I love how Aaron gives away nothing spoiler wise. He's so good at containing his reactions and explanations and theories to things that nothing is given away. Good job sir.
yeah, through he's also good at pretending like something that's amazing isn't happening on screen. (like what he did with the rose parts in series 4) and i bet that he's going to do the same when the ------- shows up!
There's a line the Doctor says that often gets missed, just before the angel gets Octavian, "A Cyberking, a giant Cyberman walks over Victorian London and no one even remembers". Obviously referring to the episode The Next Doctor, it resolves/explains a lot of the 'why don't they remember?' moments
This two-parter has a lot of my favourite lines. "He's not some kind of madman, then?"... pause... "I absolutely trust him!" "You'd slow us down, miss Pond." - "I don't wanna sound selfish, but you'd really speed me up."
@@SpeedyCheetahCubI assume that the crack in time masked the existence of the viewer and boosted the Angel’s power. This gave them the brief period of time to move between the frames of the episode while we were watching.
@@LordDaret I thought that the angels were moving in between the frames which is why they were moving so slowly when it has been established that they can move very quickly. If you factor in how little time they have to move between each frame, their fast movement appears like normal movement if they didn't stop every frame.
I'm really happy to see them digging 11th by now, particularly Shane. Regeneration is always a difficult process, but we all end up adapting and loving it eventually.
The thing about the Angels supposedly moving on screen, is that film cameras have a shutter moving over them between each frame ( thank you TvTropes ). Which means, that for a fraction of a second, the CAMERA IS BLINKING.
The interesting thing about the cracks is that they remove things from history, while leaving paradoxes where things that person did still happened. Hence how the implication of Amy's parents having been removed from time, yet her still being around.
Matt may not have David's sex appeal, but I think he made children feel attached to the doctor in ways that the other Doctors didn't...at least from what I've seen.
Julie Nichols people have different tastes - I don't find Tennant that much attractive - definitely less attractive than Smith and few others new era doctors.
Guys, I don't rate Doctors on sex appeal. I was only addressing that because they started talking about how they didn't think Matt Smith was as attractive. :P
Some of the angels are statues but they did not have the budget to make anymore than the ones they used in "blink" because they were expensive to make. It took around 12 hours to train the actress's to be perfectly still and about 6 to apply make up for each of them.
This is actually the first episode of this show I ever saw. I pretty much owe it for making a great first impression and making me immediately fall in love with the series.
Big Finish Fan I respect that, but the thing I love about Amy and Rory is that they’re around for 2.5 seasons! Season 1-4 never has the same duo for more than one season...
I feel the same way, I feel like Moffat's era seems to make sure that companions save the day (in grand moments) in more than just one episode at the end of the season. Helps to make the companions more likeable, not to say I don't like some of the companions from RTD. Always will be very partial to Donna
kaledmasterme Very true and makes it even more impressive and which is the reason why Moffat spent so much focus on these two episodes and not on episodes like" Victory Of The Daleks" by his own admission
21:30 - On the subject of Matt Smith's face (without being mean please, people): I agree with what I (believe) Stephen Moffat once said, which is he somehow looks incredibly young and yet conveys this ancient "something" at the same time. His features have a great embodiment of those two qualities, which I think makes for a great Doctor aesthetic. For what it's worth, I consider him an unconventionally handsome chap, and I think it will be a great visage to revisit in some kind of special a couple of Doctors from now, when his looks have fully ripened into the look of an older and wiser being.
I believe the explanation for "walk like you can see" is that since the angles are still weak and recovering they are being extra cautious and may turn to stone instinctually when they think they are being watched.
Reminder that you're not actually seeing the angels move. In any given frame, they're perfectly still--they're moving *between* frames, when you can't see them. :)
BradletS95 Theories. The best shows have elements of ambiguity. Numerous redditors and smart Whovians have posited this idea before on forums and youtube.
To be clear, you're asking me if it's a proven fact that the angels don't move in individual frames of video? Which are, y'know, static images in which *nothing* can move?
I'm asking whether it has been stated by the creators of the show if this was indeed happening. But no this is just a theory as I suspected. Nothing wrong with that, but I wanted to be sure.
I met Matt Smith and Karen Gillan on the day the filmed that episode. My late great uncle ran an autograph shop and would work with the BBC for getting autographs for the show and he took me long with him to the beach location in Wales as a surprise. They were so nice and signed me a personal autograph.
Father Octavian is one of the most underrated Who side characters ever. Such a badass and a genuinely touching death scene despite his limited screen time
My first reaction from Ten to Eleven's regeneration was "I dont like his face!" Ten is my doctor but I can say by the end of Matt's run he had quite the handsomest of faces lol.
*"If that's the last time we see them I think it's a pretty good send off..."* We all wish this was the last time we saw The Angels, but unfortunately....
As many dumb plot holes as The Angels Take Manhattan has, at least it stuck to the original nature of the Angels more closely, as in Blink. I can forgive it more for that than I can forgive this story for bringing back the Angels but throwing away everything that made them great. It would have made so much more sense if it were a Vashta Nerada story instead.
I know ppl will hate me for this but... Angels Take Manhattan is my favorite angel story. It introduced a lot more timey wimeyness, the whole thing with the book predicting the future is GORGEOUS, the different looking statues being angels leaning into the premise that ANY statue can be an angel, the cherubs displacing you in space instead of time, and finally that dark idea of the misery farm for the angels to fuel on... And on top of all that, the gorgeous pair of scenes of Amy and Rory jumping off the building together and then being taken back in time, it's heartbreaking! And if you consider the minisode P.S. into all that, it is the perfect way to end Amy and Rory while doing the angels justice. It's great.
I don't think that seeing the angels move ruined everything, because there's still so much they can do that we haven't seen. We know that they can send people back in time, snap necks, drain power, and cover twenty feet in a literal blink. Seeing them turn their necks doesn't ruin that for me.
Nathan M especially because, as far as I understand it, the angels not moving on screen because “we can see them” was a fan theory, not actual fact. It’s still a tv show. But I can see why people would come to a conclusion like that.
I think the problem is how to raise the tension in a scene when the angels are supposed to be moving. Amy has her eyes closed so there’s no reason for them to not be moving, other than some “instinct” that the Doctor suspects they have. You could have them creep up on her with a lot of little shots like they did before. But, that works better for bigger movements. I think the audience might not see the small movements required for the scene. It also makes no sense why people watching the show can freeze the angels. That would make our viewing part of the plot. Of course Rick Sanchez would totally defeat the angels by explicitly telling the audience to keep an eye on them, if that’s the case.
Not to mention that, for all we know, they still might aggressively chicken dance toward you when they move. ......hope someone understands that reference, though it’s pretty obscure at this point.
I really didn't like when we actually saw the Weeping Angels move, ruined one of the best things about Blink. That, You, the Audience were also looking at the angels. When we saw them move here it took me out of it
To be honest I don't really mind. It's been specified before they're only stone when seen, so I think them moving here was 'we may still be watched, so let's be careful and not break the disguise.
Well that's what we were told in blink, that the angels only turn to stone because they're being looked at by something, and they can move insanely fast, which is why even not looking at them for a millisecond whilst blinking can lead to death.
"You, me, handcuffs. Must it always end this way?" THIS IS SO SAD. The moment River dies, the doctor is handcuffed to a pole. It literally ended that way for her.
The discussion about Matt's face made me chuckle, but it also brought to mind a terrific line from the Classic Who story The City of Death, where Count Scarlioni (the villain of the piece) says, "You pick a quarrel with my face? Be careful I don't pick a quarrel with yours, I may choose sharper implements than words!"
That doesn't change anything. He dresses in (from his perspective) young man clothes while trying to be hip and cool and trying to show everyone that he's "just like the kids these days". He is an old man trying to be young again; hence Mid-Life Crisis Doctor.
"You, me, handcuffs... may it always end this way?" WJWHHWH IN THE LIBRARY EPISODE SHE HANDCUFFS THE DOCTOR TO THE WALL. SO IT STILL ENDS WITH HANDCUFFS.
When I watched this the first time, I had the same reaction as Eric when seeing them move. I thought something was lost, not because I was attached to not even the audience seeing them move, but because I now know what they look like when they move. In “Blink”, I think the doctor said that the creature turns to stone/a statue when being observed. That made me think that they could look like completely different creatures when not being observed. Similar to a boggart. When no one is looking at them, what do they look like? It’s cool and creates a sort of longing with me not knowing. But now I know moving weeping angels just look like the regular angels moving. Still a dope episode but I would have preferred that that did not happen. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Fun fact, I've been i the wood they filmed that episode. It's called Puzzlewood, and was also used to film The Force Awakens as well as inspiring Tolkein to come up with Fangorn forest.
I believe one of the explanations given for the Weeping Angels moving on screen is that they are moving in between the frames of the video format it's being viewed on or something.
Great video yet again. You should react to a show called Life on Mars (UK). It’s about 10years old now and has John Simm, definitely worth a watch. Only two seasons and I’d recommend going in completely blind.
The angels are affected by gravity, which means they have mass. Everything with mass exerts a gravitational pull on every other object in the universe. Therefore, if the weeping angels could not move while someone was observing their effects, they would never be able to move at all, because someone always is. It seems like direct visual observation is the key.
"I like this guy" The 11th Doctor has finally gained Shane's approval. And, Calvin, you're right. River is like the Irene Adler to the Doctor's Sherlock Holmes.
It's a shame, I remember when this was first shown and everyone trying to work out what the hell was going on, whether it was just a mistake or whether there was more than one doctor in that scene. I'm surprised that Aaron didn't draw their attention to it, They'll be scratching their heads come The Big Bang.
I always hated it too, not because of her being attracted to a good looking man who's basically a god, but how she was so quick to want to hide it and do it behind Rorys back. Plus they never really address it like it deserves imo.
MJM regardless, she didn’t attempt to cheat on him again. That was my question. The only episode I don’t like her in later is “The Girl Who Waited” but that’s it, I like Amy and Rory a lot and I think she’s fine, if not flawed, like a real person.
Also the Doctor explained to River that when Amy was walking through the forest the Weeping Angels were scared of the crack, therefore they weren't paying attention to their surroundings because fear is a rare emotion for the Angels and it caught them off guard. Convenient writing I know but to be fair they did attempt to explain it. Just thought that was worth clarifying, from your end discussion I got the impression you missed that scene.
I was not a fan of Amy moving with her eyes closed around the Angels as well but a comment by the Doctor allowed me better accept it as by this time the Angels were actually scared and running away from the crack, now that they realized it would wipe them out of existence, so this distracted them during Amy's walking deception. Also Amy's counting down was very cool buy even cooler was the reason for it, namely it was done by the Angels just for fun, to scare her even more. I mean the Angels are scary enough but this just made them even worse, which is to say better.
Fun Doctor Who related personal fact: my dad and uncle worked with John Barrowman's dad at Cat in Joliet. When my uncle went to Scotland, JB's dad met up with him and showed him around the town they were at.
I always thought the part where the angels remain frozen because they thought she could see was so stupid. At first it was made out to be an automatic response to another creature seeing them, but here it’s something they choose to do. Their powers don’t make sense like this because now they have to guess that the person isn’t looking
They skipped the scene at 6:00 but something I never noticed before: when the Doctor comes back and tells Amy "remember what I told you when you were 7" he's wearing his jacket, despite loosing it to the Angels earlier and still not having it in the next scene.
Turning to stone is a defense mechanism against harm. Hence why, when the Weeping Angels come across the blind Amy, they still freeze: they recognize her as a threat to their normal form and prioritize defense. Just as the Weeping Angels continued to drain the ship of its energy while also trying to escape the crack and time and convince the Doctor to throw himself into it. Their intelligence is ultimately superseded by their base instincts to feed and their natural defense system.
8:40 I think the point is that the angels also have their eyes closed, so that they don’t turn each other to stone. So walking like you can see makes them believe that you’re watching them, even if they can’t see you.
I hope they react to the minisode after this; it gives more context for the scene at the end and it has some really great moments for such a short clip
If it helps; someone said to me (and I think a couple of other comments on here, too!) that the angels are moving between each frame change on our screens!! Also, as they don’t seem to “freeze into rock” like Ten told us they did in Blink, I feel as though that backs up the between-the-frames theory, because they don’t change!
Given the information of the Weeping Angels we got... I always consider them to be a species that was never corporeal in the first place. They merely attach themselves to actual stone as part of their biology, which would make all the traits possible.
The Angels are, indeed, "abstract beings" as the Doctor referred to them -- the statues, in-and-of-themselves, aren't actually the Angels but rather simply hold the (metaphysical) _image_ of them (the abstract concept of them as manifested in the physical universe vs the outside-of-reality where they emanate from). As they gain power and learn how to slowly "dissolve" the universe around them by unmaking it, as they attempted to do in "The Angels Take Manhattan", they can usurp/corrupt other abstract concepts and use those manifested concepts to exist in the physical universe, such as when they took over the metaphysical essence/meaning of _other_ statues in NY at that point of temporal incursion (the cherubs, The Frontier Woman and her son, The Statue of Liberty (both the physical monument as well as the image-as-it-existed on the poster in the elevator, etc.). Pretty cool stuff when you think about it... ;)
I never liked this retcon of the Angels, It doesn't make sense to me that the Quantum lock that makes them turn to stone would work if you were pretending to see. The Idea is that until something is being actually observed, it is in constant shift, kinda like schrodinger's cat, which wouldnt work with this. Still, fun story, and its always fun to see River!
I mean, I can understand the idea that the angels are panicking from the crack in reality, so they're just activating their Quantum lock more than necessary just to be on the safe side. The problem is, though, that there's no in-between. Either the angels can only activate their quantum lock consciously, in which case it's a miracle none of them ever fuck up and get caught, or it always activates automatically when they're being observed. If it's the latter, and they ALWAYS turn to stone when being observed, then why the Hell would they turn to stone around Amy because they're scared. If they have 100% certainty that the Quantum lock will activate on its own whenever they're being seen, then they have no reason to worry about being seen without knowing about it.
I guess I never saw it like that, being an ability that they chose to use, that would make sense, and because they move so quickly they maybe perceive time slower (Flash style) and are just super accurate with it. I always assumed it was like the universe locking them in place, making them a fixed point, as apposed to in a state of flux because that would break time or something lol. Cool idea tho!
Well see, I don't think it CAN be something that the Angels themselves choose to turn on and off, because if it was, why the Hell would they keep it on in situations like the end of Blink? Surely those angels stuck in a cellar would realize "Oh, the only one looking at me is other angels, so I can turn this off again". In fact realistically there'd be no reason for them to *ever* turn it on in any of the instances we've seen them, since it's meant to be a defense mechanism, and yet we've only ever seen them act as predators, not the prey. So it HAS to be something that happens on its own whenever the angel is seen by another living being. But if that's the case, then it doesn't make sense for them to be "scared" of Amy seeing them and activating it "just in case" because there's no way she could accidentally see their true form if the quantum lock activates on its own.
Another interpretation is that maybe the Angels COULDNT kill Amy? like when that Dalek randomly Decided not to kill that women during the stolen earth story, because it knew she was a fixed point and needed to keep living for some reason. If Amy died from that Angel, then she wouldnt be (SPOILERS)..... alive to give birth to River, and that would fuck all kinds of stuff up. But then you could Apply that logic to literally anything in this show and use it to write off plot armor...just a thought!
When Amy was walking with her eyes closed the doctor said they ain’t paying attention to any since they were scared from the crack in time and were running from it so they would assume she could see them
Not so much in reverse (yeah, I know the show called it that), but even by the end of this episode (so not really any spoilers) they've established that her timeline, viewed from the perspective of the Doctor's timeline (and so therefore, the show's chronology) appears to be hopping back and forth.
The whole walk like you can see thing is just because the angels were afraid of the crack and were operating on base instinct to freeze to rock when they thought Amy could see when she couldn't.
The ultimate Rogues tag team to deal with Weeping Angels: Mirror Master and Doctor Light. One to set up mirrors and the other to light the room. Alternatively, any light-generating or fire-generating superhero/supervillain (Firestorm, either Human Torch, etc.) and a Hall of Mirrors.
Yeah, they're initially super creepy moving, but I think it takes something away when we see them move. And Shane, actually the new showrunner at the time WAS the guy who wrote/created the Angels originally
The simple answer to why Angels don't paint themselves over or cover themselves with blankets assuming they could move is because they wouldn't be able to see. BUT imagine they painted themselves over but wore one-way mirror goggles. Unstoppable
I always figured people being written out of time would be like the chameleon circuits; people would realize the inconsistencies if the thought about it, but they won't ever think too hard about it unless someone explicitly pointed it out.
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"You. Me. Handcuffs. Must it always end this way?" He knows that's exactly how it ends, in the library.
Ah shit, you're right, and he's handcuffed at the library too. River doesn't even know that and she's probably breaking his heart by saying it...
Wolf6120 Yep that’s what I was referring to, the handcuffs.
I never actually thought about that before....
Did you notice that the episode where we meet River has the word Silence in its title?
Romain A. Well whole title is like that - Silence in the forest.
"You trust this man?"
"I absolutely trust him."
"He's not some kind of madman, then?"
"I absolutely trust him."
I love how Aaron gives away nothing spoiler wise. He's so good at containing his reactions and explanations and theories to things that nothing is given away. Good job sir.
"He said something about... The Pandorica? I think it was? Pandorica opening?"
Joshua Varghese I lived for the moments Eric would stare into the camera during GoT. Always gave me a good laugh.
Joshua Varghese Calvin was pretty good at it in Avatar.
yeah, through he's also good at pretending like something that's amazing isn't happening on screen. (like what he did with the rose parts in series 4) and i bet that he's going to do the same when the ------- shows up!
@@kelanbaron7485 they’re all caught up now, so what did this comment mean 4 years ago? When who shows up? That could mean so many things lol
There's a line the Doctor says that often gets missed, just before the angel gets Octavian, "A Cyberking, a giant Cyberman walks over Victorian London and no one even remembers". Obviously referring to the episode The Next Doctor, it resolves/explains a lot of the 'why don't they remember?' moments
Soon he will be here... Best companion: RORY!!!!
Rory is literally my favourite in the entire show. Such a sweetheart...
The opening scene of next episode is one of my highlights of the season
So sad that Rory gets stuck with a person like Amy. He deserves so much better.
Well, I dunno, I still think the best was Sarah Jane. (Rest in peace, Liz Sladen...)
But Rory's very good too, Arthur Davill does a fine job.
Rory TLC IS pretty damn awesome, I just wish they had done more with his memories of TLC storyline
This two-parter has a lot of my favourite lines.
"He's not some kind of madman, then?"... pause... "I absolutely trust him!"
"You'd slow us down, miss Pond." - "I don't wanna sound selfish, but you'd really speed me up."
"You've bought us time though. That's good. I am good with time."
also 11:35 "It's been a while?"
"Yeah. No. No!"
But let's forget about the bit where we saw the angel move...
9:45 YES EMBRACE THE SOUNDTRACK
Murray Gold was a genius.
EVERY...SINGLE...TIME!!! 😂
Also in Blink the doctor said they "turn to stone" when they are being watched which suggests they aren't stone when they aren't being observed.
True, but you can look like stone without actually being stone
I always thought the Angels were moving in between frame
@@SpeedyCheetahCubI assume that the crack in time masked the existence of the viewer and boosted the Angel’s power. This gave them the brief period of time to move between the frames of the episode while we were watching.
@@LordDaret I thought that the angels were moving in between the frames which is why they were moving so slowly when it has been established that they can move very quickly. If you factor in how little time they have to move between each frame, their fast movement appears like normal movement if they didn't stop every frame.
And then that Weeping Angel sent Jorah to Westeros
ha yup
Zak Rosenfeld ...where he would slowly turn to stone.
Now they can picture jorah dying
??? But first he turns to stone and goes insane.
No matter where he goes, he's always protecting a special girl
I'm really happy to see them digging 11th by now, particularly Shane. Regeneration is always a difficult process, but we all end up adapting and loving it eventually.
4:25 Knew that Shane would like him eventually
Shane in The End of Time Part 2 "I don't like him!" 5 episodes later "I like this guy".
Almost feels nostalgic.
The thing about the Angels supposedly moving on screen, is that film cameras have a shutter moving over them between each frame ( thank you TvTropes ). Which means, that for a fraction of a second, the CAMERA IS BLINKING.
The interesting thing about the cracks is that they remove things from history, while leaving paradoxes where things that person did still happened. Hence how the implication of Amy's parents having been removed from time, yet her still being around.
4:30 "I like this guy." That made me smile.
Matt may not have David's sex appeal, but I think he made children feel attached to the doctor in ways that the other Doctors didn't...at least from what I've seen.
Julie Nichols people have different tastes - I don't find Tennant that much attractive - definitely less attractive than Smith and few others new era doctors.
I mean you should never really rate a Doctor based on sex appeal.
Guys, I don't rate Doctors on sex appeal. I was only addressing that because they started talking about how they didn't think Matt Smith was as attractive. :P
Julie Nichols
If that's true, then imagine how much worse Amy's sexual assault on the 10th would be!
@@julienichols5333 i thought women were supposed to like big chins
Some of the angels are statues but they did not have the budget to make anymore than the ones they used in "blink" because they were expensive to make. It took around 12 hours to train the actress's to be perfectly still and about 6 to apply make up for each of them.
This is actually the first episode of this show I ever saw. I pretty much owe it for making a great first impression and making me immediately fall in love with the series.
The Ponderer me too!
Same with me
Dude, this is creepy, me too.
For me the second one.
First was space whale one.
Now we commence the best era of Doctor Who for me. The Amy, Rory, 11 and occasionally River was my favourite time of Who.
Gilanes Agreed absolute golden age
Big Finish Fan I respect that, but the thing I love about Amy and Rory is that they’re around for 2.5 seasons! Season 1-4 never has the same duo for more than one season...
Oh I loved this trio. Amy and Rory and Donna were my favorite companions. Even though 12 is my favorite Doctor :P
Gilanes for me it's the Pertwee era well troughton to early T baker seasons 4- 15
I feel the same way, I feel like Moffat's era seems to make sure that companions save the day (in grand moments) in more than just one episode at the end of the season. Helps to make the companions more likeable, not to say I don't like some of the companions from RTD. Always will be very partial to Donna
Fun fact: these two episodes were the first that Matt Smith filmed.
kaledmasterme Very true and makes it even more impressive and which is the reason why Moffat spent so much focus on these two episodes and not on episodes like" Victory Of The Daleks" by his own admission
21:30 - On the subject of Matt Smith's face (without being mean please, people):
I agree with what I (believe) Stephen Moffat once said, which is he somehow looks incredibly young and yet conveys this ancient "something" at the same time. His features have a great embodiment of those two qualities, which I think makes for a great Doctor aesthetic.
For what it's worth, I consider him an unconventionally handsome chap, and I think it will be a great visage to revisit in some kind of special a couple of Doctors from now, when his looks have fully ripened into the look of an older and wiser being.
Secret MVP: Staring guy...also glad to see that they are enjoying the new doctor
Staring Guy? I don't remember there ever being a staring guy... It's just the two of us here.
The angels are just freaking out because of the crack and assuming Amy can see them. They aren't exactly thinking properly at that stage.
I forgot how much I love how polite angel Bob is
I believe the explanation for "walk like you can see" is that since the angles are still weak and recovering they are being extra cautious and may turn to stone instinctually when they think they are being watched.
Reminder that you're not actually seeing the angels move. In any given frame, they're perfectly still--they're moving *between* frames, when you can't see them. :)
Jen A. Blue.. is this actually a proven fact? Genuinely asking.
BradletS95 Theories. The best shows have elements of ambiguity. Numerous redditors and smart Whovians have posited this idea before on forums and youtube.
To be clear, you're asking me if it's a proven fact that the angels don't move in individual frames of video? Which are, y'know, static images in which *nothing* can move?
wasn't recorded using film, was recorded digitally, no frames.
I'm asking whether it has been stated by the creators of the show if this was indeed happening. But no this is just a theory as I suspected. Nothing wrong with that, but I wanted to be sure.
I met Matt Smith and Karen Gillan on the day the filmed that episode. My late great uncle ran an autograph shop and would work with the BBC for getting autographs for the show and he took me long with him to the beach location in Wales as a surprise. They were so nice and signed me a personal autograph.
Father Octavian is one of the most underrated Who side characters ever. Such a badass and a genuinely touching death scene despite his limited screen time
I love the discussion of Matt Smith's face. I've heard him being referred to as looking like a 'sexy, bent shoe.'
My first reaction from Ten to Eleven's regeneration was "I dont like his face!" Ten is my doctor but I can say by the end of Matt's run he had quite the handsomest of faces lol.
He might not be handsome, but he's charming.
I'm loving the fact that they clearly didn't catch something very significant about one particular scene. 😉
*wink* *wink*
I think I also didn'r catch it. What part are you talking about?
Ailin Ell I don't want to spoil it. I didn't catch it the first time either. Watch the rest of Season Five and you'll see.
I've watched the whole seasons lol! :D Maybe I should re-watch again though I wouldn't mind it if you will spoil it to me!
Ailin Ell The Doctor’s jacket disappears and reappears in one scene
Ah, they didn't notice the Doctor in the tweed and the Doctor without the jacket coexisting.
Ikr really dissapointed in that, hoping they would pick it up
It’s a small detail, but Arron will probably mention it in the season finale, being like look at this tiny and cool detail they added
Didn't anyone notice Matt Smith was bare armed no shirt sleeve at all when he spoke to Amy in the forest?
*"If that's the last time we see them I think it's a pretty good send off..."*
We all wish this was the last time we saw The Angels, but unfortunately....
Titus Orelius The last time we saw them was in the last episode of Class.
As many dumb plot holes as The Angels Take Manhattan has, at least it stuck to the original nature of the Angels more closely, as in Blink. I can forgive it more for that than I can forgive this story for bringing back the Angels but throwing away everything that made them great. It would have made so much more sense if it were a Vashta Nerada story instead.
I know ppl will hate me for this but... Angels Take Manhattan is my favorite angel story. It introduced a lot more timey wimeyness, the whole thing with the book predicting the future is GORGEOUS, the different looking statues being angels leaning into the premise that ANY statue can be an angel, the cherubs displacing you in space instead of time, and finally that dark idea of the misery farm for the angels to fuel on... And on top of all that, the gorgeous pair of scenes of Amy and Rory jumping off the building together and then being taken back in time, it's heartbreaking! And if you consider the minisode P.S. into all that, it is the perfect way to end Amy and Rory while doing the angels justice. It's great.
@@strbourne I don't hate you...I pity you.
LoL, nah just kidding. It's good that we all like different things.
i don’t wish it was the last time i just wish they don’t ruin the angles making them move was the biggest mistake
The next 11 episodes are each gunna have so many great reaction moments. Namely 7 and 10 onwards to the beginning to eps of season 6!
Gilanes oh hello there fellow blind wave viewer XD
UnhappyLemonStudios No fucking way! Yo what up, Hugo! How’s it going?
It's been said before. Matt Smith (especially in the beginning) looks like he doesn't have eyebrows.
Saxonvoter "No they're just delicate"
The real reason he turned into Capaldi
Always over-compensating with the next regeneration, eh?
IT TOOK FIVE EPISODES BUT SHANE IS ON BOARD WITH MATT SMITH - WE DID IT BOYS, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED *HIGH FIVES RANDOM DUDE TO MY LEFT*
Dr. Feelgood “Ladies and Gentlemen..., We got ‘em!”
It's my favourite doctor! I'm so excited to see you react to his adventures.
Alrico98 no, but I only watch the shows they react to here on TH-cam that interest me and I don't comment that often, why?
I don't think that seeing the angels move ruined everything, because there's still so much they can do that we haven't seen. We know that they can send people back in time, snap necks, drain power, and cover twenty feet in a literal blink. Seeing them turn their necks doesn't ruin that for me.
Nathan M especially because, as far as I understand it, the angels not moving on screen because “we can see them” was a fan theory, not actual fact. It’s still a tv show. But I can see why people would come to a conclusion like that.
THANK YOU SIR !!!
it kills the genius of the original episode though
I think the problem is how to raise the tension in a scene when the angels are supposed to be moving. Amy has her eyes closed so there’s no reason for them to not be moving, other than some “instinct” that the Doctor suspects they have.
You could have them creep up on her with a lot of little shots like they did before. But, that works better for bigger movements. I think the audience might not see the small movements required for the scene.
It also makes no sense why people watching the show can freeze the angels. That would make our viewing part of the plot.
Of course Rick Sanchez would totally defeat the angels by explicitly telling the audience to keep an eye on them, if that’s the case.
Not to mention that, for all we know, they still might aggressively chicken dance toward you when they move. ......hope someone understands that reference, though it’s pretty obscure at this point.
I'm sad because they missed, a tiny, important moment...
Doctor "Open your eyes for a second and you'll die
Amy proceeds to keep them open for 10 seconds and his alive.
I really didn't like when we actually saw the Weeping Angels move, ruined one of the best things about Blink. That, You, the Audience were also looking at the angels. When we saw them move here it took me out of it
To be honest I don't really mind. It's been specified before they're only stone when seen, so I think them moving here was 'we may still be watched, so let's be careful and not break the disguise.
I think Moffat understood he made a bad move here. And never showed them moving again.
Why did they sound like stone? Didn't the Doctor way they only turn into stone when someone sees them? Also aren't they meant to be really fast?
Well that's what we were told in blink, that the angels only turn to stone because they're being looked at by something, and they can move insanely fast, which is why even not looking at them for a millisecond whilst blinking can lead to death.
I suspect the showrunners had a massive interal debate on having the angels move.
"You, me, handcuffs. Must it always end this way?" THIS IS SO SAD. The moment River dies, the doctor is handcuffed to a pole. It literally ended that way for her.
only got to wait until 10th April 2019 for the 50th anniversary episode
That was some good face analysis at the end there
The discussion about Matt's face made me chuckle, but it also brought to mind a terrific line from the Classic Who story The City of Death, where Count Scarlioni (the villain of the piece) says, "You pick a quarrel with my face? Be careful I don't pick a quarrel with yours, I may choose sharper implements than words!"
The best way to describe their time lines are the doctor goes forward in time and river goes backward in time
kwars But that's not actually true.
kwars it doesn’t work exactly like that, it’s a bit all over the place.
The 11th Doctor looks like an Old Man trapped in a young mans body
And that's pretty much what the Doctor is!
Wheras The First Doctor was a young man trapped in an Old Man's body
Mid-Life Crisis Doctor. That's Matt Smith in a nutshell.
De Lupe Not really considering *insert spoilers for Eleven’s final episode here*
That doesn't change anything. He dresses in (from his perspective) young man clothes while trying to be hip and cool and trying to show everyone that he's "just like the kids these days".
He is an old man trying to be young again; hence Mid-Life Crisis Doctor.
"You, me, handcuffs... may it always end this way?"
WJWHHWH IN THE LIBRARY EPISODE SHE HANDCUFFS THE DOCTOR TO THE WALL.
SO IT STILL ENDS WITH HANDCUFFS.
When I watched this the first time, I had the same reaction as Eric when seeing them move. I thought something was lost, not because I was attached to not even the audience seeing them move, but because I now know what they look like when they move. In “Blink”, I think the doctor said that the creature turns to stone/a statue when being observed. That made me think that they could look like completely different creatures when not being observed. Similar to a boggart. When no one is looking at them, what do they look like? It’s cool and creates a sort of longing with me not knowing. But now I know moving weeping angels just look like the regular angels moving. Still a dope episode but I would have preferred that that did not happen. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Fun fact, I've been i the wood they filmed that episode. It's called Puzzlewood, and was also used to film The Force Awakens as well as inspiring Tolkein to come up with Fangorn forest.
I believe one of the explanations given for the Weeping Angels moving on screen is that they are moving in between the frames of the video format it's being viewed on or something.
VAMPIRES IN VENICE HERE WE GO!
Great video yet again. You should react to a show called Life on Mars (UK). It’s about 10years old now and has John Simm, definitely worth a watch. Only two seasons and I’d recommend going in completely blind.
The angels are affected by gravity, which means they have mass. Everything with mass exerts a gravitational pull on every other object in the universe. Therefore, if the weeping angels could not move while someone was observing their effects, they would never be able to move at all, because someone always is. It seems like direct visual observation is the key.
"I like this guy" The 11th Doctor has finally gained Shane's approval. And, Calvin, you're right. River is like the Irene Adler to the Doctor's Sherlock Holmes.
The Woman!
It's true, I felt the moving removed something from the weeping angels
They didn't pick up on the 'continuity error'. Disappointed!
It's a shame, I remember when this was first shown and everyone trying to work out what the hell was going on, whether it was just a mistake or whether there was more than one doctor in that scene. I'm surprised that Aaron didn't draw their attention to it, They'll be scratching their heads come The Big Bang.
I love how Thirsty Amy is at the end of this episode LOL
Yes, thirsty to cheat on a great guy like Rory. I always hated Amy for constantly doing that to him.
I always hated it too, not because of her being attracted to a good looking man who's basically a god, but how she was so quick to want to hide it and do it behind Rorys back. Plus they never really address it like it deserves imo.
Titus Orelius I agree I hated it in these few episodes, but what do you mean constantly? I don’t recall her doing it ever again. Could be wrong though
RyanKlip but she still acted awful in other episodes. She isn't the best human being that is out there.
MJM regardless, she didn’t attempt to cheat on him again. That was my question. The only episode I don’t like her in later is “The Girl Who Waited” but that’s it, I like Amy and Rory a lot and I think she’s fine, if not flawed, like a real person.
Also the Doctor explained to River that when Amy was walking through the forest the Weeping Angels were scared of the crack, therefore they weren't paying attention to their surroundings because fear is a rare emotion for the Angels and it caught them off guard. Convenient writing I know but to be fair they did attempt to explain it. Just thought that was worth clarifying, from your end discussion I got the impression you missed that scene.
The big question..did the angels move while being observed or did they only move between the frames..might explain why they seemingly moved so slowly
I was not a fan of Amy moving with her eyes closed around the Angels as well but a comment by the Doctor allowed me better accept it as by this time the Angels were actually scared and running away from the crack, now that they realized it would wipe them out of existence, so this distracted them during Amy's walking deception. Also Amy's counting down was very cool buy even cooler was the reason for it, namely it was done by the Angels just for fun, to scare her even more. I mean the Angels are scary enough but this just made them even worse, which is to say better.
Fun Doctor Who related personal fact: my dad and uncle worked with John Barrowman's dad at Cat in Joliet. When my uncle went to Scotland, JB's dad met up with him and showed him around the town they were at.
Loved the outro with River's theme from Big Finish.
Guys!! Steven Moffat (The Show Runner) wrote “Blink” and he created the Weeping Angels.
Love the outro music from the River Song Diaries!
I now can't unsee the whole Eric eyebrow thing
I always thought the part where the angels remain frozen because they thought she could see was so stupid. At first it was made out to be an automatic response to another creature seeing them, but here it’s something they choose to do. Their powers don’t make sense like this because now they have to guess that the person isn’t looking
4:30 and so Shane enters stage 2 of the Doctor Who effect
They skipped the scene at 6:00 but something I never noticed before: when the Doctor comes back and tells Amy "remember what I told you when you were 7" he's wearing his jacket, despite loosing it to the Angels earlier and still not having it in the next scene.
Turning to stone is a defense mechanism against harm. Hence why, when the Weeping Angels come across the blind Amy, they still freeze: they recognize her as a threat to their normal form and prioritize defense.
Just as the Weeping Angels continued to drain the ship of its energy while also trying to escape the crack and time and convince the Doctor to throw himself into it.
Their intelligence is ultimately superseded by their base instincts to feed and their natural defense system.
8:40
I think the point is that the angels also have their eyes closed, so that they don’t turn each other to stone. So walking like you can see makes them believe that you’re watching them, even if they can’t see you.
I hope they react to the minisode after this; it gives more context for the scene at the end and it has some really great moments for such a short clip
This where 'Meanwhile In The TARDIS 2' absolutely needs to be watched.
If it helps; someone said to me (and I think a couple of other comments on here, too!) that the angels are moving between each frame change on our screens!!
Also, as they don’t seem to “freeze into rock” like Ten told us they did in Blink, I feel as though that backs up the between-the-frames theory, because they don’t
change!
The theme song ALWAYS get's me hyped omg its amazing
One of the best Smith two-parters.Particularly the death of Father Octavian
i love seeing shane having fun and enjoying matt's doctor and the soundtrack
Given the information of the Weeping Angels we got... I always consider them to be a species that was never corporeal in the first place. They merely attach themselves to actual stone as part of their biology, which would make all the traits possible.
The Angels are, indeed, "abstract beings" as the Doctor referred to them -- the statues, in-and-of-themselves, aren't actually the Angels but rather simply hold the (metaphysical) _image_ of them (the abstract concept of them as manifested in the physical universe vs the outside-of-reality where they emanate from). As they gain power and learn how to slowly "dissolve" the universe around them by unmaking it, as they attempted to do in "The Angels Take Manhattan", they can usurp/corrupt other abstract concepts and use those manifested concepts to exist in the physical universe, such as when they took over the metaphysical essence/meaning of _other_ statues in NY at that point of temporal incursion (the cherubs, The Frontier Woman and her son, The Statue of Liberty (both the physical monument as well as the image-as-it-existed on the poster in the elevator, etc.). Pretty cool stuff when you think about it... ;)
I remember going to the doctor who experience in Cardiff and having to walk through the forest of angels, safe to say I shit myself that day.
23:26 "Matt Smith, if you're watching this: You're not my favorite Doctor, but I think your face is okay." I'm fucking dying over here.
Matt Smith's first appearance at The End of Time pt 2
Shane "Fuck this guy"
5 episodes later
Shane "I like this guy"
When the ‘madman in box’ theme kicks in 🤟
We better get ‘meanwhile in the tradis part 2’
I thought it was explain that the angel were running scared and because amy was there, they froze up, not realizing she was not looking.
The soldier that was the staring soldier, the last one to vanish into the crack, played Spoony in Dog Soldiers :)
I never liked this retcon of the Angels, It doesn't make sense to me that the Quantum lock that makes them turn to stone would work if you were pretending to see. The Idea is that until something is being actually observed, it is in constant shift, kinda like schrodinger's cat, which wouldnt work with this. Still, fun story, and its always fun to see River!
Yh even if it did make sense, she clearly turns her back to some angels as she's walking through them so they would kill her anyway
I mean, I can understand the idea that the angels are panicking from the crack in reality, so they're just activating their Quantum lock more than necessary just to be on the safe side. The problem is, though, that there's no in-between. Either the angels can only activate their quantum lock consciously, in which case it's a miracle none of them ever fuck up and get caught, or it always activates automatically when they're being observed. If it's the latter, and they ALWAYS turn to stone when being observed, then why the Hell would they turn to stone around Amy because they're scared. If they have 100% certainty that the Quantum lock will activate on its own whenever they're being seen, then they have no reason to worry about being seen without knowing about it.
I guess I never saw it like that, being an ability that they chose to use, that would make sense, and because they move so quickly they maybe perceive time slower (Flash style) and are just super accurate with it. I always assumed it was like the universe locking them in place, making them a fixed point, as apposed to in a state of flux because that would break time or something lol. Cool idea tho!
Well see, I don't think it CAN be something that the Angels themselves choose to turn on and off, because if it was, why the Hell would they keep it on in situations like the end of Blink? Surely those angels stuck in a cellar would realize "Oh, the only one looking at me is other angels, so I can turn this off again". In fact realistically there'd be no reason for them to *ever* turn it on in any of the instances we've seen them, since it's meant to be a defense mechanism, and yet we've only ever seen them act as predators, not the prey.
So it HAS to be something that happens on its own whenever the angel is seen by another living being. But if that's the case, then it doesn't make sense for them to be "scared" of Amy seeing them and activating it "just in case" because there's no way she could accidentally see their true form if the quantum lock activates on its own.
Another interpretation is that maybe the Angels COULDNT kill Amy? like when that Dalek randomly Decided not to kill that women during the stolen earth story, because it knew she was a fixed point and needed to keep living for some reason. If Amy died from that Angel, then she wouldnt be (SPOILERS).....
alive to give birth to River, and that would fuck all kinds of stuff up. But then you could Apply that logic to literally anything in this show and use it to write off plot armor...just a thought!
Eric is spot on in his speculation about how the Angels are filmed by the way. They do indeed use the freeze frame technique he describes
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When Amy was walking with her eyes closed the doctor said they ain’t paying attention to any since they were scared from the crack in time and were running from it so they would assume she could see them
I have to keep reminding myself that River Song’s future is the reverse of the Doctor’s but everything else is Spoilers
Not so much in reverse (yeah, I know the show called it that), but even by the end of this episode (so not really any spoilers) they've established that her timeline, viewed from the perspective of the Doctor's timeline (and so therefore, the show's chronology) appears to be hopping back and forth.
The whole walk like you can see thing is just because the angels were afraid of the crack and were operating on base instinct to freeze to rock when they thought Amy could see when she couldn't.
The ultimate Rogues tag team to deal with Weeping Angels: Mirror Master and Doctor Light. One to set up mirrors and the other to light the room.
Alternatively, any light-generating or fire-generating superhero/supervillain (Firestorm, either Human Torch, etc.) and a Hall of Mirrors.
I love watching you guys watch this
The scene with future doctor always gets me
Each time the doctor and river meet the closer it is to the first time they meet
As the first time they meet was the death of river song
I love River Song and no one else does - it's such a shame
Izzy belle I do!
Yeah, they're initially super creepy moving, but I think it takes something away when we see them move. And Shane, actually the new showrunner at the time WAS the guy who wrote/created the Angels originally
Honestly, I was on board with 11 from “Basically, run.” But this episode is where he started to become my favorite.
The simple answer to why Angels don't paint themselves over or cover themselves with blankets assuming they could move is because they wouldn't be able to see. BUT imagine they painted themselves over but wore one-way mirror goggles. Unstoppable
I always figured people being written out of time would be like the chameleon circuits; people would realize the inconsistencies if the thought about it, but they won't ever think too hard about it unless someone explicitly pointed it out.