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- After many requests to discuss the .220 Swift, Ryan Muckenhirn joins Jimmy and Mark to do a 10(ish) minute dive into the cartridge, its history and application. As always - it is phenomenally interesting not only to learn about the cartridge but to get a peep into the cartridge encyclopedia that is Ryan’s brain.
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Imagine a world where the 220 Swift was still popular and factory ammo was easy to find.
please god make that happen
That would be too perfect.. the federal premium 40gr Noseler ammo I have says 4250fps out if factory ammo.. it went through 1/4 AR500 steele.. I shit it out of my ruger M77 w bull barrel, ya I know bull barrel doesn't make the difference lol.. but I k ow that the swift is crazy fast and can dump crazy amounts of hydrostatic energy and agree that it is a good small/medium game cartridge..
@@NateA80 ive seen 2 elk dropped by a guide with a behind the neck/ head placement at 60 yards and one at 95 yards both dropped instantly he doesnt recomend it onless you have very good shot placement he usually carries a 375 ruger an has taken game at 630 with the ruger
"You shoot ground squirrels pinky up" I'm steeling that line!!! LMAO
The old .220 Swift is still a damn good round. It will beat the 22-250 hands down for velocity and is no slouch in the accuracy department either. When it comes to coyotes at long range it is my go to round.
Absolutely correct, I've shot my swift with several 250s side by side with same loads, hands down the swift was over 100 feet persecond faster.
They are the same velocitys
Norma makes 220 swift brass so they are saying that the 22-250 holds more pressure is a false statement. I have been around the 220 swift for over 30 years. 220 swift rocks.
Ryan's overview of a cartridge is great. He is able to hit the high points of a topic and present the information easily and understandable. Thanks. I enjoy all the hard work everyone does on the Podcasts.
Grosvenor Wotkyns is the man who invented the 220 Swift.
I love these cartridge talks. Would love to hear about the 244/6mm Remington.
As a teenager in the hills of Western Va. my favorite short range woodchuck plugger was a .22 Hornet.
I then bought my brothers 220 Swift. My best summer time hayfield record stands at 89 pigs.
It's the gun I loved so much I got my Uncle, who used a 22-250, to teach me the art of reloading.
I got all the tools and gadgets, except a chrono, and spent endless hours with the Horndy Bible making and testing hundreds of custom loads. My best kill was a head shot on a hog at 420yds, using a fence post as a rest. I thought I had missed until the next day when I checked the hole he was standing in.
Alot of people claim its not good for big game. Were most those pigs one shot kills? And how fast did they drop? Ive been instrested in the 220 swift for awhile. Seems like a niche gun with alot of good qualitys.
@@robertbogan225 , for medium and small game it can not be beat. For game over 100lbs it is ill advised.
Most states dont allow bigger game with sub-.23 calibers. It can take white tail deer but would require EXPERT shot placement.
As to one shot, one kill? Indeed, the high velocity round rarely made an exit wound at over 100yds. At less than 100yds, it rarely left any ground hog to identify.
Excellent
Robert Bogan If you read the history of the cartridge, it was marketed for large game, even bears!
I love how a lot of people try to compare the 243 with the 22/250-220 swift completely different animal like comparing cheese and chalk
Still can compare anything thats the greatness of comparing a 243 or 240 weather by does slap it but for canada where you need a certain caliber to hunt year round i take my custom 220 swift with a fast twist rate
Not that different. I can load a 50 grain bullet in a 22-250 to almost 4000 FPS, and I can do it with a 243. Little varmint bullets so BC and Ranger aren’t really an issue, just something you can do if you have 1 and not the other.
Gosh, young guys with this much knowledge is impressive. This is old guy wisdom.
I would enjoy hearing Ryan’s opinion on the .257 Roberts .
It was great back in the day but, now with the 6 & 6.5 Creedmoor, whats the point?
@@58harwood its till viable and fun plus why not have both.
Christopher Trimble......if you already own one, sure, by all means have at it. It’s just not one caliber I’d run out and purchase now! It’s more popular days are behind it. IMO 😁
The 257 rob is one of the best of all time when loaded right. I can shoot one hole groups a 100 repeddly
@@58harwood 25-06 beats any 6 and 6.5 fyi
such a sweet caliber. definitely a round that a lot of people aren't running nowadays. but my dad has a first issue rem 700 220 swift and I must get my hands on it someday! just a wonderful piece.
I can verify a neck / head shot with .220 Swift on Texas dear. It's all I've ever used. Drops them dead in their tracks. Deer doesn't feel a thing. Very ethical round.
I agree!! I personally use the 22-250 for the exact same thing and reason you use your Swift. The 22-250 Federal Nosler Partition drive straight through ever single deer and pig here in south Texas I have shot with it. Puts nice little holes straight through every single time.
@@bobneal790 .22-250 much cheaper and more widely available round than the .220 Swift, whether commercial or reloaded, cartridge or components. Good deal, man. I love my 77R, so I'll keep my Swift. If the time ever comes to need barrel replacement then I'll go with a .22-250. Cheers!
I’ve found here in Australia the 22/250 on pigs performs poorly when it’s dry and they are caked in dry mud the 243 will punch on through lol same goes for the 25,27and 30 caliber projectiles but the 250 will splatter or give poor penetration I’ve put 7 rounds into the chest area of a big pig covered in mud before he got 50 yards away and dropped
@@spannaspinna Pigs and deer are apples and oranges. I wouldn't try any. 22 caliber round on pigs when I have better alternatives, whereas just about any and every .22 will work on deer.
JustMe if you’re 20 ks from the house and that’s all you have with you
I'm always amazed that gun guys don't know about the swift. Ive had one since I was 13 and I'm 42 now. You guys should do another one unheard of caliber that I own, the 218 bee
Bee is a very sweet little round. I love them in the model 43s
@@edoellien239 43 is a Winchester bolt correct? I have a marlin 1893 lever. It's my least used rifle but probably my favorite.
young men i just love your talking on rifle calibers👍
Thank you very much!
Please keep talking cartridges guys. I love these.
Thank you - will do :)
My father had a Winchester 220 swift when he was in his early 20s, I purchased a Ruger M 77, 26" bull barre, l put a I think Timnoy trigger in it, It was hell packing back to the pickup, with a couple of coyotes, when I was in my early 20s, I was calling coyotes on the eastern plains of Colorado. I have shot coyotes at 400 plus yards, it could completely destroy destroy pelts sometimes. If you hit a shoulder blade or hip. But if you hit one, you always found him!! Thanks very much enjoy listening to you to you guys. Don't stop, I also had a Winchester 25-20 great 100 yard coyote gun.
I have shot ground hogs a 400+ yrds with my swift.and thats a sporter barrel .My hunting buddy couldn't believe it hehe.
458 socom, please. Love these ten minute talk videos.
I have been an avid 220 Swift shooter since the late 1970's and it is still my "go to" varmint rifle when I open the safe to head out to the country. I own 22 WMR, 17 Rem, 222, 223, 243 and they all have their place but the 220 Swift is still the King! After reloading many, many different bullet types over all those years, my favorite is the Sierra 55 gr (#1390). No exit holes on coyotes hitting them center mass. I also load the Barnes 36 gr Varmint Grenade and have it chronographed right at 4500 fps. It is also very accurate but is heavily affected by wind so during the windy winter months where I live it unfortunately does not see a lot of action, which is too bad because it also does not produce any fur damage when hit center mass on coyotes.
I like sierra 40gn.hp for winter hunting coyote and crows
Hey gentlemen, this is without question one of my favorite cartridges. Any chance we could do an updated video? Would really love to see the .220 swift brought back with some life.
I wish I had all these guns in the myriad of chamberings they talk about. Love these cartridge talks!
Love hearing these discussions about different cartridges! Would love it even more if we could hear some 300RUM talk! 9ver all love the vids. Thanks!🤙
300 wby mag beats it
Thanks for sharing that historical knowledge, I really enjoyed this video!
Grandpa used a 220 swift in a Winchester Model 70 heavy barrel to take many California whitetail with a neck shot. I remember trying to carry that thing as a ten year old. Shot great but never walked very far.
Neck shooting deer with a small fast round is about as old school cool as it gets.
I live in West Nebraska and the terrain is wide open prairie so a 250 yard shot is pretty average hunting coyotes. I have a swift and I don't hold over until about 320 yards and I only hold up about 2 inches. I chose the swift over the 22-250 because it has better energy at those long ranges.
That last 4 minutes was the best part of the whole podcast
Great talk! Surprisingly I’ve read of hunters in Canada and Alaska that have killed moose and even grizzly with the 220 Swift. Not in recent times, but back in the 50’s and 60’s.
Exellent no silly range suggestions this time.
Do a talk on the 264 win mag great caliber in my opinion.
One of my favorites!!!
284 rem mag was ahead of its time. Couple years ago I went through American rifleman magazines from the 50’s and 60’s. It’s amazing to me what had been done by then. There’s been three different.222’s. One of them became the .223. Weatherbys.224,240 have fascinated me a bit. 25-06 is my favorite then a .270win. Wish bullets could be found for the .243 super short mag. Awesome cartridge. Surprised also by .243 being so much more popular than.244./6mm Remington.
If you guys are looking for suggestions I would say the few that were mentioned at the end, like the 7.62x39 and 6.5 Grendel would be cool to hear about
The end of this 10 minute talk was the start of the 6.5 Bitch Cat.
257 roberts, newton cartridges, and a talk on P O Akley, Whelen cartridges, and some speaking about Elmer keith
I love my swift, Frank Glaser lived in Alaska from 1915 to 1950, Frank said his swift with a 49 grain PSP would kill everything in Alaska faster except the bears then any rifle he had. The book is called Alaska's Wolf man. I have my Swift AI improved and it is awesome.
I love the 220 Swift, it is an amazing cartridge and was taking large game with 48 gr soft point lead cup and core bullets, with todays modern all copper bullets, Nosler Partitions, Swift A-Frames, etc even larger game could be ethically harvested. I am researching building a 22-284 for added case capacity to push 78 gr 0.224" Barnes LRX over 3,500 fps and lighter Barnes 50-55 gr at 4,000-4,100 fps
developed in 1934-35 by Grosvenor Wotkyns but based on the .250/3000 savage case. Winchester developed the .220 Swift in 1935 based o the 6mm Lee Navy in the model 54 and came out with the model 70 in 1936 in the .220 Swift. My deceased father inlaw had a 1937 Model 70 in .220 Swift with a nickle steel barrel and a20x Unertl scope. The only rifle I have never been able to procure that I have wanted since 1970
257 Roberts, please.
Let’s hear about the 6.5 Grendel! Or the 6.8 SPC II.
no. we need the 6.5 swede
Would love to hear a review on a .22 hornet. Love mine.
I have had awesome results using the TSX for coyotes, antelope, and whitetail.
Broke my heart sayin that about the 29gr bullet as I’ve had the same quest in mind awhile …5000fps….its been done and Ron spomer has a good vid showin what kind of penetration that much speed gets….mind boggling
Well done. I just a cquired a model 70 barrel in 220 wilson arrow which is a variation of the swift cartridge. IM trying to have a rifle built around it. We shall see!
Just so we understand the original 220 swift design team ( Grosvenor Wotkyns) wanted the 250-3000 case, but the head of winchester insisted on the 6mm Lee case. The original 220 swift barrels had problems until Winchester added nickle to their barrels barrels making them resistant to the heat, at the same time bullets became better with the jacket material reducing copper fouling. Most shooters today don't worry about barrels but dedicated prairie dog shooters can burn a barrel up in one 3 or 4 day hunt. This is the reason we have barrel makers and gunsmiths! A good swift barrel or 22-250 will last most people 2000 round or more, but a dedicated P dog shooter is looking at 1500 rounds max in barrel life, just like our short range guns in .223,.222 lasting maybe 3000 rounds.
Just what I needed
I wish u could mention one I dont believe u know. But I'm sure u do because u know alot more than I do. It's the 6.5 Thor. It a 280 ai necked down to 6.5. My gunsmith makes them. Really cool. Always love the 6.506 line
I recently acquired a pre 64 Win. model 70 chambered in 220 Swift as well as a pre 64 Win. model 43 chambered in 218 Bee. Some oldies but goodies. Luckily have some live rounds and brass. Good luck even finding brass for 218 Bee. You can neck down 25-20, also hard to come buy. Also have some 25-20 brass:)
I bought my 218 Bee cases from montana black powder shooters supply
You need to do a 22 Hornet episode sometime
We'll add it to the list - thanks!
@@VortexNation Thank you!!!
He forgot to mention that the 220 Swift was 1,400 fps faster than the fastest 22 caliber at the time. A long neck on cases provides extra support for longer higher BC bullets and for shorter bullets they do not intrude into the case at all.
A lot of people do not realize how deadly the 220 Swift was(is) on big game. There was a market hunter in Alaska named Frank Glaser who was killing big game animals to feed the US military and road building crews in Alaska around the 1930's. Glaser was killing moose, Caribou, sheep, and even several Grizzly Bears, although he admits the 220 Swift is not ideal for big bears. Now you have to remember bullet technology was not what it is today, the factory load was 48 grain soft point cup and core bullets. One thing that has changed is that ammo companies were not afraid to load the Swift to its full potential of well over 4,000 fps. Ammo companies today are too worried about lawsuits so we get pud loaded cartridges. There was also a National Park Service ranger that was hired in New Mexico or Arizona to cull wild burros, his rifle of choice the 220 Swift. These burros weighed up to 600 lbs. Just think what a 220 Swift would do today with tough Barnes all copper bullets LRX, TTSX, TSX, other mono-metal bullets like the Hornady GMX or Federal Trophy Copper, or even the older Nosler Partitions, Swift A-frames. The 220 Swift, 22-250, and also larger centerfire cartridges like the 22-284 have the velocity and energy with properly constructed tough bullets and faster barrel twist rates to take down large deer, black bear, Caribou, moose, and even Elk within reasonable hunting distances and most importantly when the hunter does their job and places that bullet in the heart, lungs, liver, or kidneys of the animal. A 0.224" bullet or a 0.308" bullet expanding and causing a massive pressure wave, ripping tissues and arteries apart as it passes through an Elks heart is going to kill exactly the same.
Another awesome forgotten round is the 218 bee I never heard of it till maybe 3 years ago I got to shoot one and man it was awesome
I have a marlin lever action 218 bee. I've never seen any other brand or action. What do you have if you don't mind telling me?
I had a 218 Bee in the savage model 219 single shot ,wished I'd never sold her.
Love these
338-06 plz
Like the video... alot. Good info.
🤜🤛
Everyone collects something. I collect cartridges. I like how these guys enjoy discovering the history.
My Dad left me 2 Remington 40x varmint rifles. one in 6mm rem from 1970 and one in 220swift made in the late 90s. The case dimensions are quite similar, funny since the swift came from a different 6mm, and the 6mm remington from the 7×57.
the swift from the Lee navy cartridge I'm thinking I read somewhere ?
I would definitely like to hear y’all’s talk on the .222 rem.
Growing up in Nebraska, I love my 220 Swift and 17 Remington. With everybody talking 6.5’s, would love to hear your thoughts on the 264 Win Mag. A beast in my less experienced opinion.
The 264 Win Mag is an easy argue for best deer cartridge if you ignore ammo availability.
@@andyeighttre and barrel life.
very interested in a conversation about the 257 Roberts
I’d love to hear about the 338 RCM
" why doesn't anyone use 5.5 mm" ever heard of a 5.56 " c'mon man"
Can't see the forest for the trees, lol. I like how he over thinks it and goes straight to 220 Russian.
I would like to see you talk about the 6mm Remington
If you read PO Ackley book they shot thru a piece of 1 inch steel plate with one , the old Norma factory is the hottest factory ammo you could get the old tan and white boxes , it will melt 40 gr bullets if handload them too HOT
I think what he might have meant by Texas white tail is that white tail deer tend to be smaller the further south in Texas you go. I know that deer on south Texas are substantially smaller than most the white tail we have around the Texas panhandle. So he may have been referencing smaller bodied deer by saying Texas whitetail.
I've shot several bucks, whitetail & mule deer, with headshots, neck shots, lung shots, and heart shots with my .220 Swift. I've never lost an animal with that gun. I can't say the same for my 30.06.
204 ruger would be very cool cartridge
Just got a 22-250 Encore.. Good Enough!
Good enough.
But still not a swift. Lol.
It would be cool to see 204 ruger.
Great video. The only thing I can think of that can match the speed and surpass the accuracy at that speed is the 22WSSM. I think it's faster actually. Just as long as you aren't planning feeding them with a magazine
I have one in a browning Abolt. It actually feeds very well out of the magazine. They also have chromoly barrel so it’s not really a barrel burner either. But I haven’t saw any other brands of rifles in it.
Southern white tails like in Texas are smaller hence much more fragile than like a NY white tail or something north
I believe that you need a heavier bullet at high speeds to stabilize I still love a 7mm 08 for basically everything in North America
Have you done the 7 SAUM for hunting
I love mine. They are sweet. 55gr at 4k is killer
The .221 Fireball was mentioned in diameter with the 220 Swift. I own the CZ 221 Fireball. Few people are aware and I hadn’t heard any dialogue on this Carthage. Could you guys give us some dialogue? My has been dusty for a few years.
Hello from the UK. Great chat but the king of the Varmint round by fare is the Ackley improved 22250 . 50 gn Nosler 4100 fps .
Got my follow
The Swift is king. It's far superior to the 22-250. 50gr Nosler ballistic tip reloads going 3900fps stomps anything the 22-250 can do. And these are not hot loads. The carnage it can do to varmints is unmatched. Red mist and flying guts is the norm. My friend and I would go out Rock Chuck hunting. He said it's more fun to be the spotter. The swift is so fast you don't have to wait for the ding on 400 yd steel. It's nearly instantaneous compared with .223 or .308.
Please do 7.5 Swiss!
Have you guys done one of these on the .350 legend???
We haven't, but we'll definitely add it to the list!
I new a woman that killed elk in Montana with the 220swift and a 60 gr bullet and never lost one one elk was a 6x6 bull she always used Barns bullets she said the bull ran only 30 yards. She told me she had taken 12 elk and she loved her 220 swift
That's super cool!
You might consider the Winchester lever-gun varmint cartridge niche: .219 Zipper, .218 Bee and .25-35 Win. A .218 Bee Browning Model 65 produced my lifetime best ever iron sights thumb-nail sized group (a fluke, of course; never to be repeated) using Hornady 45 grain HP Bee bullets over an appropriate amount of WW296 powder.
Agreed
22 PPC DO THIS CARTRIDGE!
AMAZING STUFF!
I only watch these to hear somebody say..."243...244...what ever it takes!"
Please do the 219 zipper
220 swift is the best. Growing up in Montana, my father had one, I killed many of antelope and mule deer. Accuracy is king.
You should bring a physical example of the cartridge you're discussing. And why the hate on the 6mm Creedmoor? That's a great target round.
Agreed - sometimes they're just not lying around though unfortunately. And as for the 6 creed - any "Hate" we spill is purely for fun. Lots of guys around here shoot 6 creed for target and competition and love it - we just like to give them crap for it because they're better shooters than we are lol
257 Roberts or 7mm-08 please!!
Thanks for the suggestion!
@@VortexNation 257 Roberts
22-6mm/224TTH is another super fast
I was getting 4400fps in 204 ruger with 24" barrel. 32gr barrel. And sonic boom 💥 with most shots.
Talk about the 204 ruger
i wanna see a 270 talk!!
Noted!
Check out the .35 rem for a cool story
7.5x55 Swiss / GP-11 ammo / Straight pull Swiss service rifle
Killed so many African game ! Awesome big game cartridge!
Please talk about the .22 Hornet.
Please talk about the .22 Hornet
only round to use semi rimmed case , from 6mm navy lee , as strong as a belted magnum case , not used by accident
Please can you do a chat on the 6mm PPC USA ?
Jerry Gebby introduced this wildcat to Winchester
Solid copper rounds have breathed new life into these ultra fast calibers imo.
Does anyone know the fastest caliber with good commercial availability of a factory solid copper round?
6.5-300 W, 127 gr Barnes LR factory ammo, box said 3500 FPS. But….good luck finding any
Cartridge request..
22-250 Ackley Improved
243 Ackley
6mm Remington
6mm Remington Ackley
I always wanted the 220 swift but my gunsmith talked me out of it because it's the same thing what u talked about. The brass. I had a 22-6mm. Easier to get brass and better brass.
Never had trouble buying brass for my 220 Swift yet, but barrels are why I keep two .223's for most shooting trips. The 220 Swift is about the quickest gun around to burn up a barrel.
The 220 swift may be better, but the .243 and the 25-06 will do about the same damage to the neck of a deer, it really is lights out. I had one 220 swift, remmy bdl... never could get it dialed in, so after 3 weeks of hand loads I sold it, it wasn't a lemon and still shot moa, but not good enough for me.
How about a 220 swift with a 64 grain bullet. Faster twist?
Can you talk about the 224 valkyrie