I saw the movie first and loved it. The book gave so much more insight into what Elio was thinking. It really captures that obsessive unrequited love we’ve all at some point or another experienced… and then to have it reciprocated just all the emotions and the fear that this will end someday.
Actually I can't separate book from movie anymore, they are so organically linked. Even Andre Aciman says he does not remember how he imagined his own characters before the movie, as Luca and the actors did such a great job. And the book is a memory, told by Elio 20 years after that summer. Truth is both book and movie broke my heart. ❤
There is so much to say about this movie that I won't try to fit it all in here. I'll just comment on something that many, if not most, people gloss over. In the very final long scene before the fire, as his mother is helping set the table, Elio "breaks the fourth wall" and looks directly into the camera. The decision to do that was Timothée's and I think it was brilliant because I felt it was Elio saying you have joined me through this journey and you have been welcome. The thought of it makes me tear up, even now.
I think the book was much more emotional for me, particularly the ending sequences. I felt literal daggers in my stomach when Oliver said he had felt like he’d been in a coma until Elio had come up to him in his lecture hall
16:10 "He's acting like he's gonna eat it." He definitely did taste a little tho, after he put his fingers in. Wasn't that clear on screen? I remember it being explicit. 😅
Omg yes! I loved Bones and All! I read it with the imagery of Timothee’ as Lee for what the character looked like. I definitely prefer the book over the movie though, even though Timothee’ did a good job, I just didn’t like the changes the movie made.
Both are so good & I cried so much at the ending of both movie and book. The book does delve a bit more into Elio’s character, but film is a visual medium so they can use visual language instead of voiceover. I even read the sequel book; no spoilers 😉
@@WhytheBookWins The sequel is very different from CMBYN and is almost hard to relate to the earlier book except for the last chapter. But it's Aciman so it's amazing writing.
A possible reason for people being more weirded out is that the age difference between the actors is greater than the characters making the older love interest seem more creepy/uncomfortable to movie audiences.
Yeah, like I said Chalamat comes across so young whereas Hammer is clearly a GROWN man lol. Having said that I do like the casting and I thought they had great chemistry!
@@WhytheBookWins you may already be familiar with it, but if you enjoyed Call Me By Your Name, I think you’re definitely primed to enjoy E. M. Forster’s “Maurice” and the 1987 adaptation by Merchant Ivory. It’s poetic and can be melancholy but in a beautiful way. Really enjoyed your discussion of Call Me By Your Name.
Great review! Thanks for doing this one. I watched the movie first and do prefer the movie. I felt like the book dragged at times and yes I totally forgot about the Thailand story being kind of random. The best parts in both book & movie is the interaction with the dad towards the end when Oliver leaves..it was so touching I shed a tear & I think it summed up a lot of the feelings that were conflicting Elio. I prefer the movie ending too. The last scene was so touching and emotional. I’m curious about the sequel to the book, Find Me. I haven’t read it because it seems to have mixed reviews.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Totally agree about that part with his dad being one of the best moments. I am curious to read the sequel, but it isn't super on my TBR right now.
4:40 "Self-loathing, what was it about?" As someone who lived a similar experience, to me it most definitely is about the same gender sexual activity. Especially when you are brought up with quite (explicit or implicit) conservative ideas, or simply don't even know that homosexuality is a thing (trust me, that can still happen). In the 80's in Italy, I don't really doubt this would've been quite a similar situation/feeling for Elio. I also don't think it'd be about the age difference. Again speaking from experience: on the contrary: imo, the age difference kinda reassures the younger person, whether that reassurance is warranted or not. Like "he's older, he's been through this already, most likely (whether that's actually the case or not), he has experience, I can trust him not to hurt me (both literally and figuratively)". In Italy, and other countries where age of consent is quite low (i.e. not higher than 16), a 17 with a 24 y o is no different than say a 21 y o with a 30 y o. I have several friends who had "very young gf's" compared to their own age (indeed quite similar, like 17 to 24), and, coincidence or not, those are still very solid relationships, they're both happily married and building a life together, 10 years or so onward. 😊
Yeah I think that it most likely the reason too. That's interesting though that you think the age dynamic if anything would be a benefit in this situation, I hadn't thought of that. Thanks for commenting!
So at least for my generation (born in 1995) our dating "rule" regarding age was divide by two and then add 7 so if u have a 24 year old (like Oliver) the youngest he should be dating is 19. Although something I've personally noticed is LGBTQIA+ relationships also tend to have an age gap. Maybe this is because so many 50+ were forced to hide their sexuality till now but still I do think its a tad odd.
I'm not going to watch this yet, I still need to see the movie. All I can say, is that what I know about this is that I probably would really do it as a young gay person. also, I love Sufjan Stevens so much. I'll come back to this later. bless
Maybe Oliver's maturity and charisma comes through more in the book. Also having Armie Hammer in the role might ruin it for some people at this point given what has since come out about him.
I saw the movie first and loved it. The book gave so much more insight into what Elio was thinking. It really captures that obsessive unrequited love we’ve all at some point or another experienced… and then to have it reciprocated just all the emotions and the fear that this will end someday.
Yes so true!
Well said
Actually I can't separate book from movie anymore, they are so organically linked. Even Andre Aciman says he does not remember how he imagined his own characters before the movie, as Luca and the actors did such a great job. And the book is a memory, told by Elio 20 years after that summer. Truth is both book and movie broke my heart. ❤
Even without the framing as a memoir and playing out in real time, it’s so accurate to the book
There is so much to say about this movie that I won't try to fit it all in here. I'll just comment on something that many, if not most, people gloss over. In the very final long scene before the fire, as his mother is helping set the table, Elio "breaks the fourth wall" and looks directly into the camera. The decision to do that was Timothée's and I think it was brilliant because I felt it was Elio saying you have joined me through this journey and you have been welcome. The thought of it makes me tear up, even now.
Such a good point! Just reading that and remembering that scene almost had me feeling teary too. Such an amazing movie and Timothee was incredible 🥹
I think the book was much more emotional for me, particularly the ending sequences. I felt literal daggers in my stomach when Oliver said he had felt like he’d been in a coma until Elio had come up to him in his lecture hall
Yeah true, the writing was so powerful!
16:10 "He's acting like he's gonna eat it."
He definitely did taste a little tho, after he put his fingers in. Wasn't that clear on screen? I remember it being explicit. 😅
Please review Bones and All by Camille DeAngelis which was made into a movie of the same name by Luca Guadagnino
I've been worried I'll be too grossed out given the subject matter! But I'll give it a shot and see if I can handle it lol.
Omg yes! I loved Bones and All! I read it with the imagery of Timothee’ as Lee for what the character looked like. I definitely prefer the book over the movie though, even though Timothee’ did a good job, I just didn’t like the changes the movie made.
The beginning of the book is the worst. Once Maren meets Lee it’s just the best coming of age story. So heartfelt too for Lee’s story.
@lucasorlando99 @alexking5742 wanted to let you know I just read and watched Bones and All! my video will be out next month
@@WhytheBookWins I’m super excited to hear your review of both!
Both are so good & I cried so much at the ending of both movie and book. The book does delve a bit more into Elio’s character, but film is a visual medium so they can use visual language instead of voiceover. I even read the sequel book; no spoilers 😉
Would you recommend the sequel??
@@WhytheBookWins I honestly would if you really liked the first one. I was kinda surprised how it ended up, but it did give me the feels
@@WhytheBookWins The sequel is very different from CMBYN and is almost hard to relate to the earlier book except for the last chapter. But it's Aciman so it's amazing writing.
A possible reason for people being more weirded out is that the age difference between the actors is greater than the characters making the older love interest seem more creepy/uncomfortable to movie audiences.
Yeah, like I said Chalamat comes across so young whereas Hammer is clearly a GROWN man lol. Having said that I do like the casting and I thought they had great chemistry!
All of James Ivory's screenplays are beautifully written and very relatable.
I need to look up some of his other ones!
@@WhytheBookWins you may already be familiar with it, but if you enjoyed Call Me By Your Name, I think you’re definitely primed to enjoy E. M. Forster’s “Maurice” and the 1987 adaptation by Merchant Ivory. It’s poetic and can be melancholy but in a beautiful way.
Really enjoyed your discussion of Call Me By Your Name.
Oh for sure the book!
So gripping.
But the movie is great too! 😆😄
Look forward to your analysis. 😊
Great review! Thanks for doing this one. I watched the movie first and do prefer the movie. I felt like the book dragged at times and yes I totally forgot about the Thailand story being kind of random.
The best parts in both book & movie is the interaction with the dad towards the end when Oliver leaves..it was so touching I shed a tear & I think it summed up a lot of the feelings that were conflicting Elio. I prefer the movie ending too. The last scene was so touching and emotional.
I’m curious about the sequel to the book, Find Me. I haven’t read it because it seems to have mixed reviews.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Totally agree about that part with his dad being one of the best moments.
I am curious to read the sequel, but it isn't super on my TBR right now.
I love the way you talk about books!
thank you so much!
4:40 "Self-loathing, what was it about?"
As someone who lived a similar experience, to me it most definitely is about the same gender sexual activity. Especially when you are brought up with quite (explicit or implicit) conservative ideas, or simply don't even know that homosexuality is a thing (trust me, that can still happen).
In the 80's in Italy, I don't really doubt this would've been quite a similar situation/feeling for Elio.
I also don't think it'd be about the age difference. Again speaking from experience: on the contrary: imo, the age difference kinda reassures the younger person, whether that reassurance is warranted or not. Like "he's older, he's been through this already, most likely (whether that's actually the case or not), he has experience, I can trust him not to hurt me (both literally and figuratively)".
In Italy, and other countries where age of consent is quite low (i.e. not higher than 16), a 17 with a 24 y o is no different than say a 21 y o with a 30 y o.
I have several friends who had "very young gf's" compared to their own age (indeed quite similar, like 17 to 24), and, coincidence or not, those are still very solid relationships, they're both happily married and building a life together, 10 years or so onward. 😊
Yeah I think that it most likely the reason too. That's interesting though that you think the age dynamic if anything would be a benefit in this situation, I hadn't thought of that. Thanks for commenting!
So at least for my generation (born in 1995) our dating "rule" regarding age was divide by two and then add 7 so if u have a 24 year old (like Oliver) the youngest he should be dating is 19. Although something I've personally noticed is LGBTQIA+ relationships also tend to have an age gap. Maybe this is because so many 50+ were forced to hide their sexuality till now but still I do think its a tad odd.
I love this movie so much 💛💙💛💙
Timothee really cool actor
Fun fact: Guadagnino left in the peach scene because "he tested it out and it worked". 😄
oh wow 😆
I'm not going to watch this yet, I still need to see the movie. All I can say, is that what I know about this is that I probably would really do it as a young gay person. also, I love Sufjan Stevens so much. I'll come back to this later. bless
I think you'll love the movie! And yeah, his song for this movie was amazing!
I have seen the film but not read the book yet. I fail to see what Elio sees in Oliver who I find really horrible.
Maybe Oliver's maturity and charisma comes through more in the book. Also having Armie Hammer in the role might ruin it for some people at this point given what has since come out about him.