I also experienced an issue with a friend's son and our local warden. My buddies boy shot a trophy 11pt with his bow on the Saturday opener during the evening. They looked for his buck all day the next day on Sunday. The next day, on Monday, a neighbor found the buck laying just off her yard when she let her dog out first thing that morning. She called the local warden who retrieved it. Later that day my buddy heard what happened from the neighbor so he called the warden up. The warden came by their house that afternoon to show them the deer. My buddies boy described it to a T and which shoulder he shot it in. It literally died within 100yds, only mere feet from where they previously searched. Thinking the warden was going to allow him to tag it, the warden began lecturing him about practicing more and learning the anatomy of a deer to avoid the shoulder blade. When my buddy finally asked if his son could tag it, the warden told him, flat out, "no!" No excuse given, except they didn't find the deer. There was no doubt it was his deer and what was taking place. The warden wanted the rack. It was a beautiful, thick trophy 11pt. His son got the last laugh because three weeks later he shot an even bigger racked 13pt. and made sure the warden knew about it, thanking him for not allowing him to keep the first buck.
I would highly suggest you guys record your interactions with law enforcement at all times for proof and easier to win in court with the eye of the public helping bc of the proof. Happens everyday with people’s right being violated. Record everything no matter what. Keep up the great work guys. Wish I could fly here in NY to recover deer
All states will make it legal eventually after they figure out a way they can make their money off it. They'll make it where the hunter and the pilot has to buy some kind of recovery permit.
kevin this is exactly what our last conversation was about in july when I was going to become a pilot with you guys. I bet it was the same warden who called me and told me that it was illegal and he would be watching and if he caught me I would be arrested and charged for hunting with an electronic device because they consider recovery as part of the hunt! I still want to become a pilot if we can change this issue in Pa. I had Clayton locate my buck in Ohio a few weeks ago that went onto the neighboring property. What a great guy, although it took him less than a minute to locate my buck he was more than willing to share a wealth of knowledge for when I become a DDR pilot if we can clear this issue in Pa.........
American law enforcement is universally out of control everywhere about everything. Iraq and Afghanistan combat vets returned to America full of jitters and itchy trigger fingers, viewing us not as citizens but as “civilians” who are potential threats with no constitutional rights. So our police everywhere are militarized and ready to go from talking to beating the snot out of someone in five seconds. It’s a problem
I feel like the game warden wanted a thermal drone for state use and his request was denied to purchase one. So he found an easy way to seize one. If for some reason you lose this case I would demand that the drone be destroyed to remove any suspicion that it was seized for state’s personal gain.
I totally agree omg but then again it's a state employee they don't know most of there laws and they bend them to each situation this guy with his drone is doing nothing illegal at all .and of course the state employee wants the drone because the state can't buy them one.
As with most businesses, maybe this whole drone recovery thing needs to hire yourselves a lawyer just for these type situations. Because since it's happened already, there's bound to be more situations like this flowing down the pipe in the future. Stand tall though and stand proud, look forward to hear more about this situation and please keep us informed.
I’m SO GLAD you guys brought this up…. I’m a hunter in PA and this has always been something i was wondering about in PA. There are unfortunately some game wardens that are ruining the sport and there are less hunters every year. They need to all enforce the law the same and they cant say one thing and then go against it another time.
Crucial point !! Losing hunters every year and lots of Attacks n negative view of US hunters at times !! This appears like Power Trip or abuse of Power ! 😎
Thermal drone recovery is the best thing I've ever seen, you guys are awesome. I'm in PA I was going to use you guys earlier in the year for a buck I shot. This is definitely over reach, they need to update their wording and allow this for recovery.
And for an illegal stop, illegal detention, unlawful 4th Amendment search and seizure. There’s a lot of opportunity in this particular case to teach law enforcement some tough lessons about obeying the constitution. But you must use a competent attorney to do it.
Same in Kentucky, 10 different Wardens will give you 10 different answers, So if there is a Law written it has one answer not what ever they decide to do that day
I've lived here in PA all my life, and this state is so ridiculous. They don't want to do anything to help its citizens. I believe that the operator has a legal recourse.
I can tell you that here in Ohio that I shot a deer just before dark and waited an hour before planning to go to recover it. Hunting on my own land. I tried to call my local game Warden and was unable to reach him because it was after hours (????). So since we have a horrible problem with coyotes around here, we proceeded to get permission from our neighbors in writing to look for the deer. We did not find it. The following morning I called the state office of the DNR and they told me it was my responsibility to locate and recover the deer if at all possible, and I was within my rights to do so after legal hunting hours as long as we had permission to be on the land on which we were going to search. This sounds like a bunch of BS coming out of the DNR in Pennsylvania. Trying to make an example out of this drone pilot. Now this year, I just bought a new DJI thermal drone for the purpose of recovering fatally wounded deer for people. Studying right now to take my part 107 test, info on how to get proper waivers, info on health to work with public servants, etc. Now I'm afraid to proceed in order to help anyone after hearing about this Sting in Pennsylvania. This cannot be correct. There must be the same rules across the board for everyone whether it's the hunter or someone trying to help the hunter like in this case. In my opinion they had no right to take the equipment or even approach this pilot. The liability form that was completed by the supposed hunter should have covered everything legally. This is quite an upsetting situation.
@@davefoyer3474 Yes that's how our game commission works here in Pa. They are against anything new like crossbows. They get reigned in sometimes by our state representatives. Most hunters that I talk to have bad stories about them, including myself.
@@stevenancykulp5884 I know what the laws are in PA, we own Tri-State Deer Tracking. We looked into the drones to utilize it as and additional tool for recovery, but we were shown the laws/rules and they also informed us that they would confiscate it, if caught. Therefore, we didn't invest. I've spoken to that joker in Ohio and he's not telling you the truth and the whole story. The law is clear and when it's changed, we will consider it. However, he charged 450 plus another 100 if found and mileage. We charged 150 and found 80 plus deer. Not many people are dropping 450 etc. For the average deer hunter.
I think it is happening in your state as well. If you are a truly an attorney in Michigan, perhaps you should elaborate a bit so that you could help any and all other people who might run into this situation.
CELL CAMERAS ARE AN ELECTRONIC DEVICE THAT NOTIFIES YOU IN REAL TIME (within seconds anyway) WHEN AND WHERE DEER ARE IN YOUR HUNNTING AREA! You can even tell which way they're headed and head to the right stand for an electronic assisted high-tech ambush. Unlike drones that need an operator to fly them and observe where the deer are, you can have cell cameras throughout your hunting area WHILE you're hunting that will tell you within seconds if the deer are in your area and headed your way. I don't know if cell cameras are legal in every state though. And what about cell phones that almost all of use while hunting and two-way radios that are also frequently used? Aren't they electronic devices used during the pursuit of deer? Just a thought.
Well the argument could surely be made that they are, I'm betting they will be outlawed in the future, I watched a Prominet TH-cam show last night, the guys says that they received this Deer's picture at 11 am, went to the location, spot n stalk hunt the buck and shoot him. - While I would have done the same thing, You don't have to tell all, this is the type of information the will use to outlaw cell cams.
Yea, I thought about it before I posted it, but it's pretty obvious how cell cameras can, and are, used. And I agree that I would use cell cameras if I could afford them. @@dougwallace2210
@@jeffreysexton720 no, if you are committing a crime, then they have the legal right to seize property connected to the act. But my point is they weren't doing anything illegal, so what's their justification for seizing the property?
This needs to be addressed with the state legislature. Calling random people in the game commission office probably won’t help. Contact your state representative. Make them discuss the issue and have it addressed in a law or ordinance.
I've found not all but most game wardens feel you arthane guilty of doing something wrong even when you didn't and they are going to try to make you guilty of something. Game wardens have the worst repore with the public than any other law enforcement agencies. I talked to a local warden who was a sergeant about a permanent senior license question I had about can I do this with this license or do I need a supplemental license and he told me I don't have a clue, the laws are so vague that we can't figure them out. Then how can they enforce them??🤔
Hey guys I love the channel and content and I believe that the drone recovery process is a valuable tool. I have been hunting for about 40 years and its everything to me, and my life revolves around it. I use any tool I can to help aid in finding, identifying age and target deer, as well as the most efficient weapon allowed. So I agree there is a place for drone recovery. The only sketchy thing I saw was on a video of a recovery there was a live deer found with the drone and it was a giant. After a few seconds it was realized that this live deer was way bigger than the deer that was being looked for. But the hunter was watching the video and I heard him say "Ooh where is that at". I cant remember if any detail was given to the hunter about its location but if it was or if he figured it out I am sure he was in a stand near that location the next hunt. My recommendation is that the hunter doesn't get to see the video feed or any discussion about the amount of live deer in the area while the search is on going. I understand at some point the hunter does need to evaluate whether or not it was their deer if it is still alive. Just my 2 cents. With regard to using the drone outside of hunting hours. I rarely have had any interaction with CPO's mostly because I hunt on private property. However there was a time when I was coming back from hunting, it was after shooting hours and I didn't have on my orange hat, I did have one, it just wasn't on, it was hot out. I got a ticket and 9 points against me and my argument was, I cant legally hunt, and no one else can either so why do I have to have any orange on after hours? I took it to court, showed the judge the book of regulations which doesn't say orange has to be worn 24 7 during the 3 day season, showed him the time on the ticket and all the judge did was yell at the CPO for not giving me more tickets. I then filed a grievance against the CPO. I met with the Captain and Sargent, it was clear they were mainly there to try and trap me in some violation but I am as legal as they get. After about an hour of discussions, they of course did nothing to the CPO but to my amazement the next year, the regulations book had many revisions made based on that discussion, and cleared up a lot of unknowns and undocumented rules.
4th Amendment should prevent that seizure without charges. It seems unreasonable to me to seize a $10k+ piece of equipment without a warrant to take it or unless a felony level crime is being investigated and if that was the case it would surely involve an arrest. This will only be resolved in the Courts or the Legislature.
Do they want you to look for a wounded animal, loose the blood trail and say "oh well" then continue hunting and take another animal, now you've killed over the limit and one was totally wasted. Is that what they want?
Dog handlers have the same issues. Grey areas are best approached with directions from your local officer. Work with him, involve him, and follow his instruction. Grey areas are up to his discretion. If you make him feel challenged, you won’t win.
How about trail cameras? Are they legal? Very interesting to find out because the law reads the same here in Georgia about using electronic devices. They are illegal to use to hunt.
As a Pa resident I can sadly say that it is In fact unclear and left up For interpretation by the warden/ an individuals opinion or own interpretation. The Laws & Hunting Regs are outdated, unpopular, confusing, and down right dumb. The State needs to do a better job of updating and defining the statutes and regulations. We are allowed to hunt some Sundays. But not all.. It’s ridiculous and absurd the confusion and lack of explanation or accountability to make the changes needed. It is about time we stand together and hold them accountable to make the necessary changes. I hope you find representation and bring the fight to them! I can say many of us Pa residents are with you. It’s time to make the necessary changes to sustain our wild life and keep the integrity of the sport going for future generations to come! God speed guys!
When I tried this on Rhode Island the chief of enforcement loved the idea and some biologist just said no ! Lawyer wants 2k to even send a letter to RI DEM. This year on FB there’s guys offering thermal recovery. So much for trying to do the right thing.
All I can say is get a lawyer and better have money. It can takes years to get drone back, I’m 55 and I’ve been down this road before so I honestly know what is gonna happen already. So like I said, LAWYER, MONEY, FOYA on phones, both Game Warden and person who called him.!! I’m German, Stubborn and I have had many encounters with game commissioners since I was 12-13 years old. They’re 90-95% bullies with a badge. Protest this publicly and TV wise if you can and get it out there, I’m saying this to the guy who had his drone stolen…!!!!! But EVERYTHING I’m telling ya you gotta do and what’s gonna happen. So if you don’t take my advice then it’s on you is all I can say. I’m behind ya 💯 %. You wanna protest and get it out there, then I’m down for it.!!!! But like I said in beginning, LAWYER, MONEY, FOYA and TIME.!! Good luck and lmk if there’s anything I can help you out with this.!!! 👍✌️
I am a recreational flyer and I live in a rural area in NW Pa. 95% of my flights are out of my yard. An incident occurred on September 3, 2023 and the PA State police now have my Air 2S. I was filming a hyper lapse video of the sunset when I received a critical battery error (my own stupidity) and the drone made an emergency landing about 400 meters from home. I could see that it had landed on a neighbors property and waited until the next morning to go there and ask permission to search. When I did they told me that they had found it and called the police who came and took the drone. I was happy to hear that it was found and figured that all I needed to do was call, explain what happened, and go retrieve it from them. I made that call on September 4 and was told that the officer involved would have to call me back. I waited a few days without hearing a word then he finally contacted me. He informed me that I wouldn't be getting the drone back soon if at all because there had been other complaints, about drone flyers in my neighborhood. I explained that I could easily prove that there was no malicious intent on my part by showing him the flight logs. I also told him that everything I filmed would be on the memory card in the drone and, if he removed the battery, he would find a sticker with my name, address and phone number on it. He didn't want to hear that though and was very arrogant and downright rude when he told me that he was gathering everyone in the area who had complained and they were taking me to court. When I inquired about a timeline he said that he couldn't even start the 'investigation' until he gets off of 3rd shift. Its been a month and he still has not started the investigation. Since then I've done some research and found that civil forfeiture laws exist that allow them to keep property indefinitely even if there is never an arrest. UPDATE I received a call from Trooper Lewis of the PSP today (12/10/23) and he informed me that he would be filing 'unlawful use of an unmanned aircraft ' and also 'disorderly conduct ' charges against me. The disorderly conduct charge really blows my mind. When I asked him about it he said it was because 2 other officers had visited me with warnings. Those officers never issued any warning either written or verbal. Unfortunately with my wife battling breast cancer and heart problems and with both of us being retired on a fixed income the money won't be there to hire a lawyer and fight this and my income will keep me from getting legal assistance.
I would definitely go to court if they try to go through with it and request to review the footage from the drone. If footage is "lost" then there's no proof of a malicious act and if the sunset footage you say is there then when that is seen it court the judge will probably laugh and dismiss it
Yeah I'll fight this best I can on my own. Its just so wrong that it's almost unbelievable. I gotta say though this experience has soured my respect for law enforcement big time.
Haven't been served yet but those charges were filed on 12/14. I used an App called PaEdocket to look up my own name and discovered it. Pre-lim hearing is 1/29/24
The charges were filed on 12/14 and they are 4 counts of 'unlawful use of an unmanned aircraft - conduct surveillance' and 1 count of 'disorderly conduct/physi off'. Fingerprints have also been ordered. The offense date is listed as 7/14/23 so it looks like there aren't any charges for the flight om 9/3 when they took my Air 2s. I checked my remote and on 7/14 I made 6 flights using 2 of my drones. None of those flights were near any structures. The 2 drones that I flew on 7/14/23 were the DJI Mini 2 and Mini 3 Pro. I registered both of these drones with the FAA even though it is not required because both are under 250 mg's in weight. They are considered toys. I am being charged with conducting surveillance with a toy. The disorderly conduct charge with physical violence really stuns me as there was never a confrontation of any sort. The arresting officer, PSP trooper Andrew J. Lewis 13714, never even came to my house. All my interactions with him were over the phone.
The 4th Amendment seems to not apply to game wardens. They can search your private property whenever they want without probable cause, warrant, etc. Not surprised they're also siezing property without violation.
@@toddchester5966 it's call Exigent Circumstances where any LEO can enter private property without consent or a warrant. For example your house is on fire and a person is trapped inside the LEO can enter to try to rescue the person or a burglary is happening in a private business and the perps are inside. LEO's can enter to attempt to end the incident.
Whether people are for or against using drones for recovering game, it is apparent this is becoming a more common thing. State agencies need to make it clear whether or not it is legal to use drones specifically for this purpose.
One of your guys listed on the Deer Drone Recovery website just got his drone seized in North Louisiana from the State Game and Fish. He helped find the deer but because he was there and searched for the deer after so many hours and it was still alive but badly injured the Game and Fish didn’t care and now he has to go to court over it. Now he doesn’t know if he will get his Drone back
The tyrants have had control for a while now. I used to support the blue and still do in a means. But they are all dirty and all made to do dirty stuff. Makes them all Gestapo taking orders from a tyrant and most of them. Couldn't recite the bill of rights. Probably don't even know that it's the 1st 10 amendments. That's how screwed this nation has become.
Another thing that might help besides signing the waiver would to not let land owner/hunter be involved in watching the monitor. Only give him the results of what you find. This kinda kills the moment but would be crucial in any allegations of hunting the deer. If the deer is not dead location information can not be given. The hunter would not be any better off from you coming unless you find his dead deer. Bottom line is ,we all know everything can be done in a unlawful manner but try to show as much as possible that this only for recovery!! And I dont think there is any more possibilities toward that other what was mentioned.
Everyone involved was happy enjoying themselves… therefore must be shut down and regulated until some taxation can be formulated 1 in 7 work for. Government add in non profits and we’re almost out numbered
That's because the wardens are out for state revenue period. I dare someone to say I'm wrong because I went to college for this lol my major was parks and rec to become a warden and on my 3rd year is when I learnt the true purpose of DNR's, wardens and conservation agents 😅 and thats when I had a hard look at what I was getting into. I held good grades and could have got my bachelor's for it with ease. Even aced my botany classes but when I found this out and thought hard for a few weeks I decided to drop the major. I went in because I have a love and care for wildlife and the hunting aspect of wildlife. As soon as I found out it was ONLY about state revenue, my heart sank 💔
As a resident of Pa and hunter. I’ve had permission to search for deer on a Sunday. Also had permission to look for one the Sunday after the rifle season was closed . Just obviously wasn’t allowed to carry a weapon. Then had to follow up with a checkup if we had recovered the animal.
Every state is different. Is there not research being done before listing drone pilots so they are not sitting ducks for the game wardens?!? Just a question.
Legal in Illinois to track wounded deer with a dog on a leash any time of the day. Illinois has declared drones illegal to use in any manner to aid in scouting, recovery, or any use pertaining to deer.
Probably a fear with game wardens of folks using thermal drones to locate, not dead deer, but live big bucks on the hoof instead of using game cams. I figure laws are being discussed even now.
Then deal with them accordingly, Just like every other poacher out there. Please don't be naive in thinking that just because drones get grounded that poachers won't find other avenues to shoot big bucks. They've been doing it for decades. Punishing the majority of ethical hunters and restricting them from using this technology to recover their deer.... is silly.
We can't use dogs to hunt.............here but tons of people use them to recover there game. To me it shouldnt be legal either way. Cause what happens if you jump and shoot said animal the dog finds wounded? Very grey area in that matter.
Here’s the real deal, if you want too know what is going ? They know you can personally locate every deer in the woods on your personal time, so they don’t want anyone having a personal drone that has that capability.
In Michigan the DNR has more authority, as far as know then any other state authority giving them the ability 2 do whatever they want without a warrant!
I think you’ll discover that the PGC has broad authority to search, seize cite and arrest. I don’t agree with all the power they’ve been given but until we change it, it’s reality.
NY in the last few days passed legislation to make drone deer recovery illegal. Saying that traditional tracking is part of the hunt. The way they say it is that hunting is a primitive sport and that having drones recover your deer allows for hunters to get sloppy and it's not what is traditionally done. I feel for you guys and the business your trying to do but in some means I do see where they are coming from. Good luck guys Im routing for you!
They are hopefully going to be rewriting the law in NY. I’ve spoken to a few DEC officers and some will ticket, some won’t. They have specifically told me that by next year we should be ok. I personally think it’s a crock of s$&t. If I don’t recover my deer and he is dead, now I’m using my tag on another buck essentially killing two possibly 3,4,5 deer when I could have recovered the first deer and tagged it.
please levelize volume of audio tracks, i'm having to turn up/down volume every time the other starts speaking. also both audio tracks should play in both ears. thanks
I live in southern Maryland and we are allowed to hunt almost every Sunday during the season on private land not on public land. I didn’t even know that drones were even a thing for recovery of a carcass. You’ve got me interested in the game laws in Maryland now.
I just looked it up apparently there’s only 3 states that have no written laws about recovering a deer carcass with a drone and Maryland is 1 of the 3 states the other 2 states are Delaware and Kentucky
Pa wardens are interesting. I’m from Pa and like to pick their brains from time to time about various topics and scenarios. Long story short , every Warden has a different personality and police differently. There’s a lot of gray areas in the law book and that’s by design. I REALLY hope drones get passed this year 🤞🏻
As long as he has everything documented even recorded video of the transaction he should be able to crush them in court also sounds like to me they may have just wanted his drone for there department. In ohio as long as you have written permission from la d owners you can get your deer I've done it a few times with out game wardens help
I spoke with our game warden in Kentucky directly at the Hunter education course and he said as long as we meet all the requirements to flight correctly by the FCC and have a pilot's license if we're making money he has no problem with it!
I hate adding more bureaucracy to our already bloated government entities, but perhaps states should have a recovery certificate program that certifies and licenses recovery operators, and with that certificate/license, pilots can carry on with recovery w/o the worry of being harassment.
So many problems with this seizure, a contract was made prior to using the drone that it was for recovery only, no firearm was permitted in recovery. It would be perfectly legal to search with a flashlight or a dog, but not hunt with either. This is government overreach and picking and choosing what is allowed and not following the law. I can’t see any legal standing the warden has. This is power trip that law abiding people should not stand for.
PA game laws have changed, and they do allow Sunday hunting from archery all the way to rifle season. The game wardens are probably gonna give the drone back but they wanted to take him off the streets as the end of the season was Saturday and they didn’t want him to find any more deer that’s my. Take.
Exactly! Plunder is much easier than profit. State agencies never have to show a profit so they get real good at plunder. TSA,IRS,DEA,FBI,CIA,BLM . All of them! PGC as well. Millions of dollars annually from gas leases and timber sales and licensing fees and yet it’s never enough! That pilot should have told that deputy ,arrest me ,go buy your own f#*@#& drone ,I’m done here! !
Recovery is absolutely part of the hunt! Saying that its not is a ridiculous statement. In addition, I believe the use of drones to assist hunting is a slippery slope most hunters don't want to see the sport venture down.
I will be honest here in Indiana you guys are getting ready to have the same thing happen as PA and IA .Some of the COs are not on board I have heard it stated more than once . Don't be shocked when it happens here .
I’m about ready to quit hurting in Pennsylvania our deer numbers are lower than they have ever been I live in Mercer county and have hunted 4 days and have only seen 3 deer I believe it’s because too many anterless license issued when I was younger we use to see 30 or more a day it’s like the deer herd has disappeared. What county has this happened in
Totally agree with you. I also live 8 miles from Mercer and I’ve been hunting for over 40 years now, born and raised in same location near gameland. And it’s like you said. Back when I was young it was ONLY 3 day doe hunt. Now there’s so many different tags and others overlapping other hunts. I really think they’re just out for money on everything . Between pheasant, elk, it’s ridiculous is all I gotta say. Idk 🤷♂️, But what I do know is I don’t put up with bullies, and it’s 50/50 with game wardens and believe me I have a wright to say it because I’ve been through it with them and probably could of built a house from fines with them. All I can say with these guys is fight it and don’t back down,.!!! Well enough BS, take care Dave and I’m with ya on what you said .! Good luck hunting, we got 2 more days of rifle and yesterday I must of had 30 Amish in gameland beside my stand pushing and sad because I had little bucks coming up to my area shot and wounded. Alright enough, Ttyl8 👍✌️
Game wardens can place cameras on private property with warrants. If you yake it down, you can face charges. They seem to have more leeway in laws than regular law enforcement.
Hey guys just saw this video. As a former police officer, and a former Marine. I am appalled that they did this! This is a violation of your 4th Amendment rights for illegal search and seizures. I didn’t sacrifice and fight for this country so idiots like this could violate your freedoms. I live in Colorado Springs and understand that game wardens can take equipment used in an illegal hunt but usually a Heavy citation and fine accompanies this action. To not issue you a fine or citation and to just take your equipment without cause or a warrant is crazy! GET A LAWYER and sue them! They violated your constitutional rights . I would if I were you. Enough of that rant. I love your videos and have been flying RC for a few years and recently switched to drones. Currently studying for my part 107 and thinking about how to grow my own business when I retire from working on helicopters. I also hold an A&P license. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I also noticed there is no one in Colorado offering your services yet. Hope you get your drone back with a large settlement for the violation of your rights.
This is Civil Ass. Forfeiture....especially in the game warden side of enforcement, a drone of this type has to be on their wish list, even when they have drones already.
Your waiver document is Pretty Clear n straightforward language to cover yourself !! Sounds like your guy needs counsel !! You guys were set up .. this is obvious Government over reach !! I live in Pennsylvania n alot of wardens feel they can do what they want .. Owner of drone NEEDS to fight this if you guys have ANY desire to continue this business !! 😎 Best of Luck .. of course you can search at night without weapons or find a deer on Sunday ! We are losing tons of hunters young kids don't go outside let alone hunt .. It's a Power Trip !!
I live in PA. I talked to different game wardens, and it's up to that specific game warden. As far as recovering a deer on Sunday is allowed. They will come out if it's on private property and finish it off if it is fatally wounded. Deer has to not want to get up . The old thermo handheld device to recover deer is not allowed.
I can see how a farmer would rather pinpoint the deer 📌🦌 evaluate the deer and make proper decisions. Instead of wading through looking for signs of blood damaging crop or pushing the animal onto other property
You need lawyers. Wardens are the one state agency with the most free will and freedom to do as they see fit. Is there any footage of all that occurred?
So technically, flying a drone (thermal or not) at any time of day or at any location could be construed as using an electronic device to hunt deer ? How can a warden know if someone is a non hunter simply taking images of beautiful fall foliage, sunsets, etc. etc. ? Seems like game wardens have the leeway to confiscate ANYONES’S drone. This should be fought all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.
They confiscated one of the DDR guy’s drone in North Louisiana for helping to find a wounded deer and now there is no telling when he will get his back.
Counterpoint: these guys are also showing their clients not only how many deer are around, but also their locations and other bucks. It would be very easy for these clients to ambush a drone spotted bedded buck after the recovery team leaves.
@@ellobo1326 Nope, fairly limited view and trigger range, not mobile, can’t see through brush like the IR drone. Also, old bucks get that way by being wary of corn piles, etc but the drone don’t care.
It is a violation under the 14th Amendment! "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Like if your going out of state to buy an old car and have cash to buy to over 10 thousand dollars they pull you over and find out you have cash they take it and say it's drug money even if you have never been caught with drugs they take it and you have to fight like crazy to get it returned
ok. i think this is what the warden was doing to make their job more black and white. You had an officer that had the balls to set up a sting to get something in court so that words in the book will make his job easier, and not have to ask 100 questions to make sure it was legal.
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In NY if you try and use a Drone you stand a chance of going to jail for up to a year, its a Misdemeanor Crime.
They just recently ran a drone over our property searching for one on the next so they have to find it on the property.so itf the deer on are ptoberty they need to see us to retrieve but they walk wright on in so there is a problem with your system of retrieving woth a drone noise and lakof privacy to other
So the drone operator wasn't arrested and no charges were laid? Yet the DNR Officer threatened the drone operator with arrest if he didn't voluntarily surrender his drone? Sounds like strong arming and abuse of due process to avoid setting a president in court? I can understand authorities taking such steps while they figure it out (quickly), but DNR either needs to lay charges and go through the courts OR they need to admit that drone recovery isn't hunting, release a statement and policy AND then leave it alone.
Using the states argument Cell cams working in the dark are aiding in the hunt after hours. They should ban all trail cams then in Ohio. Change my mind..... Oh yeah. Bait Is bait not aiding in hunting after hours?
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Please help this man with as many lawyers as possible, stop these tyrants!
I also experienced an issue with a friend's son and our local warden. My buddies boy shot a trophy 11pt with his bow on the Saturday opener during the evening. They looked for his buck all day the next day on Sunday. The next day, on Monday, a neighbor found the buck laying just off her yard when she let her dog out first thing that morning.
She called the local warden who retrieved it. Later that day my buddy heard what happened from the neighbor so he called the warden up. The warden came by their house that afternoon to show them the deer. My buddies boy described it to a T and which shoulder he shot it in. It literally died within 100yds, only mere feet from where they previously searched.
Thinking the warden was going to allow him to tag it, the warden began lecturing him about practicing more and learning the anatomy of a deer to avoid the shoulder blade. When my buddy finally asked if his son could tag it, the warden told him, flat out, "no!" No excuse given, except they didn't find the deer.
There was no doubt it was his deer and what was taking place. The warden wanted the rack. It was a beautiful, thick trophy 11pt.
His son got the last laugh because three weeks later he shot an even bigger racked 13pt. and made sure the warden knew about it, thanking him for not allowing him to keep the first buck.
Unfortunately that warden will target them now.
Great Story of KARMA!! Congrats to the young man !! 😎
I would highly suggest you guys record your interactions with law enforcement at all times for proof and easier to win in court with the eye of the public helping bc of the proof. Happens everyday with people’s right being violated. Record everything no matter what. Keep up the great work guys. Wish I could fly here in NY to recover deer
Hi, just was wondering why we can't recover in N.Y ? did you already get a No from the D.E.C.
@@donaldvonlintig8445I’m wondering the same thing
All states will make it legal eventually after they figure out a way they can make their money off it. They'll make it where the hunter and the pilot has to buy some kind of recovery permit.
Which is fine. They should. They have to make restrictions from keeping every state from having 80 drones in one county
Lawyers lawyers lawyers, Sue for every day he is down without his drone.
kevin this is exactly what our last conversation was about in july when I was going to become a pilot with you guys. I bet it was the same warden who called me and told me that it was illegal and he would be watching and if he caught me I would be arrested and charged for hunting with an electronic device because they consider recovery as part of the hunt! I still want to become a pilot if we can change this issue in Pa. I had Clayton locate my buck in Ohio a few weeks ago that went onto the neighboring property. What a great guy, although it took him less than a minute to locate my buck he was more than willing to share a wealth of knowledge for when I become a DDR pilot if we can clear this issue in Pa.........
This is unreal. I’m pro law enforcement until it becomes an overreach. This is an overreach.
American law enforcement is universally out of control everywhere about everything. Iraq and Afghanistan combat vets returned to America full of jitters and itchy trigger fingers, viewing us not as citizens but as “civilians” who are potential threats with no constitutional rights. So our police everywhere are militarized and ready to go from talking to beating the snot out of someone in five seconds. It’s a problem
I feel like the game warden wanted a thermal drone for state use and his request was denied to purchase one. So he found an easy way to seize one. If for some reason you lose this case I would demand that the drone be destroyed to remove any suspicion that it was seized for state’s personal gain.
Someone needs to get @thecivilrightslawyer on this. He's owned GWs in the past.
I totally agree omg but then again it's a state employee they don't know most of there laws and they bend them to each situation this guy with his drone is doing nothing illegal at all .and of course the state employee wants the drone because the state can't buy them one.
It was all a power trip most of them let it go to there head
This honestly is the best explanation I can come up with truthfully
Those sorriest asses will do anything to get what they want.
As with most businesses, maybe this whole drone recovery thing needs to hire yourselves a lawyer just for these type situations. Because since it's happened already, there's bound to be more situations like this flowing down the pipe in the future. Stand tall though and stand proud, look forward to hear more about this situation and please keep us informed.
There are Drone Specific Lawyers available. They are usually aviation lawyers.
That's the problem with law enforcement. Too many tyrants. WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION
I’m SO GLAD you guys brought this up…. I’m a hunter in PA and this has always been something i was wondering about in PA. There are unfortunately some game wardens that are ruining the sport and there are less hunters every year. They need to all enforce the law the same and they cant say one thing and then go against it another time.
Crucial point !! Losing hunters every year and lots of Attacks n negative view of US hunters at times !! This appears like Power Trip or abuse of Power ! 😎
Thank you for bringing these discrepancies to light. Truly a valuable resource to use in a recovery effort!
Thermal drone recovery is the best thing I've ever seen, you guys are awesome. I'm in PA I was going to use you guys earlier in the year for a buck I shot. This is definitely over reach, they need to update their wording and allow this for recovery.
This is classic. People fear change. Sounds like this guy neds a lawyer to sue the DNR for theft.
And for an illegal stop, illegal detention, unlawful 4th Amendment search and seizure. There’s a lot of opportunity in this particular case to teach law enforcement some tough lessons about obeying the constitution. But you must use a competent attorney to do it.
The dnr doesn't control the pgc it and dcnr are two separate entities so suing the dcnr wouldn't hurt the pgc
Never agree to “give” law enforcement a item. They need a warrant or make them “steal” it.
Same in Kentucky, 10 different Wardens will give you 10 different answers, So if there is a Law written it has one answer not what ever they decide to do that day
I've lived here in PA all my life, and this state is so ridiculous. They don't want to do anything to help its citizens. I believe that the operator has a legal recourse.
Same in NH
I can tell you that here in Ohio that I shot a deer just before dark and waited an hour before planning to go to recover it. Hunting on my own land. I tried to call my local game Warden and was unable to reach him because it was after hours (????). So since we have a horrible problem with coyotes around here, we proceeded to get permission from our neighbors in writing to look for the deer. We did not find it. The following morning I called the state office of the DNR and they told me it was my responsibility to locate and recover the deer if at all possible, and I was within my rights to do so after legal hunting hours as long as we had permission to be on the land on which we were going to search.
This sounds like a bunch of BS coming out of the DNR in Pennsylvania. Trying to make an example out of this drone pilot.
Now this year, I just bought a new DJI thermal drone for the purpose of recovering fatally wounded deer for people. Studying right now to take my part 107 test, info on how to get proper waivers, info on health to work with public servants, etc.
Now I'm afraid to proceed in order to help anyone after hearing about this Sting in Pennsylvania. This cannot be correct. There must be the same rules across the board for everyone whether it's the hunter or someone trying to help the hunter like in this case. In my opinion they had no right to take the equipment or even approach this pilot. The liability form that was completed by the supposed hunter should have covered everything legally. This is quite an upsetting situation.
He's not telling you the whole story. And he knows it.
@@davefoyer3474 Yes that's how our game commission works here in Pa. They are against anything new like crossbows. They get reigned in sometimes by our state representatives. Most hunters that I talk to have bad stories about them, including myself.
@@stevenancykulp5884 I know what the laws are in PA, we own Tri-State Deer Tracking. We looked into the drones to utilize it as and additional tool for recovery, but we were shown the laws/rules and they also informed us that they would confiscate it, if caught. Therefore, we didn't invest. I've spoken to that joker in Ohio and he's not telling you the truth and the whole story. The law is clear and when it's changed, we will consider it. However, he charged 450 plus another 100 if found and mileage. We charged 150 and found 80 plus deer. Not many people are dropping 450 etc. For the average deer hunter.
I am illegal attorney in the state of Michigan and if that was in this state I would have that case thrown out of court no questions
I think it is happening in your state as well. If you are a truly an attorney in Michigan, perhaps you should elaborate a bit so that you could help any and all other people who might run into this situation.
You are an illegal attorney? Never heard of one.
I find it hard to believe you are an Attorney. Grammar is important.
@@stevenmiller7964 it would have been ironic funny if you said “I find it hard to believe “your” an attorney” 😂
CELL CAMERAS ARE AN ELECTRONIC DEVICE THAT NOTIFIES YOU IN REAL TIME (within seconds anyway) WHEN AND WHERE DEER ARE IN YOUR HUNNTING AREA! You can even tell which way they're headed and head to the right stand for an electronic assisted high-tech ambush. Unlike drones that need an operator to fly them and observe where the deer are, you can have cell cameras throughout your hunting area WHILE you're hunting that will tell you within seconds if the deer are in your area and headed your way. I don't know if cell cameras are legal in every state though. And what about cell phones that almost all of use while hunting and two-way radios that are also frequently used? Aren't they electronic devices used during the pursuit of deer? Just a thought.
Well the argument could surely be made that they are, I'm betting they will be outlawed in the future, I watched a Prominet TH-cam show last night, the guys says that they received this Deer's picture at 11 am, went to the location, spot n stalk hunt the buck and shoot him. - While I would have done the same thing, You don't have to tell all, this is the type of information the will use to outlaw cell cams.
Just opening flood gates, delete comment 😊 👍 👍 😊
But u are right in every way with what u said
Yea, I thought about it before I posted it, but it's pretty obvious how cell cameras can, and are, used. And I agree that I would use cell cameras if I could afford them. @@dougwallace2210
Yup my dad has got multiple bucks. Just from trail cam footage I shared with him.
As a fellow hunter I have a suspicious feeling that they leave the laws open ended to benefit everyone but hunter's
They should NOTbe allowed to seize property without giving you a game violation!
They should not be able to seize your drone period. That is personal property.
@@jeffreysexton720 no, if you are committing a crime, then they have the legal right to seize property connected to the act. But my point is they weren't doing anything illegal, so what's their justification for seizing the property?
This needs to be addressed with the state legislature. Calling random people in the game commission office probably won’t help. Contact your state representative. Make them discuss the issue and have it addressed in a law or ordinance.
I've found not all but most game wardens feel you arthane guilty of doing something wrong even when you didn't and they are going to try to make you guilty of something. Game wardens have the worst repore with the public than any other law enforcement agencies. I talked to a local warden who was a sergeant about a permanent senior license question I had about can I do this with this license or do I need a supplemental license and he told me I don't have a clue, the laws are so vague that we can't figure them out. Then how can they enforce them??🤔
Hey guys I love the channel and content and I believe that the drone recovery process is a valuable tool. I have been hunting for about 40 years and its everything to me, and my life revolves around it. I use any tool I can to help aid in finding, identifying age and target deer, as well as the most efficient weapon allowed. So I agree there is a place for drone recovery. The only sketchy thing I saw was on a video of a recovery there was a live deer found with the drone and it was a giant. After a few seconds it was realized that this live deer was way bigger than the deer that was being looked for. But the hunter was watching the video and I heard him say "Ooh where is that at". I cant remember if any detail was given to the hunter about its location but if it was or if he figured it out I am sure he was in a stand near that location the next hunt. My recommendation is that the hunter doesn't get to see the video feed or any discussion about the amount of live deer in the area while the search is on going. I understand at some point the hunter does need to evaluate whether or not it was their deer if it is still alive. Just my 2 cents.
With regard to using the drone outside of hunting hours. I rarely have had any interaction with CPO's mostly because I hunt on private property. However there was a time when I was coming back from hunting, it was after shooting hours and I didn't have on my orange hat, I did have one, it just wasn't on, it was hot out. I got a ticket and 9 points against me and my argument was, I cant legally hunt, and no one else can either so why do I have to have any orange on after hours? I took it to court, showed the judge the book of regulations which doesn't say orange has to be worn 24 7 during the 3 day season, showed him the time on the ticket and all the judge did was yell at the CPO for not giving me more tickets. I then filed a grievance against the CPO. I met with the Captain and Sargent, it was clear they were mainly there to try and trap me in some violation but I am as legal as they get. After about an hour of discussions, they of course did nothing to the CPO but to my amazement the next year, the regulations book had many revisions made based on that discussion, and cleared up a lot of unknowns and undocumented rules.
4th Amendment should prevent that seizure without charges. It seems unreasonable to me to seize a $10k+ piece of equipment without a warrant to take it or unless a felony level crime is being investigated and if that was the case it would surely involve an arrest. This will only be resolved in the Courts or the Legislature.
Do they want you to look for a wounded animal, loose the blood trail and say "oh well" then continue hunting and take another animal, now you've killed over the limit and one was totally wasted. Is that what they want?
I think the warden was on a power trip. The drone pilot should take this to court
Dog handlers have the same issues. Grey areas are best approached with directions from your local officer. Work with him, involve him, and follow his instruction. Grey areas are up to his discretion. If you make him feel challenged, you won’t win.
How about trail cameras? Are they legal? Very interesting to find out because the law reads the same here in Georgia about using electronic devices. They are illegal to use to hunt.
Wisconsin stare journal actually advertises the use of thermo drones. And lists who to contact.
As a Pa resident I can sadly say that it is In fact unclear and left up
For interpretation by the warden/ an individuals opinion or own interpretation. The Laws & Hunting Regs are outdated, unpopular, confusing, and down right dumb. The State needs to do a better job of updating and defining the statutes and regulations. We are allowed to hunt some Sundays. But not all.. It’s ridiculous and absurd the confusion and lack of explanation or accountability to make the changes needed. It is about time we stand together and hold them accountable to make the necessary changes. I hope you find
representation and bring the fight to them! I can say many of us Pa residents are with you. It’s time to make the necessary changes to sustain our wild life and keep the integrity of the sport going for future generations to come!
God speed guys!
When I tried this on Rhode Island the chief of enforcement loved the idea and some biologist just said no ! Lawyer wants 2k to even send a letter to RI DEM. This year on FB there’s guys offering thermal recovery. So much for trying to do the right thing.
All I can say is get a lawyer and better have money. It can takes years to get drone back, I’m 55 and I’ve been down this road before so I honestly know what is gonna happen already. So like I said, LAWYER, MONEY, FOYA on phones, both Game Warden and person who called him.!! I’m German, Stubborn and I have had many encounters with game commissioners since I was 12-13 years old. They’re 90-95% bullies with a badge. Protest this publicly and TV wise if you can and get it out there, I’m saying this to the guy who had his drone stolen…!!!!! But EVERYTHING I’m telling ya you gotta do and what’s gonna happen. So if you don’t take my advice then it’s on you is all I can say. I’m behind ya 💯 %. You wanna protest and get it out there, then I’m down for it.!!!! But like I said in beginning, LAWYER, MONEY, FOYA and TIME.!! Good luck and lmk if there’s anything I can help you out with this.!!! 👍✌️
I am a recreational flyer and I live in a rural area in NW Pa. 95% of my flights are out of my yard. An incident occurred on September 3, 2023 and the PA State police now have my Air 2S. I was filming a hyper lapse video of the sunset when I received a critical battery error (my own stupidity) and the drone made an emergency landing about 400 meters from home. I could see that it had landed on a neighbors property and waited until the next morning to go there and ask permission to search. When I did they told me that they had found it and called the police who came and took the drone. I was happy to hear that it was found and figured that all I needed to do was call, explain what happened, and go retrieve it from them. I made that call on September 4 and was told that the officer involved would have to call me back. I waited a few days without hearing a word then he finally contacted me. He informed me that I wouldn't be getting the drone back soon if at all because there had been other complaints, about drone flyers in my neighborhood. I explained that I could easily prove that there was no malicious intent on my part by showing him the flight logs. I also told him that everything I filmed would be on the memory card in the drone and, if he removed the battery, he would find a sticker with my name, address and phone number on it. He didn't want to hear that though and was very arrogant and downright rude when he told me that he was gathering everyone in the area who had complained and they were taking me to court. When I inquired about a timeline he said that he couldn't even start the 'investigation' until he gets off of 3rd shift. Its been a month and he still has not started the investigation. Since then I've done some research and found that civil forfeiture laws exist that allow them to keep property indefinitely even if there is never an arrest.
UPDATE
I received a call from Trooper Lewis of the PSP today (12/10/23) and he informed me that he would be filing 'unlawful use of an unmanned aircraft ' and also 'disorderly conduct ' charges against me. The disorderly conduct charge really blows my mind. When I asked him about it he said it was because 2 other officers had visited me with warnings. Those officers never issued any warning either written or verbal. Unfortunately with my wife battling breast cancer and heart problems and with both of us being retired on a fixed income the money won't be there to hire a lawyer and fight this and my income will keep me from getting legal assistance.
I would definitely go to court if they try to go through with it and request to review the footage from the drone. If footage is "lost" then there's no proof of a malicious act and if the sunset footage you say is there then when that is seen it court the judge will probably laugh and dismiss it
Yeah I'll fight this best I can on my own. Its just so wrong that it's almost unbelievable. I gotta say though this experience has soured my respect for law enforcement big time.
Haven't been served yet but those charges were filed on 12/14. I used an App called PaEdocket to look up my own name and discovered it. Pre-lim hearing is 1/29/24
The charges were filed on 12/14 and they are 4 counts of 'unlawful use of an unmanned aircraft - conduct surveillance' and 1 count of 'disorderly conduct/physi off'. Fingerprints have also been ordered. The offense date is listed as 7/14/23 so it looks like there aren't any charges for the flight om 9/3 when they took my Air 2s. I checked my remote and on 7/14 I made 6 flights using 2 of my drones. None of those flights were near any structures. The 2 drones that I flew on 7/14/23 were the DJI Mini 2 and Mini 3 Pro. I registered both of these drones with the FAA even though it is not required because both are under 250 mg's in weight. They are considered toys. I am being charged with conducting surveillance with a toy. The disorderly conduct charge with physical violence really stuns me as there was never a confrontation of any sort. The arresting officer, PSP trooper Andrew J. Lewis 13714, never even came to my house. All my interactions with him were over the phone.
@@jackkesler5586 it landed on someone else's property case closed and to be honest I'm surprised trespassing charges weren't added to it also.
The 4th Amendment seems to not apply to game wardens. They can search your private property whenever they want without probable cause, warrant, etc. Not surprised they're also siezing property without violation.
They finally changed the law in Tennessee, game warden needs a warrant to go on private property
Oklahoma they can come on private property if they "suspect" a crime is being committed. Otherwise, they have to have permission like anyone else.
@toddchester5966 Same as OH...no evidence, no probable cause, no warrant, just suspicion.
@@toddchester5966 it's call Exigent Circumstances where any LEO can enter private property without consent or a warrant. For example your house is on fire and a person is trapped inside the LEO can enter to try to rescue the person or a burglary is happening in a private business and the perps are inside. LEO's can enter to attempt to end the incident.
Just started watching your youtube channel sounds good right now
Whether people are for or against using drones for recovering game, it is apparent this is becoming a more common thing. State agencies need to make it clear whether or not it is legal to use drones specifically for this purpose.
AMEN ! Complicated Topic n Issue .. needs resolved and possible law or policy changes !! 😎
One of your guys listed on the Deer Drone Recovery website just got his drone seized in North Louisiana from the State Game and Fish. He helped find the deer but because he was there and searched for the deer after so many hours and it was still alive but badly injured the Game and Fish didn’t care and now he has to go to court over it. Now he doesn’t know if he will get his Drone back
The tyrants have had control for a while now. I used to support the blue and still do in a means. But they are all dirty and all made to do dirty stuff. Makes them all Gestapo taking orders from a tyrant and most of them. Couldn't recite the bill of rights. Probably don't even know that it's the 1st 10 amendments. That's how screwed this nation has become.
Doesn't the constitution have a clause that prohibits illegal seizures!
Another thing that might help besides signing the waiver would to not let land owner/hunter be involved in watching the monitor. Only give him the results of what you find. This kinda kills the moment but would be crucial in any allegations of hunting the deer.
If the deer is not dead location information can not be given. The hunter would not be any better off from you coming unless you find his dead deer.
Bottom line is ,we all know everything can be done in a unlawful manner but try to show as much as possible that this only for recovery!! And I dont think there is any more possibilities toward that other what was mentioned.
Everyone involved was happy enjoying themselves… therefore must be shut down and regulated until some taxation can be formulated 1 in 7 work for. Government add in non profits and we’re almost out numbered
That's because the wardens are out for state revenue period. I dare someone to say I'm wrong because I went to college for this lol my major was parks and rec to become a warden and on my 3rd year is when I learnt the true purpose of DNR's, wardens and conservation agents 😅 and thats when I had a hard look at what I was getting into. I held good grades and could have got my bachelor's for it with ease. Even aced my botany classes but when I found this out and thought hard for a few weeks I decided to drop the major. I went in because I have a love and care for wildlife and the hunting aspect of wildlife. As soon as I found out it was ONLY about state revenue, my heart sank 💔
Wish you the very best from the bottom of my heart! Stay strong!
I really hope DDR steps up and helps this operator. Judging by the decal on the case this guy is a licensee.
As a resident of Pa and hunter. I’ve had permission to search for deer on a Sunday. Also had permission to look for one the Sunday after the rifle season was closed . Just obviously wasn’t allowed to carry a weapon. Then had to follow up with a checkup if we had recovered the animal.
Every state is different. Is there not research being done before listing drone pilots so they are not sitting ducks for the game wardens?!? Just a question.
Legal in Illinois to track wounded deer with a dog on a leash any time of the day. Illinois has declared drones illegal to use in any manner to aid in scouting, recovery, or any use pertaining to deer.
Probably a fear with game wardens of folks using thermal drones to locate, not dead deer, but live big bucks on the hoof instead of using game cams. I figure laws are being discussed even now.
Then deal with them accordingly, Just like every other poacher out there. Please don't be naive in thinking that just because drones get grounded that poachers won't find other avenues to shoot big bucks. They've been doing it for decades.
Punishing the majority of ethical hunters and restricting them from using this technology to recover their deer.... is silly.
It is called civil asset forfiture. You might want to call the ACLJ as they are litigating other forfiture cases regarding this.
I live and hunt in PA the game commission is corrupt. There are a few decent game wardens but a lot have a huge chip on their shoulders!
Wardens are the biggest pains in the ass when it comes to hunting in today's world.
Here is another. How is legal to use a tracking dog to find a dead deer. But can't use the dogs to hunt.
Finding a dead deer is a lot different than hunting an alive deer
@deerhunter1447 true but they consider the drone part of the hunt.its the same concept. Using a dog or drone to find a dead deer.
A lot of states allow hunting with dogs.
@royguidry1311 10 states allow it, Im make reference to the other 38 lower states. The one where he is in.
We can't use dogs to hunt.............here but tons of people use them to recover there game. To me it shouldnt be legal either way. Cause what happens if you jump and shoot said animal the dog finds wounded? Very grey area in that matter.
Maybe each state needs a drone recovery license where you have a permit to recover a deer
Here’s the real deal, if you want too know what is going ?
They know you can personally locate every deer in the woods on your personal time, so they don’t want anyone having a personal drone that has that capability.
Could it be a setup just to acquire the very expensive drone. Did he get names of the wardens to check if they are real wardens.
In Michigan the DNR has more authority, as far as know then any other state authority giving them the ability 2 do whatever they want without a warrant!
I think you’ll discover that the PGC has broad authority to search, seize cite and arrest. I don’t agree with all the power they’ve been given but until we change it, it’s reality.
NY in the last few days passed legislation to make drone deer recovery illegal. Saying that traditional tracking is part of the hunt. The way they say it is that hunting is a primitive sport and that having drones recover your deer allows for hunters to get sloppy and it's not what is traditionally done. I feel for you guys and the business your trying to do but in some means I do see where they are coming from. Good luck guys Im routing for you!
You can’t hunt with aircraft NY and haven’t been to for a long time and drone are aircraft are defined as aircraft by the FAA
They are hopefully going to be rewriting the law in NY. I’ve spoken to a few DEC officers and some will ticket, some won’t. They have specifically told me that by next year we should be ok. I personally think it’s a crock of s$&t. If I don’t recover my deer and he is dead, now I’m using my tag on another buck essentially killing two possibly 3,4,5 deer when I could have recovered the first deer and tagged it.
@@georgesteele4939hunting is defined as??? Flying an aircraft to look for a dead deer is not hunting. The hunt has already taken place.
Keep drones out of NYS. Tracking a wounded animal is as much a part of hunting as pulling the trigger.
I live in Pa & thought about doing this. . . IDK now this is crazy. I will be calling and letting other hunters know as well.
please levelize volume of audio tracks, i'm having to turn up/down volume every time the other starts speaking. also both audio tracks should play in both ears. thanks
I live in southern Maryland and we are allowed to hunt almost every Sunday during the season on private land not on public land. I didn’t even know that drones were even a thing for recovery of a carcass. You’ve got me interested in the game laws in Maryland now.
I just looked it up apparently there’s only 3 states that have no written laws about recovering a deer carcass with a drone and Maryland is 1 of the 3 states the other 2 states are Delaware and Kentucky
Most states are jumping on board with hard banning the use of drones. Really sucks for all of us pilots who wanted to be a part of this.
Pa wardens are interesting. I’m from Pa and like to pick their brains from time to time about various topics and scenarios.
Long story short , every Warden has a different personality and police differently. There’s a lot of gray areas in the law book and that’s by design.
I REALLY hope drones get passed this year 🤞🏻
As long as he has everything documented even recorded video of the transaction he should be able to crush them in court also sounds like to me they may have just wanted his drone for there department. In ohio as long as you have written permission from la d owners you can get your deer I've done it a few times with out game wardens help
I spoke with our game warden in Kentucky directly at the Hunter education course and he said as long as we meet all the requirements to flight correctly by the FCC and have a pilot's license if we're making money he has no problem with it!
I hate adding more bureaucracy to our already bloated government entities, but perhaps states should have a recovery certificate program that certifies and licenses recovery operators, and with that certificate/license, pilots can carry on with recovery w/o the worry of being harassment.
So many problems with this seizure, a contract was made prior to using the drone that it was for recovery only, no firearm was permitted in recovery. It would be perfectly legal to search with a flashlight or a dog, but not hunt with either. This is government overreach and picking and choosing what is allowed and not following the law. I can’t see any legal standing the warden has. This is power trip that law abiding people should not stand for.
In North Dakota there is specific regulations that say in no way can you use a drone
PA game laws have changed, and they do allow Sunday hunting from archery all the way to rifle season. The game wardens are probably gonna give the drone back but they wanted to take him off the streets as the end of the season was Saturday and they didn’t want him to find any more deer that’s my. Take.
Welcome to Pennsylvania! This is why I quit hunting years ago!
Take them to court !!! Find out what the actual law is. Take the power trip away and get the drone back.
Sounds like Game and Fish wanted a 20,000 dollar drone without paying for it
and the drone operators are doing it for love? No, money talks....both ways
Exactly! Plunder is much easier than profit. State agencies never have to show a profit so they get real good at plunder. TSA,IRS,DEA,FBI,CIA,BLM . All of them! PGC as well. Millions of dollars annually from gas leases and timber sales and licensing fees and yet it’s never enough! That pilot should have told that deputy ,arrest me ,go buy your own f#*@#& drone ,I’m done here!
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That’s how these agencies are. They need to justify their existence!
Blow their budget all the time spending that addictive OPM!
Other people’s money!
Where and when in PA?
Recovery is absolutely part of the hunt! Saying that its not is a ridiculous statement.
In addition, I believe the use of drones to assist hunting is a slippery slope most hunters don't want to see the sport venture down.
I will be honest here in Indiana you guys are getting ready to have the same thing happen as PA and IA .Some of the COs are not on board I have heard it stated more than once . Don't be shocked when it happens here .
I’m about ready to quit hurting in Pennsylvania our deer numbers are lower than they have ever been I live in Mercer county and have hunted 4 days and have only seen 3 deer I believe it’s because too many anterless license issued when I was younger we use to see 30 or more a day it’s like the deer herd has disappeared. What county has this happened in
Totally agree with you. I also live 8 miles from Mercer and I’ve been hunting for over 40 years now, born and raised in same location near gameland. And it’s like you said. Back when I was young it was ONLY 3 day doe hunt. Now there’s so many different tags and others overlapping other hunts. I really think they’re just out for money on everything . Between pheasant, elk, it’s ridiculous is all I gotta say. Idk 🤷♂️, But what I do know is I don’t put up with bullies, and it’s 50/50 with game wardens and believe me I have a wright to say it because I’ve been through it with them and probably could of built a house from fines with them. All I can say with these guys is fight it and don’t back down,.!!! Well enough BS, take care Dave and I’m with ya on what you said .! Good luck hunting, we got 2 more days of rifle and yesterday I must of had 30 Amish in gameland beside my stand pushing and sad because I had little bucks coming up to my area shot and wounded. Alright enough, Ttyl8 👍✌️
Game wardens can place cameras on private property with warrants. If you yake it down, you can face charges. They seem to have more leeway in laws than regular law enforcement.
That is what I hear all time that they have more power than PSP !!
I'm still working on Illinois, but until we get a different director, I'd say it's a hard No! Hopefully one day we'll succeed.
Hey guys just saw this video. As a former police officer, and a former Marine. I am appalled that they did this! This is a violation of your 4th Amendment rights for illegal search and seizures. I didn’t sacrifice and fight for this country so idiots like this could violate your freedoms. I live in Colorado Springs and understand that game wardens can take equipment used in an illegal hunt but usually a Heavy citation and fine accompanies this action. To not issue you a fine or citation and to just take your equipment without cause or a warrant is crazy! GET A LAWYER and sue them! They violated your constitutional rights . I would if I were you. Enough of that rant. I love your videos and have been flying RC for a few years and recently switched to drones. Currently studying for my part 107 and thinking about how to grow my own business when I retire from working on helicopters. I also hold an A&P license. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I also noticed there is no one in Colorado offering your services yet. Hope you get your drone back with a large settlement for the violation of your rights.
In alberta Canada private landowners can refuse you to recover your animals. Even if it dead. The land9wner can claim it for himself
This is Civil Ass. Forfeiture....especially in the game warden side of enforcement, a drone of this type has to be on their wish list, even when they have drones already.
Your waiver document is Pretty Clear n straightforward language to cover yourself !! Sounds like your guy needs counsel !! You guys were set up .. this is obvious Government over reach !! I live in Pennsylvania n alot of wardens feel they can do what they want .. Owner of drone NEEDS to fight this if you guys have ANY desire to continue this business !! 😎 Best of Luck .. of course you can search at night without weapons or find a deer on Sunday ! We are losing tons of hunters young kids don't go outside let alone hunt .. It's a Power Trip !!
I live in PA. I talked to different game wardens, and it's up to that specific game warden. As far as recovering a deer on Sunday is allowed. They will come out if it's on private property and finish it off if it is fatally wounded. Deer has to not want to get up . The old thermo handheld device to recover deer is not allowed.
I can see how a farmer would rather pinpoint the deer 📌🦌 evaluate the deer and make proper decisions. Instead of wading through looking for signs of blood damaging crop or pushing the animal onto other property
You need lawyers. Wardens are the one state agency with the most free will and freedom to do as they see fit.
Is there any footage of all that occurred?
So technically, flying a drone (thermal or not) at any time of day or at any location could be construed as using an electronic device to hunt deer ? How can a warden know if someone is a non hunter simply taking images of beautiful fall foliage, sunsets, etc. etc. ? Seems like game wardens have the leeway to confiscate ANYONES’S drone. This should be fought all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.
Agree 100% government overreach
They confiscated one of the DDR guy’s drone in North Louisiana for helping to find a wounded deer and now there is no telling when he will get his back.
Counterpoint: these guys are also showing their clients not only how many deer are around, but also their locations and other bucks. It would be very easy for these clients to ambush a drone spotted bedded buck after the recovery team leaves.
@@knotengajin7359 Cellular game cameras on a corn pile do practically the same thing. Only from a different perspective.
@@ellobo1326 Nope, fairly limited view and trigger range, not mobile, can’t see through brush like the IR drone. Also, old bucks get that way by being wary of corn piles, etc but the drone don’t care.
In Illinois it would be up to the state's attorney to follow the charges or drop them
Get a lawyer!!! Absolutely ridiculous!! I hope you get your drone back!
It is a violation under the 14th Amendment!
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Like if your going out of state to buy an old car and have cash to buy to over 10 thousand dollars they pull you over and find out you have cash they take it and say it's drug money even if you have never been caught with drugs they take it and you have to fight like crazy to get it returned
ok. i think this is what the warden was doing to make their job more black and white. You had an officer that had the balls to set up a sting to get something in court so that words in the book will make his job easier, and not have to ask 100 questions to make sure it was legal.
In NY if you try and use a Drone you stand a chance of going to jail for up to a year, its a Misdemeanor Crime.
Just had my drone taken Saturday night in Illinois. Sad day.
He needs to get a good lawyer. Hopefully get is drone back and some money!
They just recently ran a drone over our property searching for one on the next so they have to find it on the property.so itf the deer on are ptoberty they need to see us to retrieve but they walk wright on in so there is a problem with your system of retrieving woth a drone noise and lakof privacy to other
So the drone operator wasn't arrested and no charges were laid? Yet the DNR Officer threatened the drone operator with arrest if he didn't voluntarily surrender his drone? Sounds like strong arming and abuse of due process to avoid setting a president in court? I can understand authorities taking such steps while they figure it out (quickly), but DNR either needs to lay charges and go through the courts OR they need to admit that drone recovery isn't hunting, release a statement and policy AND then leave it alone.
In Michigan you can't use a drone to recover a deer. But you used a tracking dog.
I hope they have a decent judge in that county. Better get a real good lawyer
Using the states argument
Cell cams working in the dark are aiding in the hunt after hours.
They should ban all trail cams then in Ohio.
Change my mind.....
Oh yeah.
Bait
Is bait not aiding in hunting after hours?