Hope y'all are doing fine, it has been a hectic semester with the scary layoffs and tougher interviews... we stay strong tho 💪😤 GL on yo incoming finals btw
I graduated in that last recession, no graduate jobs.. I used my contacts and found a lower paid job, with a local IT company. It was a great experience, and I got a job at a big company as a software engineer 18 months later. People who waited for "prestigious" jobs, or expected the same starting salary as before the recession so didn't apply for "lesser" jobs, struggled to explain why they had a gap in employment after graduating. Take whatever you can get; it's all good experience. The market will pick back up again before you know it, and that's when the interviewer wants to know what you did during the downturn.
@@FryingPan I am a bit worried about what you said in the end, so if you do not mind, a small story: I'll be honest, I graduated a couple of decades ago and haven't worked much on my CS skills since (I've been teaching and stuff). By total accident I got a remote job in a US based company for a Junior Dev at my age, and I was like "am I really going to manage it? After all those years?" ... turns out that I did manage it. Not only that, but they were very sorry they had to not renew my contract (LIFO - Last In, First Out :P ), but they kept saying how I was their best employee, hard working and all that. And I was baffled, because I didn't think I was all that. All I did was hit the quotas, be available, be amiable with team requests and be friendly. I didn't think that was much, but of what I gathered when it comes to competing with younger people, that is now a lot to ask. The dude they had before me and they fired him was younger and BETTER at coding than me. They kicked him in the curb and got in an old teacher from abroad and they ended up being super happy about it. Turns out that there are *SOFT skills* that are valued as much as SOFTWARE skills. So, for what you said in the end, do not make the mistake of getting into the grind of "forever improving". CS is a never ending pit of knowledge that is getting deeper every day. Get yourself some *soft skills* (which are forever the same at every era) and quickly try to make the jump from "coder" to "team leader" and then you can turn it down a notch. The work environment now is odd and apart from good coders, what companies want is people to *fit in* with their teams. This might explain the mystery of your friends going 10/10 in the interview tests, but failing the interview itself. Good luck out there. I do not have a job at the moment either, but I am not living in the USA, so I am having a better time of it.
@@ko-Daegu Bruh but depends on what kind of jobs u apply for and people don't notice that. People just apply on MNCs, thinking of job security lol. But startups are a place to learn tbh.
I’m graduating in spring 2024 and I’m so thankful you made this video because I really needed to hear it. I’ve barely found one internship and it feels like it’ll slip out of my hands any minute. And thinking about whether I’ll be able to get a return offer just adds to all of the stress. I’ve felt really alone and discouraged in this whole job search but it feels a lot better knowing we’re all going through this together (not in a good way tho sadly lol) but good luck to all of us in our future careers!!
If your boss tries to fire you: “I greatly appreciate your offer to return to the job hunting phase, although I greatly appreciate this offer, I’ve come the decision to turn down this offer, as after weighing the pros and cons, I’d rather be employeed.”
I love your channel. Most of the tech bloggers on youtube are experienced devs and sometimes it's difficult to relate to them. You on the on the other hand are a student like us who struggles like us. I hope this situation will somehow get better. I hope we all can find a job.
I'm a F-1 master's student from China - where switching original major to CS get popular among college students that made it easier for ppl to run out of China. Most of the previous successful ppl said on the social website said it like a simple thing, but it's only after I came to US I started to realize how hard it is to break into this rainy tech industry. Struggling to get a single internship offer while learning hard lessons such as Distributed Systems and NP-hard problems on my Algo class have together made me burn out. But I laughed so hard when I saw the leetcode part in this video and I never thought there are so many new grad or students finding internship in the comment section feel the same as me. Thank you for posting this video from a new grad's perspective and good luck on your future job, also good luck to all of the ppl in the comments section!
The competitive scene for getting a job after graduation was already pretty difficult but the recession has made a lot of companies volatile over time. The offers that you're getting prove that you have the skills in order to get the job, something I will say to all the people that are applying right now is that once you get your first position it is so much easier in the market to get opportunities, especially when you've had the experience working in faang companies. If you don't get into one of these top tier tech companies as your first gig that doesn't mean that you've failed, most developers don't work in tech companies and are still making extremely high salaries. I personally think at least for the first job, you should only be picky if you are getting multiple offers; otherwise you should take what you get and learn as much as you can so you can have a higher barganing power within the market. You can apply to Faang companeis as much as you want throughout your career, even if you don't grab it right away and with mor experience can bargin for a much better salary then you can as a fresh graduate.
I'm graduating in 2023, and by the looks of it it's very discouraging. I'm not as skilled as majority of people out there, and I think my chances of being forced to leave the country is up there since I'm here on a visa. I read a study the other day that shows graduating into a recession could set your career pathway back by several years. It's so difficult to keep yourself motivated when all statistics point towards bad things :( 6:10 Pan: what are you swimming in? Me: My tears
as a freshman majoring in CS i was shown with statistics how there will be more jobs than people who can take them in the future but that never made sense to begin with
@@AdrenResi always more and more companies popping up that need engineers. But don't expect to stay at companies long. Keep up your algorithm skills and soft skills and you can find work wherever. Heck, maybe even a software consulting company. Make friends with your classmates and alumni in the industry. They can be your foot in the door. Referrals always help over cold applying. Good luck
Software isn't going anywhere. That doesn't mean it will be easy to find the job, but basically every sector needs software. Sales, medicine, manufacturing, robotics, everybody used software. CS was still a good call in the long run. You'll have more security than people who went to coding boot camp because you have the theoretical knowledge to apply to any software technology.
I hope, you and others don´t fall under the heavy burden of anxiety. I am not even in the tech biz but the recession is biting everyone´s butt everywhere, in most spheres. but as you have said, it´s time to think about yourself and how you can improve. bad times don´t last forever, just try to learn as much as you can, improve what you can and hope for the best. crossed fingers that everything goes well for everyone.
I think the key is not to be too picky when applying for jobs. Yes, working in FANG companies is great, but there are many more companies that offer pretty good perks, solid pay, and most importantly offer invaluable experience. If the economy sorts itself out after 1-2 years, then one could apply again to more well-known companies with the experience they've gained. But at the end of the day, there's more to getting a job at a company. Having side hustles/passion projects are great too along with freelancing.
"Want to leetcode with me?" He said with a sense of urgency and agression in his voice, as if startled and shocked by the world Pan momentarily awakened him to. But when he turned his head, he still saw LeetCode. The world was LeetCode--and Pan was also LeetCode. Then he felt it. We are all like fish swimming against the machinations of The Endlessly Recurring Simulation. The LeetCode of the gods.
Part 2: When he looked at Pan, he felt a spark of inspiration. This spark, however, was like a flame met with a great tinder, and the experience from all his LeetCode flashed through his eyes. Every single problem was ingrained in his memory at that moment, and still the fire continued to rage and spread like a forest fire. He remembered one particular problem and he recognized something deep inside of Pan which Pan himself never so much as glimpsed a corner. "Isn't this like a binary tree?" He thought, and while his intense gaze was starting to make Pan feel uncomfortable, he was absorbed in a different world. It was as if he had been blind his entire life and finally regained his vision. "If its a binary tree, it must be able to be inverted." With that thought, he felt that he was no longer looking at Pan, but a shuttling array of numbers linked with lines. Soon, like he had imagined countless times in his head, the numbers started to shift and change and reorganize themselves. He felt the changes in the depth of his being, and the startling changes also reflected in reality. He had firmly grasped a corner of The Great LeetCode. Pan was upside down. Not only that, his facial features were flipped like a mirror. There was also something else, he felt his memories of Pan grow fuzzy. The same was true of all Pan's relatives and acquantances. "Or... that's not right. Yes, I remember now, his name was naP."
I graduated a couple months ago with a Master's in Mathematics. Not just pure mathematics either; hardcore theoretical industry math that is highly applicable to any analyst or engineering-coding role out there. It took me so long to find something and I finally got one job offer this Monday making 82.5k + 7,500 signon bonus in Columbus, OH. It's been a tough search, but I'm glad I found this job in the middle of this job crisis as it sets me up for greater things in easier times.
I felt this one coming. I am in my junior year of college but seeing the current environment in the industry made decide to go for a dual degree on Computer Science and Applied Mathematics, that way I can delay my graduation year and hopefully allow time for the market to heal more before I start the job hunt.
Graduated in May this year. After 6 months of active job hunting and 700s applications, finally got an offer starting next year in May. I still feel not safe as well. The recission and tech laid-offs really be destroying me inside out mentally and financially.
I graduated during covid lockdown , company was not hiring because everyone have to work from home, so they rather keep current workforce and implement "hiring freeze". I literally took any job despite being from a prestigious university (top 10 QS ranking) , and my job was a data analyst , statistics degree wasn't enough for data scientist roles. Fast forward 2.5 years , I'm a data scientist after I jumped out of my first job. My first job was a data analyst but I built ML models for the company and discussed it during interviews. I do get interviews/offers from tech companies but still decided to take on the banking industry instead. So I think it's better to take incoming opportunity quickly at this time, and prepare for the one you truly desire. You are literally buying time (2YOE/5YOE). The longer you prepare , the higher your TC and levelling band if you are excelling in your current job. Tips : Recruiter looks at experience > University > Skillsets. So a job is very important , i.e first checkpoint. Of course, if you are from Faang , you are likely to proceed for tech companies.
I had two internships with small local businesses. The first one cut me off because the government funding ended, the second one ended up giving me one paycheque after two months of work. In the end, I worked as a part-timer in a fast food restaurant with people asking me why aren't I getting a well paying job. Shit happens and there's nothing you can do.
Every CS major students should not be so worried about actual problems of big tech companies. Ok it will be more difficult to get a job at FAANG, but CS skills can be applied in many other fields, even if the core subject of the job is not software development anymore. It can even be a good thing for economy, not having those few top companies hiring the best talents in swe or data or any related subjects. There are still many jobs needing skilled people with dev skills!! :)
@@126sivgucsivanshgupta2 Literally hundreds, if not thousands of other high paying companies to go for apart from FAANG, if you want a software engineering job
Look at companies in the field of energy, or cybersecurity, chemistry, computer science for biology/medecine... In my country we have problems to recruit in those fields, so I suppose many other countries face the same kind of issues.. Don't panic, I may be optimistic but I'm sure there is place for all kind of engineers in companies (and not only companies, public services also!!) :)
I was in highschool during 08. I couldn't get my first shitty job to hold me through college until almost 2016. Graduated 2020 with EE because of financial aid issues (read: even McDonald's wasn't hiring). Worked for 2 years and just survived one round of layoffs. You GenZ guys are basically going through what we went through
There's nothing like an ad for an online coding boot camp on a video about how getting a job in the tech industry is risky as many are getting fired or rescinded or not hired. The irony.
I was planning on graduating Spring 23, but I'm thinking of delaying it for the next recruiting season. Waffle house literally pulled up to our career fair talking about "if you ever drop out, were here for you" 💀 no bullshit
hey bro just remember, youre way ahead of all of us self taught people just by having that degree, regardless of our abilities. We can have all the skills a job wants and they still wont even talk to us. we are dirt to the HR teams.
I come from India where there was a tech recession in 2018 as well when I graduated. Back then it was the impact of trump Presidency on H1B visas that reduced job vacancies in Indian tech companies. Many of my friends went to startup or BPO for lower paid jobs who then struggled a lot to get well paying tech jobs. But I started to prepare for government jobs here in India which are highly paid and secured. After four years of failed attempts in various government exams, I recently got selected in one financial regulatory body with salary higher than that of SDE 1 at FAANG India.
Bro I don't know what to do anymore. I was also a SWE Intern at Meta this past summer but I didn't get the return offer (think I was EE) and I started applying SLIGHTLY too late after the internship ended. I've now been rejected at 4 places after going through their interview loops because they got full, and didn't pass a couple other final rounds. Meta is the 3rd internship on my resume and I'm STILL getting constantly resume rejected as well. It feels so hopeless :( Still grinding and applying to anything I see but it feels like I'm going to be unemployed come next fall :/
I'm also a software eng with a "senior" experience. But if you're gonna ask me, I'd be happy to downgrade my salary and seek mid-dev positions with lesser pay than I have today just for the sake of being chill in life. Trust me, you can be happy with less.
I watch your videos often and just get a burst of confidence seeing you succeed each time. I basically got into CS in college with no prior experiences like you and I just received my first internship offer for next summer! I’m feeling the most optimistic and on cloud nine right now, and I just wanted to thank you for keeping me sane during the job search (and leetcoding god 😂)
The 09 recession ruined my life. Couldn't get a web Dev job after graduating with my cs degree and went into sales for 10 years. Switched careers back to tech and now in cyber security and finally making good money 10 years too late, dont be like me, keep applying
@@loganjohnson8450 Yup, until they replace all the end users with robots and AI you will always have idiots clicking on emails and links they shouldnt. I will say it was the hardest ever to get my first full time gig, and that was with a year of sys admin experience. Took about a year of applying and interviewing to get my first cyber gig but worth it.
@@innocentrage1 Good Job man! And yea, until robots can secure themselves, they will need someone ot keep the robots and AI secure. Thank you for the response!
The only reason CS ever made money is because of ads. And Apple is slaughtering ad revenue. But building your own product is a great idea. I'd pursue that and stick to employment as a stepping stone. Back in the golden days of tech in the 90's hardware was the primary seller. The software's job was to compliment the hardware and do amazing things. Video game consoles in particular revolutionized the world along with home computers with UI's. Apple and Nintendo have always been the two most impactful players in tech, and then later on Nvidia, IBM and ARM as well.
I graduate from high school in 2023 and I'm planning on going into cs but this is making me second guess myself. I'm not gifted when it comes to problem solving and coding but I'm definitely gonna try and develop my skills besides just what's taught in school and uni, and explore other specialisations like cybersecurity, ai and game development. Hopefully everything settles down by 2026-27 when I'll be on the lookout for internships and jobs!
i’m in the exact same position! coding and problem solving doesn’t come naturally to me but it’s so fun. a bit scared for uni next year but it’ll be fun :D
same problem here bro. all ik is some basic level python and html and sql aka stuff taught in hs level. imma be grad next year too and looking at these tech job recessions and how competitive its about to get this gonna be scary
@@uk8982 homie, your time frame is too short. The US has a boom bust economy. It's a feature, not a bug. By the time we graduate in 2027 the job market will once again be hot and we can both be google and facebook engineers
Bro competition in US/UK is far far less than India and China. Most of the people here do competitive programming or solve around 800-1000 questions on Leetcode. That's like a minimum here.
Idk man i dont think we can compare it because alot of people who are not from US is competing for working in the US so we cannot see static just by oh US got less active expert/blue in codeforce so that's mean US is less competitive
i do think the work ethic of people from overseas is much more hardcore. they really want to make it and they push themselves to get here, and they aren't too picky on their initial salaries as long as they get here lol. but yes, local competition will definitely be less than the global competition. always been that way.
Yup, this was me in 2008. It's refreshing seeing this on TH-cam despite the job climate :/ But I have faith in you. I know it's not a lot, but it's wild. I def get it though.
The wild part is that these layoffs is that they're still the preemptive round in anticipation of a coming recession. These aren't even the "we are actually in a recession" layoffs. Once revenue dramatically slows, ad spending dies down, and really gross earnings start getting posted it's actually going to get much worse before it gets better.
Graduating next month with a degree in GIS(geographic information science). Really hoping to find a job as. GIS developer. Same thing as a software developer but with a focus on GIS. I’d say it’s a niche field. Hopefully since it is fairly niche I hope I can get a job. Been applying but haven’t heard back yet.
I graduated right at the start of the pandemic and it was really hard finding a job or even an internship... All the company wanted to hire senior devs... I found a job after 5 months of search... Don't lose hope there is a job out there but it might take a lil bit more time :/
This is literally the second reason why I held 3 fulltime software engineering job. I recently got laid off at one. Too much anxiety with just only one job.
If you actually need a job apply to the low key places that have nothing to do with tech. By comparison you’ll be a god. If you work on the bleeding edge, your employer will never be satisfied.
me on 2020 - I just graduated in the worse possible time but its fine I will just go back to school for a masters maybe in two years I would be better. me in 2022 - PhD maybe?
Graduating this fall and the current situation is really bad, especially if you are an international student. Large companies stopped hiring and local companies does not hire people using OPT or people that need sponsorship.
Thankfully I just accepted a full time offer at a Major Bank after graduating in a Data Analyst role. Unrelated Bachelors but did a Masters in Data Analytics. Did a summer internship but didn't receive a full time offer. Put out 200+ applications, interview with 6 different companies, and be accepted to one. Stay strong out there.
Thankfully I got lucky enough to graduate in June and was able to find a job that I absolutely LOVE 3 months later (I graduated with a 2.8 GPA btw so people worrying about college performance shouldn't stress too much)
the problem is that all you guys apply for the same positions in the same companies. Why don't you apply for less known companies? It's still a great salary just not the same reputation maybe.
i was just thinking of this, why not apply to local companies that dont have as much competition and actually cares for their workers? Even a big local company should be fine imo, but i cant talk too much since im not even in university rn
@@user-bf3yh6ue7p Cuz they're mostly entitled kids who got used to royal treatment. Any person in other fields would kill to live like them. SO ouch of touch.
I think most do? I am at least. Anyone who is only applying to big tech in this economy is either an idiot or has a massive ego, and they will get fucked over or get extremely lucky
Man I am fuck. I graduated high school in a recession, so I had to drop out of college in the middle of my first semester and 2018 I was a little more financially able to go to college and now another recession as am about to graduate. My luck 😅
Here comes the frustrating experience - Worked for a company on multiple projects back in India for 5 years with great patience even though projects were bad and few of the teams were awful. Now that I moved to US for better life and better paying jobs but I'm worried that I may end up just like before
I took a Java development position with the state and it's steady. I'm hoping to find something out there later on but for now I'm definitely going to stay and ride out this job market mess.
Guys I just graduated with a MSc in neuroscience and wanted to change direction a bit and go into tech (do have a little programming knowledge, but not much on paper). What I did was email my old professors, told them I loved having them as a teacher and found their work interesting, so if they needed a helping hand with some programming, I was looking for something. Basically, unsolicited applications. I just got a coding job this way (I did have really good grades though, but still no CS degree). I found that this was a MUCH nicer form of interview process because there's no competition, and I had just 1 interview with them. When I applied for positions people were already hiring for, I had to go through 2-3 interviews minimum, make cases, take stupid personality/logic tests (I opted out before doing that lol). Such a waste of time, I really recommend unsolicited applications, because you can also apply directly to a place you think fits your interests
I finished a UX program earlier this year, a few months later than most of my classmates. My classmates who applied very early in the year have jobs, but things quickly changed and by the time I was ready to look for jobs, many companies have frozen their hiring process. The only upside to my situation is that I'm an international student in Canada, not the US.
if u didnt have a solid internship during college, then u need to apply for smaller jobs to get experience and move up. ur prestigious degree isnt worth anything unless u have some solid experience on ur resume
I interviewed for Amazon summer internship recently and received an email saying, "We have paused our hiring due to recession..................................." I guess My batch is the unluckiest batch ever 2020-24! We began during the corona and ending during recession.
I think this whole leetcode culture is problematic. I don't have a problem if you ask easy and some medium problems to screen some of the candidates. But what is the whole point of being a pro at solving puzzles but then writing unmaintainable, unreadable, non-refactorable, monolithic, tightly coupled code? From leetcode to shitcode. I think the industry should just do one puzzle or two, and the rest be more oriented towards clean code.
Honestly I also graduated into the time where it seems like finding a decent job related to the degree is difficult as well (animation). But I've been doing small gigs and smaller jobs. Better to be working on something and learning new skills. I'm sure eventually I'll find a job and I get to say I've been focusing on honing my skills and working on smaller projects with teams. Funny enough I started working on coding recently too to broaden my knowledge and skillset.
Estimated graduation for Software Engineering was Fall2023 but now trying to get accepted into the Accelerated Masters Program for CS, hopefully this storm is over around 2024-25.
If you have a passport and/or speak another language use that opportunity to get a job out of the country it might be less but it's one hell experience
Hope y'all are doing fine, it has been a hectic semester with the scary layoffs and tougher interviews... we stay strong tho 💪😤 GL on yo incoming finals btw
Already have a vpn but getting that for u
I got 2 internship offers today so I won't keep looking for new positions but I will keep on with the other places I'm still interviewing with
@@koraxtu5989 in which Semester you are ?
@@krisshu8120 I'm 2nd year in associate's, my internships are spring and summer
@@koraxtu5989 Congrats 👏
I graduated in that last recession, no graduate jobs.. I used my contacts and found a lower paid job, with a local IT company. It was a great experience, and I got a job at a big company as a software engineer 18 months later.
People who waited for "prestigious" jobs, or expected the same starting salary as before the recession so didn't apply for "lesser" jobs, struggled to explain why they had a gap in employment after graduating.
Take whatever you can get; it's all good experience. The market will pick back up again before you know it, and that's when the interviewer wants to know what you did during the downturn.
Good advice 🙏
@@FryingPan I am a bit worried about what you said in the end, so if you do not mind, a small story: I'll be honest, I graduated a couple of decades ago and haven't worked much on my CS skills since (I've been teaching and stuff). By total accident I got a remote job in a US based company for a Junior Dev at my age, and I was like "am I really going to manage it? After all those years?" ... turns out that I did manage it. Not only that, but they were very sorry they had to not renew my contract (LIFO - Last In, First Out :P ), but they kept saying how I was their best employee, hard working and all that. And I was baffled, because I didn't think I was all that. All I did was hit the quotas, be available, be amiable with team requests and be friendly. I didn't think that was much, but of what I gathered when it comes to competing with younger people, that is now a lot to ask.
The dude they had before me and they fired him was younger and BETTER at coding than me. They kicked him in the curb and got in an old teacher from abroad and they ended up being super happy about it.
Turns out that there are *SOFT skills* that are valued as much as SOFTWARE skills.
So, for what you said in the end, do not make the mistake of getting into the grind of "forever improving". CS is a never ending pit of knowledge that is getting deeper every day. Get yourself some *soft skills* (which are forever the same at every era) and quickly try to make the jump from "coder" to "team leader" and then you can turn it down a notch. The work environment now is odd and apart from good coders, what companies want is people to *fit in* with their teams. This might explain the mystery of your friends going 10/10 in the interview tests, but failing the interview itself.
Good luck out there. I do not have a job at the moment either, but I am not living in the USA, so I am having a better time of it.
You say it as we don’t literally apply for everything and still no job 😂
man I love this message, people need hope and yes if you have to work than anything will do
@@ko-Daegu Bruh but depends on what kind of jobs u apply for and people don't notice that. People just apply on MNCs, thinking of job security lol. But startups are a place to learn tbh.
"want to join me with leet code?" that boy ascended and doesn't even realise it
Smit is a beast irl too
That was Leet the LeetCode God
Leet code and chill
I’m graduating in spring 2024 and I’m so thankful you made this video because I really needed to hear it. I’ve barely found one internship and it feels like it’ll slip out of my hands any minute. And thinking about whether I’ll be able to get a return offer just adds to all of the stress. I’ve felt really alone and discouraged in this whole job search but it feels a lot better knowing we’re all going through this together (not in a good way tho sadly lol) but good luck to all of us in our future careers!!
stay stong, brother, we are going make it
Will it stay the same in 2024?
same, but i don't think that things will stay the same until 2024 🤞🤞
If your boss tries to fire you: “I greatly appreciate your offer to return to the job hunting phase, although I greatly appreciate this offer, I’ve come the decision to turn down this offer, as after weighing the pros and cons, I’d rather be employeed.”
I love your channel. Most of the tech bloggers on youtube are experienced devs and sometimes it's difficult to relate to them. You on the on the other hand are a student like us who struggles like us. I hope this situation will somehow get better. I hope we all can find a job.
I'm a F-1 master's student from China - where switching original major to CS get popular among college students that made it easier for ppl to run out of China. Most of the previous successful ppl said on the social website said it like a simple thing, but it's only after I came to US I started to realize how hard it is to break into this rainy tech industry.
Struggling to get a single internship offer while learning hard lessons such as Distributed Systems and NP-hard problems on my Algo class have together made me burn out. But I laughed so hard when I saw the leetcode part in this video and I never thought there are so many new grad or students finding internship in the comment section feel the same as me.
Thank you for posting this video from a new grad's perspective and good luck on your future job, also good luck to all of the ppl in the comments section!
The competitive scene for getting a job after graduation was already pretty difficult but the recession has made a lot of companies volatile over time. The offers that you're getting prove that you have the skills in order to get the job, something I will say to all the people that are applying right now is that once you get your first position it is so much easier in the market to get opportunities, especially when you've had the experience working in faang companies. If you don't get into one of these top tier tech companies as your first gig that doesn't mean that you've failed, most developers don't work in tech companies and are still making extremely high salaries.
I personally think at least for the first job, you should only be picky if you are getting multiple offers; otherwise you should take what you get and learn as much as you can so you can have a higher barganing power within the market. You can apply to Faang companeis as much as you want throughout your career, even if you don't grab it right away and with mor experience can bargin for a much better salary then you can as a fresh graduate.
I'm graduating in 2023, and by the looks of it it's very discouraging. I'm not as skilled as majority of people out there, and I think my chances of being forced to leave the country is up there since I'm here on a visa. I read a study the other day that shows graduating into a recession could set your career pathway back by several years. It's so difficult to keep yourself motivated when all statistics point towards bad things :(
6:10 Pan: what are you swimming in?
Me: My tears
But hey, the Pan community don't take Ls. We turn bad times into opportunity and a challenge to go beyond 💪😤💯
Yo fuck the statistics, just keep at it 👊
Im in the same boat as you but I do have a final round interview with a FAANG company. Terrified. But I will keep grinding.
@@SmoothCode All the best 🍀
@@YourLocalCafe i dont think u can build startup on visa? can u?
Ironic how one of the reasons why I chose CS was job security 😅
CS? LMAO
as a freshman majoring in CS i was shown with statistics how there will be more jobs than people who can take them in the future
but that never made sense to begin with
@@AdrenResi get out of cs now.
@@AdrenResi always more and more companies popping up that need engineers. But don't expect to stay at companies long. Keep up your algorithm skills and soft skills and you can find work wherever.
Heck, maybe even a software consulting company. Make friends with your classmates and alumni in the industry. They can be your foot in the door. Referrals always help over cold applying. Good luck
Software isn't going anywhere. That doesn't mean it will be easy to find the job, but basically every sector needs software. Sales, medicine, manufacturing, robotics, everybody used software.
CS was still a good call in the long run. You'll have more security than people who went to coding boot camp because you have the theoretical knowledge to apply to any software technology.
I hope, you and others don´t fall under the heavy burden of anxiety. I am not even in the tech biz but the recession is biting everyone´s butt everywhere, in most spheres. but as you have said, it´s time to think about yourself and how you can improve. bad times don´t last forever, just try to learn as much as you can, improve what you can and hope for the best. crossed fingers that everything goes well for everyone.
I think the key is not to be too picky when applying for jobs. Yes, working in FANG companies is great, but there are many more companies that offer pretty good perks, solid pay, and most importantly offer invaluable experience. If the economy sorts itself out after 1-2 years, then one could apply again to more well-known companies with the experience they've gained.
But at the end of the day, there's more to getting a job at a company. Having side hustles/passion projects are great too along with freelancing.
What's the difference in salaries between these 2 companies?
@@overlord658 Which 2?
"Want to leetcode with me?" He said with a sense of urgency and agression in his voice, as if startled and shocked by the world Pan momentarily awakened him to. But when he turned his head, he still saw LeetCode. The world was LeetCode--and Pan was also LeetCode. Then he felt it. We are all like fish swimming against the machinations of The Endlessly Recurring Simulation. The LeetCode of the gods.
Part 2:
When he looked at Pan, he felt a spark of inspiration. This spark, however, was like a flame met with a great tinder, and the experience from all his LeetCode flashed through his eyes. Every single problem was ingrained in his memory at that moment, and still the fire continued to rage and spread like a forest fire. He remembered one particular problem and he recognized something deep inside of Pan which Pan himself never so much as glimpsed a corner.
"Isn't this like a binary tree?" He thought, and while his intense gaze was starting to make Pan feel uncomfortable, he was absorbed in a different world. It was as if he had been blind his entire life and finally regained his vision.
"If its a binary tree, it must be able to be inverted." With that thought, he felt that he was no longer looking at Pan, but a shuttling array of numbers linked with lines. Soon, like he had imagined countless times in his head, the numbers started to shift and change and reorganize themselves. He felt the changes in the depth of his being, and the startling changes also reflected in reality. He had firmly grasped a corner of The Great LeetCode.
Pan was upside down. Not only that, his facial features were flipped like a mirror. There was also something else, he felt his memories of Pan grow fuzzy. The same was true of all Pan's relatives and acquantances.
"Or... that's not right. Yes, I remember now, his name was naP."
I graduated a couple months ago with a Master's in Mathematics. Not just pure mathematics either; hardcore theoretical industry math that is highly applicable to any analyst or engineering-coding role out there. It took me so long to find something and I finally got one job offer this Monday making 82.5k + 7,500 signon bonus in Columbus, OH. It's been a tough search, but I'm glad I found this job in the middle of this job crisis as it sets me up for greater things in easier times.
5:26 "Some people will luck out and get complacent, Some people fail and give up. Both of these options are extremely scary to me" - Frying Pan
I felt this one coming. I am in my junior year of college but seeing the current environment in the industry made decide to go for a dual degree on Computer Science and Applied Mathematics, that way I can delay my graduation year and hopefully allow time for the market to heal more before I start the job hunt.
Graduated in May this year. After 6 months of active job hunting and 700s applications, finally got an offer starting next year in May. I still feel not safe as well. The recission and tech laid-offs really be destroying me inside out mentally and financially.
Damn dude, I am on 150 apps right now and getting discouraged.
Damn I'm on 70 and already giving up😭😔
I graduated during covid lockdown , company was not hiring because everyone have to work from home, so they rather keep current workforce and implement "hiring freeze". I literally took any job despite being from a prestigious university (top 10 QS ranking) , and my job was a data analyst , statistics degree wasn't enough for data scientist roles.
Fast forward 2.5 years , I'm a data scientist after I jumped out of my first job. My first job was a data analyst but I built ML models for the company and discussed it during interviews. I do get interviews/offers from tech companies but still decided to take on the banking industry instead.
So I think it's better to take incoming opportunity quickly at this time, and prepare for the one you truly desire. You are literally buying time (2YOE/5YOE). The longer you prepare , the higher your TC and levelling band if you are excelling in your current job.
Tips : Recruiter looks at experience > University > Skillsets. So a job is very important , i.e first checkpoint. Of course, if you are from Faang , you are likely to proceed for tech companies.
you boys are feeling what it was like in '08 for my generation - good luck.
I had two internships with small local businesses. The first one cut me off because the government funding ended, the second one ended up giving me one paycheque after two months of work. In the end, I worked as a part-timer in a fast food restaurant with people asking me why aren't I getting a well paying job. Shit happens and there's nothing you can do.
"thats way more prestigious than 1 sigma" 💀
Every CS major students should not be so worried about actual problems of big tech companies. Ok it will be more difficult to get a job at FAANG, but CS skills can be applied in many other fields, even if the core subject of the job is not software development anymore. It can even be a good thing for economy, not having those few top companies hiring the best talents in swe or data or any related subjects. There are still many jobs needing skilled people with dev skills!! :)
True and you can star in a non top tier company and enter just after
True
please tell me where, my anxiety is thru the roof (graduating 2024, cant find a single internship)
@@126sivgucsivanshgupta2 Literally hundreds, if not thousands of other high paying companies to go for apart from FAANG, if you want a software engineering job
Look at companies in the field of energy, or cybersecurity, chemistry, computer science for biology/medecine... In my country we have problems to recruit in those fields, so I suppose many other countries face the same kind of issues.. Don't panic, I may be optimistic but I'm sure there is place for all kind of engineers in companies (and not only companies, public services also!!) :)
"that's way more prestigious than one sigma"
Sup wand
I was in highschool during 08. I couldn't get my first shitty job to hold me through college until almost 2016. Graduated 2020 with EE because of financial aid issues (read: even McDonald's wasn't hiring). Worked for 2 years and just survived one round of layoffs.
You GenZ guys are basically going through what we went through
"And because of A.I, no more jobs ever again."
"What?"
"And by the way, rent increases 20% every year."
I am rewatching these again after my joining at an MNC got delayed by 2 months. These help!
There's nothing like an ad for an online coding boot camp on a video about how getting a job in the tech industry is risky as many are getting fired or rescinded or not hired. The irony.
I was planning on graduating Spring 23, but I'm thinking of delaying it for the next recruiting season. Waffle house literally pulled up to our career fair talking about "if you ever drop out, were here for you" 💀 no bullshit
hey bro just remember, youre way ahead of all of us self taught people just by having that degree, regardless of our abilities. We can have all the skills a job wants and they still wont even talk to us. we are dirt to the HR teams.
pan: "we will get a complete chicken"
waitress: "sorry, aren't you broke?"
She asked for my signature shortly after (true story)
Oh...so that was the full sentence
"Just don't get fired" haha got me on that one
I come from India where there was a tech recession in 2018 as well when I graduated. Back then it was the impact of trump Presidency on H1B visas that reduced job vacancies in Indian tech companies. Many of my friends went to startup or BPO for lower paid jobs who then struggled a lot to get well paying tech jobs. But I started to prepare for government jobs here in India which are highly paid and secured. After four years of failed attempts in various government exams, I recently got selected in one financial regulatory body with salary higher than that of SDE 1 at FAANG India.
RBI grade B?
@@uwu-dm7vb lol. Bank PO also has gross salary same as base pay of FAANG India. Stocks means nothing the current market teaches it.
A govt paying better than entry-level FAANG, wow. Nice job man.
@@neildevtech when you exclude the stock as you can't spend thst amount from first month
Can you also tell what is the job you got selected for?
Bro I don't know what to do anymore. I was also a SWE Intern at Meta this past summer but I didn't get the return offer (think I was EE) and I started applying SLIGHTLY too late after the internship ended. I've now been rejected at 4 places after going through their interview loops because they got full, and didn't pass a couple other final rounds.
Meta is the 3rd internship on my resume and I'm STILL getting constantly resume rejected as well. It feels so hopeless :(
Still grinding and applying to anything I see but it feels like I'm going to be unemployed come next fall :/
I'm also a software eng with a "senior" experience. But if you're gonna ask me, I'd be happy to downgrade my salary and seek mid-dev positions with lesser pay than I have today just for the sake of being chill in life. Trust me, you can be happy with less.
Than just do it instead of complaining
i feel like pan is the group leader among his friends
thanks for posting man, keeps me motivated
Ty for ur comment, keeps me motivated
keep yo head up Pan it'll work out big love
What can I say other than, I'm in the same boat as you. It's nice to see there's so many others experiencing the same thing!
I watch your videos often and just get a burst of confidence seeing you succeed each time. I basically got into CS in college with no prior experiences like you and I just received my first internship offer for next summer! I’m feeling the most optimistic and on cloud nine right now, and I just wanted to thank you for keeping me sane during the job search (and leetcoding god 😂)
The 09 recession ruined my life. Couldn't get a web Dev job after graduating with my cs degree and went into sales for 10 years. Switched careers back to tech and now in cyber security and finally making good money 10 years too late, dont be like me, keep applying
Is the CyberSecurity field still in pretty good shape in terms of hiring? About to graduate in a few months
@@loganjohnson8450 Yup, until they replace all the end users with robots and AI you will always have idiots clicking on emails and links they shouldnt. I will say it was the hardest ever to get my first full time gig, and that was with a year of sys admin experience. Took about a year of applying and interviewing to get my first cyber gig but worth it.
@@innocentrage1 Good Job man! And yea, until robots can secure themselves, they will need someone ot keep the robots and AI secure. Thank you for the response!
5:10 man spitting facts 💯💯
If you have an online exam to apply for a job, use all the tools available. The only thing that matters is getting the job.
You nailed the video when you added the Indian Guy with 500+ leetcode questions! 🤣🤣
The only reason CS ever made money is because of ads. And Apple is slaughtering ad revenue. But building your own product is a great idea. I'd pursue that and stick to employment as a stepping stone.
Back in the golden days of tech in the 90's hardware was the primary seller. The software's job was to compliment the hardware and do amazing things. Video game consoles in particular revolutionized the world along with home computers with UI's.
Apple and Nintendo have always been the two most impactful players in tech, and then later on Nvidia, IBM and ARM as well.
I graduate from high school in 2023 and I'm planning on going into cs but this is making me second guess myself. I'm not gifted when it comes to problem solving and coding but I'm definitely gonna try and develop my skills besides just what's taught in school and uni, and explore other specialisations like cybersecurity, ai and game development. Hopefully everything settles down by 2026-27 when I'll be on the lookout for internships and jobs!
CS is still extremely good regardless, keep it up brother
i’m in the exact same position!
coding and problem solving doesn’t come naturally to me but it’s so fun. a bit scared for uni next year but it’ll be fun :D
also in the same boat but I feel like the economy will be rebounded and booming by then and you can finally get your 3 gigma offer.
same problem here bro. all ik is some basic level python and html and sql aka stuff taught in hs level. imma be grad next year too and looking at these tech job recessions and how competitive its about to get this gonna be scary
@@uk8982 homie, your time frame is too short. The US has a boom bust economy. It's a feature, not a bug. By the time we graduate in 2027 the job market will once again be hot and we can both be google and facebook engineers
Bro competition in US/UK is far far less than India and China.
Most of the people here do competitive programming or solve around 800-1000 questions on Leetcode.
That's like a minimum here.
Indian is overpopulated, not something to show off.
Also most Indian coders are known to be bad. The good ones would try to come to the USA.
Idk man i dont think we can compare it because alot of people who are not from US is competing for working in the US so we cannot see static just by oh US got less active expert/blue in codeforce so that's mean US is less competitive
i do think the work ethic of people from overseas is much more hardcore. they really want to make it and they push themselves to get here, and they aren't too picky on their initial salaries as long as they get here lol.
but yes, local competition will definitely be less than the global competition. always been that way.
“If we don’t give up, we can’t lose.”
- Pan (2022)
fireee. me and my brother are deadass in Milan Italy watching ur vids rn.. they’re so good
Yup, this was me in 2008. It's refreshing seeing this on TH-cam despite the job climate :/ But I have faith in you. I know it's not a lot, but it's wild. I def get it though.
The wild part is that these layoffs is that they're still the preemptive round in anticipation of a coming recession. These aren't even the "we are actually in a recession" layoffs. Once revenue dramatically slows, ad spending dies down, and really gross earnings start getting posted it's actually going to get much worse before it gets better.
If your wants to fire you, just say "No"
BREAKING NEWS: *"Recession rates drop to 0!"*
Nothing compared to entering the barely existent IT industry just after Y2K layoffs and earning nearly nothing once employed.
Gotta love getting those no-reply emails from a company you applied to 2 days ago
yup
Graduating next month with a degree in GIS(geographic information science). Really hoping to find a job as. GIS developer. Same thing as a software developer but with a focus on GIS. I’d say it’s a niche field. Hopefully since it is fairly niche I hope I can get a job. Been applying but haven’t heard back yet.
GL 🙏
@@FryingPan same to you! And keep up the awesome videos!
As someone in GIS who grad'd early/mid pandemic+lockdown in a foreign country, i wish you all the luck. 🙏
This video is the most relatable shit ever
I’d honestly be more afraid of GTP 3. That shit is insane.
*…Crickets*
i love your philosophy at 5:16
I graduated right at the start of the pandemic and it was really hard finding a job or even an internship... All the company wanted to hire senior devs... I found a job after 5 months of search... Don't lose hope there is a job out there but it might take a lil bit more time :/
This is literally the second reason why I held 3 fulltime software engineering job. I recently got laid off at one. Too much anxiety with just only one job.
Bro how tf... 3???? Salute man
Truly a 1/3x engineer
How do you find time for all of them?
@@reignu3940 some software engineering jobs are remote so he prob just logs into his work laptop and calls it a day
@@30daynotice19 hmm in my country it is illegal to do 2 jobs at the same time in the same domain
I graduated in 2009. Welcome to fukn hell, my friends lol
If you actually need a job apply to the low key places that have nothing to do with tech. By comparison you’ll be a god. If you work on the bleeding edge, your employer will never be satisfied.
me on 2020 - I just graduated in the worse possible time but its fine I will just go back to school for a masters maybe in two years I would be better. me in 2022 - PhD maybe?
🤣😂😳
Graduating this fall and the current situation is really bad, especially if you are an international student. Large companies stopped hiring and local companies does not hire people using OPT or people that need sponsorship.
Thank you for the vlog
Ty for the comment
Thankfully I just accepted a full time offer at a Major Bank after graduating in a Data Analyst role. Unrelated Bachelors but did a Masters in Data Analytics. Did a summer internship but didn't receive a full time offer. Put out 200+ applications, interview with 6 different companies, and be accepted to one. Stay strong out there.
Whats the pay for this role?
@@ottoponte6870 90k plus performance bonus
I graduated this year, and now I am jobless!!!
Thankfully I got lucky enough to graduate in June and was able to find a job that I absolutely LOVE 3 months later (I graduated with a 2.8 GPA btw so people worrying about college performance shouldn't stress too much)
Where is your helicopter???......
"Coming soon"
That's the spirit.
2:33 your friend is very business in the front PARTY IN THE BACK!
If your dream is achievable in just 4-6 years of university, how is that a dream? That's just a checkpoint.
Yea, I saw the video too
Damnnnnnnnnnn
Good luck with your finals ✌️
While theres a recession, the cyber security market is desperate.
the problem is that all you guys apply for the same positions in the same companies. Why don't you apply for less known companies? It's still a great salary just not the same reputation maybe.
i was just thinking of this, why not apply to local companies that dont have as much competition and actually cares for their workers? Even a big local company should be fine imo, but i cant talk too much since im not even in university rn
the pay is less and they dont give you free lunches
@@user-bf3yh6ue7p Cuz they're mostly entitled kids who got used to royal treatment.
Any person in other fields would kill to live like them.
SO ouch of touch.
I think most do? I am at least. Anyone who is only applying to big tech in this economy is either an idiot or has a massive ego, and they will get fucked over or get extremely lucky
@@swank8508 i think you are being ironic but a job doesnt weight it self by having or not free lunches.
Man I am fuck. I graduated high school in a recession, so I had to drop out of college in the middle of my first semester and 2018 I was a little more financially able to go to college and now another recession as am about to graduate. My luck 😅
Here comes the frustrating experience - Worked for a company on multiple projects back in India for 5 years with great patience even though projects were bad and few of the teams were awful. Now that I moved to US for better life and better paying jobs but I'm worried that I may end up just like before
Hey bro, stay strong. Times are tough right now, and failure is knocking on the door. Don't lose hope, we are all in this together.
@@nahiyan4564 💪
I took a Java development position with the state and it's steady. I'm hoping to find something out there later on but for now I'm definitely going to stay and ride out this job market mess.
Apply to FTX, they have a CTO position open ;)
Great idea!
people out here applying for six figure salary jobs with years of experience and here I’m thinking I’m slick typing hello world
🥲🤣
Same with me except I'm just starting to dive into the world of Booleans and basic methods.
Get whatever you can get and keep trying
Guys I just graduated with a MSc in neuroscience and wanted to change direction a bit and go into tech (do have a little programming knowledge, but not much on paper). What I did was email my old professors, told them I loved having them as a teacher and found their work interesting, so if they needed a helping hand with some programming, I was looking for something. Basically, unsolicited applications. I just got a coding job this way (I did have really good grades though, but still no CS degree).
I found that this was a MUCH nicer form of interview process because there's no competition, and I had just 1 interview with them. When I applied for positions people were already hiring for, I had to go through 2-3 interviews minimum, make cases, take stupid personality/logic tests (I opted out before doing that lol). Such a waste of time, I really recommend unsolicited applications, because you can also apply directly to a place you think fits your interests
definetly taking this into account, thank you!
We software engineer need to form an union or else we will be worst than working in mcdonald.
I finished a UX program earlier this year, a few months later than most of my classmates. My classmates who applied very early in the year have jobs, but things quickly changed and by the time I was ready to look for jobs, many companies have frozen their hiring process. The only upside to my situation is that I'm an international student in Canada, not the US.
Why this is an upside?
@@ottoponte6870 presumably because they can return to Canada and look for jobs there, rather than being directly affected by the US tech layoff?
if u didnt have a solid internship during college, then u need to apply for smaller jobs to get experience and move up. ur prestigious degree isnt worth anything unless u have some solid experience on ur resume
Wow more degrees and bigger inflation why I'm not surprised
Pan Suffering from Employment
I interviewed for Amazon summer internship recently and received an email saying, "We have paused our hiring due to recession..................................." I guess My batch is the unluckiest batch ever 2020-24! We began during the corona and ending during recession.
Just be glad you have job offers and you aren't stuck in he public sector like I am.
Yeah you always need to strive for better
I got a job with 0 leetcode, without a degree, without connections and with shit portfolio 🤣🤣. I am loving it, feels good not leaving in USA
my roommate from india just got a full time at apple as a software engineer. his girlfriend didn’t get it which was awkward
I think this whole leetcode culture is problematic.
I don't have a problem if you ask easy and some medium problems to screen some of the candidates.
But what is the whole point of being a pro at solving puzzles but then writing unmaintainable, unreadable, non-refactorable, monolithic, tightly coupled code?
From leetcode to shitcode.
I think the industry should just do one puzzle or two, and the rest be more oriented towards clean code.
Yup graduating during the 2008 crisis was rough couldn't find a job for years.
Honestly I also graduated into the time where it seems like finding a decent job related to the degree is difficult as well (animation). But I've been doing small gigs and smaller jobs. Better to be working on something and learning new skills. I'm sure eventually I'll find a job and I get to say I've been focusing on honing my skills and working on smaller projects with teams. Funny enough I started working on coding recently too to broaden my knowledge and skillset.
you guys go to university and im self-taught, i have a mid-level portfolio but hearing this makes me not even want to put myself out there. goddammit
Always put yourself out there. (: Do it, fail, do it better and succeed.
I been on the job market since Dec. 2020 it's an amazing time to get that engineering degree guys
me looking for co-op for summer 2023 when co-op is a pre-req for capstone 🤡
what a great time lol
Estimated graduation for Software Engineering was Fall2023 but now trying to get accepted into the Accelerated Masters Program for CS, hopefully this storm is over around 2024-25.
If you have a passport and/or speak another language use that opportunity to get a job out of the country it might be less but it's one hell experience
Laugh in Argentinian that is always on recesion
There's that Indian guy always still not enough 😅😅😅