This play is pissing so many people off
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2023
- Today I want to take a quick look at the Tush Push, a controversial play used primarily by the Philadelphia Eagles which some NFL fans are saying should be banned. We'll cover the controversy on today's NFL football video!
Fantasy football should never be a reason to criticize a play.
Lol anyone who does is just huffing copium
Immediately discarded anything else this nerd had to say after that
It's not that serious
It was clearly a joke. He even literally said he was joking.
@@djmohab2he’s joking
If the play is so overpowered then why has every other team that's tried it failed? 🤔. It's almost like the Eagles have one of the best rushing QBs and the best O lines in the NFL.
Jalen hurts is insanely strong for a qb which i think is a big part of their success with this play
Simple solution: Draft a good O Line. Bengals could be so goood if they drafted a competent O Line.
Other teams have morales
That’s almost like word for word what he said at the beginning of the video
@@coachgaddyWho is Morales? Lol. Moron.
We've already seen countless times this season alone that Jalen Hurts crosses the plain BEFORE the running backs are even pushing. The majority of the power and work is done by the tanks in FRONT of Hurts, NOT the backs pushing him from behind. If they ban the push from behind, the Eagles would still be more successful than the majority of teams currently are because of the powerhouse O line they've worked to build.
im frm mz and a m8s brother back 98 said tht a maul would be a perfect ply in th nfl ....ther is a easy way to stop a maul in rugga tht is ilegal and thts knee cap the maul
i’m surprised the don’t just do this with their running back instead to reduce risk of injury for jalen
Agreed. The leverage is from Hurts pushing the Center and Guard. Not from the running back pushing him.
@@Lorenzocmendozathat’s one of the most sensible comments I’ve heard. Get a 3rd or 4th running back in and if he gets injured there is no serious loss.
It’s not like a Rugby scrum but more like a Maul. Scrums start with all players locked together fighting for a ball that is placed on the ground. A maul you try to bring a player down who has the ball while his teammates push with him. In a proper ruck the ball can even be handed off to player behind you and/or the player peels off and runs for more meters.
Considering American football evolved out of Rugby I’m surprised more teams aren’t trying to incorporate more rugby tactics into their game play.
The ball cannot be handed off in a ruck. If you handle the ball in a ruck, you will be penalized. However, the maul, by definition means the ball is in the player's hands and can be handed off to player behind you. I agree with you that the NFL shoulld study rugby tactics to learn how to defend a maul on their goaline.
Finally!! Thank you.
Because Rugby is too physical. This type of gameplay requires a mindset of a hard hitter. Something the league is trying to get rid of. So I’m not going to be surprised if it gets ruled “too violent” and banned.
Plus it's boring to watch nothing worse then seeing a try from a Maul.@@df6148
im frm mz and a m8s brother back 98 said tht a maul would be a perfect ply in th nfl ....ther is a easy way to stop a maul in rugga tht is ilegal and thts knee cap the maul
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People were pissed about the forward pass, too. Every play has counters, figure it out.
Exactly
Except the Defensive line is banned from actually doing this in many situations.
And so we've had a passing league ever since
@@brianlevine249 That's just the NFL
Pushing the ball-carrier from behind used to be against the rules.
Why not make it legal in baseball to push a runner off the base so they can be tagged out? Not all that different.
"Rugby scrum," gimme a break.
That play kills me, every single time.
-Seahawks-Marshawn Lynch fan
Back in my day we called it the wedge although we weren’t allowed to push from behind (illegal back then) our line had to go lower than the defense and push; had a lot of success with short yardage. When teams did this to us our defense was called HOG and we dropped and rolled into the offense line tripping them up and stooped the play; Washington did it to the Eagles this past Sunday and Hurts went around the left end,
I thought it was still illegal. When did that change?
Well... those phrases gave me flashbacks to mid 90s twoadays in Alabama heat.
@@warbaby5490 2005 I think. It really should be illegal still.
@@WhiteG60unfortunately they do pull too. Not on those short yardage plays but downfield they push and pull and get extra yardage.
knee cappin a maul in rugby is ilegal cause it wrks
If a team can’t stop a legal play, then it’s the fault of the team that can’t stop the play not the team running the play.
all things are legal until they are deemed bad for the league or safety and then they become illegal. facemask, defenseless reciever, etc
@@killerx4123 but it will take something drastic to change it.
@@ravivaithinathan1222 Devin Hester caused them to change the rules for kickoffs. This play isn't that safe, especially for the linemen. If it becomes too easy to get a first down, they will change the rules just like they did because of Hester's insane ability to score on kickoffs.
@@phoenixDARKprince yea, I think that is dumb to change that rule if it is because of Hester, if you’re right, since overall it is hard to do.
that is asinine
No one is stopping any other team from doing it !
Capt Obvious says: no other team has a top o-line plus a QB that squats 600lbs
When football started way back in 1869, it was the Brotherly Shove on nearly every play. it was called the wedge.
I read Walter Camp’s book about how he developed the game from Rugby
The fact that other teams aren't as successful shows the play isn't "a cheat code". Other teams have failed because the Eagles have an elite OL and Hurts benches 225 and squats 600.
Eagles choked, Phillies choked, Sixers choked, Union choked. City of Brotherly L’s
@@tylerscott445 oh, okay genius.
@@tylerscott445 Has nothing to do woth my post. Pathetic.
He benches a lot more than 225.
@@zyxwut321 yes, actually 275 as a Freshman
During the '85 Bears classic demolition of the Cowboys, William Perry was penalized for "illegal use of hands" because he was "pushing the runner" (Walter Payton). Has this rule changed since then? In the "Tush Push" the runner is obviously being pushed, so why is this not illegal use of hands?
Yes that rule changed. It used to be that other players were not allowed to push a teammate who had the ball. That was done away with. It happens all the time now. I have seen plenty of plays where the referees have allowed players to be pushed by their teammates
I think he was actually trying to carry Walter Payton into the end zone. It was so funny.
rule changed 2005 NFL, 2012 College, most high schools still illegal.
@@WCPFISH I am another "old timer" who didn't realize the rule changed in 2005. It seemed like it existed for a good and obvious reason. It's weird to me to see other players pushing a runner forward.
Now you can legally push but not pull a teammate.
Of course they're pissed. Defensive lines are actually banned from doing this. So it's guaranteed yardage for the O-Line
A defensive line will almost always lose against a QB sneak play, because the offense knows when the ball will be snapped, so the offense will always have an advantage against the defense
That’s wrong
@John-ue9pt No its not. Show receipts or sit down and shut up
What nonsense. If it's guaranteed, why are we only talking about the eagles? Why aren't other teams abusing this guarantee?
Calling it an "unstoppable play" isn't really appropriate when 14 teams have tried it this season and only half of them have succeeded. It's a play that takes strength of team and group athleticism which is in the very spirit and heart of football.
it’s just Eagles / Hurts/ black qb haters that cry about it . they other teams fail because they have bad offensive line play .
Found the racist. Someone cannot help but bring skin pigment into a discussion about a goal line football play.
@@peterf.229 I agree. If Manning or Brady was doing this, no one would say a word. Idk how many times I have seen the Chicago Bears do this and fail the last several years.
Like any non-traditional play, it only pisses people off when it works against them. "The league should do something about that."
@@matthewseedorf8465 this was a failed race bait troll. People constantly whinned all the time about Brady. You actually not aware of Deflate gate? Theres literally hundreds of posts calling out Bradys alleged cheating or shady plays.
I seem to recall this happening in past years. I have even seen receivers pushed forward by teamates when defenders are in the way.
NOT an Eagles fan, but that's a good tactic they should keep using. Good on the NFL social media person for making that their X/Twitter banner too.
U said it dude !!!
"for", not "on".
Dipshht simpleton
just Twitter no one is using that dogshit X
Defensive coordinators need to bring an extra DT and essentially line the 3 of them up like prop-hooker-prop in a scrum. Force the Eagles to run outside the guards in those 1 yard situations, You can see in these replays that most teams line up 2 vs 3 in the guard box and that is just asking for the sneak to succeed.
It took the bears a couple weeks to figure this one out. Even against Washington they thought it was a good idea to put their 165 pound receiver in the backfield instead of a bigger stronger player
No way! Eck, I didn't know you had an NFL page. Subbed!
You almost never hear REAL TALK about this play:
1. As Richard Sherman said, the NFL is hypocritical in how they don't let defenses attack looe this on punts anf FG tries for ppayer safety, but when this play helps the offense, nobody cares.
2. This is old school football... except the part of being able to push. Remember the Ice Bowl QB sneak by Bart Star? The HB isn't signaling TD, he is showing the officals that he isn't pushing because that was against the rules for decades.
3. Nobody cared that Brady was (and still is in the all-time record books) the best at QB sneaks because he wasn't getting a tush push, amd was earning in on his own with a signal between him and his center if he liked an alignment and saw a gap.
4. People keep acting like only tye Eagles are good at it and come up with lies that everyone else failed at their attempts. I am a 49ers fan. I have seen them do it twoce this year already and line up and fake it and just handed it to CMC to the edge vs a stacked front.
I am a former offensive lineman myself and love this play. Hell, I coach amateur adults and we abuse QB sneak/keepers when the defense doesn't respect the A gaps. As a Center myself, my QB and Guards and I would see bad A gap alignment, get a double on the nose, drive hik off tue ball to the LB or on his back and let the QB run for 4+. Once we forced the defense in the league to respect the A gaps, we attacked off tackle and broke the big 20+ yard runs. Love trench play. Just ban the push from behind.
This play was illegal back in the mid 19 hundreds. The ice bowl where lombardi says "run it and lets get the hell outta here" nobody was allowed to push the quarterback forward at the line of scrimmage. That being said, its been legal for quite some time, im not sure why more teams dont do it.
The front 3 (center and guards) are essentially executing chop blocks below the waist or forcing the defense face down onto the ground. It's up to the owners if they want this to be a legal play. As it is currently allowed, other teams should use the same tactics.
They try to - But they simply cannot do it the Eagles deal. A testament to the Eagles O-line and the strength of Hurts , who can squat 600 pounds. No other team in the NFL can execute this way or has the talent to do so. Simple as that - But yes, it should NOT be banned in any circumstance...that would be truly idiotic
WHEN other teams figure out a way to stop it, it will unavoidably be based on overpowering the push, which WILL lead to more QB injuries
If that’s the case then ban special teams? The LEADING cause of injuries. QB sneaks been around forever, eagles figured it out
A defensive line will almost always lose against a QB sneak play, because the offense knows when the ball will be snapped, so the offense will always have an advantage against the defense
good, QBs deserve to get injured
Then change the play slightly. Ask the team with the ball if they want to go for it. If they do then have the whole team line up right on the line with everyone of the players in a linked hold. then the Ref starts the play and the teams have a controlled game of reverse tug-of-war. the ref counts to 7 and then decides wqhat happens after he stops the play. No one gets hurt.
@@user-td3du7jk2x you've just re-invented the scrum from rugby union...
Having played Rugby in college, this is a typical scrum where both teams lock head to head and attempt to push the other team off the ball. The play is just pure strength, like arm wrestling. NFL defenses are built for movement and fast response on the open field, not which team has the strongest guys.
Is there an offensive controlled snap in rugby where the defense cannot move before the offense?
No, there isn't.
It isn't the same.
Mailata said it's not a scrum.
Does Rugby have a rule preventing the defensive players from pushing each other?
@@jessejordache1869 If I understand the question, everyone on the field plays offense and defense. If your team possesses the ball, then you are on offense, and if the other team possesses the ball, then you are on defense. Offense and defense switches back and forth constantly. There is no blocking which is a penalty. During a Maul, Ruck or Scrum, players will lock together and form a unit to push the other team off the ball. Any other player on the team behind the mass unit formed can push from behind. These are usually the smaller guys.
@@jessejordache1869 No its encouraged in a situation like this.
If you want to see more search for "Rugby maul" on TH-cam. (Or scrum, the scrum is more of an organized thing, mauls are the spontaneous variant). In both situations both offensive as well as defensive players work together by pushing each other, trying to get the ball to move in a for them favorable position. (Note: you can only start pushing from the back of the situation, so towards where you have to score though, you cannot come in from the side)
As a sports team, if you find an unstoppable play, you would be negligent to not use it whenever possible. Its not the Eagles' fault that other teams aren't capable of exucuting this play at the same level.
It's literal the point I'd sport, esp noticeable in motor sport (rallying in particular): find a way/loophole to beat the other teams. As long as its not connotes unethical, that it seems like cheating, it's fair game
Last week against Philly, Kelce slightly moved the ball before snapping it and the left guard shot out a split second before the ball was actually snapped, should have been a false start on either Kelce or the left guard. Not saying they do that every time, but they sure did it against Washington last week.
It used to be illegal until 2006. The call is "assisting the runner". Pushing used to be part of that rule, but was taken out in 2006 as it was seen as a natural tendency. You still cannot pull or lift a runner
I always thought that rule was dumb too to be honest. What are they afraid of? A group of lineman carrying a RB to the endzone?
As a Jalen Hurts fantasy owner I love this play
Nobody cares about your fantasy bro
No problem with QB sneaks. I do have a problem with two players pushing from behind. Also, require OLine not to use open hands. That would change line play.
There was a rule in Canadian Football called the tandem buck. You could not push a player with the ball forward.
I always wondered why the scrum push wasnt used more in football. It's usually quite successful when a guy wont go down and another teammate gives him a big push.
In 1894 a rule forbidding the use of flying wedge in football was passed. This rule forbids the locking together of players. In contrast, a rugby scrum (or maul) consists of players locked together and attempting to push the other team off the ball. Therefore, the "tush Push" should be penalized under the rule forbidding "assisting the runner" - but it isn't .
Didn't seem to ask the most pertinent question - is there an OHS issue with the play? Are necks getting compressed? Are you getting heaps of soft tissue injuries dues to that tangled pile-up of bodies? If a type of play is highly injurious with little gain in excitement or spectacle, then you should try to regulate it out of the game.
They did it a lot last year, so there's no crying this year. Any team that feels it was an unfair advantage could be running the same play.
It is an unfair advantage. The Eagles have an unfair amount of skill on their team which must be penalized. Lol
Read the fine print in the NFL rulebook, that only applies when playing the Chiefs.@@SeraphsWitness
@@SeraphsWitness So basically it's unfair cuz the eagles are too good? I can t tell if ur being sarcastic, but if ur being serious, then u might as well call the forward pass cheating, cuz some teams are better at it than others. Namely the chiefs.
@@cortezchavez5891 I didn't say the eagles were cheating. I'm in favor of the play remaining. I'm pointing out that the eagles are really good. And if other teams want to do it too, they're going to have to get good.
@@SeraphsWitness So you were being sarcasric. Ok my bad, I misunderstood, I'm a packers fan, so I know how it feels to be hated cuz ur too fucking good 🤣🤣🤣.
It’s called the Brotherly Shove now. Pass it on.
It's called the Brotherly Shove.
What are you saying about league leading rushing TD’s? We are 5 weeks in. 25 rushing td’s in how long?
Great tactic. Expecting defenses to stack the box
The NFL: "Every year we have to add more rules to make playing defense illegal in the name of protecting players, especially QBs, from injury"
Also the NFL: "It should be legal to use the QB head-first as a battering ram"
“Using your body as a battering ram” literally describes all power running in football lol
this is an illogical statement. The QB is stationary before the snap. He is not running at full speed using his head as a battering ram! But I think you already know this.
He is not a passer. He is a runner. The penalties prevent roughing the "passer"
It's literally why I don't watch football anymore. THEY HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO CALL IT.
What really "turned me off" was watching just what you mentioned: Offensive players "lowering their head", and then watching the defender get tossed from the game because "the helmets touched." THAT'S WHY THEY'RE WEARING HELMETS.
Totally OK for a RB to "Juggernaut" their way right through the defender, HEAD FIRST....but if the defender does it??? DISQUALIFIED.
I'm enjoying my Sunday afternoons, not watching "hypocrisy football".
Say you don't know the game without saying you don't know the game 😂
Very interesting! Great video. Thanks.
Ironic that the play essentially a rugby scrum and football started as rugby until the rules started to differ, essentially after the forward pass was adopted.
This is the essence of football from its very inception.
Assisting the runner by pushing or pulling them was illegal in the NFL for decades until the rule was taken away in the mid 2000's (2005 if I remember correctly). This is 100% not the essence of football. This is the essence of a schoolyard dog pile
@@tommylomeinI may be incorrect but pulling is still illegal while pushing is not.
@@tommylomein Maybe but it obviously SHOULD NOT be banned. Teams can stop it. Also, the fact other teams tried it AND FAILED, shows right there that it should never be banned. Makes no logical sense.
@@coryfoster4907 Pushing to aid the runner was banned at all levels of football for decades until 2005 when the NFL removed pushing from the rule and left it so only pulling the runner forward is illegal. Nobody is telling the league they should ban the QB sneak. If you watched their most recent game you can see both times the eagles ran the play there were multiple guys from both teams lined up offsides and defensive guys jumping on the pile because there's literally no other way to defend it. That's not a safe play for anyone and it's barely even football. Defenses are going to continue jumping on the pile and guys are going to get hurt because the defense has to resort to jumping on the pile. Eagles left tackle was caught under the pile getting his head/neck area stepped on by guys jumping on the pile. Let's just return the QB sneak to what it was for the entire history of football pre 2020.
@@coryfoster4907 you're completely misrepresenting the argument by saying that people want the QB sneak banned. Literally nobody is saying that except for eagles fans trying to make a straw man
The Chiefs figured it out. Win the game and it doesn't matter.
You said it. The Eagles have one of if not the best offensive line in the league. Other teams try the play with minimal success for that reason alone.
Tush push is very similar to a rugby 'maul'.
I'm surprised teams haven't consulted elite rugby coaches, on How to defend a maul [ and adapt it for gird iron]
As an Eagles fan, this is the best play I’ve ever seen in my life
I love how when I watch it around people some anti eagles fans are like Noooooooooo… and we’re 100% confident we get a first down. I’ve had some clown take his anger out on a eagles fan there over it but they are doing awesome using it
Why they acting like yall invented this play??
However its not against the rules there just a good team
It used to be.
@@Isaac-eh6uu really. I actually never knew that and i started watching in 2018
@@Isaac-eh6uu THat is false; Brady did this for YEARS with the Patriots.
@@sodasaintcommentaries4054 no tf he didn't
The NFL pulled a committee together to look into this play. Their only option is to go back to not allowing someone to push a teammate with the ball from behind so I doubt they’ll do anything.
Back when I started playing football-the days of leather helmets, only Pansies wore face masks, Don't drink water during practice, etc-, there was a penalty of "Crawling, Pushing, Helping the Runner." I don't remember if it was a 5 or 15 yard penalty.The Ref's signal was with his hands at his sides, palms facing forward and he made a pushing motion. Obviously, that penalty does not exist anymore. And the Flying Wedge was made illegal in the late 1800 or early 1900's. Apparently it is being reintroduced to football.
To stop it you just have to get lower than the line on the snap. Coming for a rugby guy and someone who understands physics.
“you just have to get lower…” you think it’s that easy? hahahah
@@ab-cv4do Maybe not easy. But feasible with adequate training.
This is fundamental for every rugby player.
@@ab-cv4do Yes. It is that easy to get underneath a 6'6" lineman. The fundamentals are just not being taught in the NFL for whatever reason.
You might understand physics but not football, Hurts would just jump over if the went low which they can’t because they don’t know the snap count so they’re reaction time is a split second slower
@@MrWookie1981fundamentals aren’t taught in the NFL? Lmfao bro you’ve never played obviously
I'm just mad I'm still a Cowboys fan 44 year later and will be mad in 20 years cause I am hard headed! 🤦🏽♀️😂😂😂#DC4L WE NEED THIS MOVE WE SUCK!! 😂😂😂😂
If I was a DC and in a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd and goal on the 1 yard line, I would tell my entire Defense Line to go early. The reason is because with everyone so packed at scrimmage it would be hard for the officials to call offsides if it was really close to the snap. If they do call then it is just 1st and half the distance. Eventually, the O Line will get nervous about getting pounded and start committing offside penalties and get backed up 5 yards.
@@mal2ksc In the MNF game 49ers vs Vikings game at *8:30 in the 3rd quarter was the perfect execution of my OP.
When I was a kid in the 60s, "helping the runner" was illegal. When was that rule eliminated?
2005
If you don’t like it, maybe work better to stop it? Or try better to use it yourself? It seems simple, don’t complain that the team found a LEGAL method to perfect a QB sneak
This isn't unique to the Eagles and I don't know why anyone thinks it is. Teams have done this for as long as I can remember on # and short.
yea i dont mind the play, but if he gets hurt doing that, that will be the end of that. i just think they should be more worried about holding on to the football in the super bowl.
@@tremedarIt is definitely unique, no team has has a 90% completion rate for qb sneaks in one season. Out of 40 especially.
@@tremedareagles succeed at a much higher rate, they’re about 92% success iirc and the other teams combined is around 80% there’s a lot of teams that tried it once or twice and failed (i.e. commanders vs eagles were 0-2)
ik it's not NFL but it would be cool if you made a video about the Ottawa RedBlacks, lost 7 in a row (including to Edmonton in Edmonton) and just blew a 37-18 lead in under 3 mins to BC.
Didn't that used to be Roughriders? Is Roughriders politically incorrect? RedBlacks is a REALLY stupid name.
@@darylfoster7944 no, Ottawa has had 3 different CFL teams (Roughriders, Renegades, and currently RedBlacks) i guess they didn't want to go with Roughriders since there's already a Roughriders, but im not sure why they didn't go back to Renegades
How do you blow a 19-point lead in THREE MINUTES?
@@antoniotrivelloni8191 idek man, i watched that in person and it was extremely painful
Well, CFL rules certainly help with scoring late points, stopping the clock at the end of every play,
even in-bounds tackles (and starting the clock again only when the ball is ready at the line of scrimmage, giving the offence free time to get up to the line, call next play, etc. They can squeeze in so many more plays)
Very rarely does any Qb get stopped on a sneak anyways. What makes them different is they do it for a whole yard, the others run it when it's inches to go.
Heck they can get two yards or more on a good day.
I got really confused when I heard football talk coming out of the star wars lore voice
It's another example of NFL hypocrisy about being concerned for player protection by allowing players to endlessly pile into the backs of other players (especially QBs) and create a scrum-type situation.
True - But it shouldn't be banned in any sense. Teams can stop it. Also, the fact other teams tried it AND FAILED, shows right there that it should never be banned.
Don't think that is where many injuries occur. Mostly plays involving speed, so don't see any hypocrisy
It's not really a dangerous situation. Just a pile of guys in pads.
Danger comes mostly in high speed collisions.
"There are very few serious injuries in rugby in comparison to the NFL. "
- This is demonstrably false. I don't know what "stats" you're talking about.
Journal of Sports Medicine published a meta-analysis of 83 studies in 2021. It found that rugby had the highest concussion rate of any sport, or about three times higher than the second-place sport, American football.
Meanwhile, a 2015 study in the British Journal of Sports Medicine looked at 13 articles that addressed sports concussion rates. It found that rugby placed first, with a rate more than three times higher than ice hockey and eight times higher than American football.
As far as direct comparison studies: One paper, published in 2016 in the American Journal of Sports Medicine found that the overall injury rate was about three times higher in rugby than in American football, and that a subset of this, the concussion rate, was about 2.5 times higher in rugby than in football.
Nearly half of all rugby injuries are concussions.
I could go on. But even the most conservative estimates put Rugby and American Football pretty much on par with one another as far as safety.
It's one thing to say the word "stats". It's another to show them.
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And the Defensive line gets pushed by their secondary and LBs. RBs that get piled up by multiple defenders get pushed forward by their teammates in response. If both sides have the same manpower and rules what is there to prohibit?
The offence always inherently has the advantage of the ball possession. They can line two line backers and at the last second Hurts can pull out of the play and throw. There are enough advantages in the offences favor in general. The scrum rugby type formation makes it almost impossible to spot the ball also. Yes i agree teams could try and scheme a defence to it your're right. Just something about pushing players forward and not on their own inertia just seems off putting to watch. Rich Eison talked about it in his pod cast, interesting dor sure
Looks like this play has been mastered by the Eagles, and built their guys up to make this their "Ace in the Hole", practicing it hundreds of times off field, giving them an edge in the game.
To ban it is to strip a team with their OWN unique edge, well within the rules of the game, (and I have no objections to it, and I'm not even an Eagles fan). It takes brute strength to push not only the man behind you, but push them through the men in FRONT of you. That is just amazing, and to be respected, because it's not like it's a gauranteed play. It takes a great deal of strength, force and energy to do this 10 second play, and if other teams want to eliminate this edge, they need to work harder and build a better defense. All there is to it.
Like how many times have I seen a lineman shove or pick up his position player past the goal line. Is that gonna be illegal too?
I might've seen wrong but I swear when they did this in yesterday's game everyone was offsides including the center. It looked like he and the rest of the line were leaning/diving forward just before actually snapping the ball up to Hurts's hands.
you are wrong, but it's ok. It's not bad being wrong as long as you recognize it and state it pre-statement. Good job.
How can the center be offsides? Not only is that a defensive penalty, but he is snapping the ball from where the "Officials" placed it. Maybe you mean False Start.
they have false starts and are lined up wrong all the time on the play
The problem is, the defense is offsides too.
no part of the lineman other than the center can be in the "neutral zone" so in the area where the ball would be, eagles dont do that, but 70% of the defenses trying to defend this play do.
Once upon a time it was illegal to help a runner by pushing him. In their quest to run up the scoring, the league is doing everything it can to light up the scoreboard. It's one reason I no longer watch the National Fairy League.
Stop the play--it has not worked 100% of the time!
I do not believe the rule was eliminated in a quest to run up scoring. This particular rule was eliminated because officials never called it. It was therefore unfair to teams trying to abide by it because teams that didn't were not penalized. Now - why didn't the officials call it? I have no idea. The league needs to do a better job of reviewing plays with officials and making sure they are following and enforcing the rules and not making them up themselves. Look at this past weekend Jags vs. Bill - Jared Allen of the Jags hits Jaren Allen of the Bills for a great tackle that basically wins the game. He is penalized 15 yards because his facemask touched the quarterback's facemask. Not helmet to helmet, but merely facemasks touching......is that the rule? I honestly don't know but it seems a bit much. The tackle appeared clean with no malice involved.......Still, it comes down to the league controlling the officials better.
But you sure spend your time thinking about it, apparently.
Who's the real fairy?
@@SeraphsWitness Why, YOU, of course.
@@garygemmell3488 You're the one still chattering about the comments section about a league you supposedly don't watch anymore. How sad.
I've seen comments from coaches, players, talk show folks saying this is not a real football play,,well,what were they doing back in the day before they developed the " pass" into the game?I've seen plenty of footage of players, teams and coaches using this play,cripes, the beginnings of football was nothing but running and sneaks...
Look it up, back in the day, it was illegal to push the runner from behind. That's what people are complaining about.
How is this different from an aiding the runner penalty?
Isn't it actually dangerous to be pushed into some defensive line man going in the opposite direction, making the impact more forceful?
no
yes and that's the point that is lost, the first time a 200 million dollar QB gets bent like a pretzel and is lost for the season the teams will all scratch their heads and say "wow, never saw that coming".
Who tf cares?
The Eagles did not invent this. You can't take it away because one team does it well.
It was illegal for the vast majority of the history of football. Only in the last 20 years did they for whatever mysterious reason get rid of the rule against aiding the runner. It was a stupid change, as the eagles are proving.
The tush push was illegal some short years ago. I have no idea why they changed the rule at that point.
When and why was it illegal?
@@gr8dvd Not that long ago. Just a few short years ago. I don't know the exact year they made it legal.
When i was young it was against the rules to help a runner from behind. Now every play you see a rugby match. My question is why is it ok on a running play but not ok on a field goal attempt. Defensive players are not allowed to push each other on a field goal. Either it is good for both or not good for both
if you notice... the push doesnt actually do much. It's ALL Jason Kelce. No one can stop HIM not the push.
Yeah I don’t think it does. It’s mainly Hurts raw power. Someone said he leg presses 600lbs. That’s 2-3 guys normal guys. So 2 NFL players.
@@Liofa73lot of guys hitting the gym can leg press 600 actually. Hurts can squat 600 with very little help from lifting gear - - very impressive
@Liofa73 600 lb leg press isnt ridiculous.. I can squat 500.. and that's harder than a 600 lb leg press..
People will whine about anything. #1 reason these defenses can't stop it is because of how fast they get the play off. They can't react fast enough to stop it
No, the reason why the defense can't stop it is because the defense can't form a counter maul to stop it, as what would be done in Rugby. Unlike Rugby, forward passing is legal in American football. Which means at any time before the runner crosses the line of scrimmage, he can stand up and heave the ball downfield. Which means the defense needs to have defensive backs and linebackers. Which means they can't pile all of their defenders into a scrum and fight power with power.
I'm a hard core Chiefs fan for well over a half century & every year I have less and less respect for the game. The tush push is compairable to jumping/launching off the back of a fellow player to block a "FIELD GOAL".
And what is wrong with that?
To block a Field Goal to gain a height advantage using the back of a teamate is a violation of the rules. The tush push is classless in my opinion, the sight of it in play urks me. It's not if you win or lose... it's how you play the game. @@schadenfreude7169
That should be allowed too.
@@schadenfreude7169 Player is likely going to break the back of the dude he's launching off of.
In the cfl the QB sneak is super common, I don't know why people have a problem with it, it leads to more scoring for everyone once they get good at it
When I played in high school a QB sneak was a big yardage play for us. We'd even run it over and over . Pushing from behind is illegal in high school football at least in my state. You just have to make it look like you are blocking and not pushing. I did it many times .
So you admit to cheating?
I love it.
It's just power v power. Pure football.
Get stronger. Not all teams can do it.
Playing football 50 years ago, I was under the impression that this pushing was illegal. There was a penalty against "helping the ball carrier." This isn't considered a violation of this rule? Is the rule still even in existence?
It used to be illegal to advance a runner by pushing on him. This is why.
I don’t get why it’s so controversial. Other teams have tried it and it doesn’t work. If you know what’s coming and can’t stop it that’s just embarrassing
Correction - it's not one of the most unstoppable plays. It's one of the most unstoppable o-lines. Give these men some respect
Thank you. It ain't the play. It's men. My man squats 600 for God's sake
WAIT, ECKHARTSLADDER? I recognize that voice after watching Eck for 4+ years for Star Wars content. Nice to see you making videos about whatever you want! Keep it up.
It’s hard to find the personnel to do it because there are very few qb’s that are squaring 500 pounds
I thought the rumor was he could squat 900 pounds
@@Isaac-eh6uu It's 600. Still impressive for a QB.
"stealing touchdowns"
Just draft Jalen Hurts
If other teams tried to use the Tush Push, and failed, gow can there be ANY argument that it should be banned.
If everyone tried it, and they were all finding the same success as the Eagles, then maybe, you can make the argument that we (supposedly) don't want the game to devolve into nothing but the Tush Push, so we'll ban it, but that clearly not the case. If it was banned now, it will be banned only because the Eagles are too good with it, and that doesn't seem like a fair reason to ban a play.
The only complaint anyone should have is hear it called a toosh push
In the early day of football this was most of the plays, they did not pass, run only, it was just the way the game was played, so THIS IS FOOTBALL !
Going backwards
The question is why and when did the league decide to change the rules and allow this,,, it used to be illegal to assist the runner like that.
Like 2006, dude. Catch up
@@SeraphsWitness that whooshing sound over your head wasn't a bird, eh?
@@davidsmith1784 You asked a silly question and I answered it. I didn't misunderstand anything.
I thought there was a time when pushing from behind was not allowed. It was when I played.
I don't care if they use this every time they are a yard away. It's call a team and the idea is to score with the best chance possible.
English?
@@doctorcrafts No typing. Are you saying you didn't understand what I wrote? Let me help. I should have typed "called" instead of "call". Does that help?
Doing QB sneaks or “Tush Push” plans just means your team can’t actually make a regular play, which is really disappointing.
that's stupid. they obviously could run a different play, but this is more reliable. That's like saying "kicking field goals means you can't actually score a touchdown, which is really disappointing". It's just part of the game, man.
Wonder if it will be a problem for the league when they start doing it for 3 plays in a row from like the 7 yard line.
Doubt that would happen. The average yardage isn't quite that good.
The play isn’t dangerous. It is very successful. Jealousy is the only reason to ban it.
This is basically a Rugby scrum where all 8 Forwards in a tight formation push forward, creating a battering ram through defences, paving the way for the ball handler (normally a halfback or number 8) to score a try (touchdown). In the NFL the Eagles are exploiting this very effectively. Old school but it works.🙂🏉
For the heck of it, i would love to see the Eagles to try the tush push from the 25 and go all the way down the field using just that play. If they "outlaw" that play w pushing from behind, look for a big OL or DL to play QB for that kind of a play.
In high school we called that the submarine
It's akin to leaping the line for kick blocks, probably should be banned if that move is banned.
That jump was banned because there was a huge potential for injury to the jumper, not to mention the guys he's landing on. And these two plays are not akin at all.
It’s an ugly play, but it works. It’s not breaking any rules so I’m fine with it, even though I don’t like it. Like you said, if it’s still legal, other teams need to adapt to stop it, or create their own version.
This reminds me of the movie Enders game.
Like the Bears 46 defense, once the players that makes it works are done so what has been working.
As an eagles fan, I love it. that QB Sneak has been amazing for my fantasy pool last season and this one.
wasn't too amazing in that super bowl choke to the Chiefs. They should be more concerned about that.
@@meladgoat It did very well against the Chiefs in the SuperBowl actually. Stop tryna start drama and grow up.
Concerned about a game that already happened? Can’t go back and change that. Fight your way back and try to win this year’s SB. Also, did this move hurt them in the SB? It was a bad penalty on the OL and then hurts fumbled.
@@meladgoatPretty sure the game already happened? Not only that but it didn't fail once against the chiefs and only reason they lost was their DC which they've replaced.
I have always felt that professional football teams should ALWAYS or at least almost always be able to get a first down whenever it is less than one yard, now the Eagles has proven to me that I was right all along. The other teams need to get on the ball, no pun intended, and get this play going for them, or figure out a way to stop it.
I'm from the future, other teams tried it and failed spectacularly
@@BigTylt oh but you see, I know you are not from the future because you are speaking in past tense. You should have said, other teams WILL try, and they WILL fail spectacularly. 😁
Yea, honestly a 1 yard play should be a 90% success play. This is a silly fight we're having.
Actually you proved yourself wrong, not right here since they are the only NFL team that can do this. Better luck with the next nfl theory.....
@@srobeck77 well, not really, they are a professional NFL team and they can do it, therefore every team should be able to do it.
Eagles o-line false starts on at least 50% of these ‘unstoppable’ qb sneak plays. Last week against Washington there was a real bad false start that was uncalled on a crucial 4th and 1 but the refs actually did finally call them on one of the false starts last week. The eagles always seem to find a way to bend the rules and get away with it on these short yardage plays. 2 years ago it was the illegal receiver pick play on the goal line. The refs finally started to catch on and now the eagles go for a new one. The eagles take advantage of situations where it’s hard for refs to get a clear look and they break rules.
BooHoo, BooHoo! It's called CREATIVITY!
Yea I doubt the 4 inches of offsides is really what's making the difference dude.
Maybe its the professional rugby lineman and the QB that squats 600 pounds? Just maybe ?
another reason other teams dont do this is because its a very dangerous play and high risk for getting your QB injured whats gonna happen if someone is pushing jalen hurts forward from behind and a safety times the snap right and jumps over the line and hits him up around the shoulders while his team mates are pushing him from behind?