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In my opinion humans are the most invasive species, we have the ability to completely remove add or create entire environments. In my opinion humans are more invasive.
What I mean to say is that cats are sentient we are sapient. The whole of the earth is our environment. We just don't take care of it. We have not invaded anything
You did a whole video on a silent insect apocalypse but still blame cats? The food web has been absolutely devastated by the e*tinctions of all those insect species. Cats are just convenient scape-goats in NA, SA, Eurasia and Africa.
Normally, when an animal kills too many of its prey animals, there's not enough food to sustain the predator > the number of predators decreases > less predators means more prey > more prey means more predator food, etc. Problem is, cats can just go to their owner's homes and eat their cat food, which completely throws off this natural balance. They could theoretically kill all birds and it wouldn't affect them.
I trained my cat for a walk with leash, now he wakes me up every morning and demanding for a walk. That was my compromise with my cat that I saved from the street.
Thank you for walking your cat. I can't fathom why no one even considers that possibility. Having them indoors their entire life is another form of abuse.
This is what I have been thinking. We've had cats in our family basically all my life. All outdoors cats and free to roam. Now that I think back on it, it makes me shiver to think how many animals they must have killed. The other one of the two latest cats was one especially deadly hunter, he even caught a water vole once, which is basically a cat-sized water rat. I didn't even know such animal existed before the cat brought it in. If I ever get a new cat, I'm going to teach them walk on a leash just like our dog, or if we have our house by then, I will build a super large catio. No more free-roaming outdoors cats.
My oldest cat loves going outside but only goes out on a leash for her and other animals’s safety. The other two want nothing to do with the outdoors except for sitting in windows.
I have a stray cat. He visited me one day and stayed. I thought he was feral. He had a seriously broken rear leg that had healed in a funny position. I thought that was the reason he visited me. I thought he was sick and hurt and came to me for help. I sent him to the vet with the instructions of save the leg if possible or amputate, get him his shots, give him a check up, and neuter him. Unfortunately he needed an amputation. The vet also told me he was already neutered and had also been declawed. I have no intention of finding his previous owner. That cat was lost in the wild with a broken leg and no murder mittens long enough for the leg to heal. I can't imagine how hard it was for him.
100% I had a cat that was obviously abandoned too thst showed up, he wasn't in bad shape like that tho. When I had to move, I decided the guy was comming with. Best choice I've made
Could you just imagine taking on a fight thinking you had weapons only to realize that you didn't, getting your ass kicked and eventually losing your leg. Not even going to make a Deadpool joke here. Good on you for caring.
Like docking tails and clipping ears on dogs. If you don't like how an animal looks or what it does, then you shouldn't own that animal. Mutilating it to your liking is messed up, and we should stop letting people act like it is normal.
im so happy that declawing does count as animal abuse in my country and is very much illegal, the very idea that anyone would do it to their pets just makes me angry. Sure if there is an actual medical reason for it, but then something quite bad must have happened and i doubt its just the claw that needs to be removed.
@@Stirling-Shade Nah, just don't let them outside, period. Install nets in your backyard if you can, or walk them with a lead, otherwise, keep them indoors.
@@RoulicisThe People usually declaw to stop them from destroying furniture and from scratching. I don't think most people realize that it will cause their cats to suffer after it has been done
One thing you didn't really touch on was how much feral/outdoor cats can suffer. If you've ever tried to help feral populations before, you know how many cats dont survive outside, have shortened lives, suffer to various illnesses, etc. Many kitten never make it to adulthood. If you really love cats, help make sure future kitties dont suffer needlessly.
Absolutely correct. Outdoor life is a rough life for cats. And most mammals, humans included, to be frank. True feral cats only live 2-5 years. (EDIT: And suffer through that short life with all kinds of infections and parasites.) Semi-feral (like barn cats) and indoor-outdoor cats, that do get some medical care and feeding, live 5-10 years. Contrast that with Indoor cats expected to live 12-20 years.
We rescued two litters of kittens from an abandoned barn next door over the past year. All were malnourished and had pink eye, ring worm (fungus), and intestinal worms. Never found the mom, and we haven't found any more kittens since.
I got a place out in the forest and over the years, it’s become a haven for stray cats. There is like 30-40 of them. All kinds of animals from deer and wolves to bears, rabbits, wild turkeys, porcupines and beavers used to come around. Now there are ZERO other animals, these forest cats are ruthless.
@@AxxmorbidfloristxxC Are they all fixed? And do you provide shelter and food for them? Cats are incredibly territorial if they feal their resource scarcity. They tend to calm down a lot when spayed/neutered, and being provided with food and maybe even some shelter.
@@mejuliie you cat people are absolutely insane. he just explained how the feral killed all the local wildlife and you response is "are they housed and fed" not a care for any other animals other than your precious cats
@@TuorTheBlessedOfUlmo Not my problem that your thinking and reasoning skills are non-existent. I asked that question, because those things very much influence how destructive cats are. Us "cat people" work on problem solution not sit there an just complain. We understand cats and what needs to be done to enact meaningful change that ultimately solves the issue. An unmanaged colony of 30-40 cats will wreak havoc. If they are TNRd and managed less so. And no, killing them will not help the problem. There will just be new cats that move into the territory and continue to do what these ferals/strays do. TNR keeps the colony stable, and helps to prevent more cats from moving in and reproducing, which makes the problem even worse. But please go on feeling all self-righteous, and complain that I (or "cat people") don't care about other animals. While we work on solutions and you do nothing.
The state of Hawai’i has a massive feral cat problem. They’ve been responsible for the extinction of several bird species there and are subject to culling due to their numbers. Cat ownership is even regulated there.
Hawaiians are phoning it in for feel-good appearances instead of treating the cat-astrophe as a serious emergency. Googling, the first result ... Eight Hawaiian Bird Species to be Declared Officially Extinct
@@darkdragonsoul99 I'm not sure cats have a trillion-dollar industry's lobbying resources behind them. I think people are just emotional and have their reasoning short-circuited because cats are "cute."
@@jekkin8972My neighbor had a Manx that did the same. Tails lived at least 17 years and the rabbits were always scarce. He died early this spring and the rabbit population exploded.
Id like to point out that as a reptile keeper, i cant pick up and help breed wild box turtles or hognose snakes, because they are protected. but someone can let their cat out to take hundreds out of the population single handed and nobody cares or does anything.
i just break the law idk if im a reptile owner to u but birds are technicaly reptiles if you dont beleive me watch clints reptiles vidio on the subject my pet is a 13 year ild cockatiel
I agree and I hate it when people protest against programs to spay feral cats for population control because 'it's cruel'. It's same people who let out domestic cats and leave them in there mercy of cars, coyotes and other dangers because 'it's cruel' to keep them inside. I love cats, I have raised 5 of them, and I know how destructive they are. And they are terrifyingly efficient predators. The only reason we aren't their prey is because we're too big for them.
literally ppl told me its animal cruelty when i told them you shouldnt let ur cats roam free outside, but clearly they dont care about other animals at all, they can always put cats on a leash they can still enjoy outside world , but no they told me they love to see they cats kill stuff?? i love cats but i hate west cat owners they are the worst
It's the same thing with dogs. We have animal shelters for dogs that'll never be adopted and it's literally illegal to eat dog. What he didn't mention about the lion fish and other invasive species is that the government literally pays people to hunt them. That's not the case for dogs or cats. It's utterly stupid.
Here in Australia, many lizards, birds, etc, are dying at record rates to cats. It is a big problem here, but not nearly as bad as it is in NZ. Over there many species have already gone extinct due to even a handful of cats. I get that cats are a problem in north America, but here in Oceania or the Pacific, they are possibly the single greatest danger to many ecosystems, worse than canetoads or lionfish (lionfish are problems in Australia too, they've been tearing the great barrier reef apart). I am no cat person but I don't hate cats. They are cute but I always just have seen them as little murderers, still I do kind of like them. Maybe the cats have developed their own brain washing techniques...
When I was a child we never let out our cats, then my mom started letting them out. Several of them were hit by cars, or neighbors legit stole them when they moved away. Even if you don't care about wildlife, you're gambling your cat's life every time they step outside.
The replies above me seriously show a lack of care about anything real and general. Exceptions prove the rule, false equivalency, and dumb statement, respectively.
In the UK its the norm to let cats free-roam outside, so much so that most big named rescues won't even let you have an "indoor only" cat- I know because I rehomed a cat recently and was declined by multiple shelters for wanting indoor only as they said the cats need "outdoor access", and didn't approve of harness training. Even after I explained we live near a major road (where cats are found dead ALL THE TIME), and that we live near several wildlife preserves, these shelters still insisted on outdoor access. It's crazy to me that this is still the standard when we have such a delicate eco system on this island, and have MANY birds and rodents that are heavily endangered and on the brink of extinction, that are still getting killed by domestic and feral cats.
Wait...pump the brakes...they MANDATE putting a cat outside or at least allowing them out. That's grade A, high purity stupidity. Every outdoor cat I've met lived a shorter life than indoor cats. Do they want to kill them faster...?
The RSPB has stated that cats have minimal impact on bird populations on the UK. Probably because birds in the UK have always has plenty of ground predators. Cats need the space to be cats.
@@Zikar And multiple other organisations have called RSPB out on their statement despite their being plenty of evidence to the contrary. Recent studies show cats killed up to 270 million animals annually, potentially more, and there's been a rapid decline in bird population over recent years. "Cats need the space to be cats"; funny, my grandparents used to say the same thing back when they used to let dogs roam the streets. That was a thing considered safe and normal only a few generations prior.
@@Zikar I replied to this yesterday but youtube ate it, but the short of it was; yes, and rspb have been crticised by other orgs for not taking a stand on this. New research says cats kill around 270mill animals annually in the uk alone, and that number could be far higher. Short of it is, there just hasn't been enough research on this in the UK, but when we look at cats impacts on other islands, I think it's fair to be cautious.
We have a strictly indoor cat that we adopted from the shelter. That said, I remember the story of a single lighthouse cat wiped out an entire species of island bird, by itself. The only time in history that the extinction of an entire species is attributed to a single creature.
And safety, since keeping my cat on a harness helps me keep her out of the mouths of coyotes and away from the local raccoon gang. (Not a joke. They stop by to "visit" her every once in a while, with a window separating them.)
Just started training my cat. So nice to let her have garden time while keeping her safe and the local wildlife safe. Hoping to take her on proper walks eventually alongside our dog. Seems way more fulfilling for all involved, rather than letting her out with 0 supervision and wondering whether she'll return that night or we'll never see her again. I'm from the UK and indoor cats are still seen as a bit 'weird' and people laugh when they see me with my cat on a harness or have her sitting on my shoulder. Was told by one shelter when I was trying to adopt that I should never harness train a cat as it's "unnatural" lol. As if its more natural for a dog on a lead.
@@MostlyPennyCat We may not have as much of a feral cat problem, but there's a study puplished recently that states in the UK alone, cats kill 160 to 270million animals ANNUALLY, and that number could actually be far higher. Add that to the fact that this has got worse since the pandemic (with people getting more pets), and that there's been large drops of bird populations within the UK in the last few years. I live in a rural area where we have multiple endangered bird species, and several endangered rodents (water vole being a big local favourite). I'm not going to potentiially participate in the decline of them when it comes to cat ownership. I also live next to a major road where dead cats are found almost daily. Why would i risk that when I can monitor my cats safety with a harness?
There was a “technical” issue, basically one missing scene in the original. For legal reasons, it never happened and this is the first time it was posted 🙂
I also dont want my cats fighting other cats, getting hit by cars, being killed by coyotes. On top of them killing all the wildlife that i love to see outside my house, they just need to stay inside. Its my responsibility to provide them the stimulation and necessities they require
As a cat guardian, I will always keep my precious little murder monsters inside. Nasty people, lillies, cars, there is untold danger out there to shorten their lives. That's before we even consider the very true facts in the video. Glad to see it back. Anyone who loves their cats should listen and take heed.
My father-in-law lives in rural Montana (not that there's much urban to be had there), but he lets his cats roam free. Between cold, cars, and coyotes I think he loses 3-5 a year! Yet somehow keeping them inside is "too cruel" according to him. 🤷♂️
I adopted a cat who had been previously declawed when I was younger and I swore I'd never do that. She wanted to use the scratching post (for our other cats) all the time. And then I learned they cut off the knuckles - And the RAGE I felt on her behalf....
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@@PoseidonOilRig This is warranted. Cats are great and everyone in the video agrees. However, for their sakes and the sake of the environment, they should be indoors.
there was a famous case of a lighthouse keeper on a pacific island, who had his cat bring him a new species of bird which he sent off to get categorised. they sent several samples until it was declared a new species, only for it to be then declared extinct, thanks to the same cat which brought it to the attention of science. I can't remember the island or the bird species but it's a grim reminder of how efficient cats are at killing.
@@MaekarManastorm No, the bird was called the Stephen Island Wren. It was already in decline but the cat(Tibbles) was the one that sealed the bird’s fate.
@@MaekarManastorm Most stories like that are far from fake. Similar extinctions happen every year to multiple times a year and the truth of them can be more outlandish than any sensationalist headline. It's tragic really.
As someone in the know... I am very surprised USFWS has not fined the shit out of facebook/Meta considering their employees have actively encouraged a feral cat colony to form at their HQ. Their HQ is right next to a protected wetlands IIRC.
Also bugs, I never really understood why New Zealand with its massive conservation push wont restrict cats massively. They breed like crazy, go feral and just kill everything and have no predators here. Even just in backyards they kill so much.
It's pretty privilege. I remember talking about this with a friend who lives there; even as a cat owner, he admitted it's stupid that you can legally allow a cat to free roam in a country with so many vulnerable species, but can't as much as bring in a harmless animal that wouldn't survive in that environment anyways...
Frankly cats should be banned like every other introduced pest. Alas, too many of us are infected by toxoplasmosis to even consider putting the slightest inconvenience on our moggies.
One of my professors in college was an ornithologist. He absolutely despised cats and made no effort to disguise the fact that he did. Said every time he found one on his farm property they were dispatched with extreme prejudice.
While that is definitely literal extreme prejudice, cats do murder billions of birds every year. For a person who studies birds for a living they'd be a threat to his livelihood. There are plenty of less destructive animals that people treat way worse. I know plenty of people who would shoot a groundhog or a raccoon on sight even if they are minding their own business but somehow cats get a pass even if they are actively stalking your yard killing things.
@@kylepessell1350 Not really relevant. There are people who loved those cats and never knew what happened to them. Killing animals just because they are being animals near you is often the sign of a Sociopath. Cats are being themselves, the Ornithologist was being a cruel asshole.
@@kylepessell1350 Yea, no. If you try to justify killing any random animal, you're on the wrong side. The ornithologists that killed those cats is not helping the problem at all. Honestly, that reaction is more aligned with serious personality disorders and behavioral issues. Killing cats does absolutely nothing to help the situation. That's why it's important to not let ornithologists decide the best course of actions, an expert on birds is not the same as an expert on cats.
People want their cats to run free, and they refuse to spay and neuter. And they just choose to ignore that a kitten of 4 months can have kittens of her own - every 2 months after that. One cat can create HUNDREDS of feral cats not just being malnourished, but actively destroying ecosystems as they struggle to live. It's just wild how people defend this.
I dont agree with the only keeping inside, in rural Europe the realy help keep rat population down without traps or poison. But neutering is soo necessary.
Maybe because a free roaming cat is a low maintenance pet. You can go to work and the cat cares for itself. A indoor cat is a high maintenance pet. If you go to work, you should have two cats, because living a cat all by itself causes behavioral problems. Additionally you have to care more about hygiene and cat spaces in your home. A indoor cat just doesn't fit into the lifestyle of many existing cat owners.
@@steffenpanning2776 That's true. But if people are unwillig to care adequately for their animal companions they should get one that doesn't need as much stimulation and enrichment. Also for people who work, an easy solution is adopting two cats instead of one. Leave the adults cats that prefer to be the only cat to people who are able to give more of their time to provide them with companionship. Again, you are correct. But it's up to people to understand that if they cannot provide adequate stimulation and enrichment, without letting their cat(s) free roam, they should be looking to get another animal. The only exception would be in countries that don't have an overpopulation problem, or a problem with cats having outsized negative effects on the environment, is semi-ferals being adopted. Even then there are steps that can be taken to mitigate potential harm to vulnerable species - like spaying/neutering, playing with cat and feeding wet food before they go out, limiting outdoor access during dawn and dusk in spring and summer, providing toys and enrichment items in their outdoor setting, etc. .
@@mejuliie I don't own a cat for that reason. I just think many cat owners will not convert their cats to an indoor pet because it doesn't fit their live-style. The best chances to change something is to get the information out before someone adopts a cat.
I found my cat next to a dumpster trying to find food. I picked her up and the rest is history. We scheduled her for her to get spayed but a guest let her out and she got knocked up. Gave all her kittens but one away, all got spayed and neutered.
Its a form of bestiality, is what it in fact is. Stepping over homeless people to purchase a 5 lb 28.00 bag of grain free kibble, then go shove McDonalds or some other poison down their throats, the animal being elevated even above themselves. Its actually a spiritual malady and a resut of chronic epidemic lonliness, but the bottom line is, the west is out of control w pet worship and human abuse
I live near a nature reserve, and all the apartments around here forbid outdoor cats. Not only would they kill the wildlife, but the wildlife would kill THEM.
Huh, cars are also the natural predator of humans in developed countries, the leading cause of death that's not a disease, in fact. We and your cat have a common enemy. How cool is that?
Fat fish? A lot of betta fish owners do indeed overfeed their fish to fatness. Fatty liver disease is a common problem among domesticated betta fish, and you do hear the occasional story of someone feeding their betta to death, as some of them don't know when to stop eating and just keep eating as long as there is food available.
yea fat fish is pretty common in fish tanks but fat fish in the wild as an invasive species is crazy. i knew the lion fish were bad there but didnt realize they were FAT too lol pretty sure FL has programs where you can go out and kill as many as you want, sort of like their issue with invasive boas too
My cats stay safe from cars and diseases outside on my patio with a mesh, they can feel the wind, play with leaves, but they can't murder that squirrel or that finch. They can occasionnaly eat a fly or a small bug, but that's the xtent of their destructive power in the catio
Another option to consider is reading up on how to introduce your kitty to wearing a harness, not all cats take to it but if they do it provides an option for supervised exploration. This allows you to take them out in a controlled way where you can keep them safe from hazards like cars, cruel and abusive humans, dangerous animals including aggressive cats or dogs, toxic plants or other toxins etc while also keeping other critters safe from kitty. Letting them explore while wearing a harness and a leash can bring in the benefits of outside time while limiting the risks both to your cat and to other animals they might encounter along the way.
I live in the country and constantly have new ferals showing up. The benefit (even in the country), I never have to deal with mice/vermin in my yard. Of course I always have cuddly fur babies nearby. The negative is I spend thousands a year on spay/neutering. If they stay on the property for more than a month, I take them to verify they aren’t chipped, then Vaccinate/TNR… Kids, wife, and myself have brought MANY inside permanently, but 19 cats & 4 dogs (1 foster) inside (large house on 9 acres) means we basically spend $1k a month just on food/litter, and $4-5k annually on the vet. 7 outside now I take care of, although 5 are a mom & newborn litter that is about to get spayed (kittens in 2 months). We spend quite a lot on heated beds & water dishes for the garage & shelter house. It’s a lot of work.
That’s the problem about living in a more rural area. Most of those strays that you have were most likely tossed out of the car it’s sad true. People will drive out to the middle of nowhere and just dump cats and dogs the amount of cats and dogs that me and my parents took in one of which my father actually watched the person throw out the window of a moving vehicle makes you lose faith in humanity.
You're an actual angel. Not everyone has access to the resources that you might and you're using it to absolutely radiate kindness and leave an extremely tangible positive imact on the world and the people and creatures around you. ❤️ I know this part is the bare minimum but I also sincerely appreciate that you dont just shoot them like alot of people do... Seriously good on ya, and you're surrounded by lil fuzzy friends, what's better???
@draelon Stop taking care of every stray animal. You're attracting them to the property by leaving food/water out and you're indirectly contributing to the problem. I understand that it's hard to not help these animals, but what you're doing is NOT helping these animals.
I know right? Those sorts of arguments always frustrate me because first of all, no cat is smart enough to be 100% safe outside, and second of all, they completely ignore the impact on the environment. It's not just about whether your cat will be ok, it's also about whether the environment will be ok.
"my cats smart" face palm lmfao, thats the issue! Bros is a lil navy seal death machine but doesnt inherently know what poisonous plants to not nibble on x3
"But I feed him enough and he's a sweetie!" - grandma's words before her grandson attached a GoPro to the cat and watched it eat an ENTIRE nest of baby birds that same night.
Yeah, just like they need to wake up to all of the other things we do to destroy the planet. They'll never listen, though. People who drive gas cars, own more than 3 cats, over eat/over produce meat, or contribute to plastic in the ocean think they're correct and shouldn't change.
@@aethervvav1658 What people really need to wake up to is how much damage dogs do. We need a video about how dogs are, in fact, magnitudes more disruptive and invasive than cats are. Not just about hunting unnecessarily, noise pollution,the toxic damages their uncleaned waste does, and actually real damage done to human beings. @matthewboire6843 More people cannot accept they are wrong about the substantial damages dogs do. Everyone praises their dog as the best, but if every dog was the best, there wouldn't be barking, or gargantuan turds on the sidewalk, or attacks on EVERYTHING. Cats are perfectly fine pets as long as their kept inside, they aren't "not fine" as you so eloquently worded. Dogs can fully be nuisances without needing to be free-roam. These things need to be talked about instead of a glorified "keep your cats inside" post. We need to address the REAL invasive pets among us, the animal that causes the most issues. Because it is NOT cats, like so many of you believe.
What people need to wake up to is that there is a pet significantly more damaging and detrimental not only to the natural world, but to human society as well. Spoilers, it isn't the animal Kyle felt the need to make a whole video on. It is dogs. People need to wake up to how intrusive dogs are to modern society. Not everybody needs a hunting partner anymore, they no longer have a crucial role in society, they have just become waste spreaders and noise polluters. All the people in this comment section like you, blaming cats, are fully ignoring the horrendous consequences brought upon by the widespread owning of dogs. Training dogs means to remove the "dog" nature in them. The barking, the food greed, the aggression, all dog natures that need to be trained out for dogs to be suitable living with humans. We never tamed wolves, just brought them inside and wrapped them in a blanket. @matthewboire6843 Many, many more people cannot accept they are fully wrong about what they have to say about dogs. Cats are far from "not fine" pets, as you so eloquently put, cats are fine pets as long as they are kept inside. Dogs, however, can still be heard barking from as far as a block away from INSIDE their own home, without the need to be let out and free-roaming. That is not fine. Dogs can still leave gargantuan piles of stinking waste all over the sidewalks without me ever needing to even see them. That is not fine. We're talking about environmental impact, so let me bring up the fact people aren't taking their cats into nature reserves and unleashing them on unsuspecting, protected wildlife. Or if they are, I have yet to see a single article written about it, unlike dogs which have several articles written about protected animals they have caused the deaths of. To cite an example, a PROTECTED Canadian goose was fully mauled to death before the owner could wrangle the animal and flee the scene, taking zero responsibility. Cats also aren't dumping potentially hundreds of pounds a year worth of waste into those protected water systems, for said protected animals to drink from. This video was fully made about the wrong invasive pet. A poorly trained cat kept inside might pee on the couch, scratch your dining table, and meow in the middle of the night. A poorly trained dog kept inside will wake up the entire street, chew up precious things, steal your food, attack any company brave enough to come over, and also pee on your couch. A full six part series of documentaries could be made on the disastrous impact of dogs, but instead Kyle chose to make a glorified "keep your cats inside pls" post. I know this video is about cats, and I am gong to get TONNES of hate from the dog defending crowd, but this stuff NEEDS to be said, its getting extremely out of hand, and clearly Kyle isn't going to say it.
My little floof never goes outside. Im a firm believer in keeping cats indoors not only for there own safety (lost a cat to a car strike when i was little) but also for all the animals that dont want to be stabbed by murder mittens.
I’ve been arguing this for years. Anthropogenic bird deaths are only in the billions per year because of cats. Their impact is particularly notable in isolated environments such as Hawaii.
My girl used to belong to our neighbor who just left her outside, and she killed a healthy number of birds before she got sick and the neighbor just decided they didn't want to deal with it and gave her to us. Now she only goes outside on a harness and she's very happy and healthy. (In fact she's staring at me right now demanding breakfast)
I'm confused at 12:45 why not bring out the fact that you can just bring your cats outside on a leash (like we do with 100's of millions of dogs). Getting the harness on can be quite tricky. Smaller you start it, the better the results (treats always help and doing it inside). And yes, walking a cat is totally different from dogs 99% of the time. You have to assume more of a supervisor role where you decide where the cat can't go and just follow along. Can't speak about all countries, where I live it has worked for over 15 years. If there are unleashed dogs (which is usually illegal) I suggest a "light" tap on their noses with your shoe when they are the problem (I've only kicked one dog pls don't kill me).
I mean, if it's attacking you and/or your pet while their owner is breaking the law, **shrugs** their fault, not yours, and I DO say this as an outright dog person who doesn't want to own cats, but enjoys other people's.
We found an abandoned kitten ten or so years ago and took it in. Since then they show up regularly. There has to be a communication line they have to know to show up at our house. A kitten the size of my hand ran into our yard a few weeks ago and climbed my husband. We take care of them, try to find them homes, end up stuck with them. We now have 4 who have problems so live inside one house, 5 in our other house and 9 outside that we nearly go broke feeding and vetting. We thought if we got them fixed it would eventually slow down, but it has not. They are all so sweet, but for Pete's sake...
"It's like suddenly doubling the amount of sharks in the ocean or tripling the amount of polar bears in the Arctic" Ferb, i know what we are gonna do today.
Keeping your cats indoor-only is also far better for their health and lifespan. Outdoor cats tend to die far younger thanks to all of the hazards they can get into. We keep four indoor cats, and to give them some more space and fresh air and the ability to _watch_ wildlife without being able to hunt them, we built a 4' x 8' "catio" on the back deck they can get at any time they want.
@@himarei So, you’d prefer a ‘YOLO’ approach for cats? An indoor life isn’t a prison; it’s more like a VIP lounge for cats. 🐱 Let’s aim for a long, happy life instead of a short, risky one. It’s called responsible pet care.
Another way people can give their cats outside time is by leash and harness training them and taking them for walks or adventures on a leash. It gives them the opportunity to explore and get the benefits of going outside without the risk of killing wildlife.
It also allows you to guide them safely across roads and way from toxic plants, dangerous trash, cruel people, catnappers, aggressive or sick looking animals, places where they could become trapped etc. There are so many things out there that can and will kill your cat if left to their own devices which is why unsupervised outdoor cats have a significantly reduced life expectancy than indoor cats or those that only go outside with supervision. Having a human there to supervise and guide the cat through the many, many dangers of the human environment is a good thing for kitty as well as for any wildlife kitty might otherwise threaten.
showing this video to my cat so he stops trying to run outside whenever the door opens. he's declawed (front claws removed before we got him), he does NOT belong out there
I don't have any cats, but I do have 2 birds, and my neighbour a few doors down has a cat that he lets roam the apartment building, and etc. One day I decided to pull a box out from under my bed, and this cat just walks out, sort of freaked me out.. giant cat just appears, and then I realize I just got back after going out for about 4 hours, during which time my door was closed, with the cat inside... and my birds aren't caged. I feel kind of lucky, but this never should of happened. I think it snuck in when I had the door cracked a bit for airflow.
@@HicSvntDracones The reason a lot of people end up typing "should of", "would of" and "could of" is because "have" is often contracted to just "'ve", making it all "should've", "could've", and "would've", which makes it sound like "of".
@@HicSvntDracones LOL I learned English in school as a second language and I didn't understand why native speakers made this mistake until I took a Phonetics course at Uni 😀For us, it's always been a contraction of "have". I find it very interesting that both natives and foreigners make mistakes, but different kinds.
Oh! I also really appreciate the note that this is not just an America thing- I've gotten in arguments with people online who insist that cats should only be kept indoors in the US and that it's fine to keep them outside in the UK and Europe, but that never really added up to me, since that's also not cats "native" environment - not that the modern domesticated cat has any true native environment other than - with humans.
@@FemFridge I believe a species is counted as invasive as long as it is not naturally integrated into the environment in some form. Basically aiding the environment as much as it takes from it. If that is not the case, it is probably counted as invasive for as long as this holds true. Just speculation on my part. I'm not a biologist.
@@cooperolm9687 funfact, those domesticated animals were domesticated outside, where they were all the time. cats beeing keps indoors is a modern concept. farmers didnt just keep them for fun for ten thousand years, they were important and extremely efficient pest control. they were literally directly a part of the ecosystem, just living alongside humans
This is why my cat must be on a leash if he wants to go outside. That and a couple of my neighbors let their dogs run wild around the neighborhood and I don't know if those dogs are friendly.
Every single day I see tens of posts on local social media groups about missing/found dead cats. The cognitive dissonance is astounding. Keep them inside!
Because people let them out and don't go looking for them until it's been hours..... When they can't get in they seek shelter elsewhere, and at night they are at a higher risk of being run over. Get a cat flap, keep them indoors at night, otherwise let them be cats.
@RealDeadBird yeah let it out during the day so it can come into my garden to piss & shit on my baby sister's toys. And get diseases from the ferals in the area. And munch on the lilies I plant. Great idea! Putting in the slightest bit of effort to keep YOUR cat safe & contained on YOUR own property is so overrated :)
@@nazzkid23 yeah, because it's a cat, they are meant to be outside animals, they hunt and keep peoples properties free of many pests. The same pests people put out traps for. Animals piss and shit on fucking everything, if you don't want them to be full of it then you should clean up after her everytime she is done playing. I don't know about you but my parents told me to clean up after I played with my toys as a kid. And lilies? Dude, I have deer stomping the fuck out of my backyard, hedgehogs doing whatever they do, birds picking at every fucking berry bush there is, mice trying to live rent free in my apartment, etc, that is nature, this is how it works, and cats are a part of it. Expecting anything else is delusional.
My last cat was my companion for 24 years. So many people I tell this to are astounded, in part because they are used to how short the life of an outdoor cat is. So if you love your feline friend, do yourself and the world a favor and keep them inside.
@@africlips6137 Cats are domesticated. Not wild. But in some cases, yes, to preserve a species it may be best to keep them in zoos until we can repopulate the wild. That's basic conservation.
I'm not convinced though. It's their nature to be outside. To give them only a synthetic and distant view seems cruel in my opinion. It would be like aliens putting humans in a zoo and saying "oh, don't worry, we have Friends on repeat for you."
@@AyrSpeed I get what you’re saying, but there’s more than the cat at stake. Imagine the human in the zoo is a serial killer, and your opinion changes
Thanks for making this (and reuploading it). As much as I love cats, they are incredibly destructive to ecosystems, both feral cats and domestic free roaming cats, and this video is an important PSA as well as educational video. Please keep you kitties indoors folks. And again I'll quickly dive in b4 someone says "but humans cause worse destruction to ecosystem!1!" Yes. One of the ways we do this is by introducing invasive species into different ecosystems. Such as cats. Keep your cat indoors.
Free-ranging cats should *_NEVER_* have remained a thing, period. More than the significant threat they pose to other animals, they pose a significant threat to themselves by meandering into dangerous areas they should never have been in; I literally lost two cats to starvation because they both got stuck inside closed-off basement floors I don't even know how they got into until someone else found them there months later. This third kitty is gonna be staying well inside at home now where I can see her, kthx.
I live in a rural area and have many chickens and food storage. The only way we don't have a ton of rodents is having indoor/outdoor cats. I keep having people online chiding me for letting our cats go outside, but they have a job to do. We have four male cats, all fixed, so they aren't spreading their love around, but they sure as hell do their job and occasionally leave us reminders of their work. Not everyone lives in the city or a suburb. Outdoor cats always have utility to many people. Our cats have also all lived long and happy lives doing cat stuff. Currently our oldest are both 7 - we tend to pick up 2 more male cats every 5 years or so, so that the old ones can teach the young cats the way of things.
@@wysoft get a terrier. cats are bad at pest control honestly bc they don't target only the pests you want gone. terriers are like laser focused little rat killers and much better for your barns health since they don't shit and piss all over it and attract more animals with diseases the way cat "colonies" do. i've lived in rural arkansas, on farms, for over 30 yrs. also 7 is a young cat still. my indoor cats regularly live to 16+. my last old man passed at 19.
Well like he said in the video, that's how they came to us. They roamed around our homes and just decided they didn't want to attack us. Farmers still use free roaming cats to protect their barns like they did 3000 years ago. There was no world it wasn't going to happen as it was what they chose to do naturally and it's inevitable that people became attached to the things that protected their stuff. It's more we need to reduce free roaming cats of today as they are destructive, fast breeders, and pretty good hiders too.
There's also the issue of Toxoplasmosis, which while its effects are understudied in humans I wouldn't be surprised if it makes people at least a little more sympathetic towards cats. Hawaii has had a really hard time convincing people to even just not _feed_ cats, let alone cull them. Its quite the problem to convince people to actually do something about them.
We built a catio so our cats could enjoy a safe outdoor space. They absolutely love going out there, and wait for us to open it each morning. Although with winter coming, they are less happy about the cold weather and stay out for shorter times before coming inside to warm themselves in their heated beds. I can't recommend building a catio enough, did them previously on our balcony when we lived in an apartment. Cats should not be left running around outside, their lifespan is drastically reduced and life much harsher and more dangerous. The lifespan of an outdoor car is less than 3 years. Declawing is monstrous and should not even be allowed. It's animal abuse.
When you say "outdoor cat", is that a cat that lives outdoors or one that lives indoors but can go outdoors whenever they want to? Because I really do not believe that the later only has a lifespan of 3 years. I know that I am misunderstanding somehow but I have have never heard of a cat owner that does not let their cat go indoors. I am so confused.
@@spumbibjorn From what I've read, that's completely feral cats with no human intervention. indoor-outdoor, and free roaming cats cared for by people tend to live about 10 years, compared to about 15-20 for indoor only cats. (at least here in the states)
the past year ive mostly domesticated a feral tom he had a rough life lost an eye had some bad injuries but with some work and time he is now a handsome boy got him clean and all his hair back hes still a little nervous but live a good indoor life now and he likes it
I just love how domestic cats are these perfect little predators with borderline superpowers... And yet we squeeze their cheeks and pick them up and call them little cuties or potatoes.
We domesticated dogs to be our partners and companions. We semi-domesticated cats to hunt small vermin like mice. Contrary to popular belief, cats were never used as ratters, that was a job for dogs and ferrets.
Cats are just doing what cats evolved to do. It’s for this reason that we, as their human stewards, have a responsibility to our furry friends and our native ecologies to keep them inside when we are not supervising them. If possible build them a catio or take them out on leash!
Bingo! n_n They're not villians in any way! With a lot of help from humans they accidentally outgrew their biological niche and its def just our responsibility to keep them from doing harm Catios are so cute and really great for cats mental health, for anyone with the privilege of having that space :3 Something about the villianization of cats when being presented like this makes me really worry about how people who already have biases against cats are going to enact their vigilante forms of "population control"(abuse and pet murder) which is already a really big issue in lots of places.
@@sugarrookieart: I hate that after reading your post, my mind immediately went to trump's racist screed against the Haitian community, especially since the most likely suspects are all prolly native citizens with multiple generations in their respective countries. This truly is the worst and darkest timeline.
growing up rural and on a quasi-farm (had some farm animals, but it was a hobby, we made no $$) it drives me nuts whenever I see free-roaming cats and dogs. "they deserve to be able to explore! it makes them happy!" the native fauna isn't happy! and your cat won't be very happy if it's dead! I'm so tired of seeing cats and dogs that have been flattened by cars. the only cat I will begrudgingly allow outside is a working cat. and there are still other options to suppress rodent problems inherent with livestock. the dog my dad had when I was 5 or so got hit by a car. the dog he had when I was in high school was poisoned. when we had horses there was a neighbor kid who would buy an entire bag of apples and feed it to our 2 horses, no matter how many times we told him not to. one of our horses was prone to foundering and the problem didn't clear up until we moved the horses to an entirely different pasture. my best friend accidentally ran over her own cat one winter morning. when I brought my dads old barn cat inside to retire she was on the edge of death. I expected a few months, a year max before she passed. after 2 heavy rounds of deworming and defleaing I got FIVE more years. if ur not worried about ur native wildlife, worry about ur pet! it's NOT SAFE out there! do not let these animals run free!
And ironically, even as working cats, it's been shown that they're actually not that great at controlling rodent populations, and their presence isn't actually that huge of a deterrent to most rats.
@@Spamhard how good a cat is at being a hunter varies wildly and there's obviously no way to verify that before getting a cat. I've had many cats. our first barn cat was insane and the chipmunks were gone within a week of getting her. we found her stalking moles underground on multiple occasions. we let her have a litter of kittens before getting her fixed. of the 2 kittens we kept, one ONLY wanted to hunt birds (much to my step-mothers chagrin, since he was brought into the house and he managed to kill every finch and canary no matter HOW she tried to keep them safe. still not sure how he got the canary hanging from the middle of the ceiling.) and the other didn't hunt at all. my mom got me my first cat when I was like, 5, and had her declawed (unfortunately) and she still would bring me voles from the attic. my current idiot son watched a mouse run across the floor and didn't even get up to inspect.
@@firesighnavatar3283 But even from the point of a cat that's a 'good' hunter, there was a pretty recent studyy that sshowed cats didn't really kill that many rats, and rats weren't particularly scared of cats, so as pest control in farms and such areas they weren't even hugely effective, which is pretty funny.
@Spamhard the average rat is bigger than most cats would usually want to take on, in my experience. The pests they are going to go after are smaller rodents, usually (and similar sized non-pests). I was agreeing with you that the quality you get is unreliable, and therefore aren't the best option in many cases. If you have a rat problem, you'll want a ratter, specifically, which is probably going to be a kind of dog. Or a mink, if you're the Mink Man.
I actually have. Overfeeding a carp is pretty easy as they'll eat anything they are given. Koi, goldfish, catfish, they can all get fat if you aren't careful.
*People in my neighborhood:* "I love my cat, Fluffy should go outside whenever he feels like it and I don't care what you say." *One of the many wild coyotes eats Fluffy* *Also people in neighborhood:* "Why!!? How could this happen!!?"
@@El_Negro2003 You may believe as you wish, however, reality doesn't agree. There was an upload. It was taken down. This is a reupload. There was a technical gaff.
2:45 😂😂😂 The deepest breath then "Is that too much flavor, am I blowing this?!!" Then cut back to "according to an article..." I legitimately laughed out loud!
There's also a huge number of stray cats in Turkey, probably in the millions. Most Turkish people love stray cats and dogs, so they are allowed to roam the streets and many people even feed them. While this seems wholesome at first glance, I think what they're inadvertently doing is choosing these stray cats and dogs over the native animals. I haven't been to too many places in Turkey, but the biodiversity seems really poor even compared to somewhere like London.
@@OmniversalInsect no they are literally native to the eastern mediterranian, thats where they came from. and they are equally native to other parts of the old world as the humans living there since they moved together. how many thouusands of years does it take for a species to become native to you?
I have a big garden in my backyard. There are craters everywhere, filled with cat poop. I was doing my rounds yesterday, and I noticed a spot with a lot of loose feathers. A cat had captured a mourning dove and ate it. The cats take advantage of my bird feeders for their hunting grounds. I used to have a neighbor that let out her tomcat. He would impregnate the stray females. I've had two female cats come into my garage and have their litters. Their children come back to my yard and decorate my garden with their poo.
I think fundamentally there's going to be a difference in approach in different parts of the world. I'll tell you now, you'll never get rid of outdoor cats in Europe. Indoor only cats are very much the exception, often because the cat has a health condition. People often have smaller homes and therefore the cats are allowed to roam outside to exercise (though a traditional cat flap in the door usually). Walking a cat on a lead would be seen as really wierd, people would ask, if you wanted a pet you could walk, why not get a dog? In some parts of southern Europe, "community cats" which are owned collectively by villages are common, and you should see Istanbul, cat capital of the world probably. And since wildlife has had some chance to adapt over the past 3000 years or so, they're probably less vulnerable than in the Americas and Australasia. So I think it's fair to focus on those areas and don't worry about Europe.
Just because something is perceived as weird, you're going to stop? Some kids used to think waiting for the traffic to stop was cowardly. Until one was hit.
@@Helperbot-2000 He made the argument walking a cat is perceived as weird. I made the point caving to peer pressure is childish. Where is the strawman?
Love them, but sadly yes, they are extremely invasive and VERY destructive to literally anything their size or smaller. Ground nesting birds in my area have literally been COMPLETELY wiped out. I haven't heard Quail or Bobwhite out in the woods since I was 18. Keep. Your cats. INSIDE. Or at least put them in a harness or something unless they stick close to you outside and DON'T let them spend the day or night outside.
Found a very sick amaciated feral last year Took it to a vet for treatment and a few days later was asked if we wanted to adopt, we said yes and took it into our care, after around a month the vets rang to check in with for an update and asked if they could have the cat as there surgery cat unfortunately passed away and all the staff fell in love with her. Safe to say that with all the medication and rreatments the poor tortoiseshell needed it was in the best interest for "gem" as we called her that the surgery took her on and now she is a very happy kitty.
I’ve owned three cats over the years. I kept mine inside. A friend had an odd-eyed white tomcat that loved to kill wildlife. That cat even once had a shot at killing an immature great blue heron. The cat was barely injured and the heron spent a couple weeks in a wildlife hospital - at least it survived.
Crazy cat dude here. As an also a biologist, I agree that cats should be kept indoors. None of mine go outside and they're perfectly content to threaten deer and raccoons through the windows.
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In my opinion humans are the most invasive species, we have the ability to completely remove add or create entire environments. In my opinion humans are more invasive.
Manifest destiny friend. We are driven to expand and conquer.
What I mean to say is that cats are sentient we are sapient. The whole of the earth is our environment. We just don't take care of it. We have not invaded anything
You did a whole video on a silent insect apocalypse but still blame cats? The food web has been absolutely devastated by the e*tinctions of all those insect species. Cats are just convenient scape-goats in NA, SA, Eurasia and Africa.
Yeah, What happened last time? Weird to see a video delisted on your account.
Normally, when an animal kills too many of its prey animals, there's not enough food to sustain the predator > the number of predators decreases > less predators means more prey > more prey means more predator food, etc.
Problem is, cats can just go to their owner's homes and eat their cat food, which completely throws off this natural balance. They could theoretically kill all birds and it wouldn't affect them.
Exactly they just do it out of instinct not for food at that point
My cats dont go after birds anymore since theyve noticed they cant easily eat them. But maybe some cats just like to kill.
My cat is a mouse killing machine... She pretty much destroyed mice infestation in my house
Atleast your cat is useful...got my two specifically for that purpose and they both are afraid of them...smfh.@@goonerOZZ
Its in their instinct because in the wild, surplus killing helps with survival, which they don’t need help with when some human feeds them.
I trained my cat for a walk with leash, now he wakes me up every morning and demanding for a walk. That was my compromise with my cat that I saved from the street.
Thank you for walking your cat. I can't fathom why no one even considers that possibility. Having them indoors their entire life is another form of abuse.
@@WeissM89 Not really, but go off, I guess.
This is what I have been thinking. We've had cats in our family basically all my life. All outdoors cats and free to roam. Now that I think back on it, it makes me shiver to think how many animals they must have killed. The other one of the two latest cats was one especially deadly hunter, he even caught a water vole once, which is basically a cat-sized water rat. I didn't even know such animal existed before the cat brought it in. If I ever get a new cat, I'm going to teach them walk on a leash just like our dog, or if we have our house by then, I will build a super large catio. No more free-roaming outdoors cats.
@@WeissM89 Depends entirely on the cat. Some cats are happily indoors their whole life, even if presented the possibility to go outside.
My oldest cat loves going outside but only goes out on a leash for her and other animals’s safety. The other two want nothing to do with the outdoors except for sitting in windows.
I have a stray cat. He visited me one day and stayed. I thought he was feral. He had a seriously broken rear leg that had healed in a funny position. I thought that was the reason he visited me. I thought he was sick and hurt and came to me for help. I sent him to the vet with the instructions of save the leg if possible or amputate, get him his shots, give him a check up, and neuter him. Unfortunately he needed an amputation. The vet also told me he was already neutered and had also been declawed. I have no intention of finding his previous owner. That cat was lost in the wild with a broken leg and no murder mittens long enough for the leg to heal. I can't imagine how hard it was for him.
Cats are very resilient and tough
100% I had a cat that was obviously abandoned too thst showed up, he wasn't in bad shape like that tho. When I had to move, I decided the guy was comming with. Best choice I've made
Could you just imagine taking on a fight thinking you had weapons only to realize that you didn't, getting your ass kicked and eventually losing your leg. Not even going to make a Deadpool joke here.
Good on you for caring.
@@pudlmaker not even that, imagine you're about to get in a fist fight then you realize you don't have fingers
Declawing is HORRIBLE :(
Declawing also causes them great pain, arthritis, muscle pain and other problems. It’s considered animal cruelty and is illegal in most states.
Definitely agree with his last statement, declawing cats ahould be considered animal abuse.
Like docking tails and clipping ears on dogs. If you don't like how an animal looks or what it does, then you shouldn't own that animal.
Mutilating it to your liking is messed up, and we should stop letting people act like it is normal.
@@Targe0 Declawing is even worse. It's the anatomical equivalent of amputating the last joint of your fingers. That's what cat's claws are really.
im so happy that declawing does count as animal abuse in my country and is very much illegal, the very idea that anyone would do it to their pets just makes me angry. Sure if there is an actual medical reason for it, but then something quite bad must have happened and i doubt its just the claw that needs to be removed.
It is a disgusting practice!
@@Netsuko You do realize that the tail of an animal is part of their skeleton, too. It has bones and all.
So to summarize:
Spay/neuter your pets
Don't let your cats roam outside
Declawing is awful, don't do it
And useless.
Because you know... Cats kill with their fangs, not their claws...
Don't let yer cats outside without supervision. Work on a recall technique incase ye loose them in a bush or something.
@@Stirling-Shade Nah, just don't let them outside, period. Install nets in your backyard if you can, or walk them with a lead, otherwise, keep them indoors.
@@RoulicisThe People usually declaw to stop them from destroying furniture and from scratching. I don't think most people realize that it will cause their cats to suffer after it has been done
My cats growing up were declawed(apartment made us) they still caught birds and mice
One thing you didn't really touch on was how much feral/outdoor cats can suffer. If you've ever tried to help feral populations before, you know how many cats dont survive outside, have shortened lives, suffer to various illnesses, etc. Many kitten never make it to adulthood. If you really love cats, help make sure future kitties dont suffer needlessly.
This is why TNR is so important.
If they were native they would survive outside.
Absolutely correct. Outdoor life is a rough life for cats. And most mammals, humans included, to be frank.
True feral cats only live 2-5 years. (EDIT: And suffer through that short life with all kinds of infections and parasites.)
Semi-feral (like barn cats) and indoor-outdoor cats, that do get some medical care and feeding, live 5-10 years.
Contrast that with Indoor cats expected to live 12-20 years.
We rescued two litters of kittens from an abandoned barn next door over the past year. All were malnourished and had pink eye, ring worm (fungus), and intestinal worms. Never found the mom, and we haven't found any more kittens since.
@@matthewboire6843 Rabbits are native in a lot of places, but their mortality is still pretty high. Same for rats/mice.
I got a place out in the forest and over the years, it’s become a haven for stray cats. There is like 30-40 of them. All kinds of animals from deer and wolves to bears, rabbits, wild turkeys, porcupines and beavers used to come around. Now there are ZERO other animals, these forest cats are ruthless.
@@AxxmorbidfloristxxC Are they all fixed? And do you provide shelter and food for them? Cats are incredibly territorial if they feal their resource scarcity. They tend to calm down a lot when spayed/neutered, and being provided with food and maybe even some shelter.
@@mejuliie you cat people are absolutely insane. he just explained how the feral killed all the local wildlife and you response is "are they housed and fed" not a care for any other animals other than your precious cats
@@TuorTheBlessedOfUlmo Not my problem that your thinking and reasoning skills are non-existent.
I asked that question, because those things very much influence how destructive cats are. Us "cat people" work on problem solution not sit there an just complain. We understand cats and what needs to be done to enact meaningful change that ultimately solves the issue.
An unmanaged colony of 30-40 cats will wreak havoc. If they are TNRd and managed less so.
And no, killing them will not help the problem. There will just be new cats that move into the territory and continue to do what these ferals/strays do.
TNR keeps the colony stable, and helps to prevent more cats from moving in and reproducing, which makes the problem even worse.
But please go on feeling all self-righteous, and complain that I (or "cat people") don't care about other animals. While we work on solutions and you do nothing.
Yeah, cats drove away bears. Are you listening to yourself?
@@ky7299 and ofcourse you have the sign of all stable adults... a cat in your PFP
The state of Hawai’i has a massive feral cat problem. They’ve been responsible for the extinction of several bird species there and are subject to culling due to their numbers. Cat ownership is even regulated there.
Why aren't they banned entirely? I love cats but some ecosystems just cannot deal with them.
Hawaiians are phoning it in for feel-good appearances instead of treating the cat-astrophe as a serious emergency. Googling, the first result ... Eight Hawaiian Bird Species to be Declared Officially Extinct
@@africlips6137 For the same reason we don't ban the other thing destroying just about every ecosystem
@@darkdragonsoul99 I'm not sure cats have a trillion-dollar industry's lobbying resources behind them. I think people are just emotional and have their reasoning short-circuited because cats are "cute."
@@wasd____ Yes the same reason we don't ban humans because we're bias
I'm frankly surprised that there aren't more "My fluffy little baby Mr. Whiskers is always outside and he never kills anything!" comments.
Mines a monsteruous slaughter machine that directly controls our bunny population through near genocidal means. He's ferocious.
@@jekkin8972My neighbor had a Manx that did the same. Tails lived at least 17 years and the rabbits were always scarce. He died early this spring and the rabbit population exploded.
@@katieandkevinsears7724 great name for a cat. I might have to take that name for a future murderous furrball
Maybe because not enough people have shown this to their grandmas
probably because mr. whiskers brings back whatever he killed to the house lol
Id like to point out that as a reptile keeper, i cant pick up and help breed wild box turtles or hognose snakes, because they are protected. but someone can let their cat out to take hundreds out of the population single handed and nobody cares or does anything.
i just break the law idk if im a reptile owner
to u but birds are technicaly reptiles if you dont beleive me watch clints reptiles vidio on the subject my pet is a 13 year ild cockatiel
I agree and I hate it when people protest against programs to spay feral cats for population control because 'it's cruel'. It's same people who let out domestic cats and leave them in there mercy of cars, coyotes and other dangers because 'it's cruel' to keep them inside.
I love cats, I have raised 5 of them, and I know how destructive they are. And they are terrifyingly efficient predators. The only reason we aren't their prey is because we're too big for them.
That's exactly why every cat I've had has been spayed/neutered and kept as indoor only cats. Plus it protects my furbabies from disease and injury.
literally ppl told me its animal cruelty when i told them you shouldnt let ur cats roam free outside, but clearly they dont care about other animals at all, they can always put cats on a leash they can still enjoy outside world , but no they told me they love to see they cats kill stuff?? i love cats but i hate west cat owners they are the worst
It's the same thing with dogs. We have animal shelters for dogs that'll never be adopted and it's literally illegal to eat dog. What he didn't mention about the lion fish and other invasive species is that the government literally pays people to hunt them. That's not the case for dogs or cats. It's utterly stupid.
Here in Australia, many lizards, birds, etc, are dying at record rates to cats. It is a big problem here, but not nearly as bad as it is in NZ. Over there many species have already gone extinct due to even a handful of cats. I get that cats are a problem in north America, but here in Oceania or the Pacific, they are possibly the single greatest danger to many ecosystems, worse than canetoads or lionfish (lionfish are problems in Australia too, they've been tearing the great barrier reef apart).
I am no cat person but I don't hate cats. They are cute but I always just have seen them as little murderers, still I do kind of like them. Maybe the cats have developed their own brain washing techniques...
I’m surprised he didn’t mention Australia. Maybe to avoid the hunting angle. Yeah. Australia is the poster child of unintended consequences
is it true that Australia's government sets out poison bait for them ?
it's what I heard
I mean, there's that guy who accidentally let his Roomba out
The true worst invasive species; feral vacuum cleaners.
@@squessi They normally come with cat as standard.
When I was a child we never let out our cats, then my mom started letting them out. Several of them were hit by cars, or neighbors legit stole them when they moved away. Even if you don't care about wildlife, you're gambling your cat's life every time they step outside.
I let my cat out. He stays in our garden 90 percent of the time. It depends on the cat itself and where you live.
People also gamble with their lives when they step outside. Stay inside. Stay safe.
@@stuartwithers8755 Cats aren't people.
freedom worth dying for
The replies above me seriously show a lack of care about anything real and general. Exceptions prove the rule, false equivalency, and dumb statement, respectively.
In the UK its the norm to let cats free-roam outside, so much so that most big named rescues won't even let you have an "indoor only" cat- I know because I rehomed a cat recently and was declined by multiple shelters for wanting indoor only as they said the cats need "outdoor access", and didn't approve of harness training. Even after I explained we live near a major road (where cats are found dead ALL THE TIME), and that we live near several wildlife preserves, these shelters still insisted on outdoor access.
It's crazy to me that this is still the standard when we have such a delicate eco system on this island, and have MANY birds and rodents that are heavily endangered and on the brink of extinction, that are still getting killed by domestic and feral cats.
Wait...pump the brakes...they MANDATE putting a cat outside or at least allowing them out. That's grade A, high purity stupidity. Every outdoor cat I've met lived a shorter life than indoor cats. Do they want to kill them faster...?
The RSPB has stated that cats have minimal impact on bird populations on the UK. Probably because birds in the UK have always has plenty of ground predators.
Cats need the space to be cats.
@@Zikar And multiple other organisations have called RSPB out on their statement despite their being plenty of evidence to the contrary. Recent studies show cats killed up to 270 million animals annually, potentially more, and there's been a rapid decline in bird population over recent years.
"Cats need the space to be cats"; funny, my grandparents used to say the same thing back when they used to let dogs roam the streets. That was a thing considered safe and normal only a few generations prior.
@@Zikar maybe because most birds are pigeons which even seagulls go after...
@@Zikar I replied to this yesterday but youtube ate it, but the short of it was; yes, and rspb have been crticised by other orgs for not taking a stand on this. New research says cats kill around 270mill animals annually in the uk alone, and that number could be far higher.
Short of it is, there just hasn't been enough research on this in the UK, but when we look at cats impacts on other islands, I think it's fair to be cautious.
We have a strictly indoor cat that we adopted from the shelter.
That said, I remember the story of a single lighthouse cat wiped out an entire species of island bird, by itself. The only time in history that the extinction of an entire species is attributed to a single creature.
Teach your cats to walk on a harness - you can protect the ecosystem while also giving your cat a sense of freedom.
My cat can go on the balcony with his harness on (he never jumps don't worry)
And safety, since keeping my cat on a harness helps me keep her out of the mouths of coyotes and away from the local raccoon gang. (Not a joke. They stop by to "visit" her every once in a while, with a window separating them.)
Just started training my cat. So nice to let her have garden time while keeping her safe and the local wildlife safe. Hoping to take her on proper walks eventually alongside our dog. Seems way more fulfilling for all involved, rather than letting her out with 0 supervision and wondering whether she'll return that night or we'll never see her again.
I'm from the UK and indoor cats are still seen as a bit 'weird' and people laugh when they see me with my cat on a harness or have her sitting on my shoulder. Was told by one shelter when I was trying to adopt that I should never harness train a cat as it's "unnatural" lol. As if its more natural for a dog on a lead.
@@Spamhard
They're less of an invasive species problem in the UK though.
@@MostlyPennyCat We may not have as much of a feral cat problem, but there's a study puplished recently that states in the UK alone, cats kill 160 to 270million animals ANNUALLY, and that number could actually be far higher. Add that to the fact that this has got worse since the pandemic (with people getting more pets), and that there's been large drops of bird populations within the UK in the last few years.
I live in a rural area where we have multiple endangered bird species, and several endangered rodents (water vole being a big local favourite). I'm not going to potentiially participate in the decline of them when it comes to cat ownership. I also live next to a major road where dead cats are found almost daily. Why would i risk that when I can monitor my cats safety with a harness?
04:54 HOW did he not take this opportunity to say "Cat-astrophe"??
No idea
Re-upload incoming
Probably because he was on his CATamaran on his way to CATalina. 🙄
Because cat puns are the laziest of all puns.
@robertc.9503 you're entitled to your opinion, but all puns, including cat-puns, make me felis.
Please don't take it down (again)
Man i was like halfway through when it got unlisted, what had to get changed?
The cat lobby attacks huh
Anyone know why it was delisted or deleted?
@@bushybeardedbear what I'm here wondering myself and yeah likewise was midway when it went poof.
There was a “technical” issue, basically one missing scene in the original. For legal reasons, it never happened and this is the first time it was posted 🙂
I also dont want my cats fighting other cats, getting hit by cars, being killed by coyotes. On top of them killing all the wildlife that i love to see outside my house, they just need to stay inside. Its my responsibility to provide them the stimulation and necessities they require
As a cat guardian, I will always keep my precious little murder monsters inside. Nasty people, lillies, cars, there is untold danger out there to shorten their lives. That's before we even consider the very true facts in the video. Glad to see it back. Anyone who loves their cats should listen and take heed.
A cat doesn’t care if the mouse it killed is just a stuffed toy on a string or real, it just like the chase
My father-in-law lives in rural Montana (not that there's much urban to be had there), but he lets his cats roam free. Between cold, cars, and coyotes I think he loses 3-5 a year! Yet somehow keeping them inside is "too cruel" according to him. 🤷♂️
@@chaosgyro Yeah, at that stage it's just animal abuse. Those poor little beasties...
Lilies?
@@Medabee8 they're poisonous to cats - lots of people have lilies for decoration, especially around Easter time.
I adopted a cat who had been previously declawed when I was younger and I swore I'd never do that. She wanted to use the scratching post (for our other cats) all the time. And then I learned they cut off the knuckles - And the RAGE I felt on her behalf....
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@@PoseidonOilRig It's actually a pro-cat PSA though.
@@PoseidonOilRig This is warranted. Cats are great and everyone in the video agrees. However, for their sakes and the sake of the environment, they should be indoors.
@@kylehill Hi 👋 Adef!
Welcome Adef, great intro
That black monster from ~1:40 should become an every-episode resident of facility :3
there was a famous case of a lighthouse keeper on a pacific island, who had his cat bring him a new species of bird which he sent off to get categorised. they sent several samples until it was declared a new species, only for it to be then declared extinct, thanks to the same cat which brought it to the attention of science.
I can't remember the island or the bird species but it's a grim reminder of how efficient cats are at killing.
So in other words... fake story
Skill issue. Other birds do just fine and need cats to keep their population low.
@@MaekarManastorm No, the bird was called the Stephen Island Wren. It was already in decline but the cat(Tibbles) was the one that sealed the bird’s fate.
@@MaekarManastorm Most stories like that are far from fake. Similar extinctions happen every year to multiple times a year and the truth of them can be more outlandish than any sensationalist headline. It's tragic really.
@kylepessell1350 luckily their are thousands of species of anoying little birds I say let em have at it
As someone in the know... I am very surprised USFWS has not fined the shit out of facebook/Meta considering their employees have actively encouraged a feral cat colony to form at their HQ.
Their HQ is right next to a protected wetlands IIRC.
Also bugs, I never really understood why New Zealand with its massive conservation push wont restrict cats massively. They breed like crazy, go feral and just kill everything and have no predators here. Even just in backyards they kill so much.
Cats don't go feral, they are always like that
It's pretty privilege. I remember talking about this with a friend who lives there; even as a cat owner, he admitted it's stupid that you can legally allow a cat to free roam in a country with so many vulnerable species, but can't as much as bring in a harmless animal that wouldn't survive in that environment anyways...
Same in Australia. We just shouldn’t allow them at all if we’re serious about making a difference
Frankly cats should be banned like every other introduced pest. Alas, too many of us are infected by toxoplasmosis to even consider putting the slightest inconvenience on our moggies.
@@frostyguy1989 true they have the cat mind parasites
One of my professors in college was an ornithologist. He absolutely despised cats and made no effort to disguise the fact that he did. Said every time he found one on his farm property they were dispatched with extreme prejudice.
He should have been prosecuted.
While that is definitely literal extreme prejudice, cats do murder billions of birds every year. For a person who studies birds for a living they'd be a threat to his livelihood. There are plenty of less destructive animals that people treat way worse. I know plenty of people who would shoot a groundhog or a raccoon on sight even if they are minding their own business but somehow cats get a pass even if they are actively stalking your yard killing things.
@@kylepessell1350 Not really relevant. There are people who loved those cats and never knew what happened to them. Killing animals just because they are being animals near you is often the sign of a Sociopath. Cats are being themselves, the Ornithologist was being a cruel asshole.
@@kylepessell1350 Yea, no. If you try to justify killing any random animal, you're on the wrong side. The ornithologists that killed those cats is not helping the problem at all. Honestly, that reaction is more aligned with serious personality disorders and behavioral issues.
Killing cats does absolutely nothing to help the situation. That's why it's important to not let ornithologists decide the best course of actions, an expert on birds is not the same as an expert on cats.
@@mejuliieLmao completely disregarding your biased opinion as you literally have a cat as your pfp
People want their cats to run free, and they refuse to spay and neuter. And they just choose to ignore that a kitten of 4 months can have kittens of her own - every 2 months after that. One cat can create HUNDREDS of feral cats not just being malnourished, but actively destroying ecosystems as they struggle to live. It's just wild how people defend this.
I dont agree with the only keeping inside, in rural Europe the realy help keep rat population down without traps or poison. But neutering is soo necessary.
Maybe because a free roaming cat is a low maintenance pet. You can go to work and the cat cares for itself. A indoor cat is a high maintenance pet. If you go to work, you should have two cats, because living a cat all by itself causes behavioral problems. Additionally you have to care more about hygiene and cat spaces in your home. A indoor cat just doesn't fit into the lifestyle of many existing cat owners.
@@steffenpanning2776 That's true. But if people are unwillig to care adequately for their animal companions they should get one that doesn't need as much stimulation and enrichment.
Also for people who work, an easy solution is adopting two cats instead of one. Leave the adults cats that prefer to be the only cat to people who are able to give more of their time to provide them with companionship.
Again, you are correct. But it's up to people to understand that if they cannot provide adequate stimulation and enrichment, without letting their cat(s) free roam, they should be looking to get another animal.
The only exception would be in countries that don't have an overpopulation problem, or a problem with cats having outsized negative effects on the environment, is semi-ferals being adopted. Even then there are steps that can be taken to mitigate potential harm to vulnerable species - like spaying/neutering, playing with cat and feeding wet food before they go out, limiting outdoor access during dawn and dusk in spring and summer, providing toys and enrichment items in their outdoor setting, etc. .
@@mejuliie I don't own a cat for that reason. I just think many cat owners will not convert their cats to an indoor pet because it doesn't fit their live-style. The best chances to change something is to get the information out before someone adopts a cat.
Feral cats aren’t really an issue in Asia or Africa, the ecosystem would eat them or spit them out.
The cats tried to take the video down!
the conspiracy goes much deeper than I thought! 🙀🙀🙀😹
Spay and neuter your cats. Also, adopt rather than getting one from a breeder.
I found my cat next to a dumpster trying to find food. I picked her up and the rest is history. We scheduled her for her to get spayed but a guest let her out and she got knocked up. Gave all her kittens but one away, all got spayed and neutered.
The cat distribution system also works wonders, I say as I’ve been hit by it 6 times.
@@RevusXplot twist: the guest was in cahoots with all the people who got a kitten. Mission accomplished.
I'd always go with a breeder as I wouldn't want a sick or traumatized cat.
The selective pressures of evolution will never work against us in *this* case...
"so there isn't an exact date when humans started domesticating cats"
They didn't, the cats just moved in. That's the story I believe.
Hi Adef! 👋 welcome to The Facility, glad you’re here! 🎉
Annnnd he's dead... Man they really don't make interns like the used to
@@ku8721 annnnnd he's alive again. That's why we have synthetic blood
Can't wait for his hair transplant, then Kyle junior will be complete.
He sucks
Little less handsome, but fairly close glad he's here
I would love to talk to my neighbors about this, but met too many militant pet owners to ever try again.
Do you mean about letting them outside unsupervised, or just... owning them at all?
Its a form of bestiality, is what it in fact is. Stepping over homeless people to purchase a 5 lb 28.00 bag of grain free kibble, then go shove McDonalds or some other poison down their throats, the animal being elevated even above themselves. Its actually a spiritual malady and a resut of chronic epidemic lonliness, but the bottom line is, the west is out of control w pet worship and human abuse
@@Katharoni first one
Right? People will get so mad when I tell them HOUSE cats should live in a HOUSE
@@OperationDarkside ok then I'm 100% on your side, as a cat owner myself who harness trains my pets.
my partner and I's cats (poffin & cleffa) were obviously well-compensated for their remarkable acting.
If you are being held hostage by the cats, and they are making you say that under duress, blink twice. /s
It's too bad the new guy passed away on his first day on the job
It's the new guy! And he's alive!
Welcome to the facility adef! Ur kitties acting was Oscar worthy💜 I'm happy to hear they're well compensated.
yo adef what a nice surprise to see you here at kyles. perfectly normal behaviour as usual
I live near a nature reserve, and all the apartments around here forbid outdoor cats. Not only would they kill the wildlife, but the wildlife would kill THEM.
I'm glad this came back because I was sad at the thought of Kyle Hill lost media yesterday.
A bit unfortunate since I imagine a lot of people will see this and then close it which will make the algorithm think people aren't interested.
Please explain.
@@nicomal This video originally went up the other day but was taken down shortly after.
Someone said it had a "fact" that could've been pointed out, Kyle only knows and says "major technical issues"
My cat, June, isn't allowed outside mostly because of her natural predators, cars, but her ecological threat is a good reason too.
Huh, cars are also the natural predator of humans in developed countries, the leading cause of death that's not a disease, in fact. We and your cat have a common enemy. How cool is that?
Fat fish? A lot of betta fish owners do indeed overfeed their fish to fatness. Fatty liver disease is a common problem among domesticated betta fish, and you do hear the occasional story of someone feeding their betta to death, as some of them don't know when to stop eating and just keep eating as long as there is food available.
yea fat fish is pretty common in fish tanks but fat fish in the wild as an invasive species is crazy. i knew the lion fish were bad there but didnt realize they were FAT too lol
pretty sure FL has programs where you can go out and kill as many as you want, sort of like their issue with invasive boas too
My cats stay safe from cars and diseases outside on my patio with a mesh, they can feel the wind, play with leaves, but they can't murder that squirrel or that finch. They can occasionnaly eat a fly or a small bug, but that's the xtent of their destructive power in the catio
Looks like Captain Snickers is filing copyright strikes again…
Context?
Another option to consider is reading up on how to introduce your kitty to wearing a harness, not all cats take to it but if they do it provides an option for supervised exploration. This allows you to take them out in a controlled way where you can keep them safe from hazards like cars, cruel and abusive humans, dangerous animals including aggressive cats or dogs, toxic plants or other toxins etc while also keeping other critters safe from kitty. Letting them explore while wearing a harness and a leash can bring in the benefits of outside time while limiting the risks both to your cat and to other animals they might encounter along the way.
I live in the country and constantly have new ferals showing up. The benefit (even in the country), I never have to deal with mice/vermin in my yard. Of course I always have cuddly fur babies nearby.
The negative is I spend thousands a year on spay/neutering. If they stay on the property for more than a month, I take them to verify they aren’t chipped, then Vaccinate/TNR…
Kids, wife, and myself have brought MANY inside permanently, but 19 cats & 4 dogs (1 foster) inside (large house on 9 acres) means we basically spend $1k a month just on food/litter, and $4-5k annually on the vet.
7 outside now I take care of, although 5 are a mom & newborn litter that is about to get spayed (kittens in 2 months). We spend quite a lot on heated beds & water dishes for the garage & shelter house. It’s a lot of work.
That’s the problem about living in a more rural area. Most of those strays that you have were most likely tossed out of the car it’s sad true. People will drive out to the middle of nowhere and just dump cats and dogs the amount of cats and dogs that me and my parents took in one of which my father actually watched the person throw out the window of a moving vehicle makes you lose faith in humanity.
You're an actual angel. Not everyone has access to the resources that you might and you're using it to absolutely radiate kindness and leave an extremely tangible positive imact on the world and the people and creatures around you. ❤️
I know this part is the bare minimum but I also sincerely appreciate that you dont just shoot them like alot of people do...
Seriously good on ya, and you're surrounded by lil fuzzy friends, what's better???
@draelon Stop taking care of every stray animal.
You're attracting them to the property by leaving food/water out and you're indirectly contributing to the problem.
I understand that it's hard to not help these animals, but what you're doing is NOT helping these animals.
Rip all the birds in your area:)
@@Jake.The.Snake. they aren't feeding the outside ones, just watering them and providing shelter. Same diff I guess, but probs big diff
Cats have nothing on HUMANS when it comes to being an invasive species...
I'm so glad for this video, I've been saying cats shouldn't be outdoors for years and all I get is "well my cat is smart so it's fine"
I know right? Those sorts of arguments always frustrate me because first of all, no cat is smart enough to be 100% safe outside, and second of all, they completely ignore the impact on the environment. It's not just about whether your cat will be ok, it's also about whether the environment will be ok.
Are their cats magically car proof?
"my cats smart"
face palm lmfao, thats the issue! Bros is a lil navy seal death machine but doesnt inherently know what poisonous plants to not nibble on x3
i suppose they need a smart cat to make up for their stupidity - still not a reason to let them outside, of course
"But I feed him enough and he's a sweetie!" - grandma's words before her grandson attached a GoPro to the cat and watched it eat an ENTIRE nest of baby birds that same night.
This video was always going to get hate, but people need to wake up to this.
There are so many bigger threats to biodiversity.
Yea some people can’t accept that they are wrong about what they say. They say cats are fine and they are not.
Yeah, just like they need to wake up to all of the other things we do to destroy the planet.
They'll never listen, though. People who drive gas cars, own more than 3 cats, over eat/over produce meat, or contribute to plastic in the ocean think they're correct and shouldn't change.
@@aethervvav1658 What people really need to wake up to is how much damage dogs do. We need a video about how dogs are, in fact, magnitudes more disruptive and invasive than cats are. Not just about hunting unnecessarily, noise pollution,the toxic damages their uncleaned waste does, and actually real damage done to human beings.
@matthewboire6843 More people cannot accept they are wrong about the substantial damages dogs do. Everyone praises their dog as the best, but if every dog was the best, there wouldn't be barking, or gargantuan turds on the sidewalk, or attacks on EVERYTHING. Cats are perfectly fine pets as long as their kept inside, they aren't "not fine" as you so eloquently worded. Dogs can fully be nuisances without needing to be free-roam.
These things need to be talked about instead of a glorified "keep your cats inside" post. We need to address the REAL invasive pets among us, the animal that causes the most issues. Because it is NOT cats, like so many of you believe.
What people need to wake up to is that there is a pet significantly more damaging and detrimental not only to the natural world, but to human society as well. Spoilers, it isn't the animal Kyle felt the need to make a whole video on. It is dogs. People need to wake up to how intrusive dogs are to modern society. Not everybody needs a hunting partner anymore, they no longer have a crucial role in society, they have just become waste spreaders and noise polluters. All the people in this comment section like you, blaming cats, are fully ignoring the horrendous consequences brought upon by the widespread owning of dogs. Training dogs means to remove the "dog" nature in them. The barking, the food greed, the aggression, all dog natures that need to be trained out for dogs to be suitable living with humans. We never tamed wolves, just brought them inside and wrapped them in a blanket.
@matthewboire6843 Many, many more people cannot accept they are fully wrong about what they have to say about dogs. Cats are far from "not fine" pets, as you so eloquently put, cats are fine pets as long as they are kept inside. Dogs, however, can still be heard barking from as far as a block away from INSIDE their own home, without the need to be let out and free-roaming. That is not fine. Dogs can still leave gargantuan piles of stinking waste all over the sidewalks without me ever needing to even see them. That is not fine.
We're talking about environmental impact, so let me bring up the fact people aren't taking their cats into nature reserves and unleashing them on unsuspecting, protected wildlife. Or if they are, I have yet to see a single article written about it, unlike dogs which have several articles written about protected animals they have caused the deaths of. To cite an example, a PROTECTED Canadian goose was fully mauled to death before the owner could wrangle the animal and flee the scene, taking zero responsibility. Cats also aren't dumping potentially hundreds of pounds a year worth of waste into those protected water systems, for said protected animals to drink from.
This video was fully made about the wrong invasive pet. A poorly trained cat kept inside might pee on the couch, scratch your dining table, and meow in the middle of the night. A poorly trained dog kept inside will wake up the entire street, chew up precious things, steal your food, attack any company brave enough to come over, and also pee on your couch. A full six part series of documentaries could be made on the disastrous impact of dogs, but instead Kyle chose to make a glorified "keep your cats inside pls" post. I know this video is about cats, and I am gong to get TONNES of hate from the dog defending crowd, but this stuff NEEDS to be said, its getting extremely out of hand, and clearly Kyle isn't going to say it.
My little floof never goes outside. Im a firm believer in keeping cats indoors not only for there own safety (lost a cat to a car strike when i was little) but also for all the animals that dont want to be stabbed by murder mittens.
I’ve been arguing this for years. Anthropogenic bird deaths are only in the billions per year because of cats. Their impact is particularly notable in isolated environments such as Hawaii.
Very brave of you to make this video, and it's an incredibly important one. Thank you such much for raising awareness.
My girl used to belong to our neighbor who just left her outside, and she killed a healthy number of birds before she got sick and the neighbor just decided they didn't want to deal with it and gave her to us. Now she only goes outside on a harness and she's very happy and healthy.
(In fact she's staring at me right now demanding breakfast)
I'm confused at 12:45 why not bring out the fact that you can just bring your cats outside on a leash (like we do with 100's of millions of dogs). Getting the harness on can be quite tricky. Smaller you start it, the better the results (treats always help and doing it inside). And yes, walking a cat is totally different from dogs 99% of the time. You have to assume more of a supervisor role where you decide where the cat can't go and just follow along. Can't speak about all countries, where I live it has worked for over 15 years. If there are unleashed dogs (which is usually illegal) I suggest a "light" tap on their noses with your shoe when they are the problem (I've only kicked one dog pls don't kill me).
I know him forgetting to write /s was his bad but..
I mean, if it's attacking you and/or your pet while their owner is breaking the law, **shrugs** their fault, not yours, and I DO say this as an outright dog person who doesn't want to own cats, but enjoys other people's.
@@LordNerfherder Dogs can maul people. It's a little harder for a cat to do that.
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltan Go try to hug a feral cat.
My cats hate getting dressed, but as soon as I put the harness on they are like “oooh outside time”
We found an abandoned kitten ten or so years ago and took it in. Since then they show up regularly. There has to be a communication line they have to know to show up at our house. A kitten the size of my hand ran into our yard a few weeks ago and climbed my husband. We take care of them, try to find them homes, end up stuck with them. We now have 4 who have problems so live inside one house, 5 in our other house and 9 outside that we nearly go broke feeding and vetting. We thought if we got them fixed it would eventually slow down, but it has not. They are all so sweet, but for Pete's sake...
"It's like suddenly doubling the amount of sharks in the ocean or tripling the amount of polar bears in the Arctic"
Ferb, i know what we are gonna do today.
Keeping your cats indoor-only is also far better for their health and lifespan. Outdoor cats tend to die far younger thanks to all of the hazards they can get into.
We keep four indoor cats, and to give them some more space and fresh air and the ability to _watch_ wildlife without being able to hunt them, we built a 4' x 8' "catio" on the back deck they can get at any time they want.
That is not true. I know of many indoor outdoor cats that have lived between 15 to 20 years
If I was a cat I would prefer a short fulfilling life than a long life of incarceration...
@@marvenlunn6086 As have I. This is why I said "tend to" and not "always". The statistics are extremely clear on this one.
@@himarei That's a false dichotomy.
@@himarei So, you’d prefer a ‘YOLO’ approach for cats? An indoor life isn’t a prison; it’s more like a VIP lounge for cats. 🐱 Let’s aim for a long, happy life instead of a short, risky one. It’s called responsible pet care.
Another way people can give their cats outside time is by leash and harness training them and taking them for walks or adventures on a leash. It gives them the opportunity to explore and get the benefits of going outside without the risk of killing wildlife.
It also allows you to guide them safely across roads and way from toxic plants, dangerous trash, cruel people, catnappers, aggressive or sick looking animals, places where they could become trapped etc. There are so many things out there that can and will kill your cat if left to their own devices which is why unsupervised outdoor cats have a significantly reduced life expectancy than indoor cats or those that only go outside with supervision. Having a human there to supervise and guide the cat through the many, many dangers of the human environment is a good thing for kitty as well as for any wildlife kitty might otherwise threaten.
showing this video to my cat so he stops trying to run outside whenever the door opens. he's declawed (front claws removed before we got him), he does NOT belong out there
I don't have any cats, but I do have 2 birds, and my neighbour a few doors down has a cat that he lets roam the apartment building, and etc. One day I decided to pull a box out from under my bed, and this cat just walks out, sort of freaked me out.. giant cat just appears, and then I realize I just got back after going out for about 4 hours, during which time my door was closed, with the cat inside... and my birds aren't caged. I feel kind of lucky, but this never should of happened. I think it snuck in when I had the door cracked a bit for airflow.
never should _have_ happened*
in case you didn't know
@@Querez8504 I just tab as the spell checker works, but yeah, it doesn't sound right
@@HicSvntDracones The reason a lot of people end up typing "should of", "would of" and "could of" is because "have" is often contracted to just "'ve", making it all "should've", "could've", and "would've", which makes it sound like "of".
@@HicSvntDracones LOL I learned English in school as a second language and I didn't understand why native speakers made this mistake until I took a Phonetics course at Uni 😀For us, it's always been a contraction of "have". I find it very interesting that both natives and foreigners make mistakes, but different kinds.
Kyle's sexy long hair is an invasive species. It has invaded my heart
Oh! I also really appreciate the note that this is not just an America thing- I've gotten in arguments with people online who insist that cats should only be kept indoors in the US and that it's fine to keep them outside in the UK and Europe, but that never really added up to me, since that's also not cats "native" environment - not that the modern domesticated cat has any true native environment other than - with humans.
Cats migrated to Europe like humans. If humans are native to the UK, so are cats.
@@FemFridge I believe a species is counted as invasive as long as it is not naturally integrated into the environment in some form.
Basically aiding the environment as much as it takes from it. If that is not the case, it is probably counted as invasive for as long as this holds true.
Just speculation on my part. I'm not a biologist.
You won't change things in Europe, cats have been kept outside for thousands of years here.
@@NaptosisThey're a domestic species, they are native to nowhere.
@@cooperolm9687 funfact, those domesticated animals were domesticated outside, where they were all the time. cats beeing keps indoors is a modern concept. farmers didnt just keep them for fun for ten thousand years, they were important and extremely efficient pest control. they were literally directly a part of the ecosystem, just living alongside humans
This is why my cat must be on a leash if he wants to go outside. That and a couple of my neighbors let their dogs run wild around the neighborhood and I don't know if those dogs are friendly.
Every single day I see tens of posts on local social media groups about missing/found dead cats. The cognitive dissonance is astounding. Keep them inside!
Because people let them out and don't go looking for them until it's been hours..... When they can't get in they seek shelter elsewhere, and at night they are at a higher risk of being run over.
Get a cat flap, keep them indoors at night, otherwise let them be cats.
@RealDeadBird yeah let it out during the day so it can come into my garden to piss & shit on my baby sister's toys. And get diseases from the ferals in the area. And munch on the lilies I plant. Great idea! Putting in the slightest bit of effort to keep YOUR cat safe & contained on YOUR own property is so overrated :)
@@nazzkid23 yeah, because it's a cat, they are meant to be outside animals, they hunt and keep peoples properties free of many pests. The same pests people put out traps for.
Animals piss and shit on fucking everything, if you don't want them to be full of it then you should clean up after her everytime she is done playing. I don't know about you but my parents told me to clean up after I played with my toys as a kid.
And lilies? Dude, I have deer stomping the fuck out of my backyard, hedgehogs doing whatever they do, birds picking at every fucking berry bush there is, mice trying to live rent free in my apartment, etc, that is nature, this is how it works, and cats are a part of it. Expecting anything else is delusional.
You can also take your cats on walks outdoors in a harness
My last cat was my companion for 24 years. So many people I tell this to are astounded, in part because they are used to how short the life of an outdoor cat is. So if you love your feline friend, do yourself and the world a favor and keep them inside.
Some people live to be 112. There are always outliers.
@@africlips6137 But statistically, overwhelmingly, indoor cats live much longer. That's just the reality.
@@bushybeardedbear Zoo animals live longer than wild animals. So should we just keep animals in zoos?
@@africlips6137 Cats are domesticated. Not wild. But in some cases, yes, to preserve a species it may be best to keep them in zoos until we can repopulate the wild. That's basic conservation.
@@bushybeardedbear Cats are only partly domesticated and are very similar to their wild kin.
And I always thought, that humans are the worst invasive species…
If your cat wants outside; build a catio or start harness and leash training your cat.
It’s that simple.
I'm not convinced though. It's their nature to be outside. To give them only a synthetic and distant view seems cruel in my opinion. It would be like aliens putting humans in a zoo and saying "oh, don't worry, we have Friends on repeat for you."
@@AyrSpeed I get what you’re saying, but there’s more than the cat at stake. Imagine the human in the zoo is a serial killer, and your opinion changes
@@AyrSpeedyes it is exactly a zoo.
A zoo with no cars.
Thanks for making this (and reuploading it). As much as I love cats, they are incredibly destructive to ecosystems, both feral cats and domestic free roaming cats, and this video is an important PSA as well as educational video. Please keep you kitties indoors folks.
And again I'll quickly dive in b4 someone says "but humans cause worse destruction to ecosystem!1!"
Yes. One of the ways we do this is by introducing invasive species into different ecosystems. Such as cats. Keep your cat indoors.
Humans are also an invasive species.
@@RedXlV Nobody said we arent, domestic cats are a direct cause of the issues we created so they play a huge factor in this issue after humans.
Free-ranging cats should *_NEVER_* have remained a thing, period.
More than the significant threat they pose to other animals, they pose a significant threat to themselves by meandering into dangerous areas they should never have been in; I literally lost two cats to starvation because they both got stuck inside closed-off basement floors I don't even know how they got into until someone else found them there months later.
This third kitty is gonna be staying well inside at home now where I can see her, kthx.
I live in a rural area and have many chickens and food storage.
The only way we don't have a ton of rodents is having indoor/outdoor cats.
I keep having people online chiding me for letting our cats go outside, but they have a job to do. We have four male cats, all fixed, so they aren't spreading their love around, but they sure as hell do their job and occasionally leave us reminders of their work.
Not everyone lives in the city or a suburb. Outdoor cats always have utility to many people.
Our cats have also all lived long and happy lives doing cat stuff. Currently our oldest are both 7 - we tend to pick up 2 more male cats every 5 years or so, so that the old ones can teach the young cats the way of things.
Skill issue
@@wysoft get a terrier. cats are bad at pest control honestly bc they don't target only the pests you want gone. terriers are like laser focused little rat killers and much better for your barns health since they don't shit and piss all over it and attract more animals with diseases the way cat "colonies" do.
i've lived in rural arkansas, on farms, for over 30 yrs.
also 7 is a young cat still. my indoor cats regularly live to 16+. my last old man passed at 19.
I love them, but they aren’t coming in my house… their hair, and smell… no thanks.
Dogs are even worse.
Well like he said in the video, that's how they came to us. They roamed around our homes and just decided they didn't want to attack us. Farmers still use free roaming cats to protect their barns like they did 3000 years ago. There was no world it wasn't going to happen as it was what they chose to do naturally and it's inevitable that people became attached to the things that protected their stuff.
It's more we need to reduce free roaming cats of today as they are destructive, fast breeders, and pretty good hiders too.
There's also the issue of Toxoplasmosis, which while its effects are understudied in humans I wouldn't be surprised if it makes people at least a little more sympathetic towards cats. Hawaii has had a really hard time convincing people to even just not _feed_ cats, let alone cull them. Its quite the problem to convince people to actually do something about them.
We built a catio so our cats could enjoy a safe outdoor space. They absolutely love going out there, and wait for us to open it each morning. Although with winter coming, they are less happy about the cold weather and stay out for shorter times before coming inside to warm themselves in their heated beds.
I can't recommend building a catio enough, did them previously on our balcony when we lived in an apartment.
Cats should not be left running around outside, their lifespan is drastically reduced and life much harsher and more dangerous. The lifespan of an outdoor car is less than 3 years.
Declawing is monstrous and should not even be allowed. It's animal abuse.
When you say "outdoor cat", is that a cat that lives outdoors or one that lives indoors but can go outdoors whenever they want to? Because I really do not believe that the later only has a lifespan of 3 years. I know that I am misunderstanding somehow but I have have never heard of a cat owner that does not let their cat go indoors. I am so confused.
@@spumbibjorn From what I've read, that's completely feral cats with no human intervention. indoor-outdoor, and free roaming cats cared for by people tend to live about 10 years, compared to about 15-20 for indoor only cats. (at least here in the states)
Awesome to see ADEF here! Subbed to him a year ago and every new upload puts a smile on my face. He definitely fits the vibe of this channel as well.
the past year ive mostly domesticated a feral tom he had a rough life lost an eye had some bad injuries but with some work and time he is now a handsome boy got him clean and all his hair back hes still a little nervous but live a good indoor life now and he likes it
Just put on a nature documentary for your cats once in a while they’ll love it
I just love how domestic cats are these perfect little predators with borderline superpowers... And yet we squeeze their cheeks and pick them up and call them little cuties or potatoes.
Yes. Basically they're wild animals with behavior nice enough to always be indoors near humans. Perhaps similarly to guinea pigs and vinegaroons
We domesticated dogs to be our partners and companions. We semi-domesticated cats to hunt small vermin like mice. Contrary to popular belief, cats were never used as ratters, that was a job for dogs and ferrets.
This is an important topic, and thank you for addressing it!!!!
It needs to be more noticeable its crazy how we give them far more leniency over every other invasive animals.
Cats are just doing what cats evolved to do. It’s for this reason that we, as their human stewards, have a responsibility to our furry friends and our native ecologies to keep them inside when we are not supervising them. If possible build them a catio or take them out on leash!
Bingo! n_n They're not villians in any way! With a lot of help from humans they accidentally outgrew their biological niche and its def just our responsibility to keep them from doing harm
Catios are so cute and really great for cats mental health, for anyone with the privilege of having that space :3
Something about the villianization of cats when being presented like this makes me really worry about how people who already have biases against cats are going to enact their vigilante forms of "population control"(abuse and pet murder) which is already a really big issue in lots of places.
@@sugarrookieart: I hate that after reading your post, my mind immediately went to trump's racist screed against the Haitian community, especially since the most likely suspects are all prolly native citizens with multiple generations in their respective countries. This truly is the worst and darkest timeline.
Cats are not evoled to go out on a leash either
@@Gurumeierhans More adapted to it, comsidering the decreased mortality
@@Gurumeierhans No animals are, that's what training is for. If you don't have the time or patience to do that, consider getting a fish.
Also, outdoor cats live shorter lives, keep em inside, and you get to enjoy your furry companion for longer.
So you're saying my indoor/outdoor cats that lived to be sixteen and twenty years old, respectively, would have lived into their thirties?
02:15 Ohmygod it's Adef! I love that guy! 💛
Where's the person that always know what changed with the reupload?
Gone, the cats got to them. /s
growing up rural and on a quasi-farm (had some farm animals, but it was a hobby, we made no $$) it drives me nuts whenever I see free-roaming cats and dogs. "they deserve to be able to explore! it makes them happy!" the native fauna isn't happy! and your cat won't be very happy if it's dead! I'm so tired of seeing cats and dogs that have been flattened by cars. the only cat I will begrudgingly allow outside is a working cat. and there are still other options to suppress rodent problems inherent with livestock.
the dog my dad had when I was 5 or so got hit by a car. the dog he had when I was in high school was poisoned. when we had horses there was a neighbor kid who would buy an entire bag of apples and feed it to our 2 horses, no matter how many times we told him not to. one of our horses was prone to foundering and the problem didn't clear up until we moved the horses to an entirely different pasture. my best friend accidentally ran over her own cat one winter morning. when I brought my dads old barn cat inside to retire she was on the edge of death. I expected a few months, a year max before she passed. after 2 heavy rounds of deworming and defleaing I got FIVE more years.
if ur not worried about ur native wildlife, worry about ur pet! it's NOT SAFE out there! do not let these animals run free!
And ironically, even as working cats, it's been shown that they're actually not that great at controlling rodent populations, and their presence isn't actually that huge of a deterrent to most rats.
@@Spamhard how good a cat is at being a hunter varies wildly and there's obviously no way to verify that before getting a cat. I've had many cats. our first barn cat was insane and the chipmunks were gone within a week of getting her. we found her stalking moles underground on multiple occasions. we let her have a litter of kittens before getting her fixed. of the 2 kittens we kept, one ONLY wanted to hunt birds (much to my step-mothers chagrin, since he was brought into the house and he managed to kill every finch and canary no matter HOW she tried to keep them safe. still not sure how he got the canary hanging from the middle of the ceiling.) and the other didn't hunt at all. my mom got me my first cat when I was like, 5, and had her declawed (unfortunately) and she still would bring me voles from the attic. my current idiot son watched a mouse run across the floor and didn't even get up to inspect.
@@Spamhard yeah, ppl would be much better off getting a pest control dog like a Rat or Jack Russell Terrier (not to be an outside-only dog of course)
@@firesighnavatar3283 But even from the point of a cat that's a 'good' hunter, there was a pretty recent studyy that sshowed cats didn't really kill that many rats, and rats weren't particularly scared of cats, so as pest control in farms and such areas they weren't even hugely effective, which is pretty funny.
@Spamhard the average rat is bigger than most cats would usually want to take on, in my experience. The pests they are going to go after are smaller rodents, usually (and similar sized non-pests). I was agreeing with you that the quality you get is unreliable, and therefore aren't the best option in many cases. If you have a rat problem, you'll want a ratter, specifically, which is probably going to be a kind of dog. Or a mink, if you're the Mink Man.
"Have you ever seen a fat fish? An obese fish?" Funniest thing I've heard all month
I actually have. Overfeeding a carp is pretty easy as they'll eat anything they are given. Koi, goldfish, catfish, they can all get fat if you aren't careful.
Wasn't this posted yesterday?
Nah, youre just buggin’
Are you high?
Yes. Yes it was
@OregonOutdoorsChris no it wasn't, your crazy..
@1:50 the cat was a paid actor. Maybe paid a bit too much for that performance.
Or would you say... Purrformance...
Can you please upload the raw green screen clip of Kyle saying meow.
*People in my neighborhood:* "I love my cat, Fluffy should go outside whenever he feels like it and I don't care what you say."
*One of the many wild coyotes eats Fluffy*
*Also people in neighborhood:* "Why!!? How could this happen!!?"
What happened with the first upload?
Nothing.. there was no ‘first upload’ brother
@@El_Negro2003 Yes there was, don't try to gaslight people, it's rude.
@@Targe0 was not*. Also you’re the one gaslighting here, madman
@@El_Negro2003 You may believe as you wish, however, reality doesn't agree. There was an upload. It was taken down. This is a reupload. There was a technical gaff.
the cats got it
2:45 😂😂😂 The deepest breath then "Is that too much flavor, am I blowing this?!!" Then cut back to "according to an article..." I legitimately laughed out loud!
There's also a huge number of stray cats in Turkey, probably in the millions. Most Turkish people love stray cats and dogs, so they are allowed to roam the streets and many people even feed them. While this seems wholesome at first glance, I think what they're inadvertently doing is choosing these stray cats and dogs over the native animals. I haven't been to too many places in Turkey, but the biodiversity seems really poor even compared to somewhere like London.
Cats are quite literally the native animals in turkey though.
@GTAmaniac1 Not sure about native, but I guess they have been living there for thousands of years.
Thats why you white people have rats all over your houses. We love cats shut up about it.
@@OmniversalInsect no they are literally native to the eastern mediterranian, thats where they came from. and they are equally native to other parts of the old world as the humans living there since they moved together. how many thouusands of years does it take for a species to become native to you?
@Helperbot-2000 A thousand years isn't very long in the context of evolution and nature, and they were still introduced by humans.
I have a big garden in my backyard. There are craters everywhere, filled with cat poop. I was doing my rounds yesterday, and I noticed a spot with a lot of loose feathers. A cat had captured a mourning dove and ate it. The cats take advantage of my bird feeders for their hunting grounds. I used to have a neighbor that let out her tomcat. He would impregnate the stray females. I've had two female cats come into my garage and have their litters. Their children come back to my yard and decorate my garden with their poo.
Glad I caught this again.
12:12 who is him?
I don’t know either, but I would like to find out. Consider this a bump for your question.
It’s a friend of Kyle’s, he studies insects if remember correctly and Kyle gets jealous, find a recent-ish video about bugs and he’ll be in it
Yeah as Knight explained, it's a callback joke to a previous video where he kept saying how jealous he is of his very attractive entomologist friend.
@@Sands-k6k thank you. I had seen that video before, but it was worth a rewatch. Fucking Phil and his beautiful everything.
I think fundamentally there's going to be a difference in approach in different parts of the world. I'll tell you now, you'll never get rid of outdoor cats in Europe. Indoor only cats are very much the exception, often because the cat has a health condition. People often have smaller homes and therefore the cats are allowed to roam outside to exercise (though a traditional cat flap in the door usually). Walking a cat on a lead would be seen as really wierd, people would ask, if you wanted a pet you could walk, why not get a dog? In some parts of southern Europe, "community cats" which are owned collectively by villages are common, and you should see Istanbul, cat capital of the world probably. And since wildlife has had some chance to adapt over the past 3000 years or so, they're probably less vulnerable than in the Americas and Australasia. So I think it's fair to focus on those areas and don't worry about Europe.
Just because something is perceived as weird, you're going to stop? Some kids used to think waiting for the traffic to stop was cowardly. Until one was hit.
@@bushybeardedbear ah duuude, nice hit bro, that strawman cant take many more now!
@@Helperbot-2000 He made the argument walking a cat is perceived as weird. I made the point caving to peer pressure is childish. Where is the strawman?
@@bushybeardedbearoh of course, how could i forget that was everything he said, glad you cleared that up
@@Helperbot-2000 I wasn't responding to everything he said. I was responding to one point. I never claimed otherwise...? Are you OK dude?
I think this shows that cats are the BEST invasive species.
Welcome Adef. Good luck in your facility endeavors
Love them, but sadly yes, they are extremely invasive and VERY destructive to literally anything their size or smaller. Ground nesting birds in my area have literally been COMPLETELY wiped out. I haven't heard Quail or Bobwhite out in the woods since I was 18. Keep. Your cats. INSIDE. Or at least put them in a harness or something unless they stick close to you outside and DON'T let them spend the day or night outside.
I'm cat lover, but mine cat is an indoor cat. I love birdies and small animals too.
Thank you for being responsible
Found a very sick amaciated feral last year
Took it to a vet for treatment and a few days later was asked if we wanted to adopt, we said yes and took it into our care, after around a month the vets rang to check in with for an update and asked if they could have the cat as there surgery cat unfortunately passed away and all the staff fell in love with her.
Safe to say that with all the medication and rreatments the poor tortoiseshell needed it was in the best interest for "gem" as we called her that the surgery took her on and now she is a very happy kitty.
I’ve owned three cats over the years. I kept mine inside.
A friend had an odd-eyed white tomcat that loved to kill wildlife. That cat even once had a shot at killing an immature great blue heron. The cat was barely injured and the heron spent a couple weeks in a wildlife hospital - at least it survived.
Crazy cat dude here. As an also a biologist, I agree that cats should be kept indoors. None of mine go outside and they're perfectly content to threaten deer and raccoons through the windows.
36 years of cats always indoors. They've all done just fine.