During difficult economic circumstances, mergers and acquisitions happen in order to offer the best chance of survival. It is better than the complete elimination of college sports including football.
@@dfausti66 There going to elimate themselves regardless the economy is not doing welll and they want more money! Wait until the tv channels run out of money!
Remember that TX/OK left the BIG12 due to not having the lift to get a Tier 1 deal, few games of higher fan interest (even with lots of regional history), and the effects on recruiting. Given all of that and the BIG12's recent dilutive backfill, FSU and CLEMSON will somehow have the lift, etc.?
@@tarheel7406 swing and a miss. ut not quallified to be in a conf / want same deal as Notre Dame, i.e., will not share equally. Soon all but 1-2 premier programs of sec will learn. (ou - follower/broke).
I’ve been saying this for a while now… the sec and big 10 won’t be at the top forever! Things change and don’t be surprised when 10 years down the road the big 12 is on top.
The Big 10 will not admit universities that are not members of the Association of American Universities (AAU). FSU & Clemson are not AAU accredited and therefore not eligible for Big 10 membership. Nebraska lost their AAU accreditation after joining the Big 19.
The B1G has accepted non AAU members who became AAU members later. Also, before Notre Dame was AAU they already had an open invitation to join the B1G anytime… and still do of course
When I first started watching, his voice made me imagine Matt as a middle aged bald guy. Every time he puts a pic of her up it feels weird till I remember he’s only 23
I called it 6 months ago and you all said i was dumb for it 😂😂😂 I told you all the Big 12 will do anything and everything to grab these 2 teams if they leave. The big 12 is on life support because they dont have a mjor name brand school. They have a bunch of notable schools. But no premier schools. And again it keeps the sport interesting
I think people expect all the big name schools (Michigan, Texas, Georgia, etc) as staying at 10+ wins yearly. That’s not happening when there are like 6 of these teams in a conference. Some team in the Big 12 will take the prestige of a UT/OU and those teams will likely become mediocre.
Having three Florida schools to match Texas heavy teams would be pretty interesting. Then you also have traditional East and West sides making travel easier. I wonder if Louisville might be a better add than VT in the 20 team league.
@@Guknowit UVA is a smoke screen. State school and high respect yes..but never ready for football despite HUGE HUGE players. When the run on basketabll schools happens Kansas, UVA, UNC, Duke to the SEC...but that is still to come.
Remember that TX/OK left the BIG12 due to not having the lift to get a Tier 1 deal, few games of higher fan interest (even with lots of regional history), and the effects on recruiting. Given all of that and the BIG12's recent dilutive backfill, FSU and CLEMSON will somehow have the lift, etc?
Moronic! There is a GOR in place. The cost is $572m or get 10 teams to leave. They have neither! Go win your court case, which looks doubtful, or get 10 teams to leave.
The delusion of big 12 fans are funny. Theres zero chance they end up in the big 12. And it's bs that they started talking about being in the conference. Then reporting it. That's the definition of tampering.
This guy doesnt know what he's talking about the Big 12 is reallly not a option for Clemson and FSU !They just may stay in the ACC becuase they want be respected in the big 12!
I thought we wanted to leave ACC because we are not getting the finances we deserve, the Big 12 financials are exactly the same - I would rather go independent and make our own decisions.
Indy would be interesting to see it that can work today for an upper but not really blue football brand. Would have to put the other sports in the BIG12.
Idc what anyone says about Big12, the Big12 now is a good conference not the best conference but is a good conference. Florida st and Clemson would be interesting option for Big12 but the conference now is doing fine.
I live in Oklahoma and am a fan of both OU and OSU. This stuff is cool, I would like to see the Big 12 add Clemson and Florida State. Miami is possible as well. It seems the guy running the Big 12 is trying to position it as a good football conference, but also making it the strongest for basketball and other sports as well. I doubt Notre Dame will ever join a conference now that they can get an easy path to the playoff being independent. I would like to see the conference add Navy, Army, and Air Force Academies. I think it would be cool to have all 3 service academies in one conference. I'm not trying to say that the academies would add strength, but they wouldn't make it weaker.
Keep in mind that there legal issues involved in recruiting a team still in a different conference. If the ACC folded or FSU and/or Clemson were available, I think both the SEC and Big 10 would both be interested in them and probably other form ACC teams as well.
The Big 12 hatred for SMU in an environment where all past cheating is now the norm and their $ will make a problem is simply funny. The deal SMU offered for an up and coming program in Dallas was just too good to not sign on. Cal and Stanford was a nod to ND and the ability to hold together for the next five years.
I stopped watching as soon as you said if SEC was going to go after schools it would be UNC and Virginia two basketball schools not football schools basketball schools which would dilute the SEC why in the world would they ever ever ever want to do something that's stupid they would be laughed at.
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LOL... TX/OK left the BIG12 partly due to no games of high interest and the recruiting disadvantages even though they have history with those teams. CLEMSON and FSU would go to the BIG12 to die in the 4th or the irrelevant 3rd conference,
@@aisaxonawiat6484 Not that fluid. From 1980, it took ~40 years (i.e. ~2.5 generations) for VA, NC & GA to catch IL, MI, OH & PA in population. While that population growth is quasi-exponential so the future gap will increasingly grow going forward, it did take that long. Americans have been moving to the coasts and south for a long time now. Likely because agriculture and other middle country industries are more efficient, certain industries no longer need to be concentrated, etc. There have been studies (per my understanding) of the impact of affordable air conditioning. The most important states in which the new BIG12 has a presence are Texas and Florida, but it doesn't have the flag or #2 in either. The BIG12 is the clear #4 in a tiered P4. The ACC will deplete down as well, but it will have better non-football aspects than the BIG12. I'm sure each will see itself as the better Tier 2, as it should be.
If by chance FSU & Clemson do join the BIG12, I seriously doubt te BIG12 will stop at only adding 2 ACC programs. I think Louisville, VTech, NCState, Miami would also be pursued, maybe UNC, Duke, GTech, or Syracuse. Ultimately Brett Y has shown he will be aggressive in adding any quality program that adds value and increases annual payouts to current members. 1. FSU, Clemson 2a Louisville, UNC, Duke, Miami 2b Vtech NCstate 3. GTech, Syracuse These are the programs that would actually add value to the BIG12 and increase annual payouts. BIG12 will rank them and pursue appropriately. If FSU and Clemson both join the BIG12, I can see BIG12 also adding Louisville, Miami, VTech, & NCState, which makes sense from a market share perspective. Expanding the BIG12 footprint into Virginia, Kentucky, North Carolina, & South Florida. Even if FSU & Clemson dont join the BIG12, I can still see BIG12 adding 2-4 of the quality ACC programs that seek greener pastures with more future revenues, far more stability, value diversification, and less risks. Not saying BIG12 adds them all, but I dont see a future where the BIG12 doesnt add at least 2-4 ACC programs.
IF the ACC were to implode as a Big 12 fan, the best I can see is Louisville Virginia Tech, NC State & Miami. 15-20% odds of adding FSU/Clemson aren't good odds.
The top 4 playoff seeding screwed all this up. All the conferences saw favoritism towards SEC,BIG10, making national championship games. Clemson had to play somone from either conference in season to prove wothy post season (playoffs) everytime they won a chip.
The girl comparison is more like this. Your married to girl #4 but shes not as pretty as girl #1 or girl #2. So you divorce girl number 4 at great legal cost and paying huge alimony just to marry girl #4's identical twin sister girl #3
This doesnt make any sense... why on earth would the sec not want Clemson or FSU? and dont give me that tired excuse about the sec already has schools in that state, cause miss st / ole miss, vandy / tenn, auburn / bama says hi... It just doesnt make sense. Clemson and FSU are major powers in the game.
All of this consolidation, and eventually these "superconferences" will splinter into divisions, based on regionality. If you win your division, you're in the playoffs. It's almost of if this concept has existed before...
Hey Matt great stuff. I was wondering if you had ever heard of Demetrius Summers. Probably the greatest SC high school running back ever. I think he would make a great video.
He ruined his career by using drugs. He could have been a multi-millionaire. Instead, I think he spent sometime in jail. How do you get thru to someone like that and make him see how he is hurting himself?
@@DaninVirgina-mg7rf yeah he was very special. It would be interesting to hear about his high school career and records, his recruitment. I just think it would make a good video.
BIG10 is the most exciting/best conference did you forget we added USC, Oregon, Washington and UCLA with all the other legacy teams we already have in Conference like Michigan and Ohio State yeah we win
I could be wrong but I believe I heard that the sec is very cautious not to bring in any schools that will over step any current schools recruiting base without bringing in their own
I think the Texas schools and the Florida schools should be in the same conference with Oklahoma State. Texas, Florida and Oklahoma have been football hotbeds aince forever.
Matt to have the platform you have it make no sense for you to sit here spread lies you have no idea what Florida state is doing because no one does and the acc pay more then the big 12 y would they step down that’s dum
Why would Florida State and Clemson want to leave the ACC to join an inferior conference? First off, they would never consider joining the Big 12 unless they each receiver a bigger slice of the TV revenue than current Big XII members. This is the problem with their presence in the ACC. FSU and Clemson are tied of being the big brands, but making equal money.
The BIG12 is the "nothing" in an "all or nothing" strategy." "FSU and Clemson are tied of being the big brands, but making equal money." Then they have nowhere to go. but indy. What conference wants to add members that will complain about being a carrier? What conference wants to add members that will be carried?
I saw a different one with 24 schools in the Big 12 in a 12 school east & west division, the B1G with 18 and the SEC with 18. (they add Virginia & UNC) The west coast ACC schools are boned & some of the leftover east coast schools are boned. Coastal Atlantic IS BC/Duke/Syracuse/WF with some AAC. Coastal Pacific is OSU/WSU/Stanford/Cal & some MWC.
a) No reason for an even larger/wider Tier 2 BIG12. b) Such a large/wide Tier 2 BIG12 wouldn't have the gravity to remain stable. Would this be some separate Tier 2 league?
@@tarheel7406 I don't know how it would work. I just saw a tweet (or X?) and it looked wonderful for me, but not so great for a lot of ACC schools. It only made sense if the B1G doesn't want to add & the SEC wants to add two new states. I did wonder how two - 12 school Big 12 divisions would work. Would it be one power conference? I guess if the old ACC voted to disband the ACC they could have a lot of flexibility. With the B12W with Arizona, ASU, BU, BYU, CU, ISU, KU, KSU, OSU, TCU, TT & Utah being the Big 12 & the B12E instead of staying with that name just be renamed the NEW ACC. It would have Cinc, UH, UCF, WVU, Clemson, FSU, GT, Louisville, Miami, NCSt, Pitt & VT. The new Coastal Atlantic would have 10 including BC, Duke, Syr, WF, Tulane, SFlorida, E Carolina, Rice, Temple, Memphis and the newly created Coastal Pacific would be OSU, WSU, Colorado State, UNLV, SDSU, SMU, Cal, Stanford, Boise, New Mexico. I'm not sure how they would do the championship. 3P conferences? 4? Would they try to include the Coastal conferences and have 6 auto bids? Who knows? It's an interesting idea, if nothing else, it would silence the alignment talk for a couple years. 🙂
@@aCycloneSteve I see no problem with a separate Tier 2 with some minimal centralized governance and a separate playoff. I do see problems with centralized scheduling, sub-divisions. I also see a loss from losing separate branding/culture. If the ACC "only" lost UVA/UNC to the SEC, why would any remainders not want to then keep the status quo? I keep asking the same question. Why would OKST or KANSAS want to play KSTATE, IOWAST, TCU & BAYLOR less? Why would CLEMSON want to play VATECH, NCSTATE, DUKE & WAKE less? There will be no peer P3. Ask yourself, if the BIG12 grew very large with former PAC and ACC so that the risk of them splintering off is high, would IOWAST be included or left behind?
@@tarheel7406 I know if the XII fall apart, I'm screwed. As to why would Clemson/FSU accept anything but the best? Because at the time, that could be the best option. If the B1G & SEC say "We are not interested in you at this time, maybe later", once they are free to leave, the rest of the ACC schools know their time has come. They will be bailed on by Clemson/FSU/UNC. In that case they can wait and hope to not get screwed or be proactive. When that happens if B1G/SEC still say no they can be a top school in a P2, poach from the AAC or go independent.
@@tarheel7406 PS: I don't think this will happen, less than 5%. But of course if you had asked me 5 years ago if the PAC would break up, the B1G would get USC/UCLA/UW/UO, the ACC would get Stanford/Cal, the XII would get UA/ASU/CU/UU with OSU/WSU swinging in the breeze I would have rated that as way less than 5%.
Man if that ever happened, you can definitely market a rivalry series with the other religious based schools like BYU, Baylor, and TCU. However, I don’t think this would ever happen, at least joining full time. It’s more plausible that ND would have a similar arrangement like they had with the ACC with the big 12 if the ACC no longer exists.
Whatever happened to the ACC-Big 12 scheduling alliance idea that was floated as a done deal about two years ago? It will be nice to put the football on the tee and kickoff the new season and put these clickbait rumors to bed.
Hey Matt, I been enjoying your videos for a while. I just wanted to ask if you could make a video on Bobby Bruce, the linebacker who got kicked off Independence CC in Last Chance U, or Perry Wells. Keep up the great videos cause they really make my day
I have listened to you in a long time but you came up on my feed. I have laughing that you think Clemson and FSU are going to the Big12. Are you going to do a ‘I was wrong’ video when we end up in the B1G or SEC? We will NOT make a lateral move. No way.
@@tarheel7406 FSU is not staying. CF is radically changing. It’s run by the networks now. We are probably going to the B1G but maybe SEC. Since you are a Tar Heel, I feel strongly your team is going to leave for a P2 conference too. The networks are consolidating the bigger brands. I hate it but that’s what is happening.
I hope Clemson does not go. I am a GT fan and would miss the rivalry (though our side has sucked recently). FSU is butt hurt from the playoffs and a child acting out. They were self-serving when they joined the ACC and now that will have them in the Big 12...Big Fish, questionable pond...that may take them to their revenue goal or tie them up in LT debt with private equity with the rest of these "now now now" thinkers
Remember that TX/OK left the BIG12 due to not having the lift to get a Tier 1 deal, few games of higher fan interest (even with lots of regional history), and the effects on recruiting. Given all of that and the BIG12's recent dilutive backfill, FSU and CLEMSON will somehow have the lift, etc? Do the due diligence and I admittedly have no direct dog in what CLEMSON does, but I suspect FSU is finally seeing its fate and looking for others to help mitigate the damage. I maintain that the SEC gas agreed to take CLEMSON to secure UNC, but it will have to wait out UNC being able to move. If CLEMSON panics and goes BIG12, that arrangement would be done.
@@nathanvandyke9951 It’s not about quality of programs it’s about payouts. ACC has the lowest payout now among power conferences with the B1G currently leading the way and the SEC right there with them. Big 12 would pay FSU and CU more than they make yearly now.
@@jaredslusser959 yeah, that's the other big part of it. Honestly, FSU and Clemson are carrying the ACC, and moving to a conference that is about on par with their old one and is paying more than double is a vrey logical move. Especially since the Big 12 was able to secure that kind of media deal without any big blue programs. Imagine how it would fare with a few like those two.
That doesn't bold well considering the former Big 12 bottom feeder Mizzou has two SEC East division championships and is one of only 3 (Georgia & Alabama) to have three 11 winning seasons in the SEC since the realignment of 2012.
I don't agree that Texas destroyed the Big 12 in 2010 with LHN. That's a different comment for different day. I do think they sealed its fate in 2012 when they could have had FSU/Clemson. But Delo$$ Dodds (Texas AD) had a stiffy trying to get ND to join and ended up getting played. If FSU Clemson joined then, Texas and OU are still in Big 12.
@@maceoa9903 To expand, T-Road favored UCONN but the football and former BIGEAST schools were very opposed. CLEMSON/FSU's threat worked, and L'VILLE was the compromise.
@@tarheel7406 a) no they don’t I’ve already heard it from multiple reliable sports channels b) they are already in the ACC right now so of course they could stay in it if they wanted to
@@tarheel7406 If that were the case then why would FSU and Clemson be talking with the BIG 12 right now. Also why would the ACC kick out their 2 best teams who have been the only ones in decades to give them both conference championships and national championships. You’re not making any sense dude.
The conferences are stupid. They should be regional and they will be when I get college football 25
The SEC is regional. All universities are within contiguous states.
Can you realigne teams in the new game?
@@chriswise7978 yes
@@jimschultz2179 So you could ad endless teams into one or two conferences and how would the generated schedule account for that
I use to put Pitt in the Big 10.
People like Matt love seeing the conferences being destroying
During difficult economic circumstances, mergers and acquisitions happen in order to offer the best chance of survival. It is better than the complete elimination of college sports including football.
@@dfausti66 There going to elimate themselves regardless the economy is not doing welll and they want more money! Wait until the tv channels run out of money!
Nothing we can do about it people will still watch
Because Matt is a casual who watches football a little bit more than most.
Florida States cinnamon rolls😂😂😂 that’s my team but i couldn’t help but laugh!
I thought for a sec I was the only one that heard it😂😂
@@alexanderdeyloff8108 It caught me off guard that’s why it’s so funny! 😂
This would be an amazing move and would give the Big 12 some more relevancy between the SEC and Big 10.
Remember that TX/OK left the BIG12 due to not having the lift to get a Tier 1 deal, few games of higher fan interest (even with lots of regional history), and the effects on recruiting. Given all of that and the BIG12's recent dilutive backfill, FSU and CLEMSON will somehow have the lift, etc.?
@@tarheel7406 swing and a miss. ut not quallified to be in a conf / want same deal as Notre Dame, i.e., will not share equally. Soon all but 1-2 premier programs of sec will learn. (ou - follower/broke).
@@tarheel7406 FSU and Clemson would replace OU and Texas as the two favorites to win the conference every year.
@@user-qh5rm4hi4k I see no relevance in your reply.
@@otterrufus Tier 2 football will be fungible.
I’ve been saying this for a while now… the sec and big 10 won’t be at the top forever! Things change and don’t be surprised when 10 years down the road the big 12 is on top.
The Big 10 will not admit universities that are not members of the Association of American Universities (AAU). FSU & Clemson are not AAU accredited and therefore not eligible for Big 10 membership. Nebraska lost their AAU accreditation after joining the Big 19.
FSU acceptance rate is 25%. Tell me about the B1G?
The B1G has accepted non AAU members who became AAU members later. Also, before Notre Dame was AAU they already had an open invitation to join the B1G anytime… and still do of course
How much is up to.the big Ten and how much is up to Fox?
@@davesteller6301It’s probably 50% Fox and 50% B1G presidents when it comes to adding teams to the conference.
If the big 12 can get both Florida school, they have an opportunity anchor themselves in a growing state.
At this point Matt admit it you have a crush on Livvy Dunne 😂
Is that the blonde he put up?
Yes
When I first started watching, his voice made me imagine Matt as a middle aged bald guy. Every time he puts a pic of her up it feels weird till I remember he’s only 23
@@grondhero Yup
@@andrewmiddleton6199facts 🤣
GREED- GREED- GREED- GREED - AND THEY COMPLIAN ABOUT NIL- PLEASE
I called it 6 months ago and you all said i was dumb for it 😂😂😂
I told you all the Big 12 will do anything and everything to grab these 2 teams if they leave. The big 12 is on life support because they dont have a mjor name brand school. They have a bunch of notable schools. But no premier schools.
And again it keeps the sport interesting
@@seanakima50515e Facts! Name recognition means a lot.
Lmfaoooo they not going
Proof? I think this is good. Need another conference besides B10 and SEC.
same could be said for sec and b10: 2-3 premier brands, remainder not mjor. hide and watch as they 'separate' the premier brands $-wise from the rest.
They not on life support. What a stupit take.
The majority of people can't see it yet, but the Big 12 is destined to become the premiere conference and we will look back on this time and reflect.
This is satire right?
Thx I needed a good laugh.
I think people expect all the big name schools (Michigan, Texas, Georgia, etc) as staying at 10+ wins yearly. That’s not happening when there are like 6 of these teams in a conference.
Some team in the Big 12 will take the prestige of a UT/OU and those teams will likely become mediocre.
@@designsbysell .... nope, it's called foresight and few people have it.
Seriously? Lol
Matt, you forgot to mention the ACC added Cal, Stanford, and SMU.
Like a year ago?
@@jygb7092 Recently!
How is this better than the ACC?
How is it not?
Having three Florida schools to match Texas heavy teams would be pretty interesting. Then you also have traditional East and West sides making travel easier. I wonder if Louisville might be a better add than VT in the 20 team league.
You mean like TEXAS/TXAM vs. FLORIDA?
FSU thought the Big 10 or the SEC wanted them. Neither wanted them 😂😂😂
Because a 🤡 on TH-cam told you so? 😂
Another bright one from Alabama 😂
@r.guardia9107 nobody wants you. Nobody that is anybody .So deal with it. BTW I live nowhere near Alabama. I don't like either SEC team in Alabama.
Makes no sense for FSU to go to a conference in BiG10 with all those schools except UCLA and USC being cold weather schools.
It's about money and it would be great for recruiting for Big ten.
Big10 wants ND & Stanford. Sec wants UNC & UVA.
B1G could have Stanford if they wanted them, the only people who want them is ND.. That's probably why the B1G is having a hard time courting ND.
@@Guknowit UVA is a smoke screen. State school and high respect yes..but never ready for football despite HUGE HUGE players. When the run on basketabll schools happens Kansas, UVA, UNC, Duke to the SEC...but that is still to come.
UVA & UNC would go to the the BIG 10 Before the SEC
Love the channel. I like the move to Big 12. They would be the new OK and TX
Its not goiong to happen keep dreaming!
Remember that TX/OK left the BIG12 due to not having the lift to get a Tier 1 deal, few games of higher fan interest (even with lots of regional history), and the effects on recruiting. Given all of that and the BIG12's recent dilutive backfill, FSU and CLEMSON will somehow have the lift, etc?
@@jmath1978its gon happen…
I wasn't a fan of the NIL/realignment chaos, but with the new video game coming out, I suddenly want more, and I don't know why.
Moronic! There is a GOR in place. The cost is $572m or get 10 teams to leave. They have neither!
Go win your court case, which looks doubtful, or get 10 teams to leave.
What’s up Matt, Be Great
The delusion of big 12 fans are funny. Theres zero chance they end up in the big 12. And it's bs that they started talking about being in the conference. Then reporting it. That's the definition of tampering.
~75% chance FSU lands in the BIG12.
Eliminate all conferences and just go to a power ranking system based on wins and strength of schedule. Top 12 get in.
This guy doesnt know what he's talking about the Big 12 is reallly not a option for Clemson and FSU !They just may stay in the ACC becuase they want be respected in the big 12!
JOIN THE SEC!!!!!
I'm pretty sure they are trying?
I don’t really understand why they would join the big 12. They would actually be making less money in the big 12 than the ACC.
It would be no choice for FSU. CLEMSON I struggle to understand.
With the addition of ACC schools to the B12, the current media payout of $35M per school could potentially double to $70M per school.
again, since utah and arizona joined, they have to, they bring money so does ucf
@@stephencotner129 Delusional....
Dreaming!
Click bait
I thought we wanted to leave ACC because we are not getting the finances we deserve, the Big 12 financials are exactly the same - I would rather go independent and make our own decisions.
Indy would be interesting to see it that can work today for an upper but not really blue football brand. Would have to put the other sports in the BIG12.
Idc what anyone says about Big12, the Big12 now is a good conference not the best conference but is a good conference. Florida st and Clemson would be interesting option for Big12 but the conference now is doing fine.
Nd Florida State Clemson going to the big 12 in 2025 that's crazy but interesting at the same time should be fun.😊
I live in Oklahoma and am a fan of both OU and OSU. This stuff is cool, I would like to see the Big 12 add Clemson and Florida State. Miami is possible as well. It seems the guy running the Big 12 is trying to position it as a good football conference, but also making it the strongest for basketball and other sports as well. I doubt Notre Dame will ever join a conference now that they can get an easy path to the playoff being independent. I would like to see the conference add Navy, Army, and Air Force Academies. I think it would be cool to have all 3 service academies in one conference. I'm not trying to say that the academies would add strength, but they wouldn't make it weaker.
Keep in mind that there legal issues involved in recruiting a team still in a different conference. If the ACC folded or FSU and/or Clemson were available, I think both the SEC and Big 10 would both be interested in them and probably other form ACC teams as well.
The ACC did add Stanford SMU and California though for this season
Time will tell what will happen! Look out Big 10 and SEC. Things are getting strange real fast. Map looks good to me for prospective pods.
This one might not make the cut but could you do a what happened to Landon Jackson.. did he ever get better
I love how Alabama fans don't like giving LSU their props
Let’s do it now
That’s probably the best example 😂😂
Go Bearcats! ❤🐾
I can’t wait for college football
That conference is better than the Acc with WF, BC, SMU, Syracuse, CAL & Stanford.
The Big 12 hatred for SMU in an environment where all past cheating is now the norm and their $ will make a problem is simply funny. The deal SMU offered for an up and coming program in Dallas was just too good to not sign on.
Cal and Stanford was a nod to ND and the ability to hold together for the next five years.
I forgot about the fsu Clemson drama with the ACC
Even with the drama with the ACC Nobody wants to go to the BIg 12!
Hey Matt 🐘🐘
I stopped watching as soon as you said if SEC was going to go after schools it would be UNC and Virginia two basketball schools not football schools basketball schools which would dilute the SEC why in the world would they ever ever ever want to do something that's stupid they would be laughed at.
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What would the point be of going through so much legal turmoil and money to leave a crappy conference just to join another crappy conference?
LESS THAN RICH Fan suffers- check the price of a ticket currently - we are being priced out
Matt I was wondering whatever happened to Denard Robinson from Michigan he seemed to have disappeared after he was drafted
The thing is the Acc might collapse so FSU and Clemson leaving early might be smart to save themselves and get more $$
To go where? The BiG12 has already collapsed.
@@tarheel7406how do you figure that? They just signed a new tv deal
@@khaledkais6044 Compare the original BIG12 with the new. A slow boiled frog is still cooked.
Stop!!! Just stop with these videos! So many speculation videos out there and no one knows. Wake me up when FSU finally leaves the ACC
If this happens, the SEC and Big 10 are still 1/1a - but the Big 12 would be definitely #2.
BYU/Florida St conference game 🤪
LOL... TX/OK left the BIG12 partly due to no games of high interest and the recruiting disadvantages even though they have history with those teams. CLEMSON and FSU would go to the BIG12 to die in the 4th or the irrelevant 3rd conference,
@@tarheel7406.... it will be just the opposite and you can't see it now but the Big 12 will become the dominant conference over time.
@@aisaxonawiat6484 Would take a huge shift in demographics.
@@tarheel7406 .... everything is fluid.
@@aisaxonawiat6484 Not that fluid. From 1980, it took ~40 years (i.e. ~2.5 generations) for VA, NC & GA to catch IL, MI, OH & PA in population. While that population growth is quasi-exponential so the future gap will increasingly grow going forward, it did take that long.
Americans have been moving to the coasts and south for a long time now. Likely because agriculture and other middle country industries are more efficient, certain industries no longer need to be concentrated, etc. There have been studies (per my understanding) of the impact of affordable air conditioning.
The most important states in which the new BIG12 has a presence are Texas and Florida, but it doesn't have the flag or #2 in either.
The BIG12 is the clear #4 in a tiered P4. The ACC will deplete down as well, but it will have better non-football aspects than the BIG12. I'm sure each will see itself as the better Tier 2, as it should be.
There are 4 other teams rumored to join Clemson and FSU, Miami Pitt Virginia and V Tech
other than the fact that the Big 12 Commision has said divisions are history, the rest are somewhat interesting.
If by chance FSU & Clemson do join the BIG12, I seriously doubt te BIG12 will stop at only adding 2 ACC programs. I think Louisville, VTech, NCState, Miami would also be pursued, maybe UNC, Duke, GTech, or Syracuse. Ultimately Brett Y has shown he will be aggressive in adding any quality program that adds value and increases annual payouts to current members.
1. FSU, Clemson
2a Louisville, UNC, Duke, Miami
2b Vtech NCstate
3. GTech, Syracuse
These are the programs that would actually add value to the BIG12 and increase annual payouts. BIG12 will rank them and pursue appropriately. If FSU and Clemson both join the BIG12, I can see BIG12 also adding Louisville, Miami, VTech, & NCState, which makes sense from a market share perspective. Expanding the BIG12 footprint into Virginia, Kentucky, North Carolina, & South Florida.
Even if FSU & Clemson dont join the BIG12, I can still see BIG12 adding 2-4 of the quality ACC programs that seek greener pastures with more future revenues, far more stability, value diversification, and less risks. Not saying BIG12 adds them all, but I dont see a future where the BIG12 doesnt add at least 2-4 ACC programs.
No feasible chain of events that ends with UNC or DUKE in the new BIG12.
Why would even Tier 2 ACC flight risks go to the BIG12?
IF the ACC were to implode as a Big 12 fan, the best I can see is Louisville Virginia Tech, NC State & Miami. 15-20% odds of adding FSU/Clemson aren't good odds.
@@simon2077 In context, the BIG12 has already imploded.
i mean i think since we are doing the east, its time we add more up north
The top 4 playoff seeding screwed all this up. All the conferences saw favoritism towards SEC,BIG10, making national championship games. Clemson had to play somone from either conference in season to prove wothy post season (playoffs) everytime they won a chip.
The girl comparison is more like this. Your married to girl #4 but shes not as pretty as girl #1 or girl #2. So you divorce girl number 4 at great legal cost and paying huge alimony just to marry girl #4's identical twin sister girl #3
This doesnt make any sense... why on earth would the sec not want Clemson or FSU? and dont give me that tired excuse about the sec already has schools in that state, cause miss st / ole miss, vandy / tenn, auburn / bama says hi... It just doesnt make sense.
Clemson and FSU are major powers in the game.
For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC?
All of this consolidation, and eventually these "superconferences" will splinter into divisions, based on regionality. If you win your division, you're in the playoffs. It's almost of if this concept has existed before...
Hey Matt great stuff. I was wondering if you had ever heard of Demetrius Summers. Probably the greatest SC high school running back ever. I think he would make a great video.
He ruined his career by using drugs. He could have been a multi-millionaire. Instead, I think he spent sometime in jail. How do you get thru to someone like that and make him see how he is hurting himself?
@@DaninVirgina-mg7rf yeah he was very special. It would be interesting to hear about his high school career and records, his recruitment. I just think it would make a good video.
Remember, Oregon and Washington were “no longer” talking to the B1G at one time too. Then, outta nowhere, they’re joining.
Imagine coach prime walking into his alma mater to Coach against them
Big 10 🤣 😂 guys mark my word. Big ten won’t be in the top 3 at the end of the year with the 12 team playoff
yo matt pls make a video on Calvin dickey
BIG10 is the most exciting/best conference did you forget we added USC, Oregon, Washington and UCLA with all the other legacy teams we already have in Conference like Michigan and Ohio State yeah we win
Me personally I think Clemson and Florida State are more SEC Caliber teams rather than Big 12.
For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC?
@@tarheel7406it Really makes no sense because FSU & Clemson bring way more Value to The SEC than half the teams in the conference
@@Cameron_0011 One has to think from the SEC perspective and from inside the future closed P2.
I could be wrong but I believe I heard that the sec is very cautious not to bring in any schools that will over step any current schools recruiting base without bringing in their own
Are FSU or Clemson even AAU?
No
I think the Texas schools and the Florida schools should be in the same conference with Oklahoma State. Texas, Florida and Oklahoma have been football hotbeds aince forever.
Gonna be left with 4 conferences at the end..
Big ten
Sec
Big 12
Acc leftovers + pac 2 plus the remaining elite group of 5 .
Matt to have the platform you have it make no sense for you to sit here spread lies you have no idea what Florida state is doing because no one does and the acc pay more then the big 12 y would they step down that’s dum
Why would Florida State and Clemson want to leave the ACC to join an inferior conference?
First off, they would never consider joining the Big 12 unless they each receiver a bigger slice of the TV revenue than current Big XII members. This is the problem with their presence in the ACC. FSU and Clemson are tied of being the big brands, but making equal money.
The BIG12 is the "nothing" in an "all or nothing" strategy."
"FSU and Clemson are tied of being the big brands, but making equal money."
Then they have nowhere to go. but indy. What conference wants to add members that will complain about being a carrier? What conference wants to add members that will be carried?
They have to go somewhere as the ACC will soon be a mid-major at best if even still exists at all.
The BIG12 is already mid in this context.
Yes as a Clemson fan I would like to be in the SEC instead of the big 12
Then be patient, don't panic.
Man CFB just needs to get rid of conferences at this point!! Just play a round robin regional game!!
I saw a different one with 24 schools in the Big 12 in a 12 school east & west division, the B1G with 18 and the SEC with 18. (they add Virginia & UNC)
The west coast ACC schools are boned & some of the leftover east coast schools are boned.
Coastal Atlantic IS BC/Duke/Syracuse/WF with some AAC. Coastal Pacific is OSU/WSU/Stanford/Cal & some MWC.
a) No reason for an even larger/wider Tier 2 BIG12.
b) Such a large/wide Tier 2 BIG12 wouldn't have the gravity to remain stable.
Would this be some separate Tier 2 league?
@@tarheel7406 I don't know how it would work. I just saw a tweet (or X?) and it looked wonderful for me, but not so great for a lot of ACC schools.
It only made sense if the B1G doesn't want to add & the SEC wants to add two new states. I did wonder how two - 12 school Big 12 divisions would work. Would it be one power conference? I guess if the old ACC voted to disband the ACC they could have a lot of flexibility. With the B12W with Arizona, ASU, BU, BYU, CU, ISU, KU, KSU, OSU, TCU, TT & Utah being the Big 12 & the B12E instead of staying with that name just be renamed the NEW ACC. It would have Cinc, UH, UCF, WVU, Clemson, FSU, GT, Louisville, Miami, NCSt, Pitt & VT.
The new Coastal Atlantic would have 10 including BC, Duke, Syr, WF, Tulane, SFlorida, E Carolina, Rice, Temple, Memphis and the newly created Coastal Pacific would be OSU, WSU, Colorado State, UNLV, SDSU, SMU, Cal, Stanford, Boise, New Mexico.
I'm not sure how they would do the championship. 3P conferences? 4? Would they try to include the Coastal conferences and have 6 auto bids? Who knows?
It's an interesting idea, if nothing else, it would silence the alignment talk for a couple years. 🙂
@@aCycloneSteve I see no problem with a separate Tier 2 with some minimal centralized governance and a separate playoff. I do see problems with centralized scheduling, sub-divisions. I also see a loss from losing separate branding/culture.
If the ACC "only" lost UVA/UNC to the SEC, why would any remainders not want to then keep the status quo? I keep asking the same question. Why would OKST or KANSAS want to play KSTATE, IOWAST, TCU & BAYLOR less? Why would CLEMSON want to play VATECH, NCSTATE, DUKE & WAKE less?
There will be no peer P3.
Ask yourself, if the BIG12 grew very large with former PAC and ACC so that the risk of them splintering off is high, would IOWAST be included or left behind?
@@tarheel7406 I know if the XII fall apart, I'm screwed.
As to why would Clemson/FSU accept anything but the best? Because at the time, that could be the best option. If the B1G & SEC say "We are not interested in you at this time, maybe later", once they are free to leave, the rest of the ACC schools know their time has come. They will be bailed on by Clemson/FSU/UNC. In that case they can wait and hope to not get screwed or be proactive. When that happens if B1G/SEC still say no they can be a top school in a P2, poach from the AAC or go independent.
@@tarheel7406 PS: I don't think this will happen, less than 5%. But of course if you had asked me 5 years ago if the PAC would break up, the B1G would get USC/UCLA/UW/UO, the ACC would get Stanford/Cal, the XII would get UA/ASU/CU/UU with OSU/WSU swinging in the breeze I would have rated that as way less than 5%.
If you believe this Matt you crazy! Financially, how does the math work?
Big 12 wouldn't be any better than acc , I don't see them going
~75% chance FSU lands in the BIG12.
Notre Dame is also in talk of joining the big 12
that's crazy
If Notre Dame changes conferences they are going to the big 10.
Man if that ever happened, you can definitely market a rivalry series with the other religious based schools like BYU, Baylor, and TCU.
However, I don’t think this would ever happen, at least joining full time. It’s more plausible that ND would have a similar arrangement like they had with the ACC with the big 12 if the ACC no longer exists.
That would represent one hell of a game changer.
ND would have joined the ACC before the current internal stress before joining the BIG12.
How the SEC is shaking up we about to have 3 loss national champions lol
@MattBeGreat do a vid on ole ga Qb Jox cox 😅
Whatever happened to the ACC-Big 12 scheduling alliance idea that was floated as a done deal about two years ago? It will be nice to put the football on the tee and kickoff the new season and put these clickbait rumors to bed.
Hey Matt, I been enjoying your videos for a while. I just wanted to ask if you could make a video on Bobby Bruce, the linebacker who got kicked off Independence CC in Last Chance U, or Perry Wells. Keep up the great videos cause they really make my day
I don't quite believe this. Would be interesting _IF_ it happened. Regardless, I'm just ready for some college football.
Why won’t Clemson just join the SEC
Yo do a video on willie tuitama former Arizona qb
I have listened to you in a long time but you came up on my feed. I have laughing that you think Clemson and FSU are going to the Big12.
Are you going to do a ‘I was wrong’ video when we end up in the B1G or SEC? We will NOT make a lateral move. No way.
FSU may have no choice. How can it stay?
@@tarheel7406 FSU is not staying. CF is radically changing. It’s run by the networks now. We are probably going to the B1G but maybe SEC.
Since you are a Tar Heel, I feel strongly your team is going to leave for a P2 conference too. The networks are consolidating the bigger brands. I hate it but that’s what is happening.
As a clemson fan, I'd rather stay in the acc...not knocking big 12 at all, just no regional rivalry
I hope Clemson does not go. I am a GT fan and would miss the rivalry (though our side has sucked recently). FSU is butt hurt from the playoffs and a child acting out. They were self-serving when they joined the ACC and now that will have them in the Big 12...Big Fish, questionable pond...that may take them to their revenue goal or tie them up in LT debt with private equity with the rest of these "now now now" thinkers
Remember that TX/OK left the BIG12 due to not having the lift to get a Tier 1 deal, few games of higher fan interest (even with lots of regional history), and the effects on recruiting. Given all of that and the BIG12's recent dilutive backfill, FSU and CLEMSON will somehow have the lift, etc?
Do the due diligence and I admittedly have no direct dog in what CLEMSON does, but I suspect FSU is finally seeing its fate and looking for others to help mitigate the damage.
I maintain that the SEC gas agreed to take CLEMSON to secure UNC, but it will have to wait out UNC being able to move. If CLEMSON panics and goes BIG12, that arrangement would be done.
I would fire whoever leaked the info.
FSU Clemson Miami and Louisville will be big for the Big 12 plus Fox Sports 1 been have a TV deal with the Big 12.
FSU and Clemson to the BIG 12 why? The ACC is a better conference.
Not without FSU and Clemson. Who's the next best team, Miami? North Carolina? Those don't compare to Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Arizona, Utah, etc.
@@nathanvandyke9951
It’s not about quality of programs it’s about payouts. ACC has the lowest payout now among power conferences with the B1G currently leading the way and the SEC right there with them. Big 12 would pay FSU and CU more than they make yearly now.
@@jaredslusser959 yeah, that's the other big part of it. Honestly, FSU and Clemson are carrying the ACC, and moving to a conference that is about on par with their old one and is paying more than double is a vrey logical move. Especially since the Big 12 was able to secure that kind of media deal without any big blue programs. Imagine how it would fare with a few like those two.
That doesn't bold well considering the former Big 12 bottom feeder Mizzou has two SEC East division championships and is one of only 3 (Georgia & Alabama) to have three 11 winning seasons in the SEC since the realignment of 2012.
@@nathanvandyke9951 of course they’ve always been the best two teams along with Miami.
I like them in the big 12 a lot more.
It seems fitting
I just dont see it I think FSU will go to the Big ten and Clemson would go to the SEC
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That would doom them to 2nd tier status....its SEC or why even bother, the B12, LMAO!!!!
Never thought you would put an ounce of belief in this BS
Why do they even still call it the Big 12 when there are more than 12 teams in it?
There hasn’t been 12 teams in this conference for years
@@lukerickbeil7696 so why still call it the big 12 then?
I do, I do want Joe to go.
I don't agree that Texas destroyed the Big 12 in 2010 with LHN. That's a different comment for different day. I do think they sealed its fate in 2012 when they could have had FSU/Clemson. But Delo$$ Dodds (Texas AD) had a stiffy trying to get ND to join and ended up getting played. If FSU Clemson joined then, Texas and OU are still in Big 12.
It's my understanding that CLEMSON/FSU then threatening to leave was just a bluff to get their preference for MARYLAND's replacement.
@@tarheel7406Never heard that part but sounds like it could have been the case
@@maceoa9903 To expand, T-Road favored UCONN but the football and former BIGEAST schools were very opposed. CLEMSON/FSU's threat worked, and L'VILLE was the compromise.
Good for them. Better than them trying to join the SEC. We have too many as it is.
The Big 12 isn’t respected either though and they barely make more money than the ACC so why leave the ACC at all.
a) BIG12 pays less
b) How can FSU stay in the ACC?
@@tarheel7406 a) no they don’t I’ve already heard it from multiple reliable sports channels
b) they are already in the ACC right now so of course they could stay in it if they wanted to
@@Makise3
a) BIG12 pays less. Did you see last season's numbers?
b) FSU will eventually be kicked if it doesn't leave.
@@tarheel7406 If that were the case then why would FSU and Clemson be talking with the BIG 12 right now. Also why would the ACC kick out their 2 best teams who have been the only ones in decades to give them both conference championships and national championships. You’re not making any sense dude.
@@Makise3
a) FSU is now poison.
b) I didn't claim that CLEMON would be kicked
Cal and Stanford??