Fred Alan Wolf - Imagining Immortality and Eternal Life?
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- I’d like to live forever. Who wouldn’t? But what would living forever mean? What would we do? Almost every religion offers life after death, in one form or another, as a reward to the just. What are the similarities and differences among these diverse afterlives? What would immortality and eternal life be like or feel like?
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Fred Alan Wolf is an American theoretical physicist specializing in quantum physics and the relationship between physics and consciousness. He is a former physics professor at San Diego State University and the author of a number of books about physics. His book Taking the Quantum Leap: The New Physics for Nonscientists won a 1982 U.S. National Book Award in Science.
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I'm illogically unafraid of death because for a long time I've had a very strong instinctual feeling that we never truly die. Essentially that there is no danger in death and I find my self feeling a bit of anticipation when I think about the prospect of dying. None of this stems from religion because I am not religious. I suspect that the true nature of reality is something wildly different than what we perceive it to be. Nothing is as it seems. Merry Christmas people!
i believe in nature , we are energy ( information) , everything is energy and no one is controling all the things,
nature hapens it self here is no afterlife, only one posibility in newer ending living in many life forms. When
u die u born again but u would by lucky to by born like human, couse i believe nature repeting itself and colecting
information through many living things like solving newer ending variations. So all the living things in nature trying
to become dominant and after that becoming immortal , super smart species to know as mush as we can, and nature is
acepting all the good and bad thing couse the most important thing is progress in information in knowing in creating
and scaling. But yae i agre only in good things progres gives the fastest growing and doing bad destroys the progres.
But why exists good and bad ? I fink cause everything can exist in only one way in balance. If the god exists and he
is super powerful and he created everything then he created good and evil to and that's is realy bad image, so i m
thinking abouth nature cous nature exists on balance and here is no one to blame like a god. Merry Christmas u2 ^^
You're immortal consciousness. The Upanishads in Hinduism address us as children of immortal bliss!
@tac6044
Last year I had an overwhelming, intense, and almost tangible feeling that I would win the lottery. I didn’t.
Lord Krishna says our existence consist of 3 levels gross body 1.Gross body 2.subtle body i.e mind, intellect and ego 3.soul.Now conciousness emarges from soul and mind is the interface between outer world and soul.
'Death' is ego dissolution. Do not fear it, as you experience that every time you sleep, and you don't fear falling asleep, do you?
Whether our consciousness lives forever or it doesn’t, either way we are all part of this universe and always will be. I’m glad my atoms share this physical existence with all of yours and I hope you all have a happy life and holidays.
Lord Krishna says our existence consist of 3 levels 1.gross body 2.subtle body i.e mind, intellect and ego 3.soul.Now conciousness emarges from soul and mind is the interface between outer world and soul.
@Will S Thanks!
@@chayanbosu3293 shut up😂😂😂
Thank you 🙏
Thank you. And I wosh you have a great whatever as well. Albeit day, week, holiday, decade or experience. Onward and upward.
To all who read this have a WONDERFUL HEALTHY life and a Merry Xmas Happy Hanukkuh and Happy new year. R.I.P. to all who have passed.
You mean CHRISTmas.
Fred Alan Wolf is 88, and if this is a recent interview, then I am impressed. I also love the way he thinks, not being afraid to let his vast scientific knowledge inspire his spirituality. Along the lines of what he is saying, I believe that one of the most toxic mantra in western culture is that "we only live once and we'd better make the best of it". The latter part (making the best of the time we have) is actually okay, but not if we believe that we have just one shot, because the FOMO is what causes greed and selfishness, opposite to what we would value if we believed we are continuously returning to the world we create.
its not recent
Christianity says (1) one life. Muslims are basically Christians with a different prophet and an added text. So the vast majority of the world believes in 1 physical life.
Personally I think all religions are just superstitions wrapped in ritual. But, I could possibly be persuaded that our consciousness may be part of a larger universe wide consciousness that may inhabit living things as they are born, hatched or sprouted After the living thing dies then it's consciousness returns to the universe's main flow.
What a bunch of childish b.s. and puerile wishful thinking 😂
Allways loved Wolf's books. Fascinating man. Entertaining here to watch him keep dodging the question.
I feel like I'm emersed in God's love, and that I owe my existence and life entirely to God's love, kindness, mercy and grace.
And I'm thankful for this, and love God for his kindness towards me and towards others and for sustaining this world.
I do not believe I am alone in this universe, but rather I think there are many besides myself that are at least as equally important and significant and worthwhile as I am. And I believe I am part of and connected to something far greater than myself.
And I think that even as I hope that my own desires, wishes and will may be fruitfully honored and met, I yet seek to harmonize myself with the greater whole, and seek to avoid callously stepping on others' dreams and potential. For I regard their potential to be roughly as important and valid as my own. I realize that I am flawed and very far from perfect, but I desire to become more helpful, more pleasing and more beneficial, and far less clumsy, hurtful and stupid.
Well, at least on my better days. 😁
Cheers,
Merry Christmas,
Love and God Bless
Which God?
@@mrbamfo5000 The kind, loving and merciful one.
I actually think your question is a very good one. It seems to me that there may be various "powers" "out there", in the invisible, intangible world, and that it isn't necessary to worry about which "power" might be "the greatest" or the most powerful, or whether or not that power actually created "man", the world or the universe (or the "multiverse" or whatever).
For me, what is most important is that the mind or power which I draw near to is kind, helpful and benevolent to me, and also to others, as I too would serve, promote and ally and align myself entirely only with a benevolent, compassionate and loving God.
Cheers and God bless
@@tommackling The god that allows civilian massacres in the Ukraine and child slavery in India, Haiti, the Sudan, and other places?
@@samreh6156 I don't think I know. I think that perhaps evil must exist in order for us to recognize and then also reject it. But I also imagine that perhaps life is kind of an exploratory computation of sorts, that precious and most worth while things must be dredged out of chaos and truly nasty and unfit things. But I have also been persuaded of the reality of spirit, and that the physical world we can see and touch is not the whole story. And I believe that perfect and precious things tend, by some
unknown means, to get preserved, that everything is essentially, information, and significant information loss, corresponding to a form of deletion or erasure, does not generally, well I have no idea about the actual statistical numbers of course, occur at the point of biological death, or the decomposition of the physical body, as I believe in "spirit"; that such deletion, while it might be "available to those who desired it" is not the rule, but tends to apply to that which is, well, somehow most incompatble with a future which is kind of partially already specified. Hmm, I don't think I'm communicating very well here, but well, I think there are certain "patterns" that will tend to emerge and become more prevalent and "permanent", seen again and again from age to age, while other "patterns" will simply never reappear. Ok, well I don't think I should try to here explain my understanding of the immortality of the spirit, and anyway, I was mainly just trying to say that I think that things that are truly precious aren't generally lost, and I think what is most precious in a child, for example, most likely comes from a place to which it will also return.
And I think we generally mourn for our own loss, when we grieve at the loss of someone dear to us. Embedded into the physical world, we embrace it, and tend to lose apprehension of the immaterial realms. And to some extent, anyway, such seems entirely appropriate.
I think God is basically incomprehensible, imponderable, unfathomable etc, but can perhaps be usefully thought of as a life force or living intelligence in which we, and our minds, are contained and emmersed.
I don't tend to fancy the "all knowing, all powerfull" "philosophical conceptions", and am willing to suppose that God might be rather inaccessible for us to understand or "commune with", and that we might need to rather "commune with" some entity or agency which can serve as a kind of intermediary for us. And I suppose that perhaps there exist "metaphysical entities" which are more apt to prove harmful for us to encounter, and also other entities which are much more likely to improve our well being, to be significantly beneficial to encounter, interact with, or draw near to. I sought to draw near to the loving, merciful and compassionate powers and forces aligned with love, mercy and compassion, and it seems to me that they showed me love, mercy and compassion, and that I benefitted unimaginably (and in such a way as I believe I could never have deserved or been worthy of) as a result.
What I am saying then, is that I recommend one humbly search out, with one's heart and spirit, seeking aid from such forces and powers aligned with love, mercy and compassion. For it is from such unseen powers that I think one might best succeed at receiving grace and much needed mercy.
When I received such mercy, I still felt that God was intent on my destruction. I have since shifted my own understanding and apprehension towards a loving and merciful God. If my God is not "the ultimate God", that is fine with me, as my primary aspirations are met and satisfied if I can be of service to, and sustained by and loved by that God which rescued me and Who I love in return and for all his gentle kindness. My God is much much grander than I will ever be, and well, if I can be part of his very lucky "entourage", then this will be more than I can possibly hope for. And it does not concern me whether or not there might be other gods, or whether my God is the "ultimate" God. As I said, I suppose it may be that there is a kind of hierarchy of levels of being, and given my own level, where my mind exists and where I do not despise my own physical disposition but would still like to be able to experience and enjoy life within my human body, given that I am such a creature, or perhaps simply given that I am only such as I am, I am entirely satisfied with being "within the fold of" my Lord and God. He is higher, and I am lower, and I am more than happy to serve Him.
Ok, ok, I don't actually mean to go over board here, sounding like a crazy religious nut. I just find it difficult to express things without "falling into" the gushy religious "sing His praises" type words. All I was really trying to communicate there, towards the end, was to try to explain that I'm not that concerned over trying to understand or justify "God's plan" or the nature of the reality in which we seem to find ourselves. (But then I started reflecting on my own feelings, and started communicating them instead.) And that, basically, I don't think I need to be able to or even attempt to understand everything, but it was entirely sufficient for me to discover that there are loving and merciful metaphysical forces out there, and well I think that's probably the main think I'd like to try to communicate to you as far as this conversation is concerned.
All the best (and God bless)
What are the odds that you should be here in this particular moment in all eternity. The answer is infinitely small. Yet here you are. So, perhaps you always are.
If we live forever, I hope the Infinite Being knows how to avoid boredom and insanity! Maybe we are part of that solution...?
I hope there's absolutely nothing after this life, what came before seemed far more tranquil for enduring eternity
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Absolutely agree. I could not imagine the torment of existing forever.
I used to be an antinatalist until I actually applied logic to the philosophy and recognized its based in emotion rather than intelligence.
It wasn’t tranquil. You didn’t exist. There’s no such thing as peace in non existence, because there is no such thing as you. You think of it as peaceful because the only things you can even compare to it are the nothingnesses that coat reality, as in meditation or sleeping.
Think about it this way.
An ocean might have crashing waves on a stormy night one day, it’s chaos and destruction, and then the next it’s completely calm and tranquil. The ocean can be at peace when it’s still. But the ocean can’t be tranquil if the ocean doesn’t exist. You can’t point at an empty ocean and say “the waters so calm today”.
Just the same, peace does not exist in death, or pre birth.
I feel sympathy for you as you’re suffering, but you’re letting your suffering delude you into ignorance, which I cannot get behind. I’ve been there myself, I’ve tried to commit suicide before I’ve suffered so much. But when I allowed myself to start thinking that my depression was a result of true reality, and not an individual experience unique to my perception, it led me to incredibly dark places, not only for myself, but also for how I viewed others and the world around me. And funnily enough, it was only after I really confronted reality and became interested in subjects like quantum physics, psychology and history, etc, after I started really pushing myself to understanding true reality that I became happy. Or at the very least, at ease. Capable of living, and seeing that as a good thing.
Don’t let depression fool you into thinking you know anything about reality. I wish nothing but the best for you in your life
@@ianbeach8516 I think you may have other issues and this thinking helped you.
I would feel great distress if I knew I would exist forever, but I would also know that this is the reality and find ways to deal with it honestly and not make up stories to make myself feel better. But since life after has never ever been proven possible then I am okay with my life and my story ending. Since we love the analogies so much, what is the point or purpose of a story without any ending.
Finally a scientist who talks sense.
What did he say that made you feel better about your beliefs?
@@andrebrown8969 materialism is only a tiny part of reality.
@@albertoesposito2389 Where is your scientific evidence to support this idea?
@@andrebrown8969 everywhere if you bother to do some research.
@@albertoesposito2389 There is nothing credible to support your views. I do notdeal with snakeoil sales people. Same scam, just packaged differently.
Immortality and eternal life - generally these concepts evoke a kind of permanent ease. But apparently that's not going to be the case. For those of us who do want to live forever (as a soul), we end up in an ascension career where we continue to grow and learn, working on becoming more and more perfect (completed) all the time. For billions of years, we traverse the universe of universes, becoming a mighty spirit being. Eventually, we get to go to the Central Isle of Paradise and meet God face to face.
"We believe we are just the material processes of the body." Nicely put! Yes, it's just a belief system. The non-material is real too. Mind and personality are both non-material realities.
The best parodies are the ones where you can't really tell if it is a parody or not.
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“ I have tried to remember what I was born to forget, till the flame was just embers and nothing was left. And I don’t know the meaning, but it means so much more when your reason for being is just either/or” - From my song called “In The Short Hours Of Dawn” on my “Works of Friction” album. This stems from a similar reasoning that, had I died the day I was born, I would have known all I needed to know. It would seem that, once we begin to frame our experience in language, we lose touch with what every cell, every fiber of our being, has a fundamental awareness of. That’s what poetry is for. Indeed, that’s why I write the stuff.
What did you know on the day you were born?
@@REDPUMPERNICKEL Think of it: No choices to make, nothing to reason out. Cells divide. They “know” what to do. Even those things that we commonly consider to be non-sentient adapt in ways that ensure their survival. The rabies virus, for example, will cause its host to froth at the mouth, thereby ensuring the likelihood of transmission from one host to another. There is, I believe, an underlying consciousness beyond what can handily be expressed through normal discourse. It does not lend itself to definition because mere words cannot encompass it. Let’s say you have a thought. Before the thought there is an impulse to think. It comes from that wordless place, that same place that was present the day you were born. It was and always is here, there and everywhere. A wave function, one might say, to correlate the idea with quantum theory as described in this interview. So, at our birth, we knew everything, everywhere, all at once. We were born to forget, as I say, because truth does not necessarily ensure our fitness to survive. We have come to perceive only what is necessary to suit these ends.
@@markpapallo718 You might find this interesting.
What Terrence explains I would if I could.
Terrence Deacon: Origins of Life, Consciousness, Entropy, and Sentience | TOE Podcast
th-cam.com/video/PqZp7MlRC5g/w-d-xo.html
Edit: One of the best explanations ever found in TH-cam.
Lord Krishna says our existence consist of 3 levels 1. gross body 2.subtle body i.e mind, intellect and ego 3.soul .Now conciousness emarges from soul and mind is the interface between outer world and soul.
@@chayanbosu3293 -
Very poetic Chayan but
Lord Me disagrees with Lord Krishna.
Lord Me asserts Lord Me is unitarian
made from an inside and an outside
stitched back to back together.
Lord Me's resultant body makes a mind
under instruction from his culture.
Then Lord Me's mind invents a soul so as
to avoid Lord Me getting lynched
by the hordes of indoctrinated robots
all around him.
Live long and prosper.
🖖
Godlike content 💯absolutely remarkable
I agree with you Fred Alan, the sky is indeed not the limit.
Fascinating how desperately we want to know about the day after. I think, as was mentioned, sort of, that the universe cares more about what one did today. Tomorrow always comes as does the day after, have we added to life, have we stood when standing was required? Stardust and energy never, ever goes away... if we are made of this we never go away and the day after tomorrow can be many different things for many different people. What does energy do, energy that flows like water, to things that block or poison it? Water washes and purifies as does energy, some things in the river get torn to pieces and some end up trout how is each decided? If you interfere with energy or try to make it do things not native to the properties of energy, what happens? Stick your hand across an arch of pure energy and what happens?
Does how we live our lives matter? What is entropy of a human, of human energy? What happens if your day after you find yourself empty because you chose entropy for your life over adding? Are we wildly arrogant to decide we know what's next? We barely understand anything and cannot stop consuming ourselves and our world, but we know what comes after because we think what? The physical world is all that exists,.according to who? Does believing that only the material exists meet some psychological need? Is there a task we are bound with by the universe giving us sentience? A good man who does nothing, is not a good man.
he looks amazing for 90
he ain't almost 90 in this interview. this is from at least 15 years ago
If we say that we "know" something past the physicality of the world, we can't demonstrate it in a physical way. We are locked away from non-physical. Thus any and all notions of the non-physical are plausible: e.g. immortality. However to live one's life immeshed in the non-physical is a lifestyle that many would abhor.
"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:
but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."
Rom. 8 :13
Based on my paranormal/ET experiences I believe that there is an afterlife. There is another reality beyond our normal lives. I know many will not believe me that is only natural to think that way without having had any of these experiences. We are not alone
Immortality and Eternal Life,
is Not created,
therefore, it is Not of physical nature,
and Not possible to sense,
and therefore Not possible to imagining.
We have Never seen our self,
and can't deny our own Existence.
Great video and Merry Christmas to all . As an analogy: a car or spaceship has all the material equipment to make it drive ( vehicle is itself mainly empty space , atoms roughly 99.9999996% ), but the vehicle needs a driver as our human body needs a driver mmm 🤔
Did you watch Artemis go to the moon and back
guided only by its internal electronic mechanism?
It's like the age-old question: does our body have a soul, or does our soul have a body?
Being of animal origin, when we're born, all we have is an animal body. But when we reach the age of reason, we start to make moral decisions which transcend the material body. At this point, according to a divine revelation, we start to build our soul with every good moral decision we make. For some of us, the time comes when the seat of our identity shifts from being body centered, to being spirit centered, and it is a bit of an odd feeling. The body become a vehicle for our soul to use for the duration of the body's lifespan, but it is not "who" we are. We no longer are our body. It's that soul that lives forever, if we pursue complete maturity headed towards perfection.
While I'm no expert on quantum mechanics, and I'm open to it supporting non-material reality in any way possible, I confess I have my doubts as to any actual connection between the supermaterial realities - like life, and anything strictly physical.
I tend to be a part of this way of thinking when it comes to life and the afterlife, BUT my only question is why the next life has to be eternity? or "living forever"? Why cant we die again in our next life? Then die again after that? The universe is forever changing, as is all of life..infinitely.
Firstly, I read Fred’s book, The Spiritual Universe, many years ago, and I thought his reasoning was very convoluted and obviously circular. An obvious case of deciding his hypothesis ahead of time, and selecting facts and arguments to support his preordained conclusions.
Yes, he has a doctorate in theoretical physics, but that does nothing to immunize him against the greatest and most pervasive existential delusion of all mankind; namely that we think and believe that we’re more than our bodies, despite, y’know, a total lack of evidence.
"An obvious case of deciding his hypothesis ahead of time"
Nobody is immune to having to start with a metaphysical primitive that cannot be proven. Yours is obviously the belief that something exists prior to and independent of consciousness despite the fact that consciousness is the only thing that can ever be experienced. And let me guess, you select 'facts' and arguments to support that preordained conclusion?
Eternal can be good or also bad, it is depend on what observer choose to be in act. Our mind condition obviously will determind it, it is beautiful mind or the bad one, act of will that create our future reality. If us did good deed and witnessing happiness then we will have beautiful mind, and has access to join to the realm of happiness. The right tuning. But immersion are dynamic, always evolve, even for what we think as eternal, that why we present as human right now.
Materlism works well to describe 4% of the universe that is physical but it fails to explain the other 96% which is idealistic. We can build lines of evidence and measure the secondary effects enough to call it real but cant directly measure it.
Love for your parent or gravity and numbers these demand answers that only idealism can give us.
If Robert is so interested about what our expanded state of consciousness after 'death' is like, he could just research thousands of NDEs. He could also take a high dose psychedelic to get a little taste.
Reflection is key in a world which contains nearly none. Unfortunately, most of humanity cannot see beyond the physical version of it. Yet the other three mirrors (mental, psychological, spiritual) are of far greater importance to confront.
"Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In Time, all points converge: hope's strength, resteeled. But to earn final peace at the Universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again."
🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
--Diamond Dragons (series)
At the very moment when a cell dies, it there any change in its physical composition? Has anybody done this experiment before? Is there isn't any change, the questions to ask are what actually causes the cell to be alive, what causes it to die?
I had a dream once where I was in a room with 2 beings. One was Human one wasn't. The Human pointed to the other being and said to me.. You can ask one question and one question only.
I said without hesitation....
Will I ever read the book The art of motorcycle maintenance?
The entity bowed his head and said yes.
When I woke up my first thought was to never read that book and I will live forever.
True tale from the Darkseid...
As an atheist - this has got to be one of the most logical arguments I have ever heard for an "unseen" world .... whoa - ok. Never mind. He just took a deep dive off something. Man, I need to start listening to the entire video before making a comment :P
Objective Reality:
Reality is the information delivered to our brain by our five senses. Based upon this information, we can analyze and develop an understanding of the world in which to experience our individual lives.
To be true, there must be supporting observations and logical reasoning to support a belief. Since truth is based upon observation and agreement, it is objective. This argument is based upon the key assumption: The world we are meant to understand is delivered by our senses.
Objective reality is a five dimensional construct. Three spatial dimensions, time and knowledge.
Each individual experiences a unique reality based upon their own life time experiences.
The goal of making this world better for our next life time seems to be a very good objective to strive for.
Our 5 senses are only able to perceive the material realm.
@@albertoesposito2389, therefore, that is the reality in which we constrained to live our lives.
@@JustAThought01 Do you enjoy rambling on about things you don't know enough about to even know that you have no idea what you are talking about?
@@tomjackson7755, yes I do. I hope by expressing my ideas, I will find individuals who have spent time thinking about things that
I have an interest in and learning from their thoughts on the subject. It is an end of life activity, where we try to make sense of a world filled with so many unnecessary problems because of human ignorance.
He gets it
Metaphysics
We are sparks placed here for a brief moment to accumulate light and warmth (love) so that we can be as bright of a star as we can be...shining in heaven (joy, beauty and harmony).
Good (god) knows every star by name.
We accumulate light and warmth (love) by appreciating this paradise planet lifeboat and the miraculous works of fine art called "life" that inhabit it.
If we extinguish our light and warmth (love) with "greed" and its ignorance (hate)...we become the darkness and emptiness that surrounds the stars.
A very cold, dark lonely, desolate place to be...for eternity.
Oh boy this video was soooooo refreshing
I'm glad to say that the idea that we live only once rather than infinite times seems very unlikely to me, however the idea of soul, i.e that consciousnesses is independent to our material body, sadly not only is not supported by evidences, there are strong conflicting evidences for this idea.
When I observe the technology we as humans have created, the one thing that I find interesting is when we entertain ourselves with videos from our smartphones, those videos are not inside the device in our hand. If we were so inclined to stomp on that expensive phone and crack it open, we would not find our favorite cat videos inside it. Could our bodies be the same as our smartphones?
i believe in nature , we are energy ( information) , everything is energy and no one is controling all the things,
nature hapens it self here is no afterlife, only one posibility in newer ending living in many life forms. When
u die u born again but u would by lucky to by born like human, couse i believe nature repeting itself and colecting
information through many living things like solving newer ending variations. So all the living things in nature trying
to become dominant and after that becoming immortal , super smart species to know as mush as we can, and nature is
acepting all the good and bad thing couse the most important thing is progress in information in knowing in creating
and scaling. But yae i agre only in good things progres gives the fastest growing and doing bad destroys the progres.
But why exists good and bad ? I fink cause everything can exist in only one way in balance. If the god exists and he
is super powerful and he created everything then he created good and evil to and that's is realy bad image, so i m
thinking abouth nature cous nature exists on balance and here is no one to blame like a god.
The unavoidable question that must be answered when declaring there is no afterlife is, why is there ANY life at all? The honest response is not negative, but that we don't know, and perhaps cannot know. We won't be part of this reality is a reasonable conclusion. But what exactly is, and why is THIS reality would have to be known as well to make any assumption about what is after, or outside of this reality.
Consciousness is just a part of the universe feeling an electrical activity, so it’s likely we’ve been conscious for a very long time
We are a consequence of what we know not
when what is the ultimate answer.
We are naturally selfish; "What will happen to ME-ME-ME". And it is expected, I guess, to be selfish. But the important thing is not what will happen to this in-di-vi-dual, but to see the good news that Humanity will keep on living.
how does seen physical life link with unseen quantum life?
Your in love with living of course but what about the darkness which we come from we all go back
Pessimism yields self doubt leading to demise..... optimism should yield immortality.... without any.further prosthetic assistance.. . . It's a matter of mind....... but so far everyone has failed..... will someone eventually overcome the obstacles and say I'm gonna live forever...... and do it.......
The older I grow, and if there is God or some transcendental cosmic order, the more unfair it seems to me that we are given no choice whether or not we wish to participate in this life (maybe these lives), whether we want to or not. If someone had asked proto-me, before ever I began such a life "Do you want to try this, or remain, unknowing, asleep, a non-participant?" I might very well have chosen the latter. In what loving scheme of justice are we denied that option?
Lord Krishna says our existence consist of 3 levels1. gross body 2.subtle body i.e mind, intellect and ego 3.soul.Now conciousness emarges from soul and mind is the interface between outer world and soul.
@@realitycheck1231 Of course one thinks of them all - my parents are dead now, but I don't think that my thoughts are much centred on them. It is just that for huge swathes of humanity (me to at times, though I have led a relatively privileged life and don't compare myself to many who are far worse off), life is hard and not particularly fulfilling - I am not at all sure that some of us would accept that lottery ticket were we given a fair choice in the matter.
but how do we know we'll be reborn on earth?
i might become some sentient slime in another galaxy
Eternal life only would have a purpose if that what lives also transforms eternal.
This suggests that eternal life would only be meaningful if the entity experiencing it undergoes constant transformation. In other words, an everlasting existence should be accompanied by continuous change and growth to maintain its purpose and prevent stagnation.
However, even with constant transformation, an eternal life might still lack purpose or become monotonous. As an individual experiences and learns everything there is to know, they might eventually reach a point where new transformations no longer bring about any meaningful change. Additionally, one could argue that the value of life comes from its impermanence and the limited time we have to experience and appreciate it. In this view, eternal life, regardless of transformation, might be seen as a curse rather than a blessing, as it could lead to an endless cycle of experiences without the gravity and urgency that come from the finite nature of life.
@@dominicksebastien2254 true ^^ Thats why i dont believe in Eternal life. Reality will fill in things a bit different probably then this path as we sketch it.
@@blijebij I am certain our point of concern should be here and now because this is the time we certainly have. Future is not our possession no matter what perspective we take. To be mindful of the present moment, to bring compassion and genuine loving kindness, to not bring hurt. That certainly cannot be wrong approach, if there is no afterlife, it leads to meaningful life as we have it, if there is afterlife, it can lead to a pleasant surprise. Who cannot value present moment would certainly have trouble with everlasting life anyway.
And if there is eternity, it's not future anyway, it's contained in every moment, past, present and future.
@@dominicksebastien2254 True, I agree.
I always enjoy a guest who schmokes a big fat doobie before the show to enhance his thoughts.
This is what JUnG termed SYNCHRONICITY
imagine immortality with maximum intelligence
imagine immortality with maximum agony
That''s what we call God, son.
It’s all wishful thinking, not science. We should focus on this gift of life that we have, it will end soon enough…
Just insane
Materialism is about total control. If there is more to life than matter we lose a great deal of control also.
No one in their right mind would want to live forever.
What if the universe is just a matrix of numbers governed by some function that changes them and each change in those numbers represents a conscious experience?
I felt like I've been here before
So there would be an infinite number of outcomes or experiences then right?
De ja vu
@@papaspears5035 if the function does not lead the numbers back to their original values then yes
matrix requires computing computing requires real physical materials and its working in quantum scale so if someone recreate reality with u in it, it means u hawe real conection to physical materials from whom are made compiuter in quantum scale. So if someone realy creates bodey who hawe conection with quantum scale that become real 2 couse i believe conciousnes are fundamental and when bodey are created from energy, from information from consciousness itself that become real whatewer it is it become real but in other quantum level. like multiwerse. So in my minde matrix are just other tipe of universe with diferentces but that dosint change the fact its real cous eit hawe a conection in quantum scale.
I have memory and awareness, but i have no shape or form, as a disembodied spirit, i am dead and yet unborn... As i pass unto Olympus as was told the tales of old... City of imortals marble white and purest gold
I just wanna know where this dude gets his weed from
Don't ask me , I'm only visiting this planet.
Wishful thinking - but I hope you're right.
Fred Alan Wolf provides a creative perspective that I can apply to my personal development.
Entropy says everything is dying and nothing can advance forward or evolve yet here we are in a temporary equilibrium and only biology does this. If your going to play musical chairs of super position and stand relative to the universe then you cant every hope to explain life at all.
This uniquely human-centric, comically optimistic view of "death" is fraught. No small issues: Is there an infinite number of "spirits" lined up just waiting for the next human embryo? What possible process allows for, apparently, all living things to be imbued with some kind of universal knowing that cannot only be shared, but passed along? Does this highly connected life knowledge define itself by a pervasive set of immutable rules, and where did those come from? And what drives this cycle, the basic need for it to continue or die? Does it die, and what does that look like? How different is this from a soul (different label, but looks and smells the same, and we're at an impasse on understanding what that is)? And will we actually all "find out" once we physically die? This construct is no different than why humans have created religions (in the broad sense), spiritual and otherwise.
While it's true that many religious and spiritual beliefs are centered around humans, there are also concepts in various traditions that encompass all living beings or even the universe itself. For example, in Hinduism, the concept of Atman (the inner self or soul) is not limited to humans but extends to all living beings. Similarly, in Buddhism, the idea of rebirth can apply to all sentient beings.
The number of spirits and their allocation to embryos: Some belief systems suggest that the number of spirits is not fixed, but rather a constant cycle of birth, death, and rebirth, known as samsara. In this view, the process of reincarnation or rebirth is not limited to a certain number of spirits, and there isn't necessarily a fixed queue for them.
Universal knowing and interconnectedness: The idea that all living beings have a shared or collective consciousness or wisdom has roots in different spiritual and philosophical traditions. In Hinduism, for instance, the concept of Brahman refers to a universal, all-pervading consciousness that is the basis of all existence. In this view, it's not necessarily a set of fixed rules but rather an underlying, intangible principle that connects everything in existence.
The driving force behind the cycle: Different traditions posit different explanations for why the cycle of life and death continues. For some, it's due to karma, the consequences of one's actions, which must be resolved through multiple lifetimes. For others, it's part of the natural order of existence or the divine plan.
The difference between a soul and the proposed construct: While you equate this proposed construct with the concept of a soul, it's important to note that different traditions and belief systems have distinct interpretations of what a soul is and how it functions. The idea of interconnectedness and shared knowledge may be a unique aspect of this particular construct, which might differentiate it from the traditional concept of a soul.
The visible universe is a manifestation of the invisible universe.
Similarly, our soul Body is the manifestation of our Physical body and our brain is the manifestation of the mind.
The Unseen elements are governed, control and run the visible world.
For example
Did you know that love, time and soul are invisible abstract things that connect the universe?
Love is the bridge of two opposite paths, female and male
Time is the interface of space and matter elements as well
How many of us know that the soul is the link between the physical body (earthly) and the spiritual (heavenly) body?
When love is lost, marriage is destroyed.
When the soul separates from the human body, the human body is destroyed.
If Time exits now, heaven and earth will collapse.
Therefore, love, soul and time are not only the bridge that connects the universe, but also the life that makes the universe exist.
Everything visible is A to Z because it is bound in a time zone .
But the invisible is eternal because it is infinitive.
The Moth cannot touch the flame and remain a moth
Taken on pure faith
Desire does not equal truth. In this episode I don’t think you got closer to truth.
I think this guy has smoked a bit too much of that Australian outback peace pipe
Describe a dream to someone who has never dreamt before.
Hi, materials will not be destroyed, but comeback’s to the earth 🌍, and the energies will be surviving ! another words, all the wealth on earth 🌎 will still exists, but the owners of those wealth will changes, and the energies actions are different, which means they will be transferred to the owners of those wealthy individuals!
I Just want her....pleaseee
Get a glimpse. Fred Alan Wolf is an Igbo man.
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immortality isn't for everyone.
you become immortal to others when you leave something of value behind that is Preserved.
tho that is never permanent
the Individual sense of immortality can come with inverting perceptions of reality to adapt to a new paradigm
there are MANY methods of achieving the goal but not every one of them includes preserving the BODY.
God is pure magnetic emotional energy, you are too but you're in a meat suit right now.
I just hope my next time around is better than this one
Whst did this guy smoke? I need that
Is it only humans who (may) experience eternal life? What about horses and dogs and flies and sparrows and whales? Plants - do they also enjoy eternal life? Mosquitoes, worms?
What do we do to pass the time where we go after death? A hundred thousand years, a million, a trillion .... Might get a bit tedious. Just how do we pass the time?
What is the purpose of this eternal life? What purpose could there possibly be? Are we invisible there? Or do we look the way we did in life? As babies, vigorous thirty year olds? Or fragile sick 85 years olds?
It´s all a fantasy. There is no eternal life. We die and that´s it. We no longer exist, just as we were not there before conception.
If you were born with a disability, do you carry that disability forever? These are the questions I ask religious people or people who believe in immortality.
What you say may well be true. But what Fred Alan Wolf is saying is that there is rebirth as a different being, not eternal life in your current form. Rebirth, that is, until you've exhausted that which causes rebirth to occur. Then, existence ends, no more rebirth.
@Andre Brown - Each time you incarnate here on Earth, you are given a new body that your 'energy' inhabits. Every lifetime is different with a new set of genes from your ancestors that create new experiences to grow and expand, if you so desire.
Upanishad i.e.Vedanta says the ultimate reality is Bramhyan and the nature of this Bramhyan , He is blissfull , He is Joyfull everlasting ecstasy, never ending bliss that's why the goal of Yoga is to union with Him .He is supersoul , we are soul when we meditate about Him we can experience tiny , little but that blissful nature of Him.
@@willp9226 Has this believe been proven to be something factual?
Omg, this is turning into the woo woo channel.
Fascinating talk with a fascinating scientist......Death is not the end but just a transition.....! Fascinating idea....!
Strong proposition that after Life is nill in his guys hipotesy. He doesnt knows nothing about quantum links with Life. If reality knows what are saying he not need cover up his ignorant with suppost possible hipotesy.
bether question is how life is important in the first place ? couse at least few bilion years from the begining space totaly was not posible for any life nowhere , but in quantum stuff and particles somehow links formed, so consciousness exist in small quantum scale or not or erery material creeted by chance or somehow conshousnes is fundamental and its creating it self and testing the best bodeys to become ethernal creator with all possibilities not repeating evoliution in many ways endlesly.
This guy does a great job of dodging the question.
Groan. I hate how much QM is referenced as supposed evidence for supernatural stuff that has nothing at all to do with QM. If you want to ascribe to whatever belief system, fine. But have the honesty and integrity to admit that it’s based on hope and not actual evidence.
Poorly chosen the guest; a real charlatan
For more than three billion years, living beings have been striving to master the conditions imposed by the world of matter, highlighting the human being. Since humans "stumbled" with the scientific method, our ability to manage the world of matter has increased exponentially, so it should not be surprising that one day we will be able to rejuvenate and be able to choose to live, eventually, for an eternity. .
well he is a *theoretical* physicist and per definition it may not in fact be true or exist in that way. 😁
I can guide your immortality thriu text
Give*^
You know what terrifies me? If you don't exist after you're dead how do you know you won't just come back as a fucking chipmunk or something? Lol I mean every living thing doesn't exist at some point and then all of a sudden it does when it's born.
As someone who has been exploring all kinds of questions recently, god or no god, consciousness, is the universe real etc
My first and only real conclusion is if we do not survive death in some form, who cares about these questions, just like global warming if I'm dead after my few short decades life, after I'm gone i couldn't care less, why should i
Global warming is a hoax
i believe in nature , we are energy ( information) , everything is energy and no one is controling all the things,
nature hapens it self here is no afterlife, only one posibility in newer ending living in many life forms. When
u die u born again but u would by lucky to by born like human, couse i believe nature repeting itself and colecting
information through many living things like solving newer ending variations. So all the living things in nature trying
to become dominant and after that becoming immortal , super smart species to know as mush as we can, and nature is
acepting all the good and bad thing couse the most important thing is progress in information in knowing in creating
and scaling. But yae i agre only in good things progres gives the fastest growing and doing bad destroys the progres.
But why exists good and bad ? I fink cause everything can exist in only one way in balance. If the god exists and he
is super powerful and he created everything then he created good and evil to and that's is realy bad image, so i m
thinking abouth nature cous nature exists on balance and here is no one to blame like a god.
A nightmare in the making
' These people tell me..,' So I'm a Leprechaun on Wednesdays. News flash - 'Brainwashed honey ants from the land down under found to have speech impediments cured by the human honey ant spirit.' 😂What a giant leap over the tiny gaps! 🙃🙂. Alan knits his own quantum comfort blanket from sheeples wool. 'One flew over the coocoo's nest.' Taxi for me, Nobel Prize for Alan. What next!?
Sometimes, they are taking the joke too far....
I am the (only) way, the truth and the life. Jesus Christ
Spirit? There’s no definition of spirit here. From a materialistic real life perspective, spirit can be nothing more than a state of mind, a material organ of the human body. Having said that, there is no evidence that spirit is something that can or does exist outside a human brain. Just because one may have a sensation, it’s just a matter of interpretation of sensory perception. And everyone should know that sensory perception is far from perfect. Reincarnation, which seems to be an integral part of this presentation is nothing more than a false extrapolation of faculty sensory perception. For the most part such belief is rooted in the primitive human brain and its ego (if you will). Which itself is cemented in the survival instinct. Most people, having experienced many wonders of life become so attached to those experiences they become fearful of them ending. Not to dissimilar from a child having a favored toy taken from them. Buddhism is mentioned but one thing Buddha taught was freeing oneself from such attachments. And it’s one reason monks live austere lives. And Buddhism didn’t teach reincarnation per se. That’s more of a Hindu belief. Buddha taught self-enlightenment as an end goal. We deny the very evidence before our eyes, that everything has an ending, nothing is permanent even Us. What that should do is awaken people to the fact that what really matters is what good we do in the here and now as long as we’re here.
Funny how uncomfortable the scientist host gets with this kind of talk. He can't allow himself to believe any of it.
Ah yes, the classic "materialism proves lack of metaphysical concepts even though I need to metaphysically presuppose materialism can somehow prove itself (spoiler: It can't!)".
And I assume you believe in an all powerful middle eastern Jewish man who probably smelled like donkey butt as did everyone else in that era?
@@TheRed02151 don't assume too much, you atheists are really bad at that
Was this guy on the secret? In which case I'm calling b*******, LOL
Not all cultures are worthy of respect. Just because the primitives believe in shamans, ghosts and spirits doesn't make them right.
The only thing worse than dying would be living forever.
Oh stop.
I am not quite sure what this was about.
Dude has smoked waaaay too much weed.
Fred Alan Wolf is not a white man. He knows something about the old Gods than he is explaining
"The spirit just entered me" = mental issues. I mean COME ON
This video is just a train wreck.