I LOVE how the girls gave this episode the respect it deserved. No jokes or ads but a simple discussion on an issue that plagues the world sadly EVEN TO THIS DAY.
They were completely right to say that this episode is top 5 or maybe even top three in their series. It’s completely burned in my memory. When Sophia started talking about Jimmy beating his chest and had to stop because she broke down, I remember that moment exactly because that was my exact reaction
This was one of my favorite episodes after it first aired. I felt like it was so powerful that it deserved an Emmy... I was so mad that it wasn't even nominated. It was the first episode to ever make me tear up. To this day, watching Sophia's performance still tears me up.
Always a sad episode but it’s one of the best. I’ve never skipped it. All 4 of them (along with the rest of the cast) gave stellar performances in this episode.
I think that everyone was incredibly brave to address this topic and take on the emotions, the fear, and the trauma that goes with it. I was across the street from Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School when a teen shooter killed 17 people. I know how this has affected me, and I cannot imagine, even though it was a tv show, how this affected all of you young adults. I've watched this episode many times, and you all were so brave!
I saw this episode when I was 14 years old and I can say it is the most important episode of One Tree Hill and maybe of any Teen centered show that has come out. It opened up my eyes and started a dialogue among my friends about the effects of bullying & mental health that had been kind of taboo up to this point. It's a hard episode to watch but so important. I'm glad now that I am rewatching this series with my nephew (who is 15) and talk about hard topics that he is going through in school. Thank you for this podcast episode.
I remember seeing this for the first time and having a hard time processing what I watched and my feelings. Colin’s performance was so moving and real. Even when I rewatch this I always cry.
Heavy sigh...such an absolutely beautiful performance from Colin and all three ladies in this episode. When the podcast first aired this, I did watch the episode but have skipped it during many of my rewatches just because it hurts so much. I wouldn't want to hear anyone else dive into this subject matter besides the four of you. Just like this. Thank you so much for your vulnerability and courage to have this conversation. Love to you all ❤❤
This episode did such a great job playing with your emotions. It’s one of the only episodes that there is just one major plot point which makes it stand out from the rest of the episodes so far
This episode was tough! I was in high school when the Santa Fe,Tx event occurred and our school is only 10 miles away from it so we were also placed on lockdown. The fear we had that we were next was just terrifying. Do better America😔
This is the single most important episode in One Tree Hill history. There was the show before this episode and there was the show after this episode. Nothing was ever the same again. And the show-runners and cast did an incredible job. Based on the Columbine high school shooting incident in 1999. And for me this is not an episode that you can skip. As hard it is to watch sometimes, it is really important. The story lines preceding it leads to this moment, and the story lines in the aftermath are directly and indirectly affected by it. Dan's arc, Keith's death, Deb's decline into drugs, Karen plunging into depression. The Core 5 with Mouth and Skills matured up a lot after this. Rachel took a bit of time but even her character changed in Season 4. Brooke breaking down after thinking she did not get to know the others enough as student council president, Haley, Nathan, Skills and Rachel at gunpoint, Lucas trying to get Peyton out of there after she was shot the beginning by the panic gunshot from Jimmy Edwards. And it was a good move to bring back Jimmy Edwards who prior history with Lucas and Mouth. Had it been a newcomer, it would not have hit the same. It needed that aspect of abandonment that Jimmy felt from Lucas and Mouth after Season 1. And the themes of anger, jealousy, guilt, depression, mental health deterioration are included here. So it is essential viewing, even if it is sometimes too real or too close to home. And kudos to the women for starting off the podcast on a sombre note. Even the original episode did not start with traditional Gavin DeGraw intro. It went from a dark and eerie intro straight into the scenes.
I always think this and the Degrassi episodes leading to that school shooting need to be played in schools. I've felt this since I was a teen myself. Also, I WAS the kid people in schools thought that just because I'm bullied, because I didn't look happy all the time, because I was a loner, kids in both my high schools spread rumors about me being the one who will bring a gun to school and some only pretended to be nice to me in the hallways just so they didn't "die". As someone who also lived in a post-9/11 world, I felt I could never escape the image that anyone who looked like me, we were always going to be terrorists, we had no future and for 5 years after high school, my life did stop.
Can't believe I didn't catch this youtube channel before. So you three watch each OTH episode and react to / discuss it? That's so amazing. But on this one, yeah, its really sad. :( It's the one which relates the most to me. I was bullied in school A LOT. I don't know how I got through high school the way it was before. It really is suffering. I grew up, but....that shit never leaves you....
Can't believe I didn't catch this youtube channel before. So you three watch each OTH episode and react to / discuss it? That's so amazing. But on this one, yeah, its really sad. :( It's the one which relates the most to me. I was bullied in school A LOT. I don't know how I got through high school the way it was before. It really is suffering. I grew up, but....that shit never leaves you.
I love you guys!! I have been watching one tree hill since my sophomore year in 2016, I am now a mother of Irish twins a daughter and son they are 2/3 years old. I love the way you guys are talking about your parenting skills, what to do to teach your kids all the different emotions and rights and wrongs. It just sucks because it does seem like there is only so much you can do because there are a lot of parents out there that don’t care about their children or pay attention to what they do which is truly sad. Or the parents are even not the greatest people and teaches wrongs to their kids. With how the world is today it definitely worries me for the future of my kids. There has been a lot of bad things going on in my town with the education system with things going on in the schools that shouldn’t even be happening like not just shootings, my sister sees a fight in school almost everyday or teachers not being good to children. I already have so many trust issues with anyone watching my kids, I’m scared putting them in school when they turn 4.
I think they missed the point of the parental guidance warning. I think the parental discretion at the beginning of the episode (like other warnings in other TV shows) was to bring an adult into the room to make the content easier to watch. The warning isn’t blaming the kids; it’s trying to let them know that watching alone may be scary and being with an adult is strongly recommended.
I'm not American and I wasn't alive for Columbine, so it's probably hard for me to understand the effect these storylines have on you, even the little time I went to school in US the drills didn't affect me the same as they did other kids, but as someone in the industry I'm really glad how the girls showed this wonderful actor the respect he deserved even tough he didn't find the same fame as them. I was really impressed by his performance and I agree, he should have won an Emmy.
This episode hits differently not just storyline wise but specifically because of what was happening at that time. I am not American but I was the age of those kids when Columbine happened and I remember seeing people at my school reading the newspaper the very next day. The front of the paper has never left my mind. Sitting on the opposite side of the world I felt so sick to my stomach in a way that I have never felt before. I will forever feel sadness and empathy for those kids and their families on that dark day. Thankyou for delivering a professional, respectful emotional and thoughtful discussion.
This episode is the toughest to watch, but as much as it is uncomfortable, it's imperative. The show is fiction, but the situation is still a reality, especially in 2024.
As a non American school shootings have never happened in my country but obviously bullying does because unfortunately I think that's pretty universal. The difference is both the culture and laws around guns. I honestly think that if we had the same loose gun laws as the US we would have seen at least 1 school shooting. However I think that this episode spoke to alot of teens around the world who have experienced bullying and/or ostracization. I was one of them and I am so thankful that getting a gun was something I never would have been able to get because I did bring a tiny little knife to school once, not to actually hurt anyone just to threaten my bullies to back off(and they told on me too), but at least they backed up a little and I never did it again.
Really do people skip the ep? In my opinion as in acting the way that episode was directed was fantastic because this episode shows a lot of emotion in situations that people have neverbeen in before. In today’s world this stuff actually happens.
I remember fighting with so many people about this episode because I have depression and while I would never do what he did, I understood why he did it. I’m disabled and was bullied in middle school. Can’t lie, wish I would have done this to my bullies for what they did to me. I remember there was so much fighting about ‘whose fault it was’ and I do agree Lucas and mouth may have left Jimmy behind and should have checked on him before but no one can really decide whose fault it is or is it anyone’s fault?
I remember when it happend at my school i graduate from we lost one to our very own a few years aftwr i graduate rest in peace Bobby you are missed was only 16 yeats old when he died the kid tgat took his life only gor six tears in prison 😢i wish this woeld would stop with gun problems parents need to talk to their kids thia world is going to shit whne will this end kids sont need to be lose their lives this world is sad 😭😢
As an elementary teacher we see these kids everyday. Our country needs to be proactive not reactive. Teachers worry about how they can protect students every time they enter the class.
Sounds like a propaganda piece imo. There have been far right and far left school shootings in the US. Not just far right. Clearly it is not a right vs left issue, but a mental health issue.
Actually, I take back what I said before. I really hate myself. I don't like anything at all about myself. I'm not gonna commit suicide, but I'm certainly not going to pretend I am jolly/happy either. I wish I could find someone who can take away my pain. I wish I could find someone who understands me. I'm alone. I'm all alone. I feel like I don't have anything left. I thought this would end after high school. It didn't. It followed me. It's still there. I'm suffering. I don't need therapy. I just want a friend. Like everyone else has. I'm alone.
I do skip this episode. It’s just very heavy and I’m not always ready for it. However I will say that the episode shortly thereafter when they are at Rachel’s parents cabin and all trying to heal is probably my most favorite episode of OTH. It’s when everyone gets lighter again, the sun comes back out, love is prevailing through the darkest of times, different bonds are being formed bc of tragedy. Even Karen is trying to fight to get back to herself. It’s a lovely episode. But like I said- I do skip that one a lot, and I skip the one afterwards when they have that party in the hallway and Rachel tells mouth she released the time capsule. It’s all just so heartbreaking. The aftermath too. ❤❤❤ also I’m a little older and I think I was a freshman when Columbine happened. :( I’ll never forget seeing the live footage replay for days, or the erroneous reports coming in from CNN. They had crazy numbers of students dead; and they showed the wrong people being arrested that day, and just a lot of incorrect info. I’ll also never forget being so scared, and how it changed school forever, for everyone. All the “bomb threats” that followed in the weeks afterwards; and just the overall reactions. Literally a shift in culture. 💙💙🖤🖤
I will have done like Nathan I will have entered high school to save Haley just like Joy I will be ready to do anything to save her because I love her❤
I LOVE how the girls gave this episode the respect it deserved.
No jokes or ads but a simple discussion on an issue that plagues the world sadly EVEN TO THIS DAY.
I didn’t know people skipped this episode. I’ve never skipped this one. I think it’s very important to watch -over and over and over again.
They were completely right to say that this episode is top 5 or maybe even top three in their series. It’s completely burned in my memory. When Sophia started talking about Jimmy beating his chest and had to stop because she broke down, I remember that moment exactly because that was my exact reaction
This was one of my favorite episodes after it first aired. I felt like it was so powerful that it deserved an Emmy... I was so mad that it wasn't even nominated. It was the first episode to ever make me tear up. To this day, watching Sophia's performance still tears me up.
Always a sad episode but it’s one of the best. I’ve never skipped it. All 4 of them (along with the rest of the cast) gave stellar performances in this episode.
“Hell no I can’t even keep a plant alive” had me dying 😭😭
I think that everyone was incredibly brave to address this topic and take on the emotions, the fear, and the trauma that goes with it. I was across the street from Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School when a teen shooter killed 17 people. I know how this has affected me, and I cannot imagine, even though it was a tv show, how this affected all of you young adults. I've watched this episode many times, and you all were so brave!
I saw this episode when I was 14 years old and I can say it is the most important episode of One Tree Hill and maybe of any Teen centered show that has come out. It opened up my eyes and started a dialogue among my friends about the effects of bullying & mental health that had been kind of taboo up to this point. It's a hard episode to watch but so important. I'm glad now that I am rewatching this series with my nephew (who is 15) and talk about hard topics that he is going through in school. Thank you for this podcast episode.
Not me crying instantly. This episode is so hard but I watch it every time I rewatch the series.
I remember seeing this for the first time and having a hard time processing what I watched and my feelings. Colin’s performance was so moving and real. Even when I rewatch this I always cry.
That episode was one of my favorites. It was so powerful.
Everyone should have to watch this episode, it’s so powerful
Praying for Colin!
Heavy sigh...such an absolutely beautiful performance from Colin and all three ladies in this episode. When the podcast first aired this, I did watch the episode but have skipped it during many of my rewatches just because it hurts so much. I wouldn't want to hear anyone else dive into this subject matter besides the four of you. Just like this. Thank you so much for your vulnerability and courage to have this conversation. Love to you all ❤❤
This episode did such a great job playing with your emotions. It’s one of the only episodes that there is just one major plot point which makes it stand out from the rest of the episodes so far
when they think it’s only adults listening to their podcast but i’m a teenager 😅😅😅
This episode left a mark on me. I related to Jimmy because I experienced what he went through.
Watching this after there was shooting in GA. Makes it even sad that still happens.
I’m watching one tree hill for the first time ever on season 7 this is one of my favorite shows I’ve ever watched amazing show!
I want to hear what Lee Norris felt and his thoughts on this episode. His part was also amazing!
This episode was tough! I was in high school when the Santa Fe,Tx event occurred and our school is only 10 miles away from it so we were also placed on lockdown. The fear we had that we were next was just terrifying. Do better America😔
This is the single most important episode in One Tree Hill history. There was the show before this episode and there was the show after this episode. Nothing was ever the same again. And the show-runners and cast did an incredible job. Based on the Columbine high school shooting incident in 1999.
And for me this is not an episode that you can skip. As hard it is to watch sometimes, it is really important. The story lines preceding it leads to this moment, and the story lines in the aftermath are directly and indirectly affected by it. Dan's arc, Keith's death, Deb's decline into drugs, Karen plunging into depression. The Core 5 with Mouth and Skills matured up a lot after this. Rachel took a bit of time but even her character changed in Season 4. Brooke breaking down after thinking she did not get to know the others enough as student council president, Haley, Nathan, Skills and Rachel at gunpoint, Lucas trying to get Peyton out of there after she was shot the beginning by the panic gunshot from Jimmy Edwards. And it was a good move to bring back Jimmy Edwards who prior history with Lucas and Mouth. Had it been a newcomer, it would not have hit the same. It needed that aspect of abandonment that Jimmy felt from Lucas and Mouth after Season 1. And the themes of anger, jealousy, guilt, depression, mental health deterioration are included here. So it is essential viewing, even if it is sometimes too real or too close to home.
And kudos to the women for starting off the podcast on a sombre note. Even the original episode did not start with traditional Gavin DeGraw intro. It went from a dark and eerie intro straight into the scenes.
I’ve been waiting for you guys to talk about this episode. I know it must’ve been tough to rewatch it 😢
Does anyone know the names of the article Sophie was talking about at 37:37?
I always think this and the Degrassi episodes leading to that school shooting need to be played in schools. I've felt this since I was a teen myself.
Also, I WAS the kid people in schools thought that just because I'm bullied, because I didn't look happy all the time, because I was a loner, kids in both my high schools spread rumors about me being the one who will bring a gun to school and some only pretended to be nice to me in the hallways just so they didn't "die".
As someone who also lived in a post-9/11 world, I felt I could never escape the image that anyone who looked like me, we were always going to be terrorists, we had no future and for 5 years after high school, my life did stop.
this is the best episode of OTH
Can't believe I didn't catch this youtube channel before. So you three watch each OTH episode and react to / discuss it? That's so amazing. But on this one, yeah, its really sad. :( It's the one which relates the most to me. I was bullied in school A LOT. I don't know how I got through high school the way it was before. It really is suffering. I grew up, but....that shit never leaves you....
Can't believe I didn't catch this youtube channel before. So you three watch each OTH episode and react to / discuss it? That's so amazing. But on this one, yeah, its really sad. :( It's the one which relates the most to me. I was bullied in school A LOT. I don't know how I got through high school the way it was before. It really is suffering. I grew up, but....that shit never leaves you.
I love you guys!! I have been watching one tree hill since my sophomore year in 2016, I am now a mother of Irish twins a daughter and son they are 2/3 years old. I love the way you guys are talking about your parenting skills, what to do to teach your kids all the different emotions and rights and wrongs. It just sucks because it does seem like there is only so much you can do because there are a lot of parents out there that don’t care about their children or pay attention to what they do which is truly sad. Or the parents are even not the greatest people and teaches wrongs to their kids. With how the world is today it definitely worries me for the future of my kids. There has been a lot of bad things going on in my town with the education system with things going on in the schools that shouldn’t even be happening like not just shootings, my sister sees a fight in school almost everyday or teachers not being good to children. I already have so many trust issues with anyone watching my kids, I’m scared putting them in school when they turn 4.
This was a rough one. I’ve been rewatching with my 22 year old son who just lost his father.
I think they missed the point of the parental guidance warning. I think the parental discretion at the beginning of the episode (like other warnings in other TV shows) was to bring an adult into the room to make the content easier to watch.
The warning isn’t blaming the kids; it’s trying to let them know that watching alone may be scary and being with an adult is strongly recommended.
I'm not American and I wasn't alive for Columbine, so it's probably hard for me to understand the effect these storylines have on you, even the little time I went to school in US the drills didn't affect me the same as they did other kids, but as someone in the industry I'm really glad how the girls showed this wonderful actor the respect he deserved even tough he didn't find the same fame as them. I was really impressed by his performance and I agree, he should have won an Emmy.
This episode hits differently not just storyline wise but specifically because of what was happening at that time. I am not American but I was the age of those kids when Columbine happened and I remember seeing people at my school reading the newspaper the very next day. The front of the paper has never left my mind. Sitting on the opposite side of the world I felt so sick to my stomach in a way that I have never felt before. I will forever feel sadness and empathy for those kids and their families on that dark day. Thankyou for delivering a professional, respectful emotional and thoughtful discussion.
This episode is the toughest to watch, but as much as it is uncomfortable, it's imperative. The show is fiction, but the situation is still a reality, especially in 2024.
As a non American school shootings have never happened in my country but obviously bullying does because unfortunately I think that's pretty universal. The difference is both the culture and laws around guns. I honestly think that if we had the same loose gun laws as the US we would have seen at least 1 school shooting. However I think that this episode spoke to alot of teens around the world who have experienced bullying and/or ostracization. I was one of them and I am so thankful that getting a gun was something I never would have been able to get because I did bring a tiny little knife to school once, not to actually hurt anyone just to threaten my bullies to back off(and they told on me too), but at least they backed up a little and I never did it again.
Really do people skip the ep?
In my opinion as in acting the way that episode was directed was fantastic because this episode shows a lot of emotion in situations that people have neverbeen in before. In today’s world this stuff actually happens.
I remember fighting with so many people about this episode because I have depression and while I would never do what he did, I understood why he did it. I’m disabled and was bullied in middle school. Can’t lie, wish I would have done this to my bullies for what they did to me. I remember there was so much fighting about ‘whose fault it was’ and I do agree Lucas and mouth may have left Jimmy behind and should have checked on him before but no one can really decide whose fault it is or is it anyone’s fault?
I remember when it happend at my school i graduate from we lost one to our very own a few years aftwr i graduate rest in peace Bobby you are missed was only 16 yeats old when he died the kid tgat took his life only gor six tears in prison 😢i wish this woeld would stop with gun problems parents need to talk to their kids thia world is going to shit whne will this end kids sont need to be lose their lives this world is sad 😭😢
As an elementary teacher we see these kids everyday. Our country needs to be proactive not reactive. Teachers worry about how they can protect students every time they enter the class.
Does anyone know what article Sophia was referencing? I would love to read it.
Me too. I've been so interested in seeing it
Sounds like a propaganda piece imo. There have been far right and far left school shootings in the US. Not just far right. Clearly it is not a right vs left issue, but a mental health issue.
Actually, I take back what I said before. I really hate myself. I don't like anything at all about myself. I'm not gonna commit suicide, but I'm certainly not going to pretend I am jolly/happy either. I wish I could find someone who can take away my pain. I wish I could find someone who understands me. I'm alone. I'm all alone. I feel like I don't have anything left. I thought this would end after high school. It didn't. It followed me. It's still there. I'm suffering. I don't need therapy. I just want a friend. Like everyone else has. I'm alone.
I do skip this episode. It’s just very heavy and I’m not always ready for it. However I will say that the episode shortly thereafter when they are at Rachel’s parents cabin and all trying to heal is probably my most favorite episode of OTH. It’s when everyone gets lighter again, the sun comes back out, love is prevailing through the darkest of times, different bonds are being formed bc of tragedy. Even Karen is trying to fight to get back to herself. It’s a lovely episode. But like I said- I do skip that one a lot, and I skip the one afterwards when they have that party in the hallway and Rachel tells mouth she released the time capsule. It’s all just so heartbreaking. The aftermath too. ❤❤❤ also I’m a little older and I think I was a freshman when Columbine happened. :( I’ll never forget seeing the live footage replay for days, or the erroneous reports coming in from CNN. They had crazy numbers of students dead; and they showed the wrong people being arrested that day, and just a lot of incorrect info. I’ll also never forget being so scared, and how it changed school forever, for everyone. All the “bomb threats” that followed in the weeks afterwards; and just the overall reactions. Literally a shift in culture. 💙💙🖤🖤
The last couple of school shootings were by far left radicals, Sophia. Not just far right radicals. The issue is bigger than left vs right.
Well there’s been more far right shooters than left that’s just facts 🤷
1:01:10 That episode was a school shooting and a suicide episode.
I will have done like Nathan I will have entered high school to save Haley just like Joy I will be ready to do anything to save her because I love her❤
I disagree about putting it on the parents. Look up
The reena virk case. Kids gonna do what kids gonna do.
I thought parental advisory was there to actually get ur parents to watch lol... not the opposite.
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