No offence but the XT LinkGlide has been on the mouth of many mtb magazines/portals (PB, VitalMTB etc) so to say no one has heard of it about is a bit of a stretch. But yeah, despite the coverage in these famous magazines most audiences would just normally overlook them in favour of 12 speed or electronic shiftings. But its durability and lifespan is no joke as Shimano has often promoted LinkGlide to last three times than their normal HG or even the HG+ products.
@@Michael-fi6ve No it's not, since most people Ride e-bikes and cheaper bikes also in the rain, which wouldn't work with a waxed chain, since all the water and dirt will quickly destroy your wax coating
Linkglide is awesome! The increased plate thickness from 1.55mm to 1.95mm width makes it much more durable. Especially for powerful ebikes, it solves the material deforming cog problem *ALL* Hyperglide groupsets have. I use Linkglide on my new 1500Watt ebike, It shifts unbelievably smooth under load. (Hyperglide always protests in a loudly manner when under serious load) I'm absolutely convinced that Linkglide if the future for *ALL* derailleur based ebikes!
such problem only exist on small cogs or aluminum. you are incorrectly deducing power here instead of torque. it wouldn't be the future for me until multi release is returned or i modify pull ratio
@@detmer87 cog deformation (not abrasion!) happens to some extent on the very smallest cogs (11 and 13t), manifested by the presence of burrs on the edge of teeth. if burrs are not present, it's abrasive cog wear by chain stretch and dirt. With powerful ebikes you tend to have bigger chainrings and therefore use 11 and 13t cogs much less, as they're outside the 25km/h range at ideal cadence. If you find yourself constantly riding on the 11t cog at relatively low speed, your cadence is way too low. since you've got a 1500W ebike like I do, your chainring must be at least 40t and ideal motor rpm 100-130. 11 and 13t cogs will give you insane speed far beyond the legal limit. therefore I have removed the 11t cog from my 10s 11-50t cassette. That slims down the cassette to something like 35mm, minimizing crosschaining. I still get all the speed I want. 50km/h no problem if I want to. 12000km down the line I might give linkglide a go, when my 2 chains and 1 cassette are done...
I reacently built a touring Mtb witch i wanted to have a long lasting, cheap and big range drivetrain. So I chose 2x11 cues with over 600% range. So far I am loving it.
XT 12 speed cassette since 2019 October and still going strong today, regular chain replacements, and washing the bike. Using Sram AXS X01 rear mech as well for 2 years now without issues as well on that same cassette
I got a shimano deore XT 2x12 M8120 for 2 years and 1 week, about 6000km on the 2nd chain now, i know i should be on 3rd if not 4th chain, but still on 1st cassette, same break pads, same mineral oil as it came with, only changed the inner tube and tire for back wheel after 1000km to a puncture protection, needs a tuning and new pedals but still works good. Had a choice to buy a 1x11 carbon 2nd hand bike or get a 2x12 or 1x12 aluminium new bike. But it could be a good option if they have this in the 2x12 version when i change the cassette next year. Thank you for the video!
I'm using this with a Dynasys 11 m8020-2 38/28 crankset to have a 2x11 drivetrain with an 11-50t cassette. The first 5 gears in low range work fine, the 11 gears work in high range. This makes the ultimate XC drivetrain. The 10 speed 11-43t cassette works even better, all gears are usable, but you lose out on the lowest ratio.
XT 11 speed link glide is a great value cassette , derailer with clutch and shifter. I use it on my CYC Photon ebike conversion (110nm), changes are a little slower, but you don't get the gear crucnh when changing gears under load. I would buy for my future conversions.
m5130 linkglide deore 10 speed mech & shifter on mine, along with a cues 11/48 cassette. Works brilliantly, despite shimano saying 43t max. Plus 1/2 the price of 11 speed.
M8130 is the best price/value imho. I run it it also, with a KMC chain. The only 'issue' for some people mightbe the shifting is a bit slower than with hyperglide+ 11s/12s.
does it make sense to use other than the linkglide chain though? the most prominent factor of linkglide is that it lasts longer and thats in part due to the chain
@@SiegwardZwiebelbrudi yes, the visuals. I dripped my bike in black\gold\purple with oil slick bolts. Nothing is silvery on it, so the silver lg chain would be an eye sore.
I think Shimano releasing Linkglide with a 900g cassette (LG600) put people off. Along with when it was released (announced) it wasn’t available for a year, still with Covid supply chain issues. Then when Cues was released they swapped the spider on the cassette from steel to aluminium to reduce the weight (LG700). The cues stuff was impossible to get hold of for months. Also the Cues line is a mess, none of it compatible with I Spec EV. Uses one of the older standards
I switched from Eagle Transmission T-Type 12 speed to this M8130 setup and I love it. I paid 170 euro for the shifter, the cassette (LG700) and derailleur. That is cheaper than a spare Transmission cog cage! This is btw on a 10k S-Works bike. I couldn't care less.
Maybe* its not correct to use this tool/calibre to measure chain elongation for LG500, like 12 speeds and some 11 sp chain, because these chain have a larger roller diameter. For 12sp chain should use different tool, like Park Tool CC-4.2. Your tool will always show a better result for 12-speed chains than it actually is, maybe LG the same?!
The Shimano website is an absolute disgrace. All of the links, no matter what you're looking for, always just go to somewhere vague and irrelevant. I'm still running XT M780 and with a Saint rear mech from a decade ago and it works better than 12-speed in terms of durability, shift quality, and actual functionality (more gear changes per lever pull).
After 2000km I just changed chain and chainring on my full power enduro ebike from 2022 Chain was xlc and chainring was praxis, cassette is shimano slx (still at 100% as far as I can tell), derailleur is deore xt 12 speed and approaching end of life judging by the slack in the pivots. All riding in mud and grit I find 1400km on linkglide pretty reasonable and not that hard to achieve
it makes sense for mTB because MTB drive train is so expensive, its better to have this for training and for race day you can swop out the casset , and chain to some xtr or whatever
Link glide is for HG freehub, and 12 shimano is microspline. You need to swap freehub too, or to have a HG training rear wheel complete wirh cassette etc, and a race wheel. And then swap shifter & RD too (cause 11s vs 12s & different pull ratios)...long story short, not an easy swap.
I'm using this on my ibis ripmo. I would say it's by far not as good as standard xt 11 speed. (I love 11 speed instead of 12, not as tight tolerances.). It's especially got problems in 50t with dirt. It's very noisy because steel, the grit really grinds away. it's also heavy of course
Ive been riding the shimano xt 12 sp for over a year. Literally just learned it can be pushed more than one click and the lever goes BOTH directions 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@ I'm very exact and would never mash anything just one click... been using mega 9 up untill this february, all this new stuff blowing my mind 🤷🧞♂️😜💫😂😂😂
@@verdi6092 no the shifter does not need to be 11-speed it can be 12-speed, you just adjust the low limit screw so your chain doesn't get sucked into the spokes.
Linkglide has some major flaws, such using the HG freehub with all problems that carries... HG frehubs cannot withstand the torque from motor and the cassette is prone to dent the flanges and slip with use... I've used 11 speed groupsets with HG freehub and I've been forced to replace those after some months of use on e-Mtb. The best solution is a standard Shimano 12 speed transmission such a full steel deore cassette with a deore chain and a slx derailleur. Cheap and reliable.
just use steel body... I have alu Hope and after 8kkm on Levo it works, yes, it's a bit problematic to remove a cassette, and I used Dremel to remove burs/dents, but it works :)
HG bodies are widely available and are much easier to find a good/cheap wheelset with. Also as the other comment suggested, it's not weak by design but by the material it's made of. Many wheelset manufacturers make their own HG hubs so quality issues are on their side, not on shimanos
What does XD vs. HG have anything to do with lasting? XD allows a 10 or 9 tooth smallest cog vs. HG. That's the only difference. If anything, XD *wont* last as long as that 9T or 10T cog will have wear more quickly than HG's 11T cog due to not distributing the load across as many teeth.
The cassette has nearly zero influence on chain wear it came probably down to your maintenance schedule. On the other hand a sample size of one does not establish a trend. I'm a professional bike mechanic and have nothing good to say about shimano drive trains in regards to longevity. And I saw hundreds if not thousands of customer e bikes. Mostly 12 speed but compared to sram it is a joke. And I have a hard time believing that the 11 speed drive trains are noticeably better.
#1 influence is the dirt load in the chain #2 the lubricant quality and amount in the chain #3 amount of crosschaining on average #4 power going through the drivetrain With immersion waxing (paraffin wax + WS2) I get over 6000km to 0.5% stretch with a very powerful ebike (160Nm...) my impression is that power doesn't even matter that much relative to chain cleanliness. More power just increases the risk of snapping chains by popping out a rivet.
@lastfm4477 I spoke of chain wear. And if you'd known how exactly a chain operates and wears you would not have made that comment. It is the inner chain links and the inside of the rollers that see the absolute majority of wear not the outside surfaces
@@Dumbo3.1428 because the rollers tend to be of higher hardness than the cogs. and yes, it's mostly the dirt inside the chain's moving parts that wears it out. That's why immersion waxing is absolutely the best lubrication hands down.
@JoLe1991 no if everything works as intended there is no relative movement between the outside of the rollers and the teth. The proof of this is seen in the fact that the cassette teeth aren't worn down by abrasion but compression as witnessed by the material sticking out on either side of the teeth that see compression loading.
No it's not with a ebike. I tow Croozer kid trailer with my Canyon ebike and it eats chains crazy fast even with those fancy lubes and regular maintenance. I guess I drive too fast lol. (Usually 20-25km/h)
Isnt click bait lololol. Everybody knows linklide XT. Can be interresting option, but it has one big downside. Its 11tooth fastest gear. System has too low range. You need big chainring mostly on EBikes. Bad clearence, often hitting rocks with chainring. Shimano 12sp. 10-45 cassete is much better option.
@@streddazyou mean some boš etc motor . yea there it doesn't matter . however on more professional motor setup all cassette still can be used especially if you like to pedal alone on small cog
No offence but the XT LinkGlide has been on the mouth of many mtb magazines/portals (PB, VitalMTB etc) so to say no one has heard of it about is a bit of a stretch. But yeah, despite the coverage in these famous magazines most audiences would just normally overlook them in favour of 12 speed or electronic shiftings. But its durability and lifespan is no joke as Shimano has often promoted LinkGlide to last three times than their normal HG or even the HG+ products.
only thing it's not needed aside small cogs or aluminum cogs.
Yeah I seem to recall a splash on Radavist and Bikepacking when it came out.
The durability is clickbait too, anyone with a waxed chain should get many thousands of miles with almost no wear
@@Michael-fi6ve No it's not, since most people Ride e-bikes and cheaper bikes also in the rain, which wouldn't work with a waxed chain, since all the water and dirt will quickly destroy your wax coating
@@j.k.b5014Wax is water proof. But it will last longer with the cues casette than with even a usual 11 speed XT one.
Linkglide is awesome! The increased plate thickness from 1.55mm to 1.95mm width makes it much more durable. Especially for powerful ebikes, it solves the material deforming cog problem *ALL* Hyperglide groupsets have. I use Linkglide on my new 1500Watt ebike, It shifts unbelievably smooth under load. (Hyperglide always protests in a loudly manner when under serious load)
I'm absolutely convinced that Linkglide if the future for *ALL* derailleur based ebikes!
such problem only exist on small cogs or aluminum. you are incorrectly deducing power here instead of torque. it wouldn't be the future for me until multi release is returned or i modify pull ratio
@@detmer87 cog deformation (not abrasion!) happens to some extent on the very smallest cogs (11 and 13t), manifested by the presence of burrs on the edge of teeth. if burrs are not present, it's abrasive cog wear by chain stretch and dirt. With powerful ebikes you tend to have bigger chainrings and therefore use 11 and 13t cogs much less, as they're outside the 25km/h range at ideal cadence. If you find yourself constantly riding on the 11t cog at relatively low speed, your cadence is way too low.
since you've got a 1500W ebike like I do, your chainring must be at least 40t and ideal motor rpm 100-130. 11 and 13t cogs will give you insane speed far beyond the legal limit. therefore I have removed the 11t cog from my 10s 11-50t cassette. That slims down the cassette to something like 35mm, minimizing crosschaining. I still get all the speed I want. 50km/h no problem if I want to. 12000km down the line I might give linkglide a go, when my 2 chains and 1 cassette are done...
I reacently built a touring Mtb witch i wanted to have a long lasting, cheap and big range drivetrain. So I chose 2x11 cues with over 600% range. So far I am loving it.
XT 12 speed cassette since 2019 October and still going strong today, regular chain replacements, and washing the bike.
Using Sram AXS X01 rear mech as well for 2 years now without issues as well on that same cassette
Been running full xt link glide drivetrain on my Levo SL gen 2 for last 2years. Zero issues.
I got a shimano deore XT 2x12 M8120 for 2 years and 1 week, about 6000km on the 2nd chain now, i know i should be on 3rd if not 4th chain, but still on 1st cassette, same break pads, same mineral oil as it came with, only changed the inner tube and tire for back wheel after 1000km to a puncture protection, needs a tuning and new pedals but still works good. Had a choice to buy a 1x11 carbon 2nd hand bike or get a 2x12 or 1x12 aluminium new bike. But it could be a good option if they have this in the 2x12 version when i change the cassette next year. Thank you for the video!
I'm using this with a Dynasys 11 m8020-2 38/28 crankset to have a 2x11 drivetrain with an 11-50t cassette. The first 5 gears in low range work fine, the 11 gears work in high range. This makes the ultimate XC drivetrain. The 10 speed 11-43t cassette works even better, all gears are usable, but you lose out on the lowest ratio.
XT 11 speed link glide is a great value cassette , derailer with clutch and shifter. I use it on my CYC Photon ebike conversion (110nm), changes are a little slower, but you don't get the gear crucnh when changing gears under load. I would buy for my future conversions.
m5130 linkglide deore 10 speed mech & shifter on mine, along with a cues 11/48 cassette. Works brilliantly, despite shimano saying 43t max. Plus 1/2 the price of 11 speed.
i'm currently using the LG XT 11-speed shifter with a U8000 Cues rear mech and a Cues LG400 11-speed cassette.
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M8130 is the best price/value imho. I run it it also, with a KMC chain. The only 'issue' for some people mightbe the shifting is a bit slower than with hyperglide+ 11s/12s.
does it make sense to use other than the linkglide chain though? the most prominent factor of linkglide is that it lasts longer and thats in part due to the chain
@@SiegwardZwiebelbrudi yes, the visuals. I dripped my bike in black\gold\purple with oil slick bolts. Nothing is silvery on it, so the silver lg chain would be an eye sore.
I think Shimano releasing Linkglide with a 900g cassette (LG600) put people off. Along with when it was released (announced) it wasn’t available for a year, still with Covid supply chain issues.
Then when Cues was released they swapped the spider on the cassette from steel to aluminium to reduce the weight (LG700). The cues stuff was impossible to get hold of for months.
Also the Cues line is a mess, none of it compatible with I Spec EV. Uses one of the older standards
Nice timing. I just fully converted to Linkglide while building up my new bike 😁
I switched from Eagle Transmission T-Type 12 speed to this M8130 setup and I love it. I paid 170 euro for the shifter, the cassette (LG700) and derailleur. That is cheaper than a spare Transmission cog cage! This is btw on a 10k S-Works bike. I couldn't care less.
Maybe* its not correct to use this tool/calibre to measure chain elongation for LG500, like 12 speeds and some 11 sp chain, because these chain have a larger roller diameter. For 12sp chain should use different tool, like Park Tool CC-4.2. Your tool will always show a better result for 12-speed chains than it actually is, maybe LG the same?!
Except he is not using it on a 12 speed chain.
@@NotAnonymousNo80014 Yes, but LG500 its for 10/11 speed,for some 11 sp the same situation. Will check roller diameter for this chain.
@@NotAnonymousNo80014 the same roller diameter with 12 speed Ultegra, little bit larger when 9 speed
Hi, can you make a complete presentation of the Linkglide family of components?
yes please!!
The Shimano website is an absolute disgrace. All of the links, no matter what you're looking for, always just go to somewhere vague and irrelevant. I'm still running XT M780 and with a Saint rear mech from a decade ago and it works better than 12-speed in terms of durability, shift quality, and actual functionality (more gear changes per lever pull).
Maybe not always but it doesnt work ad it should
oh wow that shifting is awesome
After 2000km I just changed chain and chainring on my full power enduro ebike from 2022
Chain was xlc and chainring was praxis, cassette is shimano slx (still at 100% as far as I can tell), derailleur is deore xt 12 speed and approaching end of life judging by the slack in the pivots.
All riding in mud and grit
I find 1400km on linkglide pretty reasonable and not that hard to achieve
I have the 11speed Linkglide XT on my Emtb, it's a great groupset!
it makes sense for mTB because MTB drive train is so expensive, its better to have this for training and for race day you can swop out the casset , and chain to some xtr or whatever
Link glide is for HG freehub, and 12 shimano is microspline. You need to swap freehub too, or to have a HG training rear wheel complete wirh cassette etc, and a race wheel. And then swap shifter & RD too (cause 11s vs 12s & different pull ratios)...long story short, not an easy swap.
I'm putting this onto my touring bike.
Deore 2/10 on a Trinx 2022 over 10k km chain wear still under 0.75 and I ride in Cambodia hot wet and dusty.....
Thank you very much for this very interesting video !
Hi do u have a video of servicing the rd of shimano cues 9s?
I'm using this on my ibis ripmo. I would say it's by far not as good as standard xt 11 speed. (I love 11 speed instead of 12, not as tight tolerances.). It's especially got problems in 50t with dirt. It's very noisy because steel, the grit really grinds away. it's also heavy of course
Please do a trail review on the 9 speed if it could handle rougher terrains than the old acera and alivio groupsets
Ive been riding the shimano xt 12 sp for over a year. Literally just learned it can be pushed more than one click and the lever goes BOTH directions 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
LOL how didn't you stumble upon this!?? 🤣🤣🤣
@ I'm very exact and would never mash anything just one click... been using mega 9 up untill this february, all this new stuff blowing my mind 🤷🧞♂️😜💫😂😂😂
Thanks for the knowledge drop 👍👍🇺🇸
Have you ever seen SRAM cassettes? These machined-off places for chain drop are there since forever...
I have a Ti SRAM 10 speed cassette that has gone through more chains than an African person in a boat in the Atlantic in the 1700's 💀💀💀
@@thetechfromheavenAfrican person... you just saying it because of corporation of goodness right?
So in theory you can use the XT 12s Rd and Shifter to pair with the cues 11 speed U6000 or U8000 Sprocket and chain?
The shifter must be 11 speed
@@verdi6092 no the shifter does not need to be 11-speed it can be 12-speed, you just adjust the low limit screw so your chain doesn't get sucked into the spokes.
@@NonLegitNation2 but isnt a u6000 / u8000 a 11 speed sprocket?
@@NonLegitNation2 The inter-cog spacing between 11sp and 12sp is different. It needs more than just changing the limit screw.
By chance I just bought this, for once I did good.
pls test shifting it with shimano 10-speed shifter/rd. cassette spacing is very similar
Why? You expect an 11sp shifter to work with a 10speed cassette? QUES/XT8130 is its own pull ratio.
@lastfm4477 i already explained it. don't ask such questions.
Are the linkglide cassettes available for 12s microspline hub? I'm ok with 10 or 11 gears but prefer not to change cassette interface if possible.
Probably not, but if you have dt Swiss wheels it's pretty easy to swap free huh bodies
@@j.k.b5014 Yeah I have set of H1900 so the freehub body can be changed. It's 65 euros or something though.
I got 11,000km one chan and cassette on my 12 speed xt mountain bike
Perhaps. But they'll have been worn together for the last 5000km so you couldn't just change the chain.
Use this with DI2 system
Wonder did you understood yourself what you said from 00:35? 😅 "IS XT 12 SPEED? THIS ONE IS IT." (Showed 11 speed for whole remaining video, hmm)
I believe he meant to say "isn't" but it didn't really sound right.
@ my guess was same, but in the same sentence about click bait it was fun 😅
@@tom10crafted Well, he is not native English speaker so mistakes in pronunciation are justified. ;)
Linkglide has some major flaws, such using the HG freehub with all problems that carries... HG frehubs cannot withstand the torque from motor and the cassette is prone to dent the flanges and slip with use... I've used 11 speed groupsets with HG freehub and I've been forced to replace those after some months of use on e-Mtb. The best solution is a standard Shimano 12 speed transmission such a full steel deore cassette with a deore chain and a slx derailleur. Cheap and reliable.
just use steel body... I have alu Hope and after 8kkm on Levo it works, yes, it's a bit problematic to remove a cassette, and I used Dremel to remove burs/dents, but it works :)
HG bodies are widely available and are much easier to find a good/cheap wheelset with. Also as the other comment suggested, it's not weak by design but by the material it's made of. Many wheelset manufacturers make their own HG hubs so quality issues are on their side, not on shimanos
I actually learnt something. Doesn't happen every day.
I love HG but it’s way inferior to SRAM XD. I’m running HG on my EBike and there is no way it’s going to last.
What does XD vs. HG have anything to do with lasting? XD allows a 10 or 9 tooth smallest cog vs. HG. That's the only difference. If anything, XD *wont* last as long as that 9T or 10T cog will have wear more quickly than HG's 11T cog due to not distributing the load across as many teeth.
What isnt going to last? The freehub body? 😂
Yeah. Like when a free hub body gets so chewed up that you can’t fit a new cassette.
The cassette has nearly zero influence on chain wear it came probably down to your maintenance schedule. On the other hand a sample size of one does not establish a trend. I'm a professional bike mechanic and have nothing good to say about shimano drive trains in regards to longevity. And I saw hundreds if not thousands of customer e bikes. Mostly 12 speed but compared to sram it is a joke. And I have a hard time believing that the 11 speed drive trains are noticeably better.
#1 influence is the dirt load in the chain
#2 the lubricant quality and amount in the chain
#3 amount of crosschaining on average
#4 power going through the drivetrain
With immersion waxing (paraffin wax + WS2) I get over 6000km to 0.5% stretch with a very powerful ebike (160Nm...)
my impression is that power doesn't even matter that much relative to chain cleanliness. More power just increases the risk of snapping chains by popping out a rivet.
Wrong. The LG cassette cogs are wider, so the stress on each tooth is spread across more metal area.
@lastfm4477 I spoke of chain wear. And if you'd known how exactly a chain operates and wears you would not have made that comment. It is the inner chain links and the inside of the rollers that see the absolute majority of wear not the outside surfaces
@@Dumbo3.1428 because the rollers tend to be of higher hardness than the cogs. and yes, it's mostly the dirt inside the chain's moving parts that wears it out. That's why immersion waxing is absolutely the best lubrication hands down.
@JoLe1991 no if everything works as intended there is no relative movement between the outside of the rollers and the teth. The proof of this is seen in the fact that the cassette teeth aren't worn down by abrasion but compression as witnessed by the material sticking out on either side of the teeth that see compression loading.
Too
too good? bro are u insane?
From a manufacturers perspective of course.
I almost put that stuff on my cargo bike but went with a Rohloff instead. Longevity was what I was looking for.
1400km is a little premature to boast about zero chain ware. Waste of time watching come back with results after 8047km or 5000mi.
For any mountain biker, 1400km is impressive. Road groupsets are not as abused as much
@@RC-fp1tlmaybe if you weigh 85kg. I have 5000km on deore 12s cassette and just now starting to show wear.
No it's not with a ebike. I tow Croozer kid trailer with my Canyon ebike and it eats chains crazy fast even with those fancy lubes and regular maintenance.
I guess I drive too fast lol. (Usually 20-25km/h)
@ 5000 miles not km in 10 months leisure riding 1x10 MTB group set on a fully equipped touring bike
I know how chain wear works
Isnt click bait lololol. Everybody knows linklide XT. Can be interresting option, but it has one big downside. Its 11tooth fastest gear. System has too low range. You need big chainring mostly on EBikes. Bad clearence, often hitting rocks with chainring. Shimano 12sp. 10-45 cassete is much better option.
In theory maybe. 12s lasts not as long as 11s.
Dont act like you'll ever need a 38t chainring on a moder ebike even with 11-45 casette.
This was just too late. After 12s came out, noone wants to go back.
Naah, I stayed on 10s.
It's an Ebike, you don't need 12 speed.
@@streddazyou mean some boš etc motor . yea there it doesn't matter . however on more professional motor setup all cassette still can be used especially if you like to pedal alone on small cog
Bro what kind of world you living you never heard about deore? :)
I like practical durable components not that electronic shifting nonsense
absolutely useless that LG. only incapacitated will change normal xt to xt without double release