6233 'Duchess of Sutherland' Storms and Struggles on the GB XII - Day One & Two - 2019
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- The 12th instalment of the Railway Touring Company's Great Britain 9 day tour saw a clockwise approach heading down to Devon for the first couple of days before heading north to Scotland via Wales. PRLCT's LMS 6233 'Duchess of Sutherland' had the honours of hauling the first three days to Plymouth (day 1), Minehead (day 4) and Preston (day 3). I captured the first two days at Pangbourne, Thingley, Bedminster, Whiteball, Dainton and on the dock sidings at Plymouth on Day 1 and struggling to walking pace on Hemerdon, Exeter St David, Yatton, Berkley and Witham Friary.
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Another brilliantly made video - highly professional and well done! 😎👍😎
Very well done filming Tom 👍😉 I certainly like the snece of Duchess of Sutherland struggling and the departure at Exeter st Davis. I hope Great Central & Nene Valley Railways will have the locomotive in the near future for a gala or something. I've got good new, I've buy a new Panasonic camcorder which can take a microphone and the camcorder in question is HC-V770.
Very dramatic. Thanks for sharing.
Tremendous footage :)
Wonderful!
Big wheels keep on turning
Proud Duchess keeps on burning
Rolling... rolling... rolling down the railroad
Very impressive footage, thank you for sharing.
Very good video :)
5029 with assitance from 47784 was the best run I ever had over here. 47 was wide open from Mutley all the way to linespeed nearly then 1/3 way up the bank 5029 unleashed what could only be described as obsolute hell, never heard a roar like it since from any loco, only 6024 has come close.
Yeah on par with Mallard and A4 class. So just shows even with a heavy loco it's hard on this line.
Did you spray PAM cooking oil on the railhead for this great hard working slipping grade scene??????
if you notice steamlocos always seam to slip on these new type rail and not the old iron ones
Err. The rails have been made of an iron alloy known as steel (maraging steel) since before the turn of the 19th century!
I would say that whoever calculated the load added one coach too many. Reminds me of the story about the greedy lad who was promised all the land he could run around in 12 hours. Along the way, he saw a very nice extra bit and ran around that as well. At the finish line, he didn't - heart gave out in trying to make it before the deadline - which was well named. An extra 48 seats filled, but nearly did not make it at all. The emergency diesel should surely have been there for all the trip, not just some of the sections. To be assisted by another loco is no shame, though I believe that only the West Country loco "Yeovil" left the banker engine behind on Drumochter Summit - the banker could not keep up with her!
Maybe "they" overlooked the service coach.
I guess even the most powerful steam engines can sometimes struggle on a formidably steep incline. At one point, Duchess of Sutherland slipped to a temporary stand. She valiantly got going again, still struggling wit determination. I'm sure Sam of Sam's Trains status would have been shocked had he been watching.
Nothing to do with incline the Engine is very capable, it may be down to the approach of the incline??
I agree as too much power is bad as its likely to slip more. A heavier loco with more adhesion is probably better for grip.
This is about the heaviest loco.
Was there any speed restrictions within 2 miles of the 1in49 grade. If there was the driver didn't do proper release of the air brakes. The driver did a good job and it was filmed just as well.
1 in 42*
Needs a way to release sand onto the track to get traction.
Amazed how there's any water left with that safety valve going full bore😳
Don't you think that sometimes these vintage loco's are worked just a little too hard?
No because they're maintained to a high standard
AThat was a bit close for comfort
Great series of shots. Thank you for posting. I'm amazed at the amount of steam that was being wasted on the climb up Hemerdon bank. She was blowing off all the way up. I can understand that the fireman didn't want to run out of steam but there is a balance to be struck between too little and too much. Does 6233 have a mechanical stoker? I know some of the duchesses did (I think Duchess of Hamilton is one of them). If so I suppose there must be strong temptation to just keep on firing.
Choo choo choo choo nicely
Plenty of power , not enough grip on wet rails. (& I have been in a failed train several times lately including Voyager & HST. & 150) I predict the new Hiachi IET will fail here at some point - with good traction - but not enough power! Funily enough I was talking to the crew at Plymouth asking how it performed on the banks & they said -Fine, no problem, she flew up. So I said, Well tomorrow you have Hemerdon that's a different matter, you are likely to get problems. Really? they said Oh we will look out for that then!
How can a voyger or an IET fail here? They have loads of power and traction.
Richard James Really? 4700 horsepower for 450 tonnes I can’t see it happening. Personally I can never see it happening to either a voyger or iet.
@@tgk300xx4 You are argumentative are'nt you? Yoy don't come from execeter do you? I travel on this railway 1 -3 times a week (for years) and there are failures on wet rails. The Hitachi's WILL fail. get over it. The run up at Hemerdon is 75mph, so that makes a big difference from E B. Still trains breast it slower than Dainton. I ask the staff and the drivers (often). I asked early last winter - which has the most cancellations/ failures - the sea wall or the banks - His reply was the banks (but they don't get reported). Do you know the difference detween a 800 and an 802 - especially made for this line?
I think the five car 800s might be particularly vulnerable to slipping in the wet if they had an engine isolated, assuming they're allowed to operate over the banks in that state, and they'd certainly lose time. There was always a restriction on HSTs working west of Newton Abbot with one power car out. The signaller had to arrange a run at the bank with no adverse signals from Newton Abbot and any Totnes stop would be withdrawn.
Richard James The power to weight ratio of an iet is far to great with all engines running.
Awesome.🖒 But was any brakes rubbing to make her struggle up that bank?
No, just 1 in 42 with 10 on if you cant get a run up and start slipping halfway up is a hard task for any engine esp a pacific ... 6024 KE1 still I believe holds the record for Plymouth to Exe in around 58 mins - Eden Exp 2002.
1 in 42 with 10 is a mean task. Even for a powerful loco like the Duchess.
Though Union of South Africa has put up some cracking performances up there
@@AndreiTupolev All depends on the run up, and the weather. It was a slightly damp day for the Duchess.
@@mattseymour8637 Powerful might even be a disadvantage in this case, since the problem is traction, not lack of power...
Nearly stalls? She does come to a stand, and there is no shame in a 4+6-2 loco doing that if the rail conditions aren't quite right.
Indeed, I've slipped with a 5000hp Class 87 at 100mph with ten on in similar weather to this, any type of traction can & will under certain conditions.
@@samstainer6322 exactly not just about power but all about traction and lack of it if rails are wet
She wasn't built for banks hence why she's in this situation great video to mate
No only Shap and Beattock........
She was built for the long drags of Beatock and Shap, where it pulled the heaviest trains, put in the highest horsepower & the fastest times of the day
@@richardjames3446 Shap is 1:75 this is 1:42
@@tgk300xx4 Yes I know. The toughest bank on the mailine along with Lickey. I was on Hemerdon today as I often am, with a wide variety of loco's/ trains.
Not the first Pacific to come to grief in South Devon... that's why GW engines were 4-6-0 :-)
4-6-0 is the best passenger loco wheel configuration there is.
Unlikely a Castle with 10 would make it up in the wet.
Richard James It would give it a good go though. It would probably perform the same as if not bette then the Duchess Of Sutherland. A King would make it no doubt.
@@tgk300xx4 A King has not taken 10 coaches up here in modern times.
Richard James I know, but I would be willing to bet this with good coal, plenty of steam and decent crew it would manage it. We go on about hemerodon being steep but Exeter bank is even steeper at 1:37, with a 15 mph speed restriction at the bottom and it’s on a tight curve and it’s from a standing start.
Probably the hardest work a main line loco has done for a while. Great video. Who was the driver?
Load 10? Lizzie is out tomorrow with 13
The driver was Anthony Knewland-Jones. The fireman was Simon Punsbury.
Yes but not up 1 in 40... Lizzie would grip no better, 6201 has not taken 10 over the S Devon banks and did not set world alight with 9! The only engines that could 'put down' more power would be GW/LMS/SR Class 7 or 8 4-6-0s...
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Should have had a Diesel banker on the rear, just in case. Most do...
No, that means you just have to pull that thing as well, sensible loads are what is reqd, 9 is a better bet over the Devon banks you need all the gods with you to take 10
No diesel banker. Put a Manor or a Hall on as a banker, seeing it was a former GWR mainline. The weather on this particular day looked a bit wet and maybe she had no sand,even though she had steam sanders working.
These would take 15 over Shap. This loco is not steaming well. Will need banking on the Kingswear run up to Churston for sure.
Only 10 carriages.
What utter bollocks. There's plenty of steam - you can see and hear the safety valve blasting it out. There's just no traction. Once she finds some grip at the end she gains speed rapidly.
Totally agreed. Makes you wonder whether some people actually watch the video, or do so with the sound off. BTW the gradient changes in the middle of the slight curve near the top from 1 in 42 to 1 in 51, which is quite helpful, you could say.
Thought the idea was to preserve them not to wear them out. Never let that driver drive it again.
As if it's his fault that the tracks go uphill. What is he supposed to do, get out and tunnel through the hill and lay new track?
(Mick Boakes) Merely running a steam loco wears it out. Heavy thrusts, large revolving weights, boiler corrosion and all that. That's why they need regular overhauls. And if you're not going to run them why bother preserving them unless you get a kick out of mummified museum pieces? Not my cup of tea.
It didn't even look like it was going uphill, it looks flat or even slightly declined. I know it must ve going uphill but you sure as hell can't see any hill.
It's about 2 miles at a gradient of 1 in 42
some very uninformed comments here . the Duchesses took 20 over Shap unassisted on a daily basis . I suspect she had some damp sand and couldn't get it on the rail
Shap is 1:75, this is 1:42 and it was a wet day.
That is an uninformed comment in itself. A routine heavy train over Shap consisted of 15 coaches max, never 20, and often a banker was provided, usually a 2-6-4T, not because the Duchess couldn't do it but to speed things up and not occupy the line for too long. The same applied to Beattock bank, which is much longer. Damp sand can't be the problem because these locos were provided with steam sanding.
Compare this wil the run from Clan Line in 2018 over the same hills. Not a sign of a slip, even though the Bulleid Pacifics were notorious for slipping - and looks like the run was done in misty weather so the rails would have been wet.
Clan Line, 2018 = th-cam.com/video/2t6AVOKKB2U/w-d-xo.html
Clan Line and Oliver Bulleid win!
Shades of Agatha Christie.
Great video. Very dramatic. I've subscribed to your channel and would appreciate same. Thanks.
I would say ,a bit of inexperienced driving there !¬!!
You could do better?
Why don't you try driving it then before commenting on a professionals abilities, driving a steam loco up a hill with a heavy load is not easy.
Well said. I thought the driver handled the beast very well. After all, the regulator is not some pretty little plastic button but a long heavy handle, often stiff, that will need repeated opening and closing.
The engine was being driven no harder than necessary to get the train up the bank, no doubt to avoid a slip. The fact that several occurred is in no way the driver's fault.
It's not the driver it's the rail conditions and the gradient. 1 in 42 with 10 on is hard with any loco
@@samhope6310 I agree and working on footplate does give you an invite to this he drove it well as got it going after slipping so bad
How stupid to expect this engine to pull so many coaches. The Driver is at fault, he should have known how many was possible. It makes it very sad to watch and even worse for the paying passengers. Gpx
10 coaches is actually *less* than the number of coaches a Duchess could be expected to get up Hemerdon. Kings routinely took 11 and a Duchess has the same tractive effort, which is what it comes down to.
It's not the drivers fault and he probably doesn't control the number of coaches on a service.
A Duchess is more than capable of 10 or 12 coaches up a steep gradient
It depends of the weather,i guess
10 coaches?? It's lightweight, probably down to the driver.