actually doing that. I’m sure a few dumbasses have been saying the show visually is bad just because it’s popular to shit on it, but 99% of people have been commenting on how awful the humor and characters are, and the animation has actually been like the only thing that has gotten a single ounce of praise.
@@gorux 'Just don't make shit up' I agree, but that's what he is doing too, sure I've seen some comments about Velma having 'Bad Animation' but like @OakleyHasAFoot 787 a lot more videos who don't like the show either don't mention Animation or say that it's good, but he is acting like majority of the people say it's bad.
But the animation gets really bad sometimes, mostly in movement/reused animation/ weird cut aways and cheap shortcuts. I imagine the team was forced to used bad tactics to pump the show out
I'm a bit of an isolationist who's starting to break out of her shell, but even I know that complaining about a picture of Rose Quartz being drawn on the internet to the point of looking slightly skinnier to the point of driving a child to suicide is not a constructive use of one's time.
Great destruction of toxic internet tendencies. It genuinely passes me off how TH-camrs who don't know shit about the animation industry make a buck harassing the people who make these shows just because they know it's easier appealing to people's desire to be enraged than actually having talent.
Yeah, Velma sucks for a lot of reasons, but the animation is not one of them.
@@jeremyusreevu237 yeah, and people hating on it acknowledge that. We understand that they just animated it, they aren't responsible for the writing.
@@jeremyusreevu237 With that in mind, there’s always my series, The Pensuke Files!
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Yeah sometimes u have to ignore the Internet and check something out for yourself
Watch regular show please watch to season 1 to 8 please
My fav character was Lion. Did absolutely nothing when stuff wasn’t happening except eating and sleep and was adorable (not a complaint)
Lion is the absolute creature of all time
I feel online communities tend to either OVERHYPE or just plain HATE something without having that nuanced discussion about what worked and didn't work. It happened with "Velma" and got so bad that people compared it to "Puss in Boots; The Last Wish" even though the two productions couldn't be any different other than being animated and one actually caring for the medium and the other just being trash. This leads to series and movies being so overhyped people hate it out of principle, or so overhated you wonder what was there that caused so much vitriol.
The cartoon/animation community is notorious for this we we seemingly normalized having a hyperbolic mindset that accepts having toxic tendencies. You CAN call out a show's weaknesses and strengths without having to have wish death upon those that created it. It's like people forget that at the end of the day we are all just grown-ass adults fighting over cartoons. We should learn to hype responsibly and accept that not everyone will love or hate the same thing and THAT'S OK.
My first experience with toxic fandoms was when I was about seven, way back in the mid-90s. The original Star Wars trilogy had just been re-released on VHS and everyone was raving about it, especially on the playgrounds of schools across the country. Like many kids that age, I'd both watched and loved them, but the enjoyment was soured when I told my classmates that Return of the Jedi was my favourite. All of a sudden, I was a laughing stock by everyone else, who evidently had all agreed that Empire was the better choice. And that kind of "let's gang up on the one guy in the group who thinks different to the rest of us" is something I've unfortunately had to see (either done to others or be on the receiving end myself) in every other fandom I've been a part of 😟
Every fandom has those kinds of people and sometimes it's hard to (or just hard for people) not let them ruin the experience
You are not alone brother return of the Jedi is my favourite too
Watch regular show please watch to season 1 to 8 please
@@thecrazyrabbitshow5558This reply has literally nothing to do with what this comment was saying?
I love Steven Universe. I understand when people dislike it because it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I kind of grew up with it and it's nostalgic to me. It was really important to me and it still is. The soundtrack is BOMB, (Here Comes a Thought still makes me cry, I needed it so badly) and the themes of exploring mental health makes it one of the best cartoons I remember watching.
same it's the initial reason i decided to pursue animation, all it's other aspects like it's art and music are super charming as it is without needing to be so deep and critical about the story.
Another toh fan!
@@WolfieOrDemonic Yep!!
FR! The song stronger than you was so cool it got a few undertale and a SPONGEBOB parody!!!
A TOH has been found!
I've been a Steven Universe fan for far longer than you have, and I have witnessed all the toxicity of the fandom firsthand. What is it with fans of cartoons these days thinking they should only be what they want them to be at the expense of everything they are? I've mostly seen it with The Owl House, Amphibia, and Helluva Boss at the moment.
Whadda ya mean?
yeah, no one seems to talk about how bad the helluva boss fandom can be, the show has its flaws of course but a lot of fans act like because a certain episode is lackluster that the show is horrible, i've legit heard someone say "the show is sinking" because they didn't like one episode
also people hate on stolas and stolitz so much, i get not liking him or the ship, but people act like him being in an episode makes the episode terrible
Wdym?
I’m confused
@@dylansharp8471 I mean the kinds of fans who think that they know the show better than the creators, like wanting Anne to suffer for the sake of Sashannarcy angst, grasping at straws about how Luz is going to die because "Dana hates happy endings", or saying Stella being a horrible person for the heck of it is bad writing for the sake of pandering to Stolitz fans.
The thumbnail implies that Velma has a fandom.
I have never met a SINGLE PERSON of any age, race, religion, or anything on the internet that actually liked that show.
It’s well animated and I’m all for that, and Norville, the show’s only saving grace of a character, is actually pretty cool when he isn’t saying he hates drugs. Everything else about the show is absolutely terrible though!
Norville still is pathetic as he chose Velma over Gigi.
What makes it worse is this type of content doesnt just ruin whats good in the show it also ruins genuine critique about the show. No one will take you seriously if all any one hears is ppl shitting on the show for no good reason.
I knew some people hated steven universe but I thought it was generally liked??? Like omg I loved this show so damn much and the representation was amazing
A little lesson folks: be a fan of something but never ever join a fandom
Yeah, great lesson!
I learnt that too late, i just left a bunch of fandoms.
Very nicely said
Thanks! Huge fan of your content btw.
Velma was hot garbage, yet all the hate caused it to get a second season long before the second episode released
Of course, not all of it, but the exposure these shows get from people hating on them is having a counterproductive effect. We live in a world where cancel culture is seen as profit
Given how long it takes for most animated shows to make episodes, it's probably likely those season 2 episodes were already in development long before the public backlash got big (and maybe even before season 1 aired since some studios will occasionally greenlit multiple seasons of a show).
@@mjangelvortex Somehow, that makes it even worse
These shows wouldn't think a second thought about how a product would go, so long as they have a lot of it
I think Velma wasnt even that bad the story was between good-mid, but the script and voice acting was horrible
@@WellduhJustTakeTheL Uts your opinion, but yeah, in regards to the original franchise this is just disrespectful
most animated shows have 2 seasons in the making , at most only the first episode will do good since people will want to see if the rumors are true then it begin to dip in ratings since people will just look for there favorite critic youtuber to views in other words let them take bullet to see how it is
Really enjoy your content Toonstarterz and thank you for being the most down to earth and honest content creator in the Cartoon Community.
I think a lot of the hate on Steven universe comes from those of us who watched it from the beginning. We were so excited and loved the show and loved everything that it was building up for, we were very emotionally invested and were not knowing what to expect. And one thing that the show did a really great job of is making us really hate diamonds. That’s why a lot of us did not like the redemption arc. Because they made literal space Nazis and then told everyone that they have to forgive them. Then you re-watch the show and see them only ever punish people who have been abused in a striking out because they have been hurt but only ever forgive people who just spout hateful rhetoric. That’s where I think a lot of the justified hatred for the show comes from. It’s not the show isn’t good, it’s that it is so good and yet it has underlying themes of forgiving genocidal Nazis and people who are bigots and giving them a second chance instead of giving those who need a second chance. It’s like getting a beautiful and delicious dessert, and it taste great but then having an awful aftertaste that makes you violently ill later.
Yeah.
It was a mess.
It just felt like someone took the playground philosophy of “forgive and forget” and actually tried to apply it to things like genocide, Coercion and straight up abuse.
Which was either seen as malice or, by most people, insane naivety from the creators who bought and sold it so eagerly.
Rise of the TMNT also had a similar issue with the character of Baron Draxum. However, unlike Steven Universe, the one good thing was that they could actually defeat him.
But dear lord, his presence in season 2 dragged him and Mikey down Big Time.
@@christopherbennett5858 Rebecca Sugar literally believes in forgiving everyone, even abusers, so it's definitely naivety.
@@dweebteambuilderjones7627 which wouldn’t be so bad if things were different.
However, she had this habit of making the abused quiet so only Steven can talk for them. Or, in the case of curing corruption, have the abuser be the only one able to fix said abuse.
Which is just disgusting.
@@christopherbennett5858 Agreed, the first/third-person limited perspective of the series really worked against it by making it so that Steven had to be the one with the most agency when fixing the Gems' problems. Should've been third-person omniscient.
For steven universe I was annoyed by the finale season, hiatus’s, and some of its writing but I never really hated it.
I guess a lot of people became frustrated with how it was handled
The majority is pretty good if you don’t count the last part
yess thank you! its so annoying when people treat cartoons like theyre the second coming of satan like calm down like dont we have jobs
Avatar and Steven Universe deserve fandoms…VELMA DOES NOT
Quick edit: don’t blame the shows for their audience of some people who coincidentally are terrible
well i do like criticizing things because of one thing: discussion, i love talking about subjects like this and negativity isn't always bad. and sometimes i even enjoy arguing, it'll sound weird but it giving me primarily adrenaline, however when i talk badly about something I'm always trying to be as polite as possible (unless i think the show can cause actual harm, like su future). the most important thing about criticizing something is to acknowledge good parts (unless u don't see any), because it can show other future creators what is seen as bad or good, but i must admit, good things aren't always major and sometimes despite good animation or humor, show is just garbage.
and answering ur question, who do you do that for. myself, I'm letting my emotions out, which is a good thing to do if u're not hurting anybody with this
maybe if fandoms didn't exist we wouldn't have this problem,cause when I was a kid there was no such thing as a fandom,all I had to do was sit on my ass and watch my favorite shows and talk about them with my friends
I’m pretty sure fandom alright existed for the longest it’s just that back in the day social media wasn’t wide spend or develop enough yet.
Believe me when i say fandoms existed for far longer than you think. And fandoms existing is not a bad thing at all. A lot of good can come from it. Though then there is every fandoms toxic batch.
Toxic fandoms existed when you were a kid too. You just haven't been exposed to them yet
Steven Universe came out at around the same time that I started questioning my gender, sexuality, and my place in the world among other things. It really helped me learn how to accept myself for who I was and how to recognize when I needed to ask for help from others. I figured out pretty quickly that fusions were a metaphor/symbol for relationships/love being expressed in a relationship and it made me feel so much more comfortable and happy with the show once I figured that out. The fusions are not limited to characters who are romantically attached to each other, they also happen to show different kinds of love. When Steven and Greg fused in the movie, it was a show of familial love. When Ruby and Sapphire fuse, it's a show of romantic love. When Steven fused with himself after the White Diamond showdown, it was a show of self love. So on and so forth. But it also shows things like when relationships go bad or how it's normal for some people to just not want to be in a relationship while also expressing that the love is still there, even if it's not being expressed in the conventional way. Peridot, for example, has shown interest in fusion before (asking questions, running tests, etc.) but doesn't wish to be fused with anyone else. She has also shown her interest in romantic relationships (shipping charts and stuff) but she actively avoids becoming involved in anything like that. And it's perfectly fine! Nobody gets mad at Peridot for not wanting to fuse and instead they all respect her decision and let her express her care and love for others in her way. Lapis Lazuli and Jasper are the prime examples of a toxic/abusive/unhealthy relationship because neither of them actually cared for each other and instead had separate goals that directly opposed each other. Jasper wanted Lapis' strength in order to kill Steven, but Lapis wanted to have someone to take her anger out on. Who better than the gem that's actively trying to kill the kid who just freed her from her 1000 year imprisonment in the mirror? They both attached to each other because they both wanted to cause pain and suffering, but that is not what a relationship or a fusion should be based on. After Lapis and Jasper unfused and they went their separate ways, Lapis expressed that she never wanted to fuse with anyone ever again because of how badly things went with Jasper. At first, she even refused to develop any sort of connection to anyone other than Steven. Lapis was aggressive towards everyone who wasn't Steven because she was afraid of what would happen if she got attached again. At the end of the story though, Lapis is now friends with the other Crystal Gems and she has been learning from them that it's okay to love and trust others who have earned it from you. There's so much more that I could go on about but I'm sick and I'm running g out of brain cells.
The point I'm trying to make is that the entire show, every single character present, every theme, every episode, the very essence of the cartoon Steven Universe is healing. Healing wounds, physical and mental. Healing relationships. Healing past traumas and misconceptions. Healing from mistakes, both your own and others.
The very soul of the show is healing in every sense of the word.
👍🏻✨
The Velma show plotline, forced integration thrown into the marketing (honestly I get cynical when the marketing prioritizes diversity because it is way too often hot air and clout chasing), and jokes are groan worthy but I had the same idea about the animation being not bad. Like, the show is bad, but the animation would be a big refresh if there wasn't so much other stuff to suffer through. For Steven Universe, you didn't know Garnet was a couple of non-binary lesbians (or at least the closest they could get at the time by making them technically rocks with she/her and they/them pronouns and just that being their whole species) until like 50 episodes in. But the further along they got the more the show managed to cover new, very important topics and even troll the censoring squads in other parts of the world with Ruby in a dress and Sapphire in a suit. All while never once announcing it as the main idea of the show, because the main ideas if the show were overcoming trauma and a deconstruction of love and loss, as well as growing up. That and learning that someone you build yourself around wasn't a great person until near the end of their life, and that leaving a place of abuse still has an aftermath on new people they meet and even those after they pass away.
You can't be non-binary and lesbian, not to mention non-binary is something someone made up on the spot. Also it's rude to refer to someone as they/them.
You perfectly summed it up
Every series will have its faults
The only difference now then let’s say 10 years ago is that people are more vocal about these faults because of things like social media
And the more people point it out the more the series just seems negative
When it’s not
Peoples standards nowadays feel too high in my opinion
To the point that if it’s not literally gold in writing and animation
It’s classed as bad or even trash
Plus most of these people haven’t even watched the series-they just want views
yeah,same here..
I think what contributed to the growing hate toward SU was the fact that it went on hiatus' for weeks/months at a time only to come back for 3-4 episodes to drop either a filler Towne episode or a controversial episode (Pink Diamond reveal) and leave us hanging for another few months. I suspect the time spent away from the show gave people a bit too much time to think.
Also the idea that the Crewniverse were behind this when it was CN's horrible scheduling
Honestly, am still a fan of steven universe today. I'm a fan of a lot of things with 'toxic fandoms' as people would say (every fandom has toxic people. Some are just louder or well known than others). I mostly remove myself from toxic fandoms without removing myself from the show/game/book/etc itself. Honestly have never been happier enjoying these things than now.
But Velma is hate-baiting. So, you can't fault the fandoms to shit on everything about Velma even if those criticisms are unwarranted. The animation is decent and stood out for an adult animation, but it's not amazing enough that it's gonna change people's opinion about it. When it's blended with very shit writings and directions, everybody will crap on it as well. It's like the cheerleader and fratboy effect in Gumball when the characters surround themselves with pretty people, they all look pretty. Surround the animation with ugly shitty everything else, the animation looks ugly.
You do know that "crewniverse" is the name of the team who worked on Steven Universe alongside Rebecca Sugar, while Garnet, Pearl, Amethyst, Steven are the "Crystal Gems".... right.
I think he got a little mixed up!
He's a little confused but he's got the spirit
Velma does have good animation, I won’t hate the animators
I just hate the creators who made this
When you said "Now, About that Show Velma.." it gave me and add that searched up "epic Fail on TH-cam". That was perfect timing.
I am actually very surprised that there is a lot of people who didn’t like Steven universe usually the people I’ve been around literally worship the show personally I kind of dislike the show but instead.. it’s kind of for personal reasons that obviously isn’t intended to be related to, But the reason why I don’t really like the show, is because at least for me I get bored really quickly like I’m only able to watch like two episodes of the series until my brain literally just dries into itself I thought it was just kid me being biased but even watching the series while I’m older it’s still just painfully boring to me.
This is where I give out a bit of criticism for this video.
wanted to add just because of Velma has good animating doesn’t automatically mean that it’s a good show I’ve watched many cartoons that have astonishing animation yet Hot garbage writing.. good animation doesn’t efficient if a show is good or not:/ also the thing that you added where you feel like some people like to review in an echo room (basically meaning that they don’t want their opinions to be contradicted) kind of contradicts your own claims because you refuse to actually show face value to why these opinions pop up in the first place which kind of gives off a bit of biased energy. also I can tell that you don’t actually watch the reviews you just assume that they’re being ignorant so I watched some of the “ignorant” reviews that you showed in your video and they actually give a good reasons why they don’t like the show.
I wish the velma animators got to work on a better show
Bro, nobody complains about the animation on Velma... They complained about the story and their god awful jokes AND DON'T EVEN SAY I DIDN'T GIVE IT A CHANCE I tried to watch it and I couldn't sit through the first episode...
Like hinted in the video, people should be aware that Steven Universe’s rushed ending and forced redemptions were caused by the
✨homophobic sponsors and broadcasters✨
who were outraged by the lesbian wedding and cut the series’ funds, forcing it to come to an end in a couple of episodes.
As for the many animation mishaps... yeah no there’s no defending that, that’s just poor management.
THOSE DISGUSTING HOMOPHOBES!!! RUINED SUCH A GREAT THING!!!
It's not homophobic to object to unnatural sexual attraction.
@@MetaKnight964 Homosexuality can’t be unnatural by definition. Countless life forms on Earth engage in homosexual behaviour, and have been since the beginning of time
And some of them were from way before that because Rebecca Sugar is the particular kind of hippie who believes that forgiveness is more important than accountability (see: Lapis, who displays many textbook abusive traits yet is never called out on it).
To be fair what exasperated the situation with the show is that hiatuses and the week-long bomb to make with for TEEN TITAN GO!multiple marathon during the time period, and it also happen to other new series at the time like REGULAR SHOW and ADVENTURE TIME.
Personally, I never really vibed with Steven Universe, more because it's not my thing. I just didn't really like its aesthetic, and it just wasn't really for me. So yeah, I'm fine with people who like it, just not for me.
As for Velma, I despise that steaming pile of unfunny garbage, but I will give it credit that the animation is actually alright. If it was for a show that was actually good, I wouldn't mind it. But yeah, I have watched multiple clips of Velma, and the comedy was so bad that it actually made me physically sick. Not even joking.
Cool video, bro.
People can shit on SU all they want, it changed my life. Someone in the comments said cartoons can't change your life and that just isn't true. I grew up with the show and it shows so much empathy and love, even I the plotholes and some filler and whatever, I didn't care. The music is beautiful, the art is gorgeous, and I needed a lot of the lessons taught. Could it have been better? Yes. Did all of Steven Universe, including future, help me drastically in life especially in 2020? YES
Agreed. Quarantine kicked my ass, but watching and listening to old Steven Universe clips and songs, dang, it was rlly motivating 😅
The only thing you have to understand for Steven universe is that there were two studios working on episodes at once, so you can understand why the models were a bit off at times
As someone that has not seen steven universe but seen countless shows that get praised while running but then when they end bad get dumped on and all its pros forgotten.
The ending is the most crucial part. You end bad or mid thats all you get remembered for.
Lost had a spectacular first season for example and season 2 & 3 had some stellar stuff. But it ended in manys eyes unsatisfactory and now its just dogged on for rest of its life.
Game of thrones (i havent seen) suffered same. it ended so bad it just lost the entire water cooler talk it had. i dont even wanna start it cause of how bad it ends.
Before i watched the sopranos, all i knew about was its infamous ending. everything else it accomplished mostly got buried in the cultural zeitgeist.
Ending is the most vital.
Got and the sopranos imo are part of the few examples of a show that’s still worth a watch for what they give despite their endings. What you’ll get throughout the journey is just so magnificent that makes having such endings much more accessory. To the point where it’s not justifiable to miss such a top tier tv experience because of how it ends. Unlike lost… ew!
At last, someone who recognizes Steven Universe's flaws but still loves it anyway!
im a huge fan of steven universe and some of the smaller issues never bothered me. the ending of the show is arguably one of the most important parts of a show i mean when you look back on it you remember mostly the finale. the last chunk of episodes hurt so bad because of how terrible they were in contrast to how fantastic almost everything else was. point is i love the show but the issues are totally valid and hurt my enjoyment of the show quite a bit.
Dude this video made me subscribe so damn fast
Somebody finally talking with a pretty great amount of sense
Barely 4 minutes into the video and I just got hit with “ a lovely assortment of weirdos that I would wanna befriend and/or get railed by “ and for some reason I truly felt that
Steven Universe is one of my favorite shows of all time. I watched it when it came out 10 years ago and I'm glad I did.
Oh my gosh it's 10 years old ;-;
Wow! So many toh fans here
We live in a world where as soon as someone feminine is Introduced into a show
Let's just say that every single living thing in the show and the character go through some messed up stuff
rewrite that, or I'm going to nuke you for your crime of writing!
I do admit that I can be passionate about some shows, however, I totally agree that if someone does not like my show that's all okay. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, however that does not give you the right to call it garbage or me garbage for liking it. Honestly, I just do not get why lots of people have to bash things these days.
fr people just want to be angry and make other people hear their anger because it makes them feel better
Thank you for this. My friend thinks that su is a bad show just because on Twitter ppl hate it so much. SU is my life, it helped me so, so much and is still helping. I would reccomend this show to anyone ❤
I love Steven Universe, it didn't end on a really good note but at least it didn't end with the main character commiting literal genocide with multiple species. And the soundtrack is undeniably one of CN's best. Man I love the Diamonds' individual themes/chimes, they give me chills.
I feel like you're response to people who give valid criticism about a show is a bit negative.
If someone makes an hour-long video talking about how great SU is that's fine, but someone talking about the problems with it It's just a hater?
Yh that's basically what hes implying.
Atleast thats the way i see it.
are we watching the same video bc who tf are you attacking
Off model designs were intentional for steven universe, meant to give the animators more freedom, creative liberties, and input into how the show looks, no body complains about this with ok-ko or any other that does that as well.
Tbh I was surprised that Velma even had a fandom
YESS THE SONGS IN STEVEN UNIVERSE IS SO GOOD! “Stronger than you” and “Here comes a thought” are my absolute favourites!
I think SMG4 has a way of dealing with the toxic side of his fanbase and it's shown in his new movie "It's Gotta Be Perfect".
It shows off what he's thinking and feeling and has heavy psychological horror elements mirroring "Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem".
He's teaching empathy by instilling his own fear into others.
The weird thing is I thought *I* was the only one with this idea, I once said "I'll freeze their hearts with terror and feast on their screams" I'll probably still do it. (I swear I have a lighter side.)
Please watch the short film and tell me what you think. Have I missed something? Let me know.
Steven Universe was always great for me, but i dunno, i guess i'm 35 years old now, and the people that hated it were probably teenagers or something, because kids and adults that watched it sung nothing but praise for it in my experience. I did hear about the toxic fandom it had, but my friends and everyone i knew that watched it just loved it.
Animation "fans" are their own worst enemy. They're not heroes of justice, they're just spoiled brats not happy with corrupt and incompetent executives that are "worse than the devil". They don't need hate... they need help to make their lives better.
wait velma has a fandom?!
I already know Steven universe fans are gonna be so pissed when you referred to the main 4 as the “Crewniverse”. Btw the people who animated the show are referred to as the crewniverse now them
Fandoms dedicated to hating something are called hatebases, just so you know.
Get it? Because the fandom means “fan”.
Finally someone who actually likes the show I’ve been waiting for this for years thank you I am subscribing right now
No. I'm sorry but no there is nothing about Velma, outside of the animation during the hallucination scenes, that is good.
you disserve more views keep on going bro
bro out of all the unnecessarily hated shows that you could have picked to prove your point you chose Velma....but at least you admit you did it for clickbait
PSA: DON'T make defending cartoons and anime your whole personality.
i could care less about toxicity online usually, but i must admit that Velma overall is terrible, its got ups but it's mostly downs.
velma pissed everyone off cause they put so much effort into a horrible show right after giving up on so many fantastically better shows. its terrible and unfunny but mostly its worse than shows that the studios are crapping on. plus its a trend to hate it. its still awful tho so i see no point in defending whats good about it especially cause of how minimal the good content it has is.
Yeah it's chiant
Just finished my annual S.U rewatch and couldn't agree more with this video!
It's so refreshing to meet someone who sees things through the same lens as I do. As in, acknowledges the flaws of a show but also moves past them and values the good things more. People really should be more.. idk, optimistic in their approach to life, it saddens me to see how many folks are filled with vitriol and are ready to mercilessly thrash everything they don't like. Hey, chill out maybe? There is no such thing as a perfect show/album/book etc, because a) it is all purely subjective, b) perfection is something to strive for, but also something that should never be achieved, for if it were achieved once, other creators simply wouldn't be able to compete with it and we would not get any more content.
(sorry for mangled grammar, it's 6 a.m. and I'm hungover)
As for the unsubstantuated hatred towards an undeniable masterpiece, I, as a long-time hardcore Homestuck fan, shall bring up exactly this thing, Homestuck. It's a long-ass (about 8.000 pages, if I recall correctly) webcomic with one of, if not the most complex, complicated and mind-blowing plots of all time, with about a hundred characters which of whom has a clear purpose for the plot, and many of whom have compelling stories and character arcs.
Of course, if you take something as complex as this, it would never escape its fair share of controversy. Is this character handled well or badly, was this subplot necessary or not, oh no, I expected this character to do that instead of this, oh no my OTP is ruined etc. Keep in mind, Homestuck fandom would never be so infamous among the Internet for its toxicity if it wasn't comprised of stupid spiteful teenagers, and stupid spiteful teenagers are rarely able to accept and understand a piece of art as a whole, to really analyze what they read and move past the percieved flaws. So yeah. There was a shit ton of toxicity, heated debates, hatred and haters, death threats from one middle-schooler to another etc. It was only natural that, when other people on the Internet looked at this shitshow, they were quickly to judge and criticize the comic itself even though they had never read it.
Yes, Homestuck is not perfect, it's far from it, because no thing this complex can be perfect; it's like a gemstone - the bigger it is, the more flaws it will unavoidably have. But it is nonetheless a ground-breaking (nay, medium-breaking) multi-faceted masterpiece with hundreds of layers, and it takes years of re-reading and analyzing just to get a gist of it. And understanding how genius it is despite its many flaws, learning to look *past* them is what made it possible for me to see other pieces of art in the way I do, appreciating them and accepting them as a whole. Webcomics such as Tragedy of Fortuna or 17776, shows like Steven Universe or Infinity Train, visual novels such as Ace Attorney are ground-breaking in their own ways, they bring up moral and philosophic questions, they make you think and re-value things in your life and how you look at it, and this alone should be enough to forgive them some underexecuted character arcs here and there.
FINALLY,,, a take I can actually agree with.. I Can accept that the show does have it’s flaws, but when it came to writing it was like fighting tooth and nail so Steven universe wasn’t allowed to have the ending it wanted due to being canceled and given a short amount of episodes to wrap up the story. I know it’s not the satisfying ending we all wished it would be, but maybe things would have been different if Rebecca could actually write the ending she probably intended.
It's funny that you just watched the show, cause I also just checked it out very recently, just this month actually!
It's honestly a really good show! It has a few flaws but like... literally no series is perfect imo.
I love Peridot. She's best character. Second best is Pearl
I love Steven Universe but I would also like to pretend that Steven Universe future didnt exist
no real fan would say that though
@@eeveefennecfox is this a criticism or are you agreeing? Im genuinely confused 😭
9:17 Content creators make those video essays picking apart shows of movies for the $$$ (they don't care about the actual content). Hate is a very powerful emotion and getting people riled up and angry is a proven strategy for getting those views and actually getting a viewer to sit through an entire video essay (viewer retention) even if it's a form of media the viewer has no interest in. Not saying it's right, but it works very well and worked historically. It's the same tactic politicians use, news channels use, leaders use to wage war- find an "enemy" and manufacture outrage to get what you want.
Ain't that the truth.
I really loved steven universe and legend of korra, but i hate Velma, i would rather watch a show that doesn't look down on me for waatching it.
Similar thing happens with game fandoms (eg splatoon) where we all get so caught up in trashing the game and then forget it's actually amazing and there's a reason we're still playing
the reason people think it’s rushed bc cartoon network cancelled it early
the homeworld part where steven was among the diamonds was supposed to be a whole season
I just hope new generations don't feel ashamed to watch this show and talk about it in these times, they have all my support and it would great if they hold the show dearly as much I did back before; learning about emotions and mental health, being the actually main part of the history you don't know how cool is that for me!, basically Steven universe said to me ligma ❤😁
I’ve loved steven universe so much as a kid I’ve sometimes said to myself it’s in the big three of cartoons network shows alongside regular show and adventure time after I watched the entire show people say it has problems such as that some characters don’t deserve an immediate redemption or it was rushed but I have accepted that’s what other people think and I do think it has some flaws but it is what it is
6:13 *overstated
Don't worry. All the great TH-camrs get that wrong. Hello Future Me did it twice in one video.
Yeah
I'm 24 and Im the same exact way. If something bad is in theatres and on TV I just say "Well that looks like garbage", and move on. I have too many better things to do in life than focus on bad fandoms and bad TV/movies.
Since you haven’t done a star versus the forces of evil video yet, can you at least talk about/recap total drama?
I'm so happy that SU is starting to get the recognition it deserves (imo)
ASH DID IT HES A POKÉMON MASTER NOW LAST EP I CRYED
Wait....Velma had a fanbase?!
So, I thought the "hate" for Steven Universe came from a mix of the dislike for its fanbase, the ending to the original series, and the Future continuation. Never heard of the universal hate you mentioned because most I've seen talk about it seemed to like the series outside of those things.
This is coming from a dude who's seen a handful of the show tops, so take my words with a grain of salt. Just wanted to mention it because my nosy ass watches videos on these "bad" shows often, and it usually ends up being mere aspects of them that the Fandom rightfully dislikes that certain people use to shit on the show entirely. It's like a youtuber making a video about how one episode screws up and someone in the comments going "yeah I never liked this show it sucks and if you like it you suck".
this dude just spoke everything i ever wanted to hear. YUHHHHH
I HATED THAT VELMA SHOW!!!!!!!
same,I'm surprised it even has a fandom
Me also
It is shocking and little sad of the fair amount of cartoon or animation youtuber analysis i’ve watchd. Yours is one of the first time i’ve seen someone bring up the animation bible that is richard williams animator survival guide. and even more to hear some of the principles mentioned.
I was under the impression that people loved it. Its full of gay characters and Trama and fusion and shipping and it has movies I couldn't get in to it because of the kitten fists but other people liked it and that was fine. It wasn't getting in the way of me enjoying MY shows. and unlike Naruto, Homestuck and Undertale it wasn't over saturated with posts to the point that my thread on a forum gets pushed to the 3rd page and never read. So I let it run around and do its own thing in the back ground just like Yokai watch or beyblade or Splatoon or Fortnite or TF2 or Halo or Wander over Yonder or Pound Puppies. the shows people loved but I never gave a shot.
Its just its own harmless thing.
As for toxic fandoms I much rather say toxic fans. every show has them but there is no show where the whole fandom is toxic .
any time you say "All" be prepared to be inaccurate there are always acceptations You don't have to let those people in your life. .
Yeah
A Toxic community is, both :
1 - a community of fans of a specific media that cannot talk to each others on a specific subject without insulting each others in all the possible ways, going often to very hard.
It's often due to the questionable nature of the specific subject from the main media in question, even if small in appearance or actually is small.
It's always a big battle between the side who disagree and the side who agree on if the subject is fine and good, or bad and ugly. For most of the time, it's a ridicule and extreme situation were people battle for a thing who isn't bad and dosen't matter but on which people complains on it.
In these case, the people who complain are a minority and it's them who are in the wrong.
But there several occasions where the subject, even small and insignificant in apearance, is really bad and ugly that the people who complain about it are right and the people who protect and support the subject are a minority and in the wrong, often because they haven't analysed truly deeply the subject and what the latter can give as symbols and messages, and remain on the surface levels who seem to be positive while in reality it's negative.
And since there several subjects inside a same media, there numerous battles as such.
It's even hard when the two side are in a equal position. (the Sonic community is a prime example of it)
2 - a community that complain and destroy completely a media, or a part of him, due to a single element, or some, of it, and don't take into account and forget about all the others elements of the media.
A media can have few bad and quesionable (or not) elements in it, but are few and very scarces compared to the others neutral or positive elements he have along too.
Because of that, the media is underrated, mocked and destroyed completely completely undeserved unfortunately.
However, as said too, a single element can seem looking nice, neutral or good in surface levels, but in reality be completely bad, insulting and reduce highly the quality of the show so he impact more than we think this latter in negatives ways.
And as such, as mentioned before, here the toxic community have right to complain about and to battle against the few people that protect the element thinking is good while haven't really analysed it deeply and remain in the surface level view.
The three show in the thumbnails/Title screen/shot/picture of this video are good depictions of that on differents degrees of both these two definintion of what a toxic comminuty is : (what follow if the general consensus, see universal one in some case, about each shows. That I just relay/retransmit here. Not at all my personnal view of them, I prefer to precise that at the start)
- Steven Universe : nothing wrong, a great, amazing showthat remain good and keep its quality all along from the beginning to the end. Have yes some weakness, flaws, clumsy moments, and he Epilogue Series, Future is questionable on some points (but all the complains we can made about are due to the behind the scenes probles following the Wedding episode between Ruby and Saphire in the main series, so we must slide and pass on it), but the ultimate consclusion, while not extraordinary (like all show conclusion should do btw in fact) remain correct above the ok line.
And it's that who matter.
Overall, very, very few people complains about it and the whole show is positively regarded and view as he deserved.
- Legend of Korra : A show who begin with undeserved complains even before his diffusion, who rise and manage to prove itself despite questionable yet medium things thoughout his duration, and who end up completely deserving theses same complains by becoming uncanny and unwatchable in his last straight lines, in his very last second after a season that was just only shit on his titular characters thus the rest are well treated (ironically).
A good and correct show that became bad by supressing all the good elements that made the titular characters great, likable and identifiable toward many, and reset it entirely and making it another complete different person who become restricted to a small groups of, targeted, people but failed at what it's mean to give because it's symbolic don't make sens in any kind of way and being aslo irrelevant int he same time.
While it's sad how the second show and the entire ATLA franchise have turn out overtime, being fallen at the end of the second series and who never rise again since, it's sadly a truth that the introduction of LGBT stuff and the total, yet useless and not understandable, conversion of the world of the franchise into a rainbow world have signed her death warrant.
The franchise always manage to do and go without such things, being woke, to introduced and put things like that, wasn't on the decline and always had a good run at the season 4 of the second series, have any need to include such things, or never feel to be such world, and anybody on earth from the public and the fanbase don't expected, wanted and asked such stuff onscreen.
Why changing and putting such stuff thus everyone keep watching it as the same level as that was lawyas the case and judge why they see correct without any need of somewhat addition to pick things up ?
Every LGBT stuff that the franchise have did feel hugely woke and forced, and the representations in question are badly, see lazily, handled, and every cases have failed to be above the correct line. All are more insulting to the rainbow community than they are mean to be.
Even if we are technically in a 50/50 equal battle, the complains side is sligthy bigger than the other side who protect the show, thinking because it's LGBT representation that must be positive.
But people who complain have right, that become a mess of a show and who ruined itself and impacted highly badly most ofthe entire franchise itself including the first original show, because it's not because an LGBT representation is a LGBT representation that she's good and positive by any means.
As far I'm aware, there post racists, bad depictions and positives, accurates depiction of specific ethnies. The same thing go for the LGBT depictions.
There are bad LGBT depiction, even if the will at the start was well intentioned, and the good LGBT depictions.
And sadly, every Korra's cases fall into the first category.
And today, most people reconized and agree that the show did terribly wrong and no more is good that he was before. It's not he's underrated at this point, but reconized how he is currently as he is in reality.
The best thing in such case, it's even to not attempt or try something. And everyone will be happy.
(what they did to her hairs is also a good important element in the controversy the final season have created, but that apart another big suject and I already said a lot here).
- Velma : this show is universally regarded negatively and badly as he deserved. Everyone agree on that.
This Scooby-Doo show (who don't display Scooby-Doo itself) is bad, and suck in everything he want to be. Everything is bad and badly handled, th plot, the characters, the jokes and matures/adults elements.
It's a show who deserved any defense, reconition so he's good at nothing.
Every moment is a pain, the story pass more time on the triangle love plot, that everyone don't care because it's the mystery plot everyone want in a product of the franchise, rather than the mystery plot itself.
The show and the characters are unlikable, the jokes are bads and everything insult and shit/poop on everything at the biggst level : the LGBT comunity, the differents ethnies, the psychological aspects, etc... the list go on.
There any question or discussion to made : it's a 100% bad and dirty show.
So, Velma is at the complete opposite of the spectrum compared to Steven Universe, while LOK is somewhere in the middle.
Whatevers, I think that was a good thing to put the things clear about the subject, about what is what, put things in order. Since it's a very important and sensible topic, and since we must do everything at possible to maintain as lower as possible the toxicity between people, because such thing can lead sadly to accidents if anything to prevent them is made.
Otherwise, that was a good video !
How dare you mention steven universe with Velma at the same time