If the motive of this business was to make money, I'll go with Peter's offer rather than struggling and keeping the products on the shelves and selling in bits
As a keen golfer, I do not see this taking off at all. The carry bag is a fairly small portion of the market, overpowered by cart and buggy users. Even then, your standard carry bag is a only kilo more but adds the water resistant element and the travel capability.
@@SiLoMixMaster I go that. You can tell how young Peter is. I was trying to point out that this product would not make it even today due to the way people play golf. Didn't want to make it too obvious that it hasn't succeeded because that's cheating lol.
So many of these entrepreneurs are deluded. They seem to think they have the new google or Facebook. And the funny thing is.. you never see them again! Should have taken the offer
God, and they're brothers-in-law too. I imagine there's been some awkward Christmases in the years since, because surely Joe must have realised eventually that Mark effectively torpedoed their company here.
to loose their company to Peter? Sure it was. and the icing on the cake, once they loose the company to Peter, you are out of the job too. Very acceptable.
These guys are no longer operating. Shut down in the mid-2000s. The product appears to still be on sale on Amazon (don't know the company behind it now) but it has horrible reviews.
As a golfer I couldn’t think of a worse way of carrying my clubs. It’s not even a new idea. There used to be a contraption like this years ago, it was held like a brief case but similar otherwise. What happens if it rains? How do you keep your clubs dry? Where do you keep your accessories, wet weather clothes etc? A golfer knows what he needs. This is not something that is required. I’m out.
Business partner was too affected by the arrogance of the Dragons, fact is, its not a great idea and they needed a major boost in cash and influence to make it work. Should have taken Peter's offer.
Can’t seem to find any information on the company at all (other than a feature in a golf blog under ridiculous golf item of the week). Looks like they kept their 100% (80%) of nothing.
You can't find anything because you don't know how to use Google?! There's a wealth of information on Companies House about the financial and legal status of this company.
Clubs aren't protected should it start to rain. Setting them unprotected on the grass no great. Where and how do you store them in the garage? Horizontal not vertical.
I believe in a parallel universe there’s a TH-cam comment section where the jokes are all about Jenny saying YES to all the pitches - especially the ones that seem terrible .
Then, in later seasons, after Jenny went bankrupt after a long string of questionable investments, people would still post comments under terrible pitches, saying that if she were still around, she'd be all over the product ^^...
I bought one of these at a golf show and it was really good, for a while. In the summer sun the plastic frame got too hot, softened and it completely collapsed dropping the clubs everwhere. I had to carry my clubs under my arm for the rest of the round, then chucked it in the bin afterwards!
Absolutely. That's how you look upon it. The offer of a dragon actively involved in your business AND giving you free cash is once in a life-time opportunity. And probably the difference between major success and struggling for years and years or failure for many. It astonishes me that some turn down offers because of the equity requested by dragons for their time and involvement. And others with a reasonable offer haggle down to ridiculous equity levels below 10% which is an insult to these dragons and the fastest way to lose them. Especially if the business (as good as the product and people behind it might be) has no proven sales, assets or track record.
Why is it greedy? They want the Dragons' money, their time, their contacts, their ability to open doors and get their product into the mainstream. They are clearly struggling at the moment and just money invested is not enough sometimes. I would much rather own 50% of something with a Dragon that makes millions of pounds than 100% of something that makes very little. Look at Levi Roots, he used to sell a few thousand bottles of sauce at the Notting Hill Carnival but he gave a big chunk away to Peter for his investment and is now a multi millionaire.
100k for 20% just to get in front the Den. Then a refusal to offer about the same percentage terms to get in front of the world. Epic math failure, really, really dumb.
Where are you meant to put your tees, golf balls, pitch repairer, jumpers, golf jacket, golf gloves etc Most people that play golf have their bags stuffed with accesories
Exactly, its a dumb product. A bag on a pull along buggy is the best option. They even have a seat on them so you can take a rest. Theres so many accessories you cant hold with their product.
It's a product which promotes one's worst golfing nightmares - wet grips, and is incapable of storing all of one's essentials eg. waterproofs, hat, food, drink etc. With electric trollies and carts 'weight' is really not a significant golfing issue.
As someone who played golf in the past, the product with the extra shoulder strap is certainly better than the usual methods of carrying clubs around the course, and it also provides better organisation of the golf clubs. The thing is for me personally I would buy a buggy because it is easier than carrying clubs no matter how you carry them. So personally I would design it so it can also be either placed on a buggy (doesn't look possible at the moment), or design it so that it has its own wheels (maybe with detachable parts for those that want to carry it, or a separate version of the product). If one added an option with wheels it would be like two products in one. The other issue I see with the product though is when it rains. A normal bag covers the clubs better, so something to fix that might also be possible.
No this time it was fair and pretty respectful he admitted that he didn't know much about Peter and simply wanted clarification about his specialties. Each one has a niche, Touker has the international distribution network, Tej with the medical backers, Peter on the tech side, Deborah with construction, Jenny with being Out. I've seen some that were like "Oh yeah well who are you?" But yeah that irritates me like you're here asking these people to give you money, just not so much the people who do just seem very out of touch with the show and the backgrounds of the people on it. Keep in mind some of these people get approached at trade shows and they may never have even watched Dragon's Den or Shark Tank.
The annoying thing is you have to take it off every time you need to snap in or remove a club. A golf bag you can just toss the clubs straight into a bag.
I think it was unfair for Peter to ask for the man to quit his job that monday, the man may not even have any sort of emergency fund and Peter didnt exactly offer him a wage as part of the deal. Other than that it was a generous deal specially from Peter!
Peter and the other Dragons in recent years have demanded entrepreneurs to quit their day jobs and I always thought that was an outrageous ask when these people are making ends meet for their families.
I don't. They are asking for a big investment and should be full time on the job. Perhaps they should delay then going into Dragons Den until they are earning some kind of wage. However that is not an investor's responsibility. These are business people, not government grants.
125k 10 years ago, he would be able to take a salary out of that, if the business didn't do well. Look at it from Peters perspective, if he wants to make back 125k at 26%, the business would have to profit 600k, meaning the other owners would be getting the other 475k, now peter wants more than just a flat return in 2 to 3 years, so lets say 800k profit at least, now are you going to balk at that much profit? the guy probably made 60k a year doing his day job. The brother in law was just dumb imo.
Rubbish idea, lucky to get offered anything for it. The golf clubs would get drenched in the rain making the grips on the clubs useless. Bags are already lightweight and there's alternative options for people who don't want to carry their clubs so the market for this bag doesn't even exist. Also golfers tend to put much more accessory's in the bag then this offers.
Hahahaha... the guy’s realization at the end that, “Oh. Maybe we are just like the other inventors who think they can do it by themselves and hastily turn down a good offer.”
Lol these guys made a terrible decision. They didn’t even know anything about Peter and just shrugged him off as some random business man. Surely they regret it now
This is a bad product.. Not practical for a golfer at all.. I’m surprised Peter wanted to invest. The whole point of a golf bag is to keep my excess tees, balls, scorecard etc.. Can’t see any golfer buying this
BIG Mistake from the investees. They could have been millionaires from that deal but the Inventor's friend is ignorant and child-like to the inventor's detrement.
If the marketing lead guy hadn't had equity, I think Peter would have made firing him a condition of the deal. The guy is in charge of sales, but is only selling 2 a day on average. He gave away 1000 clubs but only sold 1250. Then, he leaves his brother to do the sales pitch to the Dragons without him, and when the brother actually succeeds, turns down every proposal Peter makes. I wouldn't be surprised if he just wanted the free publicity, but his brother thought he actually wanted a deal.
Poor idea...a golf bag also keeps your clubs protected, and dry when it rains. Also, if you can't carry a bag around a ful round, you can at least use a trolley and still get good exercise...
A little “birdie” told Evan that this “pitch” would be below “par”. Indeed, when the manager of the company joined discussions it was clear he was a “bogey” man from the start. Sadly the business wasn’t on “course” thus denying the entrepreneurs a personal “driver”.
Peters offer was negotiable to %20 if they had the balls, but still then all on offer was borderline worth it until Peter offered that celebrity spotlight... This access can cost well over the extra 120k that the extra 10% is "worth"
The usp of it is that it's supposedly significantly lighter than a bag. Indeed it is. But the bag is only about 10% of the weight of a set of clubs, brolly, balls, car keys, wallet, phone, jacket etc. So at best the weight saving is imperceptible. Plus, a trolley works fine.
4:13 I was literally waiting for a dragon to say what I thought lol it's far easier just to put your clubs on the back of an electronic golf cart and let the cart do all the carrying for you...
I think its amazing and me and my golfing buddies know alot of people will buy it it's not selling because marketing is not there game with the right marketing this would sell really well and we are willing to buy tomorrow with alot of clubs that will put in there shops online golfing is the way forward overseas this would be big too
One function of a golf bag is to keep the clubs dry in rainy weather - the handles of the golf clubs go in first and the 'business ends' stick out of the top. The A-frame is open to the weather, so you'd need a towel to dry the club before you could get a good grip. I don't play golf but I've been a caddy for pocket money as a boy. Golfers spend a fortune on clubs and gadgets that promise to improve their game but this A-frame looks too simple, to un-macho to excite the competitive (generally) male.
"Don't be bullied Joe", as he bullies him.
Ikr!
Great observation. So many 'likes' for your comment in a short space of time.
Exactly
Exactly what I was thinking!!
Lmfao
'He thinks we're poor...which we are' lol 13:03
If the motive of this business was to make money, I'll go with Peter's offer rather than struggling and keeping the products on the shelves and selling in bits
As a keen golfer, I do not see this taking off at all. The carry bag is a fairly small portion of the market, overpowered by cart and buggy users. Even then, your standard carry bag is a only kilo more but adds the water resistant element and the travel capability.
@@Karma-qt4ji This episode was 15 years ago
@@SiLoMixMaster I go that. You can tell how young Peter is. I was trying to point out that this product would not make it even today due to the way people play golf. Didn't want to make it too obvious that it hasn't succeeded because that's cheating lol.
I would have highlighted the selling point for showing off your clubs.... a thing that all golfers secretly love too do!!
So many of these entrepreneurs are deluded. They seem to think they have the new google or Facebook. And the funny thing is.. you never see them again! Should have taken the offer
Expert tip: do not allow your unemployed brother in law you felt bad for and gave a job lead your business negotiations!
God, and they're brothers-in-law too. I imagine there's been some awkward Christmases in the years since, because surely Joe must have realised eventually that Mark effectively torpedoed their company here.
Disagree! I’m glad he held his own.
@@Aspire2Bsum1 lol really , and it never went anywhere 😂 easy to see you aint a businessman , how's living on the social benefits working out
The business partner was too emotional. Thinking offers are personal. Rockie mistake
Rockie mistake was letting Apolla fight Clubber Lang
Pilkie101 You mean Rocky, and Apollo creed didn’t fight clubber Lang
@@JasonX2 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@richardmoores he meant Rookie and in his imagination there was a fight th-cam.com/video/44a0neAAf0Q/w-d-xo.html
Only rocks would make suck and error.
The real question is how these brothers (in-law) relationship is doing now! Terrible negotiation. Not even a counter offer
Barely any sales yet they want 125K for 12.5% lol what clowns, Peter's offer was more than acceptable
to loose their company to Peter? Sure it was. and the icing on the cake, once they loose the company to Peter, you are out of the job too. Very acceptable.
@@Ludak021 lose*
Ludak021 50 odd percent of something - heck 10 percent of something big - is far better than 100 % of nothing . . . . . Which they now have
@@Ludak021 You can't even spell 'lose", Peter needs 51% of the equity to fire anyone in the company. You don't know what you're talking about.
@@Ludak021 lose your company for 26.5%??? What you smoking?
Big mistake, bringing that partner up hahaha
Need to get rid of the partner.
I like how it cut to Peter Jones fanning a big wad of cash just as the other guy was saying he's arrogant. Clever editing lol.
Peter was willing to give them his time. Silly silly guys.
Lol Simon Woodruff is out before the show even begins!😄
These guys are no longer operating. Shut down in the mid-2000s. The product appears to still be on sale on Amazon (don't know the company behind it now) but it has horrible reviews.
As a golfer I couldn’t think of a worse way of carrying my clubs. It’s not even a new idea. There used to be a contraption like this years ago, it was held like a brief case but similar otherwise.
What happens if it rains? How do you keep your clubs dry? Where do you keep your accessories, wet weather clothes etc?
A golfer knows what he needs. This is not something that is required. I’m out.
It has a sheet for the rain in addition it has a extra bag which you could add at the back to store your clothes. This was a proto type
Business partner was too affected by the arrogance of the Dragons, fact is, its not a great idea and they needed a major boost in cash and influence to make it work. Should have taken Peter's offer.
1st rule of any negotiation in business; check your ego
Arrogance? None of them sounded the least bit arrogant. It's called fiscal responsibility.
Bold of them to dismiss Pizza Jones so abruptly
One bite.. Everyone knows the rules
@Corey Bartonwelcome to our inside joke!
@@SunilSingh-zn4zm damn I want to know the inside joke now
Pizza because he takes such huge chunks of the company xD ?
Hahaha
@@Fiskie666 nah haha but that's a good thought! Turn on the subtitles/closed captions. They call him Pizza Jones in it haha
Way back when businesses like this didn’t know who Peter Jones REALLY is.
ANYONE who sees Peter on the course using this item would WANT TO BUY ONE.
Business partner had his own agenda. I’ll leave it there
I thought so too
Yeah something feels greasy about the way he was acting.
"Don't be bullied" said the bully.
Can’t seem to find any information on the company at all (other than a feature in a golf blog under ridiculous golf item of the week). Looks like they kept their 100% (80%) of nothing.
You can't find anything because you don't know how to use Google?!
There's a wealth of information on Companies House about the financial and legal status of this company.
A few comments up a guy looked them up they are worth less than 10 grand
What if it rains? You aren't supposed to have your clubs wet all day on an 18 hole. That will ruin them.
First thing I thought of too!
I've played a lot of golf in a lot of places. I have never seen anyone using one of these.
Not even Peter Jones?
No place for balls, extra clothing, refreshments, umbrella. As an idea it’s a non starter.
Clubs aren't protected should it start to rain. Setting them unprotected on the grass no great.
Where and how do you store them in the garage? Horizontal not vertical.
No one would entertain walking on a golf course with that. Never ever seen it anywhere.
The only reason it made sense not to take the deal, is Peter's demand he quit his day job
They are crazy to turn down that offer
I believe in a parallel universe there’s a TH-cam comment section where the jokes are all about Jenny saying YES to all the pitches - especially the ones that seem terrible .
Then, in later seasons, after Jenny went bankrupt after a long string of questionable investments, people would still post comments under terrible pitches, saying that if she were still around, she'd be all over the product ^^...
To envisage a 'Jenny: "I'm in" universe' requires a very powerful imagination.
There's also a video that includes Brian's figures.
What's everyone's obsession with her? She's not even in this episode.
'Peter to tell someone, "Quit your current job," is easier said than done.'
I bought one of these at a golf show and it was really good, for a while. In the summer sun the plastic frame got too hot, softened and it completely collapsed dropping the clubs everwhere. I had to carry my clubs under my arm for the rest of the round, then chucked it in the bin afterwards!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 bet you looked a right w⚓️ do you still play off 24……
4:54 and 5:01 Continuity crisis with Rachel’s hair. Also notice how the water in the glass mysteriously fills up! 🤣🤣🤣
Everyone is binging Netflix
Here i am binging Dragons den
..."bingeing" ... rather than "binging" ...
Not enough skin in the game with Netflix right now and for tha reason, I'm out.
I wish netflix had dragons den the real episodes are so hard to find outside of england
Who's been waiting for Jenny's I'm out compilation?
There you have it th-cam.com/video/oyGdrPGOUaE/w-d-xo.html
People rather have 90% or zero instead of 75% of something huge. I have seen this ego mistake several times
Absolutely. That's how you look upon it. The offer of a dragon actively involved in your business AND giving you free cash is once in a life-time opportunity. And probably the difference between major success and struggling for years and years or failure for many. It astonishes me that some turn down offers because of the equity requested by dragons for their time and involvement. And others with a reasonable offer haggle down to ridiculous equity levels below 10% which is an insult to these dragons and the fastest way to lose them. Especially if the business (as good as the product and people behind it might be) has no proven sales, assets or track record.
@trueway82 still, rather have 55% of a big business than 80% of a non business
Would rather have 10% of a 10 million pound business than 99% of a 100k pound business.
The dragons are always greedy
Touker : 35 to 40%
Deborah: 15 to 25%
peter: 25 to 50%
Tej: 25 to 30%
Jenny: out
except Tej of course
Why is it greedy? They want the Dragons' money, their time, their contacts, their ability to open doors and get their product into the mainstream. They are clearly struggling at the moment and just money invested is not enough sometimes. I would much rather own 50% of something with a Dragon that makes millions of pounds than 100% of something that makes very little. Look at Levi Roots, he used to sell a few thousand bottles of sauce at the Notting Hill Carnival but he gave a big chunk away to Peter for his investment and is now a multi millionaire.
@@glenryan8299 idk if you've heard of my new product, 'jokes' but that was an example of one.
Glen Ryan He also got Richard Farleigh too...
Funnily when Jenny makes an offer, she actually asks for the least.
100k for 20% just to get in front the Den. Then a refusal to offer about the same percentage terms to get in front of the world. Epic math failure, really, really dumb.
This kind of stubborn inflexibility isn't conducive to making good business relationships It's more likely to alienate
Goes both ways. Peter only made one offer too and was unwillingly to ask for less...
@@rje613 um, no.u missed the point, DIDN'T YA!
Watching old episodes back you see how shrewd Peter was/is compared to the other dragons.
Deals do not always go through....Jones is being a monster asking him to chuck his job in straight away when he is looking after his family
The brother in law is very unlikable.
Duncan looked more spaced out than those clubs @ 3:23
"They need us more than we need them" - mmm, where have I heard that before?
Where are you meant to put your tees, golf balls, pitch repairer, jumpers, golf jacket, golf gloves etc Most people that play golf have their bags stuffed with accesories
Yup.. my bag is overflowing.
The caddy holds onto them....
Exactly, its a dumb product. A bag on a pull along buggy is the best option. They even have a seat on them so you can take a rest. Theres so many accessories you cant hold with their product.
No glove pouch, no cooler pouch, no ball pouch, no equipment pouch....
Good luck.
It's a product which promotes one's worst golfing nightmares - wet grips, and is incapable of storing all of one's essentials eg. waterproofs, hat, food, drink etc. With electric trollies and carts 'weight' is really not a significant golfing issue.
As someone who played golf in the past, the product with the extra shoulder strap is certainly better than the usual methods of carrying clubs around the course, and it also provides better organisation of the golf clubs. The thing is for me personally I would buy a buggy because it is easier than carrying clubs no matter how you carry them. So personally I would design it so it can also be either placed on a buggy (doesn't look possible at the moment), or design it so that it has its own wheels (maybe with detachable parts for those that want to carry it, or a separate version of the product). If one added an option with wheels it would be like two products in one. The other issue I see with the product though is when it rains. A normal bag covers the clubs better, so something to fix that might also be possible.
It’s an absolutely shite idea, coming from a 7 handicapper
Have you ever seen 1 of these on a course or a pro using it ?
These guys will be wishing they'd signed the deal for the rest of their lives
The brother in laws laugh after their discussion screams narcissist to me. Wow.🤣 nevermind the rest of his behaviour
Thought that Doug would be interested in things that go into little holes, !
I see what you did there
13-year olds dude
@XymXir www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-34446760
Peter Mcintosh He obviously paid the victim off, can you believe that Doug was cleared👿
Damn!!!!!
I would decline doug richard no matter what he offered. Not that he ever offers in the first place
Anderson Aldo me too. He’s just unpleasant.
Would you turn down an online date with him? 😂
What if he offered to be your daddy?
Lol I understand your name Anderson aldo, the Reebok shorts
@@lukeflaherty4806 😂😂 Respect
Thank you for downloading these episodes I have not seen these before great fun.
Whenever a person pitching receives an offer then says” what could you offer me” I cringe at their insulting behavior and lack of common sense.
No this time it was fair and pretty respectful he admitted that he didn't know much about Peter and simply wanted clarification about his specialties. Each one has a niche, Touker has the international distribution network, Tej with the medical backers, Peter on the tech side, Deborah with construction, Jenny with being Out. I've seen some that were like "Oh yeah well who are you?" But yeah that irritates me like you're here asking these people to give you money, just not so much the people who do just seem very out of touch with the show and the backgrounds of the people on it. Keep in mind some of these people get approached at trade shows and they may never have even watched Dragon's Den or Shark Tank.
I can't believe both these guys come to pitch their business with shirts creased to the fullest.
"If hes willing to sell 26% for that amount i'd probably buy it" should of held him to that since he tanked the business into the ground
Peter: I like the way you're negotiating, so I'm going to double the equity!
@@wordyword.298 Haha, lol!
I'd rather pay £600 for a battery trolly than that. And I do.
Does anyone else immediately google these companies on old dragons den to see if they made it or went bust? :D
I'll watch several episodes and then look them up. Always interesting!
Sometimes. At times i know I'm my gut they failed, or i know in my gut they where on to something. In those cases i go crazy on the googles
@@jaynebutler3342 - hello, please how do you get the info to look them up on google for a progress report.
The annoying thing is you have to take it off every time you need to snap in or remove a club. A golf bag you can just toss the clubs straight into a bag.
'This guys playing hardball.'
And thats when we knew - he f*cked up.
*starts raining on the back 9
"Good thing I bought this lightweight club holder with no cover over it"
‘he thinks we’re poor, which we are’ 🤣
Won't the clubs get wet ! 😂
I think it was unfair for Peter to ask for the man to quit his job that monday, the man may not even have any sort of emergency fund and Peter didnt exactly offer him a wage as part of the deal. Other than that it was a generous deal specially from Peter!
Peter and the other Dragons in recent years have demanded entrepreneurs to quit their day jobs and I always thought that was an outrageous ask when these people are making ends meet for their families.
I don't think it's unreasonable, considering the amount of time it takes to get a business going, if you want to go big.
I don't. They are asking for a big investment and should be full time on the job. Perhaps they should delay then going into Dragons Den until they are earning some kind of wage. However that is not an investor's responsibility. These are business people, not government grants.
would you give someone £125k if they are only going to work on it at lunch time and weekends?
125k 10 years ago, he would be able to take a salary out of that, if the business didn't do well.
Look at it from Peters perspective, if he wants to make back 125k at 26%, the business would have to profit 600k, meaning the other owners would be getting the other 475k, now peter wants more than just a flat return in 2 to 3 years, so lets say 800k profit at least, now are you going to balk at that much profit? the guy probably made 60k a year doing his day job.
The brother in law was just dumb imo.
Felt like Peters offer was generous, was expecting 30%
No because they'd be giving away to investors 50% total.
As a golfer this is a ridiculous piece of equipment.
Rubbish idea, lucky to get offered anything for it. The golf clubs would get drenched in the rain making the grips on the clubs useless. Bags are already lightweight and there's alternative options for people who don't want to carry their clubs so the market for this bag doesn't even exist. Also golfers tend to put much more accessory's in the bag then this offers.
Do the Dragons only have one project at a time? If not, why are they telling people off for having more than one project?
Hahahaha... the guy’s realization at the end that, “Oh. Maybe we are just like the other inventors who think they can do it by themselves and hastily turn down a good offer.”
Lol these guys made a terrible decision. They didn’t even know anything about Peter and just shrugged him off as some random business man. Surely they regret it now
This is a bad product.. Not practical for a golfer at all.. I’m surprised Peter wanted to invest. The whole point of a golf bag is to keep my excess tees, balls, scorecard etc.. Can’t see any golfer buying this
Big fool is bullying the one with glasses
You can see who’s invested money rather than time into the business
Where do you keep your extra golf balls, tees, etc??
What a complete plonker of a business 'partner'.. If he was my brother in law, I would do my very best to get rid of him asap!
BIG Mistake from the investees. They could have been millionaires from that deal but the Inventor's friend is ignorant and child-like to the inventor's detrement.
The guy is actually the inventors brother-in-law, not just a friend!
If the marketing lead guy hadn't had equity, I think Peter would have made firing him a condition of the deal. The guy is in charge of sales, but is only selling 2 a day on average. He gave away 1000 clubs but only sold 1250. Then, he leaves his brother to do the sales pitch to the Dragons without him, and when the brother actually succeeds, turns down every proposal Peter makes. I wouldn't be surprised if he just wanted the free publicity, but his brother thought he actually wanted a deal.
I'm a Golfer - I wouldn't buy it.
Poor idea...a golf bag also keeps your clubs protected, and dry when it rains. Also, if you can't carry a bag around a ful round, you can at least use a trolley and still get good exercise...
absolutely dog shite idea
A little “birdie” told Evan that this “pitch” would be below “par”. Indeed, when the manager of the company joined discussions it was clear he was a “bogey” man from the start. Sadly the business wasn’t on “course” thus denying the entrepreneurs a personal “driver”.
I see what you did there
murrmac yes I tried not to make it too obvious.
Was waiting for Evan's inevitable puns... They didn't come this time, but you've more than made up for it. Should have been fore-armed!
Guys... on that note I’m out.
@@Anna.T. Are you Jenny incognito?
Should have left him downstairs…. ✋🙄⛳️
Peters offer was negotiable to %20 if they had the balls, but still then all on offer was borderline worth it until Peter offered that celebrity spotlight... This access can cost well over the extra 120k that the extra 10% is "worth"
I would have offered him 25% with the proviso if they hit repay him back within the first year his equity drops down to 12.5%
The thing needs wheels. Lifting, carrying, dropping it 70 times plus during a game will just be a nuisance.
Peter's offer was awesome. Big mistake not taking it.
This is a clear cut example why you should run your business solo.
The usp of it is that it's supposedly significantly lighter than a bag. Indeed it is. But the bag is only about 10% of the weight of a set of clubs, brolly, balls, car keys, wallet, phone, jacket etc. So at best the weight saving is imperceptible. Plus, a trolley works fine.
it doesnt have a rain sheet?
Peter Jones could have asked the brother in law what he did to grow the business
"Don't let yourself be bullied" all while bullying him into not accepting an offer he wants for his company.
And when it pisses with rain how does the A frame cope with that?
Don’t be bullied said the bully 🤣🤣🤣🤣
as a golfer - sadly very little need or desire for this - smart dragons
how do you keep the clubs dry???
Just in time for lunch. 😊
Dragons den + lunch = heaven
Waiting for @OwsmeMusic to say you're conditioned
Hahaha snap
Every time lol
What happens when it rains... wet grips...
4:13 I was literally waiting for a dragon to say what I thought lol it's far easier just to put your clubs on the back of an electronic golf cart and let the cart do all the carrying for you...
I think its amazing and me and my golfing buddies know alot of people will buy it it's not selling because marketing is not there game with the right marketing this would sell really well and we are willing to buy tomorrow with alot of clubs that will put in there shops online golfing is the way forward overseas this would be big too
That non bald dude 😂
Well, I hope for their sake I'm wrong but with Peter's connections that seemed to be the worst decision I've ever seen on Dragon's Den.
They didn’t value the dragons…they didn’t even do research before coming on the show 🤦🏾♂️ silly men
Am I missing something?? What happens when it rains??!!
they dont play golf in the rain dummy
It holds an umbrella as well as the clubs
I was thinking the same. Your grips would get soaked!
@@andrewgarland5445 I do.
@@andrewgarland5445 I've certainly played in the rain, and the grips would be screwed. No wonder this shite never took off
One function of a golf bag is to keep the clubs dry in rainy weather - the handles of the golf clubs go in first and the 'business ends' stick out of the top. The A-frame is open to the weather, so you'd need a towel to dry the club before you could get a good grip. I don't play golf but I've been a caddy for pocket money as a boy. Golfers spend a fortune on clubs and gadgets that promise to improve their game but this A-frame looks too simple, to un-macho to excite the competitive (generally) male.
I like the older episodes. Especially this building setting I just think it was the better series.