Gosh, Bizet's orchestration skills are unparalleled. The first movement is sublime! I can hear similarities to Saint-Saens' brilliant orchestration in this piece (they were classmates and friends, after all).
Yes. It's amazing how much proven ability he'd already displayed throughout his short life. I often listen to Bizet's music and can't help but to notice just how well written and creative his works are. Even his Symphony No 1 was written with the kind of brilliance and coherence of a gifted and seasoned composer, despite him only be 17 at the time. I don't think most people realize just how much musical substance his 1st Symphony really had, despite most people enjoying the sound of it.
It's just incredibly warm and beautiful. That slow intro however doesn't prepare us for the brilliant, stirring Allegro section which follows. I detect similarities between the first movement of Bizet's "Roma" and the first movement of Brahms' 1st symphony, completed 8 years later! That's probably purely coincidental as I doubt seriously Brahms would have known this piece, which was as obscure in its own time as it is today
Thank you for posting this recording and score. As a Horn player, I immediately went looking for the score and Horn parts (the Horn parts are not posted on IMSLP). A glorious symphony and “fun” Horn parts - most “juicy”.
A sublime Symphony. I don't think I've ever heard it in its entirety, but I always enjoyed Bizet's first tremendously. Thanks for sharing! These score videos are a gift.
The music is sublime, from start to finish. I have no idea why this is dismissed and disparaged in regard to Bizet's oeuvre. His orchestration here, as always is second to none, and the four movements are jam-packed with inventive and engaging melodies. It's a top shelf symphony, at least to my ears. If there is a weakness to the symphony, it's the purported "program" attached to each movement. This work is more satisfying, like Bizet's first symphony (also in C major) presented as a work of absolute music.
I'm with Mahler on this one: I hear an absolutely marvelous Symphony that should be better known! I certainly prefer it to his earlier effort. When Mahler was preparing Carmen for a production, he said he thought Bizet's opera was better orchestrated than Wagner's Die Meistersinger! And Mahler was a dedicated Wagnerian.
‘If you want to learn to orchestrate, don’t study Wagner’s scores study the score of Carmen.. what wonderful economy - how every note and rest is in its proper place” -Richard Strauss
Quando se pensa em Bizet, apenas se pensa em Carmen, e, no entanto, seu acevo puramente sinfônico é mais do que magnífico, mas poucas orquestras mostram!... por isso mesmo, esta postagem é muito bemvinda e, certamente, muitos estarão gratos.
This is absolutely amazing, it's like all the best parts of different romantic composers knitted together. I will no longer consider Bizet a one-hit wonder (though, I probably shouldn't have to begin with)
@@raustaklass Not for experienced professional horn players . It's perfectly manageable . I used to be a horn player, and never played this piece, but I wish I had had a chance to do so . The horn parts are really juicy .
@@robertberger4203 I'm a player too (albeit a mere student), I could manage one of those parts no problem, but reading all 4 and going in between them would be hard when everything was in F.
The description comes from Wikipedia which used Allmusic as source but what Allmusic forgot to say is that the critic who called it ponderous and boring was a contemporary who was present at the performance on 11 January 1863, conducted by Jules Pasdeloup at the Cirque Napoléon, at which Camille Saint-Saëns was present. It was poorly performed and provoked a hostile reaction from many concert subscribers.I saw critic's name somewhere mentioned, need to search for it again. I should have added that in the description, just as Allmusic should do. I often double check information and what you say about Allmusic is partially true. They are most often pretty correct. If the article is too subjective I won't use it.
The third movement has some of the most beautiful melodies, and finest orchestration in the entire symphonic catalog. It's a slow tempo, for sure, but "ponderous and boring"? Don't get that impression. To my ears it sounds heroic, epic and triumphant.
Actually Bizet studied under Tchaikovsky who studied under Prokofiev who studied under Purcell who studied under Bach who studied under Mahler who studied under Chopin who studied under Beethoven who studied under Wagner who studied under Hayden who studied under Scriabin who studied under Mozart who studied under... (times infiniti)
I really enjoy trying to find hidden music's that I once heard long time ago Bizet has many music's to be reheard I'm fascinated on finding them again!!!
what i like about this style is the way the composer hides the best cards displaying it very gradually at the end, like the fugue in older symphonies; the climaxes are so strategically displayed in this kind of symphony. And is very easy to get this wrong, since the texture at that timee was very limited still.
Did you know Bizet wrote a second symphony? I didn't. Nice piece, it is almost great. He just needed to take a few more chances at crazy stuff. I hate when composers are inhibited and are trying to be nice. Every great piece borders on the insane.
At first I was inclined to call the key of the symphony C minor, rather than major, because the Allegro of the first movement is in the minor mode. However, after listening, it became apparent to me that the Allegro agitato (ma non troppo presto) is more like a middle section, since the formal structure of a full sonata outline appears to be truncated, and the opening C Major Andante returns to end the movement, making the structure more like a ternary than sonata form. Further hearing might make me change my mind, but for now, C Major it is.
Wunderschöne Interpretation dieser romantischen und perfekt komponierten Sinfonie mit gut harmonisierten und perfekt vereinigten Tönen aller Instrumente. Der dritte Satz klingt besonders schön und echt melodisch. Der talentierte Dirigent leitet das ausgezeichnete Orchester im gut phrasierten Tempo und mit künstlerisch kontrollierter Dynamik. Wahrlich hörenswert!
That dark and mysterious incredible viola soli at 6:45...I sometimes like to play it all on the C string until the second half of the third full measure of it as a stretching exercise.. It's tragic. So much of his music was/is under-appreciated and underplayed whereas I see him as the French Mozart. Died way too young, was so full of talent and skill. Although Carmen overshadows all of his other works (don't get me wrong, it's probably my favorite opera) who knows what he might've produced had it not been his final work.
youtube is for this: things you would probably not like to pay for elsewhere but wants to know.... Great discovery for me. Its like the archetype of easy romantic writing
The Scherzo second movement, and the brilliant tarantella finale are absolutely irresistible, but the whole work is very engaging and imaginative. I have no idea why it's not more well-known and performed more often. It's in every way a triumph of musical romanticism and should be an orchestral warhorse.
When I used to hear a program called " candlelight and silver" on the FM channel the radio folks would exclame"that good new FM sound when you would hear the string section!!
This is a gorgeous symphony, just like the first ! However, I find strange that the Scherzo is the 2nd mouvement and the slow one is the 3rd. Shouldn't it be the reverse?
Many earlier symphonies place the Scherzo as the 2nd movement. I know Haydn did this on occasion. Probably the two most well-known examples are Beethoven's 9th Symphony and the 2nd symphony of Schumann.
We had a recording of this plus the symphony in C, many years ago on vinyl. Tbh, in my ignorance at the time, I thought it was an orchestral suite. I think it's far from being ponderous and boring. Pity it's rather forgotten...
The "ponderous, boring" critique was from a person who attended the first performance. This was a performance which didn't do the work justice, just like Glazunov wrecked Rachmaninov's magnificent 1st Symphony. The Symphony was performed on 11 January 1863, conducted by Jules Pasdeloup at the Cirque Napoléon, at which Camille Saint-Saëns was present. It was poorly performed and provoked a hostile reaction from many concert subscribers.
![Georges Bizet - Symphony in C (1855) [Haitink Concertgebouw]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-xk7TVPyboY/mqdefault.jpg)
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Gosh, Bizet's orchestration skills are unparalleled. The first movement is sublime! I can hear similarities to Saint-Saens' brilliant orchestration in this piece (they were classmates and friends, after all).
Yes. It's amazing how much proven ability he'd already displayed throughout his short life. I often listen to Bizet's music and can't help but to notice just how well written and creative his works are. Even his Symphony No 1 was written with the kind of brilliance and coherence of a gifted and seasoned composer, despite him only be 17 at the time. I don't think most people realize just how much musical substance his 1st Symphony really had, despite most people enjoying the sound of it.
I completely agree. His orchestration is unmatched
It's just incredibly warm and beautiful. That slow intro however doesn't prepare us for the brilliant, stirring Allegro section which follows.
I detect similarities between the first movement of Bizet's "Roma" and the first movement of Brahms' 1st symphony, completed 8 years later! That's probably purely coincidental as I doubt seriously Brahms would have known this piece, which was as obscure in its own time as it is today
If only the first movement was published as his "unfinished" symphony it would be performed more often.
Thank you for posting this recording and score. As a Horn player, I immediately went looking for the score and Horn parts (the Horn parts are not posted on IMSLP). A glorious symphony and “fun” Horn parts - most “juicy”.
A sublime Symphony. I don't think I've ever heard it in its entirety, but I always enjoyed Bizet's first tremendously. Thanks for sharing! These score videos are a gift.
The music is sublime, from start to finish. I have no idea why this is dismissed and disparaged in regard to Bizet's oeuvre. His orchestration here, as always is second to none, and the four movements are jam-packed with inventive and engaging melodies. It's a top shelf symphony, at least to my ears.
If there is a weakness to the symphony, it's the purported "program" attached to each movement. This work is more satisfying, like Bizet's first symphony (also in C major) presented as a work of absolute music.
I'm with Mahler on this one: I hear an absolutely marvelous Symphony that should be better known! I certainly prefer it to his earlier effort. When Mahler was preparing Carmen for a production, he said he thought Bizet's opera was better orchestrated than Wagner's Die Meistersinger! And Mahler was a dedicated Wagnerian.
‘If you want to learn to orchestrate, don’t study Wagner’s scores study the score of Carmen.. what wonderful economy - how every note and rest is in its proper place”
-Richard Strauss
3:30 is one of my favorite all time melodies, and then there is also 5:54
Quando se pensa em Bizet, apenas se pensa em Carmen, e, no entanto, seu acevo puramente sinfônico é mais do que magnífico, mas poucas orquestras mostram!... por isso mesmo, esta postagem é muito bemvinda e, certamente, muitos estarão gratos.
This is absolutely amazing, it's like all the best parts of different romantic composers knitted together. I will no longer consider Bizet a one-hit wonder (though, I probably shouldn't have to begin with)
This is a certified hood classic
a will second that☺️; roll down all my windows, turn that base up rolling through my hood with this one!
@@cminor3016 -- Pretty sure Epitaffio was referring to his homies with their gats, in the Hood...you Feel me?
amen
(05:45) dat drop at 05:55
I don't recall being exposed to much of Bizet's works. This is a fine work.
The beginning with Horns in three different keys it's an amazing exercise in orchestral reading of transposing instruments! ;)
Definitely...
Definitely, I am also exercise my brain to see the melody because it goes from Horn in C 1st to Horn in G
And a nightmare to read as a player too, I'm sure
@@raustaklass Not for experienced professional horn players . It's perfectly manageable . I used to be a horn player, and never played this piece, but I wish I had had a chance to do so . The horn parts are really juicy .
@@robertberger4203 I'm a player too (albeit a mere student), I could manage one of those parts no problem, but reading all 4 and going in between them would be hard when everything was in F.
Whoever called the Andante molto "ponderous and boring" must know very little about music... What a gem!
The description comes from Wikipedia which used Allmusic as source but what Allmusic forgot to say is that the critic who called it ponderous and boring was a contemporary who was present at the performance on 11 January 1863, conducted by Jules Pasdeloup at the Cirque Napoléon, at which Camille Saint-Saëns was present. It was poorly performed and provoked a hostile reaction from many concert subscribers.I saw critic's name somewhere mentioned, need to search for it again. I should have added that in the description, just as Allmusic should do. I often double check information and what you say about Allmusic is partially true. They are most often pretty correct. If the article is too subjective I won't use it.
The third movement has some of the most beautiful melodies, and finest orchestration in the entire symphonic catalog. It's a slow tempo, for sure, but "ponderous and boring"? Don't get that impression. To my ears it sounds heroic, epic and triumphant.
I love the scherzo (12:44) with its imitative entries, bristling with energy and suddenly bursting open at 13:11.
3:31 onwards, sounds like Tchaikovsky. Bizet was quite ahead of his time.
The finale could almost be a textbook in romantic orchestration.
Actually Bizet studied under Tchaikovsky who studied under Prokofiev who studied under Purcell who studied under Bach who studied under Mahler who studied under Chopin who studied under Beethoven who studied under Wagner who studied under Hayden who studied under Scriabin who studied under Mozart who studied under... (times infiniti)
@@stalkerstomper3304 lol your order seems legit
@@stalkerstomper3304 that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever
Muy Bella esta sinfonía Roma de G.bizet, gracias ☺️ por compartir 🎉🎉❤
One of my most favorite symphonies. Bizet is the best
@@elchatismiquin6445 -- Qué pedo traes, güey?
Bach is the best
Fr
I really enjoy trying to find hidden music's that I once heard long time ago Bizet has many music's to be reheard I'm fascinated on finding them again!!!
anything bizet touch turn to gold, like a musical midas
Orchestration of a true Master with a capital M, and just listen to his melodies, absolutely beautiful
what i like about this style is the way the composer hides the best cards displaying it very gradually at the end, like the fugue in older symphonies; the climaxes are so strategically displayed in this kind of symphony. And is very easy to get this wrong, since the texture at that timee was very limited still.
Did you know Bizet wrote a second symphony? I didn't. Nice piece, it is almost great. He just needed to take a few more chances at crazy stuff. I hate when composers are inhibited and are trying to be nice. Every great piece borders on the insane.
At first I was inclined to call the key of the symphony C minor, rather than major, because the Allegro of the first movement is in the minor mode. However, after listening, it became apparent to me that the Allegro agitato (ma non troppo presto) is more like a middle section, since the formal structure of a full sonata outline appears to be truncated, and the opening C Major Andante returns to end the movement, making the structure more like a ternary than sonata form. Further hearing might make me change my mind, but for now, C Major it is.
Wunderschöne Interpretation dieser romantischen und perfekt komponierten Sinfonie mit gut harmonisierten und perfekt vereinigten Tönen aller Instrumente. Der dritte Satz klingt besonders schön und echt melodisch. Der talentierte Dirigent leitet das ausgezeichnete Orchester im gut phrasierten Tempo und mit künstlerisch kontrollierter Dynamik. Wahrlich hörenswert!
That dark and mysterious incredible viola soli at 6:45...I sometimes like to play it all on the C string until the second half of the third full measure of it as a stretching exercise..
It's tragic. So much of his music was/is under-appreciated and underplayed whereas I see him as the French Mozart. Died way too young, was so full of talent and skill. Although Carmen overshadows all of his other works (don't get me wrong, it's probably my favorite opera) who knows what he might've produced had it not been his final work.
This symphony is Sublime, increíble and magestic too. 💯💯💯💯💯
youtube is for this: things you would probably not like to pay for elsewhere but wants to know.... Great discovery for me. Its like the archetype of easy romantic writing
I didn't know this masterpiece of one of the best french composer, so wonderful
The Scherzo second movement, and the brilliant tarantella finale are absolutely irresistible, but the whole work is very engaging and imaginative. I have no idea why it's not more well-known and performed more often. It's in every way a triumph of musical romanticism and should be an orchestral warhorse.
When I used to hear a program called " candlelight and silver" on the FM channel the radio folks would exclame"that good new FM sound when you would hear the string section!!
Wow amazing work... Feel some Berlioz influences on it.
Damn how have I never heard this; so amazing!
Qué belleza por favor!!! Gracias!!!
Merci à vous de mettre un tel compositeur en avant, au-delà de Carmen.
If you liked his first symphony you are surely going to love this one.
This is a gorgeous symphony, just like the first ! However, I find strange that the Scherzo is the 2nd mouvement and the slow one is the 3rd. Shouldn't it be the reverse?
It's a little atypical but I've seen it before
Many earlier symphonies place the Scherzo as the 2nd movement. I know Haydn did this on occasion. Probably the two most well-known examples are Beethoven's 9th Symphony and the 2nd symphony of Schumann.
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Someone else heard it too.. ❤❤❤😂😂😂
An old lady would tell me" I'm glad that you enjoy listening to classical music it seemed to be lost in the younger generation there for a while!!
Wonderful...
Great work !!!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼😊🎵🎵🎶🎵 sounds a bit like bhrams according to me
Delightful!
Truly… wow.
32:08 straight up William Tell quotation.
Mind blowing now, so imagine what it was like back then
We had a recording of this plus the symphony in C, many years ago on vinyl. Tbh, in my ignorance at the time, I thought it was an orchestral suite.
I think it's far from being ponderous and boring. Pity it's rather forgotten...
The "ponderous, boring" critique was from a person who attended the first performance. This was a performance which didn't do the work justice, just like Glazunov wrecked Rachmaninov's magnificent 1st Symphony. The Symphony was performed on 11 January 1863, conducted by Jules Pasdeloup at the Cirque Napoléon, at which Camille Saint-Saëns was present. It was poorly performed and provoked a hostile reaction from many concert subscribers.
i suspect bizet knew schubert's "great" symphony in c major.
Bien plus tourmentée que l'autre et très belle.
Who can resist hearing romantic sounds? I know I cannot what about you?
Why is this great symphony so underrated?
God only knows! Its glorious every minute of it!
10:40 to 11:15 omfg
As a horn player, I'd rather play this, but I think the 1st symphony is better.
Helluva Horn parts - from a Horn player.
I dunno. This sounds like a travelogue for the lady’s lingerie department at Nordstrom’s.
you must be on crack then.
@@bartjebartmanshaha here here sir!
I didn't find the slow movement "ponderous and boring" - not at all!
Ditto!
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