Why is nobody else talking about this flaw with the loomis method??!! I've been baffled for so long trying to find the corner of the face! and nobody else seems to address/explain it. thank you so much! 😃
You're welcome! And I don't know if I would call it a flaw so much as just something that was poorly explained by loomis. Although to be fair, I've never actually read the written text in those books, I've only ever studied and copied the drawings. It's possible that there's a good written explanation in there somewhere.
@@foundationartschool I think it's just approximated by varying the length of the jaw in relation to the skull. If the jaw is nearer to the bottom of the sphere, the rhythm from the jaw to the back of the head/image will come out more oval looking and the major axis will be more stretched front to back or side to side. Also, if the jaw is lower relative to the sphere, the rhythm could stretch the major axis from top to bottom. Approximating it as a three sided flag in profile or 3/4 works too (gesture of one side of the face, gesture of the top, gesture of the jaw to the back of the oval/sphere)
Your explanations are some of the clearest I have heard. You seem to be able to zero in on many of the subtle issues that represent hurdles for anyone trying to draw the head. I am very grateful to you for making this content available on TH-cam.
8:10 I struggled with exactly the same problem. Everyone i watched about Loomis didn't talk about it. Instead i asked myself "ok, you show i have to draw it but how the hell do i know where and what size?". Big thanks to you for bringing this up and I came across this video. This is exactly the kind of construction you show I was looking for. I really struggled with drawing eyes for a long time and it turned out that actually my problem was not being able to draw the eyebrows correctly and what goes directly under the eyebrow. Thanks.
I'm delighted to see you've started your own school. Great content, so well explained and eye-opening. Looking forward to continue to learn to draw from your courses. My biggest thanks to you, Brian.
Thank you very much for this course. There are many details that I can take away from this course. I'm really looking forward to the next instalments in this series.
Thanks! Yeah it's important to analyze the method and relate it to the actual skull anatomy. That round side plane can be so confusing in terms of finding its placement on the actual head.
Awesome! Glad to hear this video helped. This subject is one of the most requested as the brow structure can be tricky and is so critical to get right in a head drawing.
I'll be starting to post more on TH-cam soon! We have been busy getting ready to launch our monthly subscription service on our site which makes my full length courses very affordable.
i have also wondered about the loomis disk on the side of the head, how wide is should be, where exactly i should put it, sometimes in 3/4 view when i draw it, the head seems not to turn properly, it really confuses me
Amazing vid Biran. Please don't change into one of those youtubers with tons of intro and ads in the beginning of the video. Your turtorials are straight to the point without unnecessary fluff and thats how I like it. I will be practising this over and over , skipping thru ads would be very uncomfortable. Of course I am all up for you to make some extra cash from ads but plese squeeze them maybe after the video or description. Keep doing brilliant job. Thanks for free content
Our plan for youtube is mostly to just help bring more awareness to our school while simultaneously teaching some valuable ideas that will help people learn to draw. At some point we will add a segment to the end of each video that talks about the school and what we offer but i don't want to do anything that disrupts the demos.
Thank you! Ive wrestled with this for years! You provide excellent instruction. I do however have one question. How do you determine where the vertical corner line is? Is it purely observational by looking at the model, or is there a technical placement for it?
Yeah, it's a bit abstract but it's basically the inside angle of the eye socket. It also represents part of the wedge like shape that's being removed from the box like shape of the head to create space for the eye sockets while ignoring the glabella and nose. That sounds weird when it's written out but it would make a lot of sense if I drew it and showed it that way.
Brian! Listen... I legit thought there was a bug on my screen LOL I laughed so hard. But thanks for another 100/10 video. So helpful!! :) Enjoying the head fundamental class in the online program too. Can't wait for the subscription library!
Hey Kaitlin! This is Olivia (I edit all these videos). I'm glad you enjoyed the bug moment! 😂 Also glad you're enjoying the channel! Thanks for being a part of the school and we are also super excited to launch the subscription program soon. 🎉
Hey, just found the channel, new sub, great stuff, been following you since Watts, congrats on doing your own thing. One quick Q, that monitor you have on your right looks like you use it for something in particular on your process? I'm just a tech/ art stuff geek =)
Oh yeah, that's an Atomos Sumo 19. Unlike when I worked at Watts, I don't have a team of people to run the camera and do all the editing and stuff so I have to film myself. The Sumo is doing the recording and allows me to switch between the two cameras while doing that. It makes editing the demos and critique videos for my classes much faster and easier. Although these youtube videos require a lot more editing so it doesn't help quite as much in this case.
Love this! Could you please elaborate on the glabella shape? I can't figure out why the left line is parallel to the right one. It is often described as a keystone shape.
I agree. Finding the centerline is very challenging. There are a few things to look for that will help with this and I'll be making a video about those things in the future. We'll start posting videos again in October when our new website is finished.
Great video Brain. You made it very to easy to understand. I also had the same misunderstandings about the side of the head - it was really frustrating. One small Q I didn't understand. in 8:47 you showed how the brow stop at the side of the head. but then you said at point 8:49 "so the actual corner..." and you marked a vertical line. I was under the impression that the corner between the front and side is the and of the curve you showed. So what did you mean by "the actual corner"? Also, I also assume the side is the temporal ridge, correct?
The "actual corner" was indicating where the corner would be if we were drawing an actual box instead of a head. From a 3/4 view that "actual corner" would sit more in front of the rounded part of the forehead and brow, part way between the temporal ridge and the small flat part of the forehead. Then, because we're drawing a head and not a box, that corner would be rounded out to create more of a head shape. Once the corner of the box is rounded, the corner of the box then sits in the middle of that rounded part, not at the beginning of the flat side of the box where the rounded part stops. But if we want to think of a "corner" as more of where an actual angled part of the head exists, then the temporal ridge would be more accurate and is closer to what Loomis is showing in his drawings. I take both of those things into consideration when constructing a head. I hope this makes sense, let me know if it doesn't and I'll try again.
Hey, Brian. Just came across you on YT. I also have problems with the Loomis method for drawing the head. I found myself erasing parts of the original circle (sometimes considerably big parts) that protruded beyond the brow and often other areas that I "sculpted" away in order to find a realistic head shape. Additionally, I had trouble with the smaller circle that Loomis uses to help find the lines for the beginning of the hair, the brow, and the bottom of the nose. Why did he put it there and not here? Why that size? I noticed that I was actually locating what seemed to be the logical places to draw the three lines and then making the small circle conform to them. Doing so, I wondered what good it was in the first place. So glad I found your videos!
Yes! There will be many more. We are currently in the middle of developing a subscription library that will give students access to a library of all our past demos. This turned out to be a considerable amount of work so we haven't had time to shoot any youtube videos lately. But once the subscription library is completed we will begin shooting youtube videos again. The subscription library is almost ready to go so it shouldn't be more than another couple weeks before we can start making more TH-cam videos. We have big plans for TH-cam.
Hey Brian. This is a wonderfull video! I've been following you for a long time, taking numerous online courses on the wattsatelier and I am very fond of your work. I would apreciate greatly if you could tell me where you get your photo references for portraits since I really strugle to find well light faces to draw. If that's not possible, is there any websites that you recomend? Thank you very much in advance.
We shoot all of our own reference photos for the school. Right now the only way to get those photos is by taking our classes. Students can save the photos that we give them for each class. There are a lot of places where you can buy photo packs but i don't know of any that have good lighting. Or at least lighting that is good for learning how to draw. Most places have either bad lighting or more advanced lighting that isn't good for learning. Our monthly subscription library will be starting in the next week or two and you will be able to use that to watch our oast demos and also access the photo reference that went along with it. The subscription program will be much more affordable than the 5 week classes that we offer now.
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Why is nobody else talking about this flaw with the loomis method??!! I've been baffled for so long trying to find the corner of the face! and nobody else seems to address/explain it. thank you so much! 😃
You're welcome! And I don't know if I would call it a flaw so much as just something that was poorly explained by loomis. Although to be fair, I've never actually read the written text in those books, I've only ever studied and copied the drawings. It's possible that there's a good written explanation in there somewhere.
@@foundationartschool I think it's just approximated by varying the length of the jaw in relation to the skull. If the jaw is nearer to the bottom of the sphere, the rhythm from the jaw to the back of the head/image will come out more oval looking and the major axis will be more stretched front to back or side to side. Also, if the jaw is lower relative to the sphere, the rhythm could stretch the major axis from top to bottom. Approximating it as a three sided flag in profile or 3/4 works too (gesture of one side of the face, gesture of the top, gesture of the jaw to the back of the oval/sphere)
thank you Brian, finally I will be able to construct eye brows easily
Awesome! And you're welcome.
Completely professional👌⚘️
Your explanations are some of the clearest I have heard. You seem to be able to zero in on many of the subtle issues that represent hurdles for anyone trying to draw the head. I am very grateful to you for making this content available on TH-cam.
8:10 I struggled with exactly the same problem. Everyone i watched about Loomis didn't talk about it. Instead i asked myself "ok, you show i have to draw it but how the hell do i know where and what size?". Big thanks to you for bringing this up and I came across this video. This is exactly the kind of construction you show I was looking for. I really struggled with drawing eyes for a long time and it turned out that actually my problem was not being able to draw the eyebrows correctly and what goes directly under the eyebrow. Thanks.
It's been years finally it's here!😆
We're back!! 😆
thank you keep up the good work
I'm delighted to see you've started your own school. Great content, so well explained and eye-opening. Looking forward to continue to learn to draw from your courses. My biggest thanks to you, Brian.
how i missed this gem channel this long....... sir your explanations are
Thank you very much for this course. There are many details that I can take away from this course. I'm really looking forward to the next instalments in this series.
This is my second time watching your vid. I really get what you're saying now. Thanks a lot. This is going to help me so much.
Tanks Bryan, i love your honesty on the Loomis method downfalls, other people do not mention that aspect.
Thanks! Yeah it's important to analyze the method and relate it to the actual skull anatomy. That round side plane can be so confusing in terms of finding its placement on the actual head.
Oh goood, that's great! So happy to know that channel
good stuff. the way to draw the eye socket really helps. thanks so much
Awesome! Glad to hear this video helped. This subject is one of the most requested as the brow structure can be tricky and is so critical to get right in a head drawing.
Brian please come back with some free tutorial follow up to this head drawing course
I'll be starting to post more on TH-cam soon! We have been busy getting ready to launch our monthly subscription service on our site which makes my full length courses very affordable.
Thank you.now i understand cleary
Thank youu, old man, i love your jobs😚❤️❤️❤️
what a amazing video, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching!
i have also wondered about the loomis disk on the side of the head, how wide is should be, where exactly i should put it, sometimes in 3/4 view when i draw it, the head seems not to turn properly, it really confuses me
This is exactly what I needed
Amazing vid Biran. Please don't change into one of those youtubers with tons of intro and ads in the beginning of the video. Your turtorials are straight to the point without unnecessary fluff and thats how I like it. I will be practising this over and over , skipping thru ads would be very uncomfortable. Of course I am all up for you to make some extra cash from ads but plese squeeze them maybe after the video or description. Keep doing brilliant job. Thanks for free content
Our plan for youtube is mostly to just help bring more awareness to our school while simultaneously teaching some valuable ideas that will help people learn to draw. At some point we will add a segment to the end of each video that talks about the school and what we offer but i don't want to do anything that disrupts the demos.
Nice
Thank you! Ive wrestled with this for years! You provide excellent instruction. I do however have one question. How do you determine where the vertical corner line is? Is it purely observational by looking at the model, or is there a technical placement for it?
Thank you so much, this video was very helpful for me. I was having a hard time drawing cross angle portrait, but now I will be better.
That is wonderful to hear! Thank you for tuning in. :)
Excellent stuff thanks for sharing!
This is really helpful. Thank you
Ultimate explanation...... ♥️
Thank you so much for nice tutorial
You're welcome! Thank you for watching
thank you this was so helpful
You're welcome! I'm glad you found it helpful.
very helpful thank u
at 9:38 (glabella section) does the example line on the left going inward follow the eye socket? or is it more abstract than that?
Yeah, it's a bit abstract but it's basically the inside angle of the eye socket. It also represents part of the wedge like shape that's being removed from the box like shape of the head to create space for the eye sockets while ignoring the glabella and nose. That sounds weird when it's written out but it would make a lot of sense if I drew it and showed it that way.
Brian! Listen... I legit thought there was a bug on my screen LOL I laughed so hard. But thanks for another 100/10 video. So helpful!! :) Enjoying the head fundamental class in the online program too. Can't wait for the subscription library!
Hey Kaitlin! This is Olivia (I edit all these videos). I'm glad you enjoyed the bug moment! 😂 Also glad you're enjoying the channel! Thanks for being a part of the school and we are also super excited to launch the subscription program soon. 🎉
Hey, just found the channel, new sub, great stuff, been following you since Watts, congrats on doing your own thing. One quick Q, that monitor you have on your right looks like you use it for something in particular on your process? I'm just a tech/ art stuff geek =)
Oh yeah, that's an Atomos Sumo 19. Unlike when I worked at Watts, I don't have a team of people to run the camera and do all the editing and stuff so I have to film myself. The Sumo is doing the recording and allows me to switch between the two cameras while doing that. It makes editing the demos and critique videos for my classes much faster and easier. Although these youtube videos require a lot more editing so it doesn't help quite as much in this case.
Love this! Could you please elaborate on the glabella shape? I can't figure out why the left line is parallel to the right one. It is often described as a keystone shape.
It's the hardest to find and draw the centerline of the face (the forehead-to-the nose)
I agree. Finding the centerline is very challenging. There are a few things to look for that will help with this and I'll be making a video about those things in the future. We'll start posting videos again in October when our new website is finished.
Great video Brain. You made it very to easy to understand.
I also had the same misunderstandings about the side of the head - it was really frustrating.
One small Q I didn't understand.
in 8:47 you showed how the brow stop at the side of the head. but then you said at point 8:49 "so the actual corner..." and you marked a vertical line.
I was under the impression that the corner between the front and side is the and of the curve you showed. So what did you mean by "the actual corner"?
Also, I also assume the side is the temporal ridge, correct?
The "actual corner" was indicating where the corner would be if we were drawing an actual box instead of a head. From a 3/4 view that "actual corner" would sit more in front of the rounded part of the forehead and brow, part way between the temporal ridge and the small flat part of the forehead. Then, because we're drawing a head and not a box, that corner would be rounded out to create more of a head shape. Once the corner of the box is rounded, the corner of the box then sits in the middle of that rounded part, not at the beginning of the flat side of the box where the rounded part stops. But if we want to think of a "corner" as more of where an actual angled part of the head exists, then the temporal ridge would be more accurate and is closer to what Loomis is showing in his drawings. I take both of those things into consideration when constructing a head. I hope this makes sense, let me know if it doesn't and I'll try again.
Hey, Brian. Just came across you on YT. I also have problems with the Loomis method for drawing the head. I found myself erasing parts of the original circle (sometimes considerably big parts) that protruded beyond the brow and often other areas that I "sculpted" away in order to find a realistic head shape. Additionally, I had trouble with the smaller circle that Loomis uses to help find the lines for the beginning of the hair, the brow, and the bottom of the nose. Why did he put it there and not here? Why that size? I noticed that I was actually locating what seemed to be the logical places to draw the three lines and then making the small circle conform to them. Doing so, I wondered what good it was in the first place. So glad I found your videos!
Will there be more videos ?
Yes! There will be many more. We are currently in the middle of developing a subscription library that will give students access to a library of all our past demos. This turned out to be a considerable amount of work so we haven't had time to shoot any youtube videos lately. But once the subscription library is completed we will begin shooting youtube videos again. The subscription library is almost ready to go so it shouldn't be more than another couple weeks before we can start making more TH-cam videos. We have big plans for TH-cam.
@@foundationartschool thank you very much for answer . Starving artist here . . . Appreciate free content 🙏
Hey Brian. This is a wonderfull video! I've been following you for a long time, taking numerous online courses on the wattsatelier and I am very fond of your work. I would apreciate greatly if you could tell me where you get your photo references for portraits since I really strugle to find well light faces to draw. If that's not possible, is there any websites that you recomend? Thank you very much in advance.
We shoot all of our own reference photos for the school. Right now the only way to get those photos is by taking our classes. Students can save the photos that we give them for each class. There are a lot of places where you can buy photo packs but i don't know of any that have good lighting. Or at least lighting that is good for learning how to draw. Most places have either bad lighting or more advanced lighting that isn't good for learning. Our monthly subscription library will be starting in the next week or two and you will be able to use that to watch our oast demos and also access the photo reference that went along with it. The subscription program will be much more affordable than the 5 week classes that we offer now.
@@foundationartschool That's great, I'll surely be joining it :)
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