Donald Trump and Conservative Intellectuals
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- Where do conservatives fit in the Trump administration?
Matthew Continetti and Andrew Ferguson discuss Donald Trump’s nomination and what it means for conservatives in America. They argue that they are encouraged by whom Trump is nominating to different cabinet positions and the Supreme Court but that Trump’s unpredictability and lack of core values are a concern. They discuss the role the media will play with the Trump administration and their relationship with the president-elect.
Filmed November 30, 2016.
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I'd be curious to see an interview with these same people today (3 yrs later)
I think they didn’t, touch on the fact that the people who make this country work are the people who connected with Trump.
I've read Friedman, Sowell, Mises, Hayek, Rothbard, et al. over the last 40-odd years. My conservatism is very well-grounded philosophically; there's nothing knee-jerk about it. But I live in reality and realize that Presidents, like me and other of my conspecifics, aren't perfect. And living in the real world, I also realize that "no vote" or a vote for a third party is, in a sense, a vote for the greater of two evils and my conscience won't permit that. Is Trump perfect? Hell, no--Cruz got my vote in the primary. But Trump wants the country to succeed and, like many of us, is sick of our being taken advantage of by the rest of the planet. By the time I'd bothered to listen to his campaign speeches, I was thrilled to vote for him.
This one REALLY needs a follow up.
god they are such snobs that's why they are so out of touch
Do you want a President that is politically correct and does nothing or a President that is frank and gets things done? That’s what Trump has argued several times.
I voted Trump because he drives exactly all the right people barking dog mad. Eighteen months later I just can't take so much winning so fast! Who wouda thunk it?
I would like to see a follow up interview with these guys now that Trump has been in office for over 2 years.
oh look at the 'never-trumpers' backpedal and try to stay intellectually relevant...
This was beautiful to watch, its obvious they still don't get it.
too late
Hard to know why think tank intellectuals draw a salary. Of what practical use are they?
I would love for them to redo this interview 2 years later and see how well trumps policy's have worked
Peter set forth an excellent summary of the opportunity a Trump presidency represents, and Ferguson's only response is "maniac". That's not an argument, that's a smear.
Now, nearly three years later, I long to hear what they have to say.
Great camera work & lighting by the way...
11 min in, what makes Trump an outcast to the political elite is that he's beholden to basically no special interests besides his own. Both a scary and unnerving proposition for the politically entrenched and interest groups alike.
But not scary for the people. Beholden to no one was a big reason many voted for him.
The important part of that statement is, "... no special interests *besides his own*". The president is supposed to be beholden to interests that aren't his own, just (in principle) no interests above the American people in the broadest sense.
Now, 5 yrs later, could we reprise this discussion after the strangest election in my lifetime? Could the gentlemen reflect on promises kept, bombastic brinksmanship with the media, the left-wing's abominable aberation of the political/electoral process resulting in Biden's emplacement, and the hostile leftward shift of Biden's administration.
He beat 13 Republicans and one Democrat
I would like to see a follow up /recap with these fellows.
These guys aren’t conservatives!
it is so clear that the three men think they are so much better than the rest of us.
Wow, it just gets dumber as it goes along.
To heck with political correctness!! We are sick to death of the speech police, the thought police, and everything else!! Sick sick sick sick sick!!!!
WOW! What is civil conversation, that's what we need more of, in these times!
These two left me totally unimpressed.
Why didn't anyone see it coming? I did, and it was easy!
Trump a very very interesting man
we all need to get behind President-Elect Trump. Im in Southern California and there are no intellectual conservatives, conservatives there are barely Republicans, inly here really in Kern Country is a strong hold. In Fronso there are some but President-Elect Trump touches on a very deep emotional level yes of the being left behind... because the top conservative Republicans don't want to touch the hot issue's regardless on how he say it, we'd like him to say it better haha but he's saying it. Thank you.
One point of departure I have over this interview, and that has to do with why Trump won. I believe that more so than a referendum against Hillary, Trump's victory came because of the positive, uplifting message that Trump communicated to much of America that had been all but abandoned by both parties.
the whole speeches had much more than just the aggressive sound bites, which gave him free publicity without the need for megadonors. he pretty much spoke a rejection of the neolib/neocon order, which worked in brexit and worked here too, thanks to the importance of the rust belt in elections. and yeah, it was a referendum on hillary too, who if the democrats were smarter should have not allowed to run. bernie, or even more so, jim webb, would have been better choices...
I'm not sure there was a positive and uplifting message. Nothing brings people together more than a common hatred. Even MAGA is not a positive message. It's a yearning for the past. It says that the country is not great or even good. He fed off the discontent of the working and middle class. The problem is that his promises are naive to the way the world is and will be. He offered a utopian vision to people who are in a rut. Obama did the same thing in 08. Playing off people's emotions is more effective than appealing to the rational part of the brain. That's advertising. That's entertainment in a nutshell. Trump and Obama ran the two most brilliant campaigns we've ever seen because they understand promotion. Both even had catchy slogans that supports can remember and spout as gospel. 'Hope and Change' ' MAGA'. We are sold presidents. The choice is no different than Coke and Pepsi. Trump's message wasn't positive but it was unquestionably effective.
@Hekat the Evil B-tch That's because you have been so brainwashed by false information such as American Manufacturing is never coming back that your brain can no longer compute uplifting ideas. To you all chance of success is luck and future and all systems must be burnt down. I am sure you think that the earth will be gone in 12 years and that Cow farts is higher than vech emissions.
How can these guys be so out of touch with reality?
They get paid to spin things a certain way.
New Yorker Editor: Trump is a tragedy for the constitution.
[Conservative intellectual at 1:30] “he was drunk”
Four years later ‘wisdom is vindicated by her children.’ Is an easy call to make as to whom was drunk.
My impression is that these guys are completely out of touch with America (reality).
Care to explain what "reality" is?
can you blush?
+1FriendFishing "I have to guard my mind against this kind of posh trash talk" You sound like a cult follower mate, are you being manipulated mate? :^) They are just speaking their minds everone doesnt have to like the trumpster its a free country for some months atleast.
Matthew, whom I've never heard of before watching this, is one of the least impressive young "conservatives" I've experienced. Thus, you filling in the marriage fact, makes this interview make more sense on multiple levels... Thanks...
exactly. i like this channel but this video was disappointingly far off base.
Can't stump the Trump.
Get ready for everyone who just started paying attention to politics when trump got elected to give their "expertise" on this matter.
A good watch all the way through. Peter Robertson is (as always) great at unweaving and teasing out what ends up being a thoughtful and multi-faceted analysis of Trump, and his actions since being confirmed as president-elect.
Continetti and Ferguson are come with distinct and well argued positions on Trump (although I feel that Ferguson was biting his tounge through some some of the more colourful orations by Continetti), and both gave me some fresh insight and historical context to view an America that chooses Donald Trump to be their next president.
It is almost unfortunate that the fracturing of the conservative bloc is brought up at the very end of the video (since many viewers might click off before 40 minutes), because I think it is an especially important aspect of this election cycle that is being underplayed. Both the liberals and conservatives of America have been thrust into a reality that they were not conscious of, one that they didn't take seriously. To see how each side copes with this paradigm shift, and also if there is a clear winner in these reformations, is a topic I am very much hoping is covered by the Hoover Institution down the road.
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This is an excellent critique. The American culture has been going downhill because of the liberal culture, "The Jerry Springer Generation/reality TV" The liberals will never take responsibility.
I completely agree with Continetti and Ferguson and I am by no means an elite. I am about 60% happy Trump won and 40% extremely worried.
In a post factual age intellectuals don't matter all that much any more. We should just chug more Brawndo and watch reruns of "Uhh, my balls". Maybe Trump will reintroduce gladiatorial games.
I love the "Idiocracy" reference - In light of recent election, I now fear there was too much truth in it.
The pre-factual age still reigns supreme. It has only ever been a small minority of humans that adhere unfailingly to the truth. People don't like to admit it because their ego disallows such blatant disregard for its sensibility. The vast majority of people peddling "Post-truth/fact" fall to emotional appeal consistently.
Which would mean trying to appeal to that tiny minority of humans would make you lose the race for president. Good strategy, guys.
But now who is going to hire me for my brilliant identity politics statistical analysis?
Quick! Opt for a second degree in Feminist Studies :)
That would make me a double doctor, gender studies and feminist studies! Then I would without a doubt be the world leading feminist statistician.
LOL! Obviously you're funny and you're a great writer... so WRITE!!
Stupid Statistician And you still wouldn't be able to get a job..
+Stupid Statistician... sorry, Im not calling you stupid... Here's an idea... check out the title of this stupid vid: DT and Conservative Intellectuals. These pompous putzes could use some help here... you could write their scripts for them and perhaps they could learn something.;)
very well presented by both sides, ...I too am happy Trump won, maybe we can save whats left of "We the People..."
A very positive discussion and GREAT outlook for the future!
Especially from 37:05
Peter should invite Jordan Peterson.
Joe Nooze what does this have to do with Jordan Peterson?
The press had a great relationship with the press mostly with the left one until he run as a Republican. What does it say about them? Hypocrites will be a good start.
Interesting perspectives. Thanks for posting.
YEEAAH BOOOOYYY!!!! NEW STUDIO
I LOVE YOU PETER ROBINSON and you deserve that AWESOME looking studio!
Then again...there is something subtle and bespoke about your last black-and-wood stage.
Little late in seeing this video. Agree with other posts. My only comment is that the intellectual right has not risen up to be anything other than elites and not caring about the people, with a few exceptions of course. Trump is being and will go down as a great president, unless the historians are Marxists.
Supreme Court looked good untill we find Roberts loking more like Kennedy in many decisions. Very disappointing.
What are these guys conserving?
It's hard for me to take someone so clean cut seriously. But this show always has great interviews.
Much of this talk didn't really age well
These intellectuals sound very unintellectual to me...
Because you are very unintellectual...
Pieter Smith Compared to them, yes. Compared to you they're Einstein.
+Pieter Smith did you find any valuable insight in this video? because i sure didn't.
1FriendFishing Austrians are getting killed Somalians in Minnesota, so I don't know how safe you would be. Happy2017
Great interview. Fantastic analysis. Populism is scary... The fact the common man can't "relate" to intellectualism should terrify us all.
Its not like that at all. Its more like the intellectuals think the average person is much dumber than they actually are.
It's the age when stupidity is championed and intellectual discussion is abhorred, and that is definitely disturbing. I also wonder why it is that there is no paradigm for a thinking populist. There are large swathes of the American electorate who have bought into the very view that they are too ignorant and intellectually inadequate to defend their interests with anything other than demagoguery.
Dreamingrightnow
Well there is some truth in that. In the 1930s the level of sophistication was beyond where it is now. The average high school student was able to pass a test on the Constitution that no college graduate today could pass. The social engineers have been busy shaping the world in an image that maintains their control. The evidence of that is everywhere. Tavistock, the meddling of the philanthropic foundations in shaping American education, the non-stop propaganda spewed out by the Lying Media, the socialism-communism that is pushed constantly. But despite it all, Americans are not so stupid as to believe that abandoning our founding principles is the right way to go. Nor are we so stupid as to believe that open borders and sanctuary cities makes any sense at all. The reality is that the educated class is far more hypnotized and propagandized than the tradeworkers. They kept their common sense intact, and they are smart enough to know where their own self interests lie. They also have a genuine patriotism that the educated classes find quaint and disdainful. Despite the fact that love of country and genuine patriotism is a quite beautiful expression. But today's intellectuals can hardly bear it. If it took somebody like Trump to carry their voice, so be it. He said what needed to be said.
BS! The majority of people who watch the Philosophy show hosted by Stefan Molynex are high IQ working class and Trump supporters. The low info brain dead automatons are definitely Clinton supporters. Those people actually believe the BS lying MSM.
Your clearly talking about the left voters.
I've been searching high and low for examples of people from the right who do not rely solely on rhetoric to get their point across. These gentlemen accomplish just that. I may not agree with everything they are saying but at least they are making intelligent points and are not screaming at each other or just flat out blaming all problems on the left.
Thank you for the video upload!
Another fine interview at the hooverinstitution!
Looking back, the choice I made to vote for Trump was wright one.
I'm very disappointed by they way everyone at the table looks down their nose at Trump. Peter did seem more positive but the muslim soldier comment was unfortunate. If what it takes for us to have a great president is for him not to talk like an intellectual then give me an illiterate man.
Great, solid interview, a year later some of this is totally spot on and shows understanding, other things have turned out very differently, and it's fun. One of them says he thinks the media on Trump will decline and the press conferences would boring, when the opposite happened!
I totally agree. Very interesting perspectives, especially those of Matthew Continetti.
I agree, I wish that there were more emphasis on thought and rationality and civility between proponents of opposing political views. This is how we all test our ideas and values, by civil exchanges between people who intelligently disagree with us, as opposed to living in echo chambers and repeating everything we hear. I also agree that Continetti is an able analyst.
Interesting inside the bubble mindset. The very bubble DC folks that never saw it coming. I feel like I could enjoy a beer with VDH or even sit and talk with Trump... but neither of these two guys. They have nothing in common with my life outside of DC and I betcha I couldn't relate to them any better than they me.
Its pretty funny because I never doubted it starting in July. So how valuable is their brand of intellectualism to the real world?
This is the exact problem with public intellectuals. There's this snobby condescending tone among all of them, the few conservative ones, even Tom Sowell who is usually great, included.
The conservative intellectuals have been irritating me more lately than the liberal ones, which is something I didn't think could happen. They're champions of Austrian economics yet they are clearly completely out of touch with the citizens of the country, who ARE their customers. Now they look like fools because of the bubble they have been living in, and they honestly deserve to lose their jobs.
SpacePyramid cause we out number you 10 to 1 and always will fool
Hey Smarty Pants Intellectual Wanna-Be - It's "The other 10% and I".
Hi!!! im from a year into the future!! Trump is on the cusp of gettin indicted, Flynn has flipped, and the white house in in shambles!!! turns out they thought these things for a reason!!
On balance, I liked what these guys had to say. However, I have a couple contrary observations. That these intellectuals think Trump is a maniac or will try to get rid of term limits is testimony to how good Trump is at branding himself as larger than life. Does Trump have a large ego? Yes. Who could possibly run for President and not have an enormous ego? The difference between Trump and all the other politicians is that Trump wears his ego on his sleeve and is a genius of branding who realizes people are actually drawn to that persona, even when they claim they are not. Also, these guys get completely wrong the difference between bad manners and political incorrectness. I'm amazed that conservative thinkers would not see how political correctness has been the single biggest weapon of the left for the last generation.
But Trump values education , work well done and people with goals
Looking forward to 2020 (my, how time flies!) I want to hear some solid ideas/plans out of the Conservatives. Bernie's ideas might be unrealistic, but they sound like hope and action, something clear that people can get behind. I want a conservative version of that. I want to volunteer and fight the good fight, but it can't just be, "the other side is clearly loony and they have failed you," true as that may be.
I called the Trump win, btw; but we can't rely upon a second surprise win.
ha! conservative intellectuals!... it sounds like a total oxymoron if you consider the modern conservative movement emulates sarah palin, rick perry, ben carson, louis gohmert and donald trump....
Vapid is a good name choice.
I'd say modern conservatism is dead. Thomas Sowell is the last living conservative. The heads of the republicans aren't conservatives. They are something completely different. They are partisan first. I only wish classical liberalism in the vein of Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson could make some headway again. Often the word liberalism triggers alarms in people's heads. But liberalism has it's foundations in liberty. It's right there in the name. Modern day progressives are often called liberals which I can hardly stand because they really aren't in the original sense. I'm all for calling them what they are, either the regressive left or progressives. Conservatives I don't even know what to say. Just call them republicans because they don't have consistent conservative principles. I'm tired of all of these labels because I think most people are mixture of almost everything. There are more people that lean this way or that, than are all the way left or all the way right. People no longer check every box according to doctrine. Maybe this is the beginning of the parties dissolving.
vapid rabbit , , , because Obama is a total intellectual
Fabiana, especially if you are defining intelligent life as contextualized in reality and fact. But I believe this to be true for both sides!! Look at Thomas Sowell
GMC give it 100 years and the republican and democratic parties will go the way of the federalists and the wigs!
I think these guys are VERY InTouch with America!!! All three of them....Love Peter!!!
You have to listen closely. Matthew did not say political incorrectness is the same thing as being impolite. He suggested the mean the same thing to a lot of people. The other gentleman didn’t say Trump needed a brain transplant because he liked the everyday man. He meant he would need a transplant to fit in with the establishment.
Same opening music as Buckley's old show....but not, by any means, as stimulating as the program it tries to page homage to. Still, as an old lefty who admired Buckley, it's certainly more interesting than 99% of the political talk shows on TH-cam.
TRUMP 2020!!)
Thank you Gentleman`s very find interview! I learn more in this 41 minutes than all the alarming crazy medias! Thank you for your accurate responses! I love the USA where everything is possible!
What I don't understand is why all conservatives, specially these intellectuals, have to be anti abortion? What compels them into such identity politics and group thinking theory. It seems one can not be a conservative if one does is not "pro life" that's stupid.
I'll try to answer that.
For years I was apolitical , and really had no idea how the pros and cons were lined up.
Even when I realized that I was a conservative minded liberal , and had fairly equal interaction with both groups), it took me a while to parse out who was who.
People who are traditional or religious see it as murder, period.That is why...that is why...marriage traditions are set, so that sexual activity results in - for their most party - a wanted child.
At the same time, abortion ,for various reasons , is not unknown in traditional societies.But the abortion on demand, 24/7 things is really offensive to mainline conservatives
That said, I myself am still not 1000% anti abortion.
Because they have compassion!
I think we ( most of us) are not really aware how media colours our thought. We automatically see anything who oppose the mainstream thought as odd or evil. Therefore Trumps victory tremendous.
with a name like Remnick, what else do you expect. gennaro
Isn't "conservative intellectuals" an oxymoron?
That's rather douchie wouldn't you say? What are the books and thoughts that Conservatives hold most dear...Since you don't know I will let you know...Aristotle's Republic, Loche, Hobbs, Machiavelli (the "Discourses on Livy", as per John Adam's suggestion that this book is the cornerstone of our republic) Livy, Tocqueville book "Democracy in America", Adam Smith's '...Wealth of Nations". Since you clearly don't have any idea about Repiblican thought...you might want to do some reading. Id most suggest reading the last chapter in Tocqueville's book first... Then I might read John Adam's "Thoughts on Government" and then look through some highlights of Machiavelli's Discources on Livy. Read those and you wont wonder the question "conservative intellectuals" being an oxymoron....oh and you are welcome
That`s two things that don`t exist in the real world.
I can predict the future , some people will double down , some people will remain and some people will will change their stance and move with the winners.
It's not the full truth but it's a prediction that will happen as with enough random interactions and a big enough sample, all of the things will happen.
BINGO.......... $R$D$
It's easier to predict the trajectory of big things. Easier to predict the path of an walking elephant 1 minute into the future than a gnat.
I like alt right trolling
Did this guy really mean - being politically incorrect = being ill mannered? If he did, he might want to educate himself on that issue.
One of the best discussion thanks especially to Robinson.
Just more "True Conservative" Navel Gazing.......
could it have anything to do with the GOP vote being split umpteen ways during the primary campaign. four or five of them split the semi-sane vote!! What if Cruz or Rubio or Kasich...or any 2 of them had backed out in Sept. of 2016? I blame the other 14 candidates!!
Why bother with these dinosaurs? Interview Molyneux or Big Fur or Mike Cernovich-these are people that have their fingers on the pulse of what's happening in this country.
GREAT Interview, honest and unbiased
No it only required millions and millions of tax payers money to keep Carrier, but yeah...
He was drunk..lol! Trump won because voters are sick of liberalism. ..economic, social and on foreign policies. In that order. BTW...these two are so out of touch...the gray hair more so than the other.
The Dow Jones is setting new records?
Spring is coming soon, I guess I should thank Donald Trump?
"what trump represents and all that stuff". That is not a smart comment! Take me away from this type of rhetoric.
Matthew Continetti and Andrew Ferguso are not part of the political culture anymore, please stick to promoting values which are timeless because you completely misunderstand Trump, the alt right and the new rising conservative consensus.
after listening to the whole show i have to say, i enjoyed the dialogue. but i guess i'll have to stick with my earlier point: they have to incorporate the anit immigrant feeling in the country. and they need to see the good side of that sentiment. it's important they don't conceptualize it as racism. we need to give the term "nativism" a positive twist. right now its still seen and a perjorative.
The idea that Mr. Trump "attacked that poor Muslim soldier" is nonsense. Please cite your source and give the quotation.
THESE GUYS ARE PRACTICING FOR FOX NEWS GIGS.......... $R$D$
These people that grew with establishment have no clue look at them babbling
You gave those boys a good whipping, In a very polite way but if you had shouted at Andrew I think he would have cried.
The movie “A Christmas Carol” which is shown around the
holidays, shows the life of a true conservative, and what it really
takes to turn his life around. This movie will be shown every year
around Christmas, to remind all conservatives there is
more to life than selfishness, cruelty and money.
I hope every year when you watch this movie, it will remind you of
what it's true meaning is.
speculation causes mind confusion
why did no one tell me president snow was conservative i would have voted trump!
Yikes, Trendy called out Trump right away and it's gone down hill ever since.
God help us.
It's glib to say that political incorrectness is "another way of saying ill-mannered"-the two dispositions are quite different. It might be possible to say that there are those who euphemize Trump's rudeness as political incorrectness-but the participant here doesn't make it clear that that is what he's saying. It gets tiresome when a discussant is more concerned with sounding intelligent and sophisticated than with performing accurate analysis.
6:30 "shantoose" ?! Was that ironic? or, at 7:45 "my objection to Trump is mostly aesthetic" was THAT ironic? Have to give him the benefit of the doubt cuz he is by far the best dressed of the three.
Trump got a lower percent of the vote than Romney. Let that settle in before praising his skills as a populist.
Why would people who are dead care about Donald Trump? "Conservative intellectual" became an oxymoron somewhere around 1980. Lol.
I think you're polishing that turd a bit when you (mis)quote him: 'The New York Times is the crown jewel of American papers.' I thought it sounded a bit too poetic for someone of Trump's lingual deficits, and found the quote actually to be: “The Times is a great, great American jewel,” Mr. Trump declared as he prepared to leave the gathering in the newspaper’s 16th-floor boardroom, where portraits of former presidents adorn the walls.
“A world jewel,” added Mr. Trump, who was seated next to Arthur Sulzberger Jr., the paper’s publisher. “And I hope we can all get along.” www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/business/media/donald-trump-new-york-times.html
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Well I don't know much about much an I ain't one for no fancy book learnin ...... All I know is that I didn't want no crazy old woman in charge. Not that I voted for Trump ..... I'm not allowed to vote.