Is Peter Ready? Central AC Not Working - Blower Motor Replacement - Time for Hands On
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- DEAD & BURNT Goodman Blower Motor Replacement along with transformer and control board.
⚠️Do not attempt this repair if you are not qualified and/or trained ⚠️
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Table of Contents:
0:00 Hi Nana Claire
Always Enjoy seeing you, Peter and Daniel on a Job because you’re ALL High Quality Techs. They’re Lucky to have such a Great Instructor alongside them. 👍🙏
Great teaching allowing him to install it backwards. Never be afraid to mess up as long as you learn from your mistake. That’ll probably be the last blower assembly he puts in backwards again! Keep it up Mikey!!
Absolutely!
Pretty clear from the video that neither of them realized it at the time… but it happens 🤷♂️
@@adb99999999999 I realized it instantly. That’s why I kept the camera on him until the moment he tried to secure the assembly with the screw.
I like doing things backwards it sets me apart 😂😂
Just use sandpaper on the shaft before you try to take it off and some wd-40 it helps never had to use a puller yet!! Watching Peter struggle do a blower motor hurts he’s been with you for year!!
Sandpaper on the shaft is my favorite 😂
Mikey, youir live readings on the motor wires were because this is a 240v system. With a 240v system, BOTH incoming legs are live, and the purple (common) wire is live at 120v (one half of the 240v waveform or leg if you prefer.) The no contact was correctly reading that as live power (at 120v) which will pass thru the motor windings (and the cap) to show up on the two speed wires, which are switched to the other leg of the incoming 240v by the control board. So those ends were very much live at 120v and would have given a very dangerous shock if touched.
Now on a 120v air handler, if wired properly, the motor common would have been on the neutral which would have made all three motor wires read as dead.
Thanks for that explanation! I was wondering while watching the non-contact voltage detector light up on seemingly disconnected wires why it was detecting voltage. And what the purple wire was for. Thank you.
I realy enjoy the way you take the time to let the young guys lean the trade, even the hard way.
Lean by doing, and you give them freedom to mess up, and lean by this.
Great respect for this. 👍👍👍👍👍
I appreciate that!
Peter is the type of guy that needs a leader at this point in life. You are that for him. Only way to fully know if he’s ready is to send him on a call with Daniel or the other mike and have him take the lead because I think around you, he is intimidated or has expectations of you jumping in. So if you want to really know, we have to send him off with Daniel, eliminate you and see what Daniel has to say.
This is it no disrespect to you, but we have to get you out of there to really know what he’s capable of. You’re his mentor. He has way too much respect to do a task like this in front of his mentor. I hope that angle helped.
thanks for sharing your feedback
Take that as a compliment. I have a medicine mentor still and if he was in his cadaver lab and asked me to do a spinal stimulator on a spine id be nervous as hell bc hes standing right there. just another angle. He also kinda relies on you too. You 2 have different personality types that actually work well together. But if you really want to know what he can do, send him with someone.
Peter is a special person that will do well in this field, he just needs someone to teach and help him along the way (kinda like someone else we know). @@PipeDoctor
Good point I agree
Me too Mike. Me too. @@videos10
I did laugh when Peter put the blower housing in backwards. Lol. He’s a good kid he tries
I let the camera roll just for you:)
@@PipeDoctor Thanks
Mike I like the way you teach, he is does need allot more time still, he needs to be confident taking things apart and back together. It helps when new to take pictures of how things are so you know how it should go together.
I wish I'd taken this path early on in my career. You're a great teacher Mike!
Hey Mike. Cathy had her surgery today and everything went good. Lots of healing time coming Thanks for your email concern brother
Thanks for keeping us updated. Speedy recovery and prayers!
Good job Peter. Mikey P is a good teacher. Let's you make mistakes first so you can learn from them.
Took me a good 4 years before i was 99% fully confidant, it's not just diagnostics and repairs, learning how to talk to customers is a huge part too. I was trained in a similar was as Peter, rode around in a van as a helper/apprentice for about 1 year, owner paid for all schooling, certificates, EPA, OSHA, even sales training. Started at 13 dollars per hour, last year i grossed 100k for the first time ever. I been wanting to take a plumbing class to expand my opportunities.
Some take longer than others
Mikey. You would be a hard guy to work with all day.
I have a high level of expectations from my team. My clients also have high standards they expect from us.
To remove that blower wheel from the shaft I usually use an adjustable wrench and move the shaft back and forth using the flat on the shaft with a little lubricant and they typically fall right off.
yeah, that works too
I said the other day that the kid needs to get in a truck. After this video I’ve changed my mind. I had a mentor that used to tell me that I looked like a MONKEY HUMPING A FOOTBALL!! This video gave me FLASHBACKS!!!
:)
Great video!
Mikey Pipes and Peter make a good team.
If I follow the model "if you are not measuring you are guessing " I did not see the fan motor was ohm to validate it was defective. Did I missed that or the assumption was made because power was getting to fan motor and not starting?
Thank you Mikey for accepting our questions and always responding.
the cap was tested prior to this service call. The objective of this service call was to install customer supplied parts - it would have been more epic of a video IF the motor was actually good.
Dogs like the owner Mike lol😂. I’m on your side about Goodman equipment.👍🇨🇦
:)
You asked - is Peter ready? Basis what I've seen over the past year or so I feel he should be ready but he seems to be in a fog much of the time. How many more times will you have to remind him "lefty lucy righty tighty"? You have the patience of a Saint.
Sadly, Peter is like 2 years here and not ready. Some take longer than others. He isn't showing initiative to learn and advance AFTER hours. That's what makes a technician succeed.
@@PipeDoctor AMEN to dat!!!!! You are 100% CORRECT!
That was really painful to watch, if you are going to be working in Florida or South Carolina, you better bone up on air handlers and electric furnaces. Thanks for the video.
It's obvious, No. not now and I really doubt ever. He can't be getting any satisfaction from this.
Hot tip for yah. Before you grab the fan blade puller, try closing your crescent wrench on the flat side of the blower shaft, hold the wheel while you use the wrench to spin the shaft. Generally it breaks free and you can continue to rotate the shaft as you pull the wheel off simultaneously.
Good tip!
That’s the way I did it the kid needs more time
Come on Petter you got this man
Give this kid a fan puller
Hey Mike, I think he is willing to learn and help, but not run a call by himself yet. What might be good is that if he runs a call all by himself and you just shadow him, just not saying anything just to tell the customer that you are doing a "check-ride" with him. Let him interact with the customers and all as well. Just if you weren't there. 👍🤠 Hate to throw him in the deep end, but he needs to learn to swim by himself. Only Peter can save himself.
Maybe the camera on him adds a bit more pressure as well, but so would a customer staring over his shoulder too asking him questions. I know I would be that guy asking him all sorts of things. Back many years ago when I was doing industrial controls at a large auto plant, they had an issue during production, it was up to me to get the line back and operating. The entire production line was stopped and the "white shirts" better known as management starting coming around and gathering, all yelling at me to get this "bleeping" thing fixed and going. I politely asked if you stop yelling at me and let me work, I can get it going much faster and walked away to go fix it. There was a few lines of code that was missing in the PLC, got things up and going in a min or two. They were happy and went back to where ever management sits when not yelling at people!
He is representing your company, so you need to make sure he can do that in a professional manor. He is doing much better than before, but has a way to go. Maybe you can discount a few service calls if his time goes over to let him learn by his mistakes, just like the blower motor in backwards. Obviously you would need to step in if something was dangerous, but otherwise let him run it all by himself. If that was a gas furnace you could easily trip out on high temp with very low airflow over the burners.
Thanks, and keep up the good work.
Thanks for the feedback
I find it’s much easier to keep the wheel where it belongs while initially tightening the set screw if you stand the blower housing up such that the motor shaft is horizontal. Easier to center the wheel in the housing that way too.
Good content use an adjustable wrench and spin the shaft with W-D and the motor shaft will come right off. And BTW teach Peter how to check a run Cap and motor windings
Just an observation I made. Could it have been just a bad capacitor? You guys didnt test it until you replaced the motor.
They checked it actually , it was at 3.8 and a new was installed
@@andygarcia8235 He meant before they replaced the motor. Customer hired them to replace the motor that they supplied so that's what they did.
3.8 is not low enough to prevent the motor starting.
3.8 on a 5 is 76% deviation, how is that not a big difference? Especially if the motor is old it might just not even start.
@@harryschrysan3183 never said it wasn't a big difference. I simply said it's not low enough to not start the motor. It should be replaced for sure. And it's weak, and perhaps will run the fan slow. But normally, it's enough to get the motor going. If the motor was so weak that a slightly off capacitor is enough to cripple it, then the motor is going to need replacement anyway. The capacitor won't be the reason for the motor not doing anything. If you checked it and it's zero or say 0.6 or 1.1, that could easily be the only thing wrong.
OYVEY Peter!!!!!!
Sitting here watching like "yo Pete is backwards" 😂
And that’s why I kept the camera on him the entire time until he tried to screw it in with that first sheet metal screw
@@PipeDoctor he'll learn. We've all been there
When did you test the capacitor? Video shows after replacing the motor. Seems like you jumped conclusions and replaced a good motor and bad capacitor. @stevenlavimoniere would have tested the capacitor before yanking the motor. Love your videos, but this one was a problem. What do I know? I'm a dentist.
Don’t quit your day job. The capacitor was reading 3.8 and was rated 5.
@@PipeDoctor Did it pass the shake test? Most likely not with that low of a value.
I said the same thing, check the capacitor
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I prefer dogs
We can't answer if he is ready, only you can since you are the master :) But I would say that it would be hard for us to gauge since we haven't seen him demonstrate knowledge other then the pop quizzes you give. When he's doing the work you are literally telling him step by step, tool by tool what to do. Perhaps it's time to have Peter run a service call by himself. Set it up so he has to do the work start to finish, set the rules that he can ask you questions if he is unsure of something but outside of that, you only step in if he is about to do something dangerous :)
Peter needs to be wearing gloves to protect his hands especially when working with sheet metal.
Great video as usual👍
Thanks 👍
Ohhh Peter….hahahahaha😂😂😂😂😂…you’re the best Mikey
Haha, glad you enjoyed it! Peter and Mikey are a hilarious duo, they always bring the laughs. Thanks for watching!
If you ask i think peter is not ready yet but in a few weeks he will be ready just give him time he is a little bit nervous remember everyone starts out new you taught him well i would let him work on my unit hang in there peter 4:55 4:55
Just weird because he needs all of your knowledge but I just think that he is so wanting to do good for you that it makes him nervous and makes him do before thinking through
Best to try the motor flat on the ground, use an adjustable wrench to twist the shaft back and forth using the flat of the shaft. Pull up on the housing while doing this, and let gravity be your helper.
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I just got my first oxygene acytelyene tourch today 😊
Nice!!
@@PipeDoctor I'm very excited about it!! Can't wait to use it in the field !!!
@@Hvac-dudeif I were you I would use it in someone’s house. Not too much need for a torch in a field………
@Samlol23_drrich I use it more than what you think maybe not that much but I need it to be able to braze when I have to thanku tho !
@@Hvac-dude I was just joking around. Good luck with the torch. I hear you have to light it a certain way to avoid too much soot. One day I’ll pick one up also. Unless that staybrite 8 turns out to be as good as brazing. Some love it and some hate it. Hasnt been around long enough yet imo. Good luck again.
A trick someone taught me was to use a torch on low heat and just heat up the shaft for about a minute or two.
I'm same way I get right, left, confused with nuts n screws when to do clock or counter rotation lol
Don't worry, you're not alone! It can be confusing sometimes.
Ever think of ohming out the motor windings before replacing it? Knowing how to use a meter properly is critcal for troubleshooting.
Yep, but I wanted to keep this video more basic for Peter for learning experience
Your doing great Peter. All best wishes. You can do it,hope soon see you out on jobs with your own van.michael uk care home resident
So the board was bad because it wasn’t sending voltage? But customer provided board and blower?
Yes 👍
Peter is good kid very young and new to the business between your plumbing and cooling and heating jobs there is tremendous amount to learn I think you make him very nervous. Just for the fact that he doesn't want to disappoint you. He definitely needs more time maybe with the other mike or Daniel no TH-cam channel too much pressure for him right now he needs to concentrate on the work not making videos or being in videos
Peter is made for a desk job. He has 0 mechanical ability. Worst part about hiring the brother of your best tech. Now you own him.
Nothing against Peter, he seems to be a great person. Just not everyone is cut out for certain skills.
As a business owner, how could you possibly be making a profit from him?I’m sure you are paying him 40k a year.
I have faith in Peter. Some take longer, a lot longer, than others. It is what it is.
I think, I feel, Peter's real calling is aviation. Pilot.
wait hold up somethin ain't right !! we don't get to see the screw up or the transformer blowing up ?
I like Peter a lot. He strikes me as a fine young man. However, I do not think he has the "capacity" to run his own truck. Realistically, he makes a fine apprentice who is happy to follow directions. I have trained many interns and residence in my time. It does not take much time to realize who has the ability to work independently and make the right decisions. Getting Daniel's opinion is a good idea. Maybe he can give you further insight into Peter's capability.
Good job Mike, Hello Nanna Clair, Peter is be corrupted by Mike, Haha.
Would've liked to have seen the V1.0 and the reason. Burned up a 440v transformer a couple of weeks ago putting in a new MOV, motor operated valve. Further inspection of the conduit wiring revealed that the wiring was improperly butt-spliced. Sailors, SMDH.
Check the capacitor
Benny Goodman was a Great Man but Goodman HVAC is Great for Steady Repair Work and a Mistake a Customer usually only makes Once if they’re following along.
Great point!
black and red on the motor is high and low speed,purple is line one,m1 is for the unused speed,smokey and the bandit.take one would have been epic.
Facts
The flue non contactor is not a foolproof way of testing for dead and it can sense small amount of current... if you rub it on your leg it will detect voltage..
it may detect voltage but you could have a broken neutral also. So you will have voltage but the appliance won't work..
Yes,
I agree with you. But I still use it for checking quickly if there is still current on something I’m about to touch.
Also never hit steel shaft with steel it can cause the shaft to swell. We use a brass punch when needed. Just fyi 😮
Smart
I understand you're expanding and you need somebody new on the truck I just don't think that he's ready right now but you need to be patient because he's a good kid comes from a good family you see you got to jam with Daniel I think that you'll have the same thing with Peter it just might take a little bit longer.
Dude you should always check both legs of power with a volt meter not a test light.
Did he go to hvac school or like to a trade school.
No he didn’t
you guys should not be drinking the lime away LOL.
Damn,
I was thirsty
He’s learning Mikey, but he’s struggling with some of the basic insights into how things work and go together, so I would not turn them loose just yet
Not done yet?
Oh Peter.…
Lol 😆
I just think he needs to be with one of the other guys because you are way too much for him bro. Definitely you make him nervous I saw him work when you were on vacation with Daniel and Daniel had him doing stuff all by himself no problem. She can do it he's still learning I just taken him a little bit more time and with you right there he's doing before thinking and then messing up and that's even making him more nervous because he's trying to go fast to keep up with you and there's no keeping up with you you've been doing this for at least 20 years.
Good lord
Goodman, often poorly hack installed by an badman... 🤣🤣
Usually
Maybe you make him nervous
Last time I checked with Daniel I believe he’s the same way I could be wrong @dchvac
Take the acid off the unit ( lime away )
👍👍
Degreaser and a hammer are your best friend. Once you hammer it flush to the blower wheel use a deep socket to hammer it the rest of the way
This kid would do better with some other Long Island company
You must enjoy hearing yourself talk
Let's see the forty something
260 Thumbs uP
thanks!!
Why you make Peter look like a crack head in the thumb nail? lol
Lol. Now you just made me laugh
They don't call the non-contact testers "death-sticks" for nothing.🤔
agreed!!!
Peter is not ready, he probably needs an office job.
Peter is NOT ready.
By now Peter should not need You to direct his every move. I'm sure he's a great guy but it is so obvious that he's just not cut out for hvac. I'm sure I'm not telling You anything You don't already know.
Peter doesn’t appear to have mechanical skills nor does he appear to want to improve those skills, it’s very possible he is just not interested in the business and should move on to what he wants in life
Peter will be fine working by him self as long as your'e not around. Anyone can see he feels uncomfortable when he's working with you. Also what the hell is wrong with you talking to a customer like that. Telling her she a hot 40 year old, it does not matter if you know them, and saying you are a ladies man. Grow up.
Your chicken stick is reading EMF discharge from the cap
That makes sense
Makes sense
No it is not! With a 240v system, BOTH incoming legs are live, and the purple (common) wire is live at 120v (one half of the 240v waveform or leg if you prefer.) The no contact was correctly reading that as live power (at 120v) which will pass thru the motor windings (and the cap) to show up on the two speed wires, which are switched to the other leg of the incoming 240v by the control board. So those ends were very much live at 120v and would have given a very dangerous shock if touched.
Now on a 120v air handler, if wired properly, the motor common would have been on the neutral which would have made all three motor wires read as dead.
BTW the "EMF" from a capacitor that is not powered up is DC, not Ac, and most no contact testers do not respond to DC.