I'm glad it has helped you. There are many things in the video I wish I could have done better so I'm always glad to hear when it has helped someone. Interested to see how your blueberry mead turns out!
Nice. I used the jointer plain for the bee space on the side. Made it a bit higher too, so bees have more working space. Well presented very practical. Thanks
Hey thanks! Too kind. My mom bought it in 1985 and she built many great things using it. She gave it to me a couple of years before she passed and I have enjoyed learning how to use it.
While I'm not a "Safety Sally" I'd like to mention that there probably should have been a feather board or two used on the 2 x 4" side piece dado work? Quick and easy to make and having owned and used my Shopsmith for many years I know that I would be using them - especially on awkward, tall, end grain work.
Yes, you are correct! I have the plastic SS feather board and I should have definitely been using it. I had got the SS from my mom and only had it for a brief time when I made this video. Learned a lot of lessons in the beginning the hard way and luckily I still have all my fingers. I did some stupid and shady things.....
Greetings from East Texas! Just watching this, it looks as if you had done a few processes in a slightly different order, you could have saved yourself a LOT of work, although you would have missed out on making all those wonderful glue sticks! ;) Thanks very much for making this video, and thanks a bunch for the warning about kickback on the tablesaw. I just acquired one, and it's nice to know some of the dangers to watch out for!
Hey, fellow Texan! Yes, I've seen a lot of coulda/shoulda when I go back and watch this. Still using those glue sticks though..probably last me the rest of my life. Table saw kick back is the worst. I hate it. I'm a bandsaw guy when possible. Table saw threw a piece of wood one time (when I was new) and it bounced off my shop walls several times before coming to rest. I didn't like that. lol
hello and thanks for the video! I also made frames and yes, it takes forever... I have a tip for you for making sides : cut the lumber so you have two sides in length , the middle being the top bar. then cut in your jointer the extra wood(the glue sticks) , make the bottom groove, cut them in half, make the top groove and then cut them individually.
If you work off the center of the board you can use the small stack dado for both size cuts ....before you slice them lay them flat on your jointer and take off 3/16 off both sides then slice them.!!! This will save you alot of time and extra work
Nice shop smith! I've never made a frame from scratch but a think alot of those little cuts could be done easier and faster if you would make them on the big board before you release all the parts from the board. Instead of 200 little cuts per cut you could Do 20. Have you made anymore frames? I'd love to hear and possibly see what you've learned. Like: what cuts are most efficient on the board? And what cut has to be made as a individual part? Great video!
Hello, I'm south of Kemp (Tolosa), in southern Kaufman County. My son works in Terrell and I use to. I've seen you on FB also. Think I'm going to get a Nuc this week. Very excited.
Question: Could you not cut the cut away parts from the bottom of the side bars while they are still in the 2x4 mode and then cut the side bars apart after to avoid hand cutting every little cut away part on each one?
was just wondering why you are not using the clamp on your jig to hold the piece in place while you make the cut. is it broken or maybe it does not hold the piece properly. got to be a firmer grip than your hand bro.
@@IceManTX69 first video is awesome! If you ever thought about making another one with the things you have found out since this video it would be very appreciated. I am just starting out with bees and this is awesome thanks and nice shopsmith. What model is that one? Mine is a 510
@@jackbquick123 I need to check. I think it is a 510 as well. It's pretty old. My mom bought it new in 1985 and gave it to me around 2014 when I built my shop. It still works very well.
Great video! I have a process improvement suggestion. If you use your table saw to cut all the bottom tapers on the entire block before you slice them, you will save alot of time and the table saw will remove all the wood. This process will eliminate the cutting and trimming of the tapers. That would save alot of wear on your scroll saw. I'm not trying to criticize just suggest. I'm a systems engineer, so I spend every day trying to remove a few seconds out of a process.
Your ShopSmith ROCKS! - Is the table saw portion always that quiet when you cut? (Motor)... Man o' Man... I shoulda bought one when I had the chance. Very Very nice job on the frames. Seems like I would use the band saw more than the table saw for the bulk of the work... Seems like less waste. Thank you for putting this out here for all of us woodworking beekeepers.... :D
I made my own frames and boxes this last winter because I wanted the challenge. It was very rewarding!Then I made splits last week and had to buy more frames. haha...
My friend, Google Paul sellers chisel sharpening. Buy you a cheap set a chisels and do like he does to sharpen. You can save that last step by using a chisel instead of band saw. Those sticks are also good for foundationless frames as comb starters
Greyghost680 I love Paul sellers! I built my workbench according to his perfect example. This video is several years old and I have learned a lot of tips since then. Thanks for watching!
So my question would be - What cost to purchase that number of frames ready to assemble as opposed to the cost of materials and time even if you had the machinery? Bet this kept you out of the house for a good while. BUT good video and well presented. Thanks.
Hey, I'll be honest, these things are (were, not sure now years later) so cheap from some place like Mann Lake. I did this to see if I could really and honestly I would never do it again as cheap as they are.
These specifications are for a Langstroth hive and that is the dimensions. You do not want any extra open space in the box so the frames need to match the box size. I've seen all types of hives and you can make them smaller.
Where is best place to buy? Also, when first starting what type do you suggest. I ordered hive combo kit from Mann Lake that is coming with frames with Rite-cell. Not really sure what that is, but it comes with kit.Thank you
This is an older post, but a great one but I bought equipment from little bee farm. He is almost local in Gordenville Tx. He seams to be the cheapest I found.
why cant you cut the top and bottom 5/8 inch and when you make the top bar, just simply set the difference then? would save set up time? Since you are making the sides i feel confident that you are making the top bars also? Thanks
muy buen video tu disco para hacer uniones tipo dedo aca en mexico no hay en venta en tu pais lo tendran a la venta y cual es el costo o puedes proporcionar informes de algun almacen donde lo vendan te agradeceria la informacion saludos desde morelia michoacan mexico
you drew arrows to prevent the mistake you made, but when you cut them up, you lost your arrows.( I had to laugh), but like your video and how you show your mistakes. you rock. To make things go faster, why not use a dado blade and cut that 1/8" off, before you rip all the pieces. just run the face sideways on a table saw with a dado installed. it will take a few passes, but will be a lot faster than all that band saw work.
to visualize how, just arrange the final pieces as if you would like to glue them to recreate the original board. And then see which common surface can be cut in one go, before splitting into pieces. I think the cuts shown at 29:32 could be made in one go, before splitting into pieces.
Thank you...........I've searched TH-cam for an hour looking for exactly what your video shows.......thank's.....
I'm glad it has helped you. There are many things in the video I wish I could have done better so I'm always glad to hear when it has helped someone. Interested to see how your blueberry mead turns out!
Nice. I used the jointer plain for the bee space on the side. Made it a bit higher too, so bees have more working space. Well presented very practical. Thanks
Thank you for your contribution!
Great video, very informative; exactly what is needed to make my own frames. This is clear and easy for my old eyes to see what needs to be seen.
Great video. Love your Shop Smith.
Hey thanks! Too kind. My mom bought it in 1985 and she built many great things using it. She gave it to me a couple of years before she passed and I have enjoyed learning how to use it.
great job and great instructions
the best video for making frames. thank you
Amazing tool. Really nice work...
Wow, big difference after new parts on the band saw.
Nice gear for the wood shop. Thanks for the video, I subscibed.
good job and yes its fun to make your own equipment
While I'm not a "Safety Sally" I'd like to mention that there probably should have been a feather board or two used on the 2 x 4" side piece dado work? Quick and easy to make and having owned and used my Shopsmith for many years I know that I would be using them - especially on awkward, tall, end grain work.
Yes, you are correct! I have the plastic SS feather board and I should have definitely been using it. I had got the SS from my mom and only had it for a brief time when I made this video. Learned a lot of lessons in the beginning the hard way and luckily I still have all my fingers. I did some stupid and shady things.....
Nice Glass Piece!
Greetings from East Texas! Just watching this, it looks as if you had done a few processes in a slightly different order, you could have saved yourself a LOT of work, although you would have missed out on making all those wonderful glue sticks! ;) Thanks very much for making this video, and thanks a bunch for the warning about kickback on the tablesaw. I just acquired one, and it's nice to know some of the dangers to watch out for!
Hey, fellow Texan! Yes, I've seen a lot of coulda/shoulda when I go back and watch this. Still using those glue sticks though..probably last me the rest of my life. Table saw kick back is the worst. I hate it. I'm a bandsaw guy when possible. Table saw threw a piece of wood one time (when I was new) and it bounced off my shop walls several times before coming to rest. I didn't like that. lol
Great video ! Thank you.
hello and thanks for the video! I also made frames and yes, it takes forever... I have a tip for you for making sides : cut the lumber so you have two sides in length , the middle being the top bar. then cut in your jointer the extra wood(the glue sticks) , make the bottom groove, cut them in half, make the top groove and then cut them individually.
Tools to make boxes and frames. chop saw, jointer, tablesaw, dido stack and nails and glue.
Like the pipe!
salut. very very good works man. thankyou.
Router works good for the ears set at 1/8 in and a stop block set at your desired length
If you work off the center of the board you can use the small stack dado for both size cuts ....before you slice them lay them flat on your jointer and take off 3/16 off both sides then slice them.!!! This will save you alot of time and extra work
great video keep up the good work
What you smoking out of that glass pipe? lol thanks for sharing great video.
I see someone already talked about it after looking.
@@McKeesBees 420 Glass pipes and power tools......what could go wrong! LOL
When you make the bottom bar you should cut the notches before you rip the boards into strips. Same with the dados on the bottom of the top bars.
Nice shop smith!
I've never made a frame from scratch but a think alot of those little cuts could be done easier and faster if you would make them on the big board before you release all the parts from the board. Instead of 200 little cuts per cut you could Do 20.
Have you made anymore frames?
I'd love to hear and possibly see what you've learned.
Like: what cuts are most efficient on the board?
And what cut has to be made as a individual part?
Great video!
nice to see another beekeeper in the area. I'm in terrell.
Hello, I'm south of Kemp (Tolosa), in southern Kaufman County. My son works in Terrell and I use to. I've seen you on FB also. Think I'm going to get a Nuc this week. Very excited.
+Celie Canada cool, we have "kaufman county beekeepers" and "north texas bee trader" on facebook, both excellent resources for your area.
Yes, thanks, I have joined both. Very helpful.
yes I remember the last name now.
I see there is an association that meets 2nd Tues of month in Canton. Are you member there?
On the tenon jig.
Would it be more stable and safe to clamp the wood to the jig? As you cut it.
suggestion: do all the ears on the bottom pieces for the frame at one time. cut the ears while it is still a board then make your individual pieces.
Question: Could you not cut the cut away parts from the bottom of the side bars while they are still in the 2x4 mode and then cut the side bars apart after to avoid hand cutting every little cut away part on each one?
Most definitely and my mistake has been pointed out many times. 😉
was just wondering why you are not using the clamp on your jig to hold the piece in place while you make the cut. is it broken or maybe it does not hold the piece properly. got to be a firmer grip than your hand bro.
I think it wasn''t holding it firm enough but it's been so long ago I honestly don't remember why I was doing that.
nice bro nice that pipe to lol in the back
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I feel you could make most the cuts on the wood while it's still a board then go through and make the 1/4 inch slices, saving you 300+ cuts...
Aaron Jones I agree! Since I made this video I've noticed several places I could have saved some time possibly.
@@IceManTX69 first video is awesome! If you ever thought about making another one with the things you have found out since this video it would be very appreciated. I am just starting out with bees and this is awesome thanks and nice shopsmith. What model is that one? Mine is a 510
@@jackbquick123 I need to check. I think it is a 510 as well. It's pretty old. My mom bought it new in 1985 and gave it to me around 2014 when I built my shop. It still works very well.
Great video! I have a process improvement suggestion. If you use your table saw to cut all the bottom tapers on the entire block before you slice them, you will save alot of time and the table saw will remove all the wood. This process will eliminate the cutting and trimming of the tapers. That would save alot of wear on your scroll saw. I'm not trying to criticize just suggest. I'm a systems engineer, so I spend every day trying to remove a few seconds out of a process.
Sorry, just realized that is what Hives2Honeyfarm is suggesting.
For the shoulders of the end bars just use your jointer to take the material off.
Seems to be a lot of work and time involved, considering that you can buy them relatively cheap.
Your ShopSmith ROCKS! - Is the table saw portion always that quiet when you cut? (Motor)... Man o' Man... I shoulda bought one when I had the chance. Very Very nice job on the frames. Seems like I would use the band saw more than the table saw for the bulk of the work... Seems like less waste. Thank you for putting this out here for all of us woodworking beekeepers.... :D
Jenn Tek I agree, the bandsaw is my favorite to use. Less scary on the finger losing side. No danger of kickback and much less waste.
Also, I forgot to comment on the sound. No, it isn't that quiet. It's noisy as all heck. I just lowered the volume to save the viewer's ears!
I made my own frames and boxes this last winter because I wanted the challenge. It was very rewarding!Then I made splits last week and had to buy more frames. haha...
Me too! But I bought the unassembled frames so I could still feel like I was woodworking. LOL
+Plain 'Ol Beekeeping in Plano, TX
I found some Amish made frames locally. unassembled for 73 cents.
+blacktalonbased Good price!
Do you have a contact info on the Amish made frames?
My friend, Google Paul sellers chisel sharpening. Buy you a cheap set a chisels and do like he does to sharpen. You can save that last step by using a chisel instead of band saw. Those sticks are also good for foundationless frames as comb starters
Greyghost680 I love Paul sellers! I built my workbench according to his perfect example. This video is several years old and I have learned a lot of tips since then. Thanks for watching!
Nice I dig the pipe
Muito bom parabéns pelo seu trabalho sucesso
So my question would be - What cost to purchase that number of frames ready to assemble as opposed to the cost of materials and time even if you had the machinery? Bet this kept you out of the house for a good while. BUT good video and well presented. Thanks.
Hey, I'll be honest, these things are (were, not sure now years later) so cheap from some place like Mann Lake. I did this to see if I could really and honestly I would never do it again as cheap as they are.
Hey, I am Francisco from Chile , can you tell me where did you buy the Mountain range, I will be really gratefull , thanks for the video
Mountain Range?
Yes, that one
Shouldn’t the angle stop be pushing the wood?
Why is the frame very lengthy?
Instead of 19 inches, like can we make to 12 inches or something smaller?
And wat difference will it make?
These specifications are for a Langstroth hive and that is the dimensions. You do not want any extra open space in the box so the frames need to match the box size. I've seen all types of hives and you can make them smaller.
Where is best place to buy? Also, when first starting what type do you suggest. I ordered hive combo kit from Mann Lake that is coming with frames with Rite-cell. Not really sure what that is, but it comes with kit.Thank you
That should be a good starter kit! I buy from MannLake as well.
Usually if you buy 100, you will get a substantial discount.
This is an older post, but a great one but I bought equipment from little bee farm. He is almost local in Gordenville Tx. He seams to be the cheapest I found.
why cant you cut the top and bottom 5/8 inch and when you make the top bar, just simply set the difference then? would save set up time? Since you are making the sides i feel confident that you are making the top bars also? Thanks
Yes, this would work. In hind sight I see a few areas where I could have saved a few strokes and more time.
I like our channel, I have subscribed.. thanks for the video
that was suppose to be i like your channel,, i subscribed
3/4" 😉
Nice bowl around 27mins, on back table lol
DOH!
@@IceManTX69 As long as its organic.
I always was told not to put anything smaller than my elbow into my ears.
Thanks Sir
Should have made your dado cuts on the 10 inch boards.
Bom dia meu amigo tbm? esse disco de Serra da pra colocar em qualquer serra de bancada?
No, I think it was made special for this machine. They do make them for other machines too.
muy buen video tu disco para hacer uniones tipo dedo aca en mexico no hay en venta en tu pais lo tendran a la venta y cual es el costo o puedes proporcionar informes de algun almacen donde lo vendan te agradeceria la informacion saludos desde morelia michoacan mexico
Busque Dado blade en Amazon o algo similar. El mío es muy viejo y me lo dieron mis padres.
@@IceManTX69 gracias por tu informacion saludos
you drew arrows to prevent the mistake you made, but when you cut them up, you lost your arrows.( I had to laugh), but like your video and how you show your mistakes. you rock.
To make things go faster, why not use a dado blade and cut that 1/8" off, before you rip all the pieces. just run the face sideways on a table saw with a dado installed. it will take a few passes, but will be a lot faster than all that band saw work.
just to be clear, I'm talking about using the dado on the end bars. The underneath portion of the self spacers.
That would have saved me some time! Good Tip!
That's a LOT of work. That's why I buy mine. (That and I don't have a shop)
Shop or no shop, I'm buying from now on!😉
I don't blame ya!!!
+Plain 'Ol Beekeeping in Plano, TX I'm playing with laser cutting frame parts, not sure how well the bees will like the burned edges though.
+Josh Bishop laser cutting is probably way less hassle!
Good on you Josh. Just watching you made me tired.
Ha! Thanks. I won't be making them again any time soon. Lol
Your table is it a Bosch?
No, It is a ShopSmith Mark V
They use soft pine for frames
The part where you cut the side indents, why not stack like 3 or 4 at a time, you would just need a taller stop and backstop.
Good idea!
for the long sides (top & bottom): would it be possible to make some of the end adjustments while you still have the big boards?
+Andrei Ghe That might be possible. But I'm having a hard time visualizing how I Could do it.
to visualize how, just arrange the final pieces as if you would like to glue them to recreate the original board. And then see which common surface can be cut in one go, before splitting into pieces. I think the cuts shown at 29:32 could be made in one go, before splitting into pieces.
+Andrei Ghe that would save some time!
do you sell any frames ?
Dennis T Menace No, I only made enough for me and I doubt I'll do it again. 😉
its a pain , i did it once , im going to buy them from now on !
great video though , i enjoyed it , thanks for the reply !
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ok so you made a few mistakes I wonder if the glass bowl on the bench had anything to do with this, LOL
That was my first time making those (and my last) so there was some ignorance that might have been coupled with brain haze. 😆
Thanks for sharing mistakes and all.
O pqdrao 'langstroth' não existe nos e.u.a. A medida menor é 13,7 e nao 15,875
Man is smart: half pass
Great video and good stuff! Maybe you can swing by my channel too sometime.
Salut
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Please work on your audio can't hear you sorry
It only lasts for the first minute. That’s why I put the warning on. The rest of the video is fine.