Great video Derek and fantastic product. Solves a massive problem in the industry which was highlighted most when we had the Beast from the East. Nice neat finish which the installer can be proud of 👏. This is a huge plus for Gas Safe engineers and a no brainer decision to ensurr compliant protection for the homeowner's boiler when the weather drops. Any professional installer should have this kit in their van without a doubt. Thanks for the demo and sharing the video Derek 👍
What a completely awesome idea!, great products and such a really neat finish What an amazing system!, all installers should be using the Condensate Pro!...
Fantastic video Derek and thanks so much for taking the time to make it. With regards to the BOND & SEAL, this has been the only issue if you look at it as a problem. Our product is not silicone or the same as any other product you can buy from your merchant, it is made to do as the name says 😆... to bond and seal all the joints as this is as important as the insulation to make sure no moisture/water/snow gets inbetween the insulation and pipe, which not only aids freezing but also deteriorates the insulation. Its consistency is to make sure if is fit for purpose, its thicker than silicone and also helps expansion and contraction in different temperatures. I could not put the Bond & Seal in a mastic tube as it started to set after a week because air and moisture was entering the part that you push into the tube. I looked at using a metal tube but again it started to set so the only tube I found I could transport it in was the one we have. I did not want to make the product any thinner or it would not be as good as it is now, I found the tube its in kept it stable. I also wanted to make sure you all have plenty of the product so there is more than enough for a standard install in a tube ... I think you missed saying that a tube comes in the Connection kit so installers would not forget and use something else , like i said its not silicone or like any other products in you merchant as they would fail over time and be hard to maintain. I find its best to cut the end of the nozzle off right down to the end of the threads and it comes out easier. With the rest, as there will be a lot left over, you can cut each corner of the other end and it comes out easier. Wayne has shown a tool you can buy that makes it simple to get out of the tube, or some other advise is to cut the whole top off or put on to a piece of wood and use a little trowel to apply. I spent 18 months finding a product that is right for this job and can be used in all weathers so hope you can see how important this is in the whole complete solution for Installers like you with over 30 years experience. I wanted to make a pain job better, comply and look quality on any customers home.
Condensate Pro I loved the products and I would definitely use it every time I install a boiler with the condensate running outside. Thanks for sending me the products and my wife says it looks so much better than the old one so win win there .
@@tomkatgastraining if you or any one can help with a solution to transporting to Bond and seal would realy welcome any help , would it be better as just on one use tube and have to buy more ( i dont like that idea as want to help and keep what left ) great video and why we sent you the kit as videos like these take lots of time and effort so thank you very much
haha, I'm not surprised my brother retired early from your trade, I love your videos, I can relate so well to your work and the situations you have to work in. I'm retired from a different trade.
@@danielwilliams-pp6wl if you have a cavity wall you need to pass the insulation through both walls if you have solid wall with no cavity you can seal the outside around the insulation.
I can see where this can be used and recommended, but fussy customers don't want more pipes outside. Joining into sink waste ? Would it still need lagging ? Some condensing boiler traps drip others run ?
The only issue I had was the bond and seal. My neighbours condensate pipe was frozen and I used some left over lagging, and bloody hell was it difficult to get the stuff out the tube. It was 0 degrees and started to snow. I put it on the radiator first then in boiling water, and still struggled to get it out. Might try a warmer day next. What was the tool used to get it out the tube?
Derek, I've been looking at the external pipework of a neighbour's condensation boiler, and I'm puzzled. She has a very short (6"/100mm) length of 15mm copper pipe that emerges through the exterior wall, before going back through the wall into the house. The boiler installer said it's the condensation pipe. What I cannot understand is why a ] shape length of 15mm copper pipe would come outside the house before going back inside. It doesn't make sense to have this loop of pipe described as the condensation pipe. Any thoughts on what/why this is, please Derek? Thanks
A condensing pipe should not be copper because it will corrode. It will probably be the safety valve discharge pipe that the installer has turned back to the wall.
@@tomkatgastraining Thank you, you're a star. I'll do some research into that. Although, I must admit, I'm confused as to how it can be a safety valve discharge pipe, as I can’t see why the fitter would route it outside the house (through the wall) then route it vertically 100mm, before going back through the wall and into the building? I'll do some more research. Rick
@@audirsreplicas6556 it correctly installed but the picture doesn’t really give you an indication of the fall because the floor also slopes to the drain
thank you, yes many don't know until you show them the Manufactures instructions, but all so it cant be painted in low temperatures or in humidity higher than 80% RAIN AND SNOW 🥺
Excellent invention, I install these on installations where I can't terminate condensate internally. I've also retro fitted a few to existing installations.
Just had a new boiler installed last week to replace my 20 year old Vaillant.The new boiler is great but the ugly part of the the job is the outside condensate pipe which has to run 4 meters to the drain.It looks awful! I wish I could find someone in the Black Country that could install a Condensate Pro System for me,it looks really good.
@@tomkatgastraining the still picture shows it,assuming the Belcast is level and 10 mill isn’t the minimum fall requirement over that horizontal length
@@tomkatgastraining yes looked at some when a few years ago that was for oil rigs but wanted it black to match most customers waste pipes 👍 glad you wife likes the look of ours and get many sending info say customers like the look and look professional
Although a great idea but a bit of a faff. Extremely overpriced for what has become a very competitive market for boiler installation. I may offer it as an additional extra, but I’m not willing to risk losing an install over it.
Wouldn’t it be better if you discharged the condensate into your sink waste inside the house thereby negating the use if the condensate pro? Seems like a lot of work & expense that isn’t necessary.
Stephen Hall but what if you can’t do that and you have to run the condensate out side like I had to. It would always be better to run the condensate inside but this product has been designed for when this isn’t possible. Thanks for watching cheers
Tomkat Gas Training Understood; a great demonstration and detailed video; I always watch your videos and get a lot from them. Keep up the great work 👍👍
HI steve you would have to insulate and seal all exsternal pipework on the sink waste or any that go to out side to MIs and Bs6798. we found best way would not be to use the sink waste and run a separate 32mm condense. Firstly you don’t know who’s piped the waste; ie. kitchen fitter, and you would be the one the customer calls if there was a problem , Allso it may get blocked with food waste, the falls may not be adequate for the condense etc. All in all would keep them separate and use the correct materials outside. then you can advise the customer this is just for there condensate and to check the end if going in to a drain for signs of ice
Don't some off manufacturers want the insulation thru the wall as well. Always put the 22mm freezing as it came out the wall down to it being a snug fit and outside wall in cold weather must be like having a freezing clamp round the pipe😂😂
on the spacer bar, With the different walls like a stone on / brick / and other plus getting around obstacles without adding more 90 and 45 we found that making a spacer bar and adding to the kit meant installer can use any clip and cut round to length, This is why the connecting also has insulation to long for brick but great for stone so you can be cut down as and when, Tried to think of everything 😁click on the link and see this install as will show you 👍👍 th-cam.com/video/N91qltU8TD8/w-d-xo.html
Love the concept but definitely way over priced. If a customer has serious issues then this product is probably for them, but to include this product in a new install you'd need to notify customer that they'd be a significant increase plus Labour time. Those 45 degree offsets are a great idea but again far from cheap. Hopefully the industry will have other choices as well 👌
Deckers, think this is a good bit of kit and gave been using it a lot but, ....... always the same with the sealant. Always put it in hot water first but doesn't make much difference. I end up cutting the tube below the nozzle and then just about do it. Shame as the product is generally very good!
@@tomkatgastraining don't think of it as lets down 😁 more like the only way they can get the product that as you say good to seal and looks good, if I put it in tubes and advised this will go off in days would help, did not want you / installers to think I was trying to sell more product, always look at everything from installer side
any ideas to get the product diferenty to you please welcome you help , at least we did not just say thin it down as its cheaper and we can allways blame the installer 😂😂 wanted to make sure what lest you can use again to , HELP !!!!! from one installer to another 😄😆
love to have info Brendan of this trace that cost £15 installed to pass on to love to have information Brendan of this trace that cost £15 installed to pass on to other installers, all that I have used in past cost a lot to buy and fit and then many did not work when needed Trace still needs to be insulated MIs and BS6798, The products in BES are not to standards unless you paint twice as not UV and weather protected if not sealed. Condensate Pro is a solution to all issues to help professional installers comply and look quality like the rest of there work. Simple maintained for many years, It's not just a length of lagging that if you have used Class O is a pain to keep in the van / easy to damage/ / fit to looks anything like friendly on customers homes installers, also trace still needs to be insulated MIs and BS6798, the products in BES are not to standards unless you paint twice as not UV protected, If you don't seal correctly they will deteriorate, Condensate Pro is a solution to all issues to help professional installers comply and look quality like the rest of there work, it's not just a length of lagging that if you have used Class O is a pain to keep in the van / easy to damage/ / fit to looks anything like nice on customers homes.
Way to expensive. You can get to regs pipe insulation for £4 per 2 meters. Asked the owner of this product several questions and when they got a bit tricky never heard back fro him.
'Hi install75, I am the owner sending these comments, we have had a look through all our emails and media and can't find any conversations with you, maybe you have used another name? If you could send your questions to us at info@condensatepro.co.uk I will answer them all, or even better put your questions on here and everyone can see them and the answers. Regarding the insulation at £4, you may find its not fit for purpose unless you paint it twice and seal it correctly with the manufacturer's adhesive which can't be done in low temperatures, rain or snow. You may also find that the insulation you mention can easily get damaged and can't be maintained. Yes, Condensate Pro is not as cheap as a lots of installation but when you look at the MI's and BS 6798 Condensate Pro provides a complete solution that can be fitted fast , gives max protection and as you can see with Derek's before and after video, looks quality on a customer's homes
A customer's home is their castle and I am sure we all know customers are very fussy when it comes to what is fitted to their home, and so they should be! Also as professionals, we want to provide the best for our customers, and that is one aim of Condensate Pro Derek, what was the insulation on before as can't be the normal grey stuff as that would not last 7 years 😁 without being painted and even then would have a problem as we have tested it. Condensate Pro is 100% for professionals, it is not a DIY product and will never be marketed as such. Condensate protection is one part of a professionals job, it should be insulated correctly, provide max protection and look good on any home.
Great video Derek and fantastic product. Solves a massive problem in the industry which was highlighted most when we had the Beast from the East. Nice neat finish which the installer can be proud of 👏. This is a huge plus for Gas Safe engineers and a no brainer decision to ensurr compliant protection for the homeowner's boiler when the weather drops. Any professional installer should have this kit in their van without a doubt. Thanks for the demo and sharing the video Derek 👍
thanks adam means a lot that
What a completely awesome idea!, great products and such a really neat finish
What an amazing system!, all installers should be using the Condensate Pro!...
thanks and we have spoken a few time , hope your is dong well and thanks for the support
Condensate Pro I’m a huge fan of your system 👍🏻🔥, it’s so awesome
Great piece of kit! We fit this as standard with all of our boiler installations!
Hi . Have just watched this video . I wanted to ask how much real time it took to install the system . Thx
Fantastic video Derek and thanks so much for taking the time to make it. With regards to the BOND & SEAL, this has been the only issue if you look at it as a problem. Our product is not silicone or the same as any other product you can buy from your merchant, it is made to do as the name says 😆... to bond and seal all the joints as this is as important as the insulation to make sure no moisture/water/snow gets inbetween the insulation and pipe, which not only aids freezing but also deteriorates the insulation. Its consistency is to make sure if is fit for purpose, its thicker than silicone and also helps expansion and contraction in different temperatures. I could not put the Bond & Seal in a mastic tube as it started to set after a week because air and moisture was entering the part that you push into the tube. I looked at using a metal tube but again it started to set so the only tube I found I could transport it in was the one we have. I did not want to make the product any thinner or it would not be as good as it is now, I found the tube its in kept it stable. I also wanted to make sure you all have plenty of the product so there is more than enough for a standard install in a tube ... I think you missed saying that a tube comes in the Connection kit so installers would not forget and use something else , like i said its not silicone or like any other products in you merchant as they would fail over time and be hard to maintain. I find its best to cut the end of the nozzle off right down to the end of the threads and it comes out easier. With the rest, as there will be a lot left over, you can cut each corner of the other end and it comes out easier. Wayne has shown a tool you can buy that makes it simple to get out of the tube, or some other advise is to cut the whole top off or put on to a piece of wood and use a little trowel to apply. I spent 18 months finding a product that is right for this job and can be used in all weathers so hope you can see how important this is in the whole complete solution for Installers like you with over 30 years experience. I wanted to make a pain job better, comply and look quality on any customers home.
Condensate Pro I loved the products and I would definitely use it every time I install a boiler with the condensate running outside. Thanks for sending me the products and my wife says it looks so much better than the old one so win win there .
@@tomkatgastraining if you or any one can help with a solution to transporting to Bond and seal would realy welcome any help , would it be better as just on one use tube and have to buy more ( i dont like that idea as want to help and keep what left ) great video and why we sent you the kit as videos like these take lots of time and effort so thank you very much
haha, I'm not surprised my brother retired early from your trade, I love your videos, I can relate so well to your work and the situations you have to work in. I'm retired from a different trade.
Hi, assume if you have a cavity you pass the insulation through the wall?
@@danielwilliams-pp6wl no cavity
@@tomkatgastraining sorry are you saying if you have no cavity you must pass the insulation through the wall? I have a cavity wall.
@@danielwilliams-pp6wl if you have a cavity wall you need to pass the insulation through both walls if you have solid wall with no cavity you can seal the outside around the insulation.
I can see where this can be used and recommended, but fussy customers don't want more pipes outside.
Joining into sink waste ? Would it still need lagging ? Some condensing boiler traps drip others run ?
The only issue I had was the bond and seal. My neighbours condensate pipe was frozen and I used some left over lagging, and bloody hell was it difficult to get the stuff out the tube. It was 0 degrees and started to snow. I put it on the radiator first then in boiling water, and still struggled to get it out. Might try a warmer day next. What was the tool used to get it out the tube?
Derek, I've been looking at the external pipework of a neighbour's condensation boiler, and I'm puzzled. She has a very short (6"/100mm) length of 15mm copper pipe that emerges through the exterior wall, before going back through the wall into the house. The boiler installer said it's the condensation pipe. What I cannot understand is why a ] shape length of 15mm copper pipe would come outside the house before going back inside. It doesn't make sense to have this loop of pipe described as the condensation pipe. Any thoughts on what/why this is, please Derek? Thanks
A condensing pipe should not be copper because it will corrode. It will probably be the safety valve discharge pipe that the installer has turned back to the wall.
@@tomkatgastraining Thank you, you're a star. I'll do some research into that. Although, I must admit, I'm confused as to how it can be a safety valve discharge pipe, as I can’t see why the fitter would route it outside the house (through the wall) then route it vertically 100mm, before going back through the wall and into the building? I'll do some more research.
Rick
A cool kit. And a even cooler installer.
Your finishing looks on point!
Nice video Derek 👍🏻
Asian Jon. Training.
Does the pipe at the bottom not need to be at an angle of 52cm down every 100cm
The fall for waste pipes is 18 to 90 mm per m so your measurements are a bit out
@@audirsreplicas6556 it correctly installed but the picture doesn’t really give you an indication of the fall because the floor also slopes to the drain
This product will save time and money, bearing in mind normal class O lagging needs to be painted twice to be compliant!
thank you, yes many don't know until you show them the Manufactures instructions, but all so it cant be painted in low temperatures or in humidity higher than 80% RAIN AND SNOW 🥺
Great piece of kit!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Wow... what a great product 👌
Excellent invention, I install these on installations where I can't terminate condensate internally. I've also retro fitted a few to existing installations.
Looks a lot more professional than the step up I’ve done here in New Mexico. Is this available in the states?
Just had a new boiler installed last week to replace my 20 year old Vaillant.The new boiler is great but the ugly part of the the job is the outside condensate pipe which has to run 4 meters to the drain.It looks awful! I wish I could find someone in the Black Country that could install a Condensate Pro System for me,it looks really good.
Thing is if they had priced the extra would they have hit the job 🤷♂️🤷♂️
There was no fall on that condensate pipe it will still freeze lagged or not
There is a fall on the pipe it’s about 10mm throughout the length funny how you can make a judgment like that from a video
@@tomkatgastraining the still picture shows it,assuming the Belcast is level and 10 mill isn’t the minimum fall requirement over that horizontal length
@@philliphillier6848 nothing is level in our house and to help you out the block paving falls towards the grid
Derek what was that insulation on before as amazed it lasted 7 years unprotected
Condensate Pro have no clue it was made for a commercial job we did and the excess fell into my van 🤫
@@tomkatgastraining yes looked at some when a few years ago that was for oil rigs but wanted it black to match most customers waste pipes 👍 glad you wife likes the look of ours and get many sending info say customers like the look and look professional
Looks good and easy to fit
focused on helping quality installers first with products and toold to help on new installers and all the millons that require upgrading
Although a great idea but a bit of a faff. Extremely overpriced for what has become a very competitive market for boiler installation.
I may offer it as an additional extra, but I’m not willing to risk losing an install over it.
Another top video !
Thanks Derek great video
Good honest review, thanks D
Good gear...ive used condensate pro stuff before and its good...time saver...
Great video, very informative. Thanks👍👍👍👍
Wouldn’t it be better if you discharged the condensate into your sink waste inside the house thereby negating the use if the condensate pro? Seems like a lot of work & expense that isn’t necessary.
Stephen Hall but what if you can’t do that and you have to run the condensate out side like I had to. It would always be better to run the condensate inside but this product has been designed for when this isn’t possible. Thanks for watching cheers
Tomkat Gas Training Understood; a great demonstration and detailed video; I always watch your videos and get a lot from them. Keep up the great work 👍👍
HI steve you would have to insulate and seal all exsternal pipework on the sink waste or any that go to out side to MIs and Bs6798. we found best way would not be to use the sink waste and run a separate 32mm condense. Firstly you don’t know who’s piped the waste; ie. kitchen fitter, and you would be the one the customer calls if there was a problem , Allso it may get blocked with food waste, the falls may not be adequate for the condense etc. All in all would keep them separate and use the correct materials outside. then you can advise the customer this is just for there condensate and to check the end if going in to a drain for signs of ice
Love the vids
Notice you have a glow worm, not daft are you!
We have one of these at home, fantastic product and looks much nicer as well which is a bonus!
I love the condensate pro, I had it installed after it being recommended to me and I am really happy with it!
thanks and got the photos from john who installed it , love to see them installed ,
Put the tube in hot water for a bit 👍
HI Derek , we have changed the videos on the website to show where to cut on the tube on the Condensate Bond & Seal condensatepro.co.uk/solutions/
Don't some off manufacturers want the insulation thru the wall as well. Always put the 22mm freezing as it came out the wall down to it being a snug fit and outside wall in cold weather must be like having a freezing clamp round the pipe😂😂
if MIs do advise then easy to take all the way through or use the PS and push insulation upto to in side 👍
👍🤓👍
You can tell the level of thought that has gone into this product. Great to see it in action.
what a load of expensive fafing!
on the spacer bar, With the different walls like a stone on / brick / and other plus getting around obstacles without adding more 90 and 45 we found that making a spacer bar and adding to the kit meant installer can use any clip and cut round to length, This is why the connecting also has insulation to long for brick but great for stone so you can be cut down as and when, Tried to think of everything 😁click on the link and see this install as will show you 👍👍 th-cam.com/video/N91qltU8TD8/w-d-xo.html
Love the concept but definitely way over priced. If a customer has serious issues then this product is probably for them, but to include this product in a new install you'd need to notify customer that they'd be a significant increase plus Labour time. Those 45 degree offsets are a great idea but again far from cheap.
Hopefully the industry will have other choices as well 👌
Deckers, think this is a good bit of kit and gave been using it a lot but, ....... always the same with the sealant. Always put it in hot water first but doesn't make much difference. I end up cutting the tube below the nozzle and then just about do it. Shame as the product is generally very good!
Warren Prescott hi mate it’s the only thing that lets it down for me but when you do get it out of the tube it’s good stuff 👍🏻
Very true. They definitely have to look at it. Other than that it is very good indeed.
@@tomkatgastraining don't think of it as lets down 😁 more like the only way they can get the product that as you say good to seal and looks good, if I put it in tubes and advised this will go off in days would help, did not want you / installers to think I was trying to sell more product, always look at everything from installer side
any ideas to get the product diferenty to you please welcome you help , at least we did not just say thin it down as its cheaper and we can allways blame the installer 😂😂 wanted to make sure what lest you can use again to , HELP !!!!! from one installer to another 😄😆
Or for £15 you could install a heat trace rather than this over priced stuff or get the insulation which meets all the regs for £4 per length from BES
love to have info Brendan of this trace that cost £15 installed to pass on to love to have information Brendan of this trace that cost £15 installed to pass on to other installers, all that I have used in past cost a lot to buy and fit and then many did not work when needed
Trace still needs to be insulated MIs and BS6798,
The products in BES are not to standards unless you paint twice as not UV and weather protected if not sealed.
Condensate Pro is a solution to all issues to help professional installers comply and look quality like the rest of there work.
Simple maintained for many years, It's not just a length of lagging that if you have used Class O is a pain to keep in the van / easy to damage/ / fit to looks anything like friendly on customers homes installers, also trace still needs to be insulated MIs and BS6798, the products in BES are not to standards unless you paint twice as not UV protected, If you don't seal correctly they will deteriorate, Condensate Pro is a solution to all issues to help professional installers comply and look quality like the rest of there work, it's not just a length of lagging that if you have used Class O is a pain to keep in the van / easy to damage/ / fit to looks anything like nice on customers homes.
Way to expensive. You can get to regs pipe insulation for £4 per 2 meters. Asked the owner of this product several questions and when they got a bit tricky never heard back fro him.
'Hi install75, I am the owner sending these comments, we have had a look through all our emails and media and can't find any conversations with you, maybe you have used another name?
If you could send your questions to us at info@condensatepro.co.uk I will answer them all, or even better put your questions on here and everyone can see them and the answers.
Regarding the insulation at £4, you may find its not fit for purpose unless you paint it twice and seal it correctly with the manufacturer's adhesive which can't be done in low temperatures, rain or snow. You may also find that the insulation you mention can easily get damaged and can't be maintained. Yes, Condensate Pro is not as cheap as a lots of installation but when you look at the MI's and BS 6798 Condensate Pro provides a complete solution that can be fitted fast , gives max protection and as you can see with Derek's before and after video, looks quality on a customer's homes
As C if everyone’s going to pay all that for the condensate .
Customers won’t pay for it !!
Ther Old Looked Just AS good. For Half The Cost. It's A DIY kit For None Gas Regesrard Cowboy Builders.
A customer's home is their castle and I am sure we all know customers are very fussy when it comes to what is fitted to their home, and so they should be!
Also as professionals, we want to provide the best for our customers, and that is one aim of Condensate Pro
Derek, what was the insulation on before as can't be the normal grey stuff as that would not last 7 years 😁 without being painted and even then would have a problem as we have tested it.
Condensate Pro is 100% for professionals, it is not a DIY product and will never be marketed as such.
Condensate protection is one part of a professionals job, it should be insulated correctly, provide max protection and look good on any home.