How to Notch Tubing Perfectly for Cheap!
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- In this video I'll share with you a simple, effective, and inexpensive method for tube notching! This technique works best for 0 degree notching as any significant angle has proven to be difficult to achieve by hand. In which case an angle grinder with a flap disc can also be used as an inexpensive method for such things as 45 degree angle notches. - Tim
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From an old retired machinist, try to keep the rpm (surface speed) down slower. About 60 surface feet per minute is about best for hole saws. It will make your hole saw last many many times longer. You can find the formula for surface feet in the machinist hand book or many other places. A drill press would make this job easier IF you had one! WD40 works excellent on aluminum, a high sulfur cutting fluid works far better on steel and can be purchased from industrial supplies or even most good auto part stores.
Yes a wood or steel jig on a drillpress table
@Phil Perri evaporating is what sucks heat away. For oil to cool effectively it needs to flood. Though oil will reduce friction which helps a lot. I ran a big broach in a shop that had what amounted to a garden hose sized oil sprayer on it. Was 0.7 of an inch diameter orifice. 500 gallon bath. We used straight 30 WT oil. Detergent engine oil is a dessicant. That makes it bad for tools. It attracts water. WD-40 is Stoddard solvent or white spirit, or mineral turpentine with secret sauce added to it. Best men's cologne on the market!
It's actually "The Machinery's Handbook."
mark lennox good call ! I’ve found that going low rpm/low speed it keeps the bit cooler and cuts more efficiently and you’re right the bit last so much longer ! Great tip sir !!
Man I wish I had a drill press, I've just got an old DeWalt NiCad hand drill and a small Olympia vise... At least I'd be able to do this with my setup.
Good lord it's great to see a young man working in a garage. It gives me some hope for the future
Instead of using a 1/4" bit in your mandrel, use a piece of 1/4" drill rod. This will stop the drill from enlarging your previously drilled holes. This is especially true if you are using thin walled tubing.
Wanted to thank you very much for this tutorial! Used your technique for a fabrication project just this morning and it rocked! Couldn't have done it without your help! Thank you!
Nice work kid! Its good to see a young man learning skills and sharing what he knows. So many kids these days have no clue how to actually make something. Pay attention to these comments and you'll develop your skills even more.
Tommy Lee I agree 100 % with you.
prefer young man, he is doing .....which is rare in the times we live in, I am little long in tooth but starting to learn metal, comments and suggestions from old timers are extremely valuable from my perspective, best to all
this is the second time I've learned something from your videos.
Thank you. You're awesome.
1/8 " over tubing size was something to remember for me . Really good job , especially doing it with cordless drill .
wait ,i just realized the over size added in
is ,,, the wall thickness added to each other
Dude. freaking awesome. So simple, yet ingenious! This has opened my mind to several things. thank you bro.You are a big help. Looks like the saddle was cut in a machine shop.
Good video, straight to work without over explaining and no annoying background music. Well done kid.
You did a great job with this video. Presentation, lighting, camera work was all really good. I am looking at the basics of notching and this video was a super introduction for those of us researching DIY knowledge without the specialized tools available (at this time) for ways to get it done at home. Thanks for posting this.
The life-hack about using a holesaw 1/8" oversize was good, I'm going to benefit from your trial & error, thanks
For a young fella starting out with limited tools I think you've done a good job
I must say!!!! Very good job cutting the tubes... This old man now has a new trick.
thanks for your suggestion, on a low budget tube notching .I did it totally works.
I'm building a crown vic dune buggy and I'm glad I saw your tip about going up 1/8", works wonders!!
Great! Simple! I was knocking around with the 6 & 12 O'Clock as a way to get this cut, but have absolutely no idea, why I didn't think of using the Hole Saw like that! Excellent!!!!!!
Thanks very much!!!!!
I am a die hard do it yourselfer and love building things without expensive machines but with a finished look of a pro. Thank you for sharing. People like you make the University of TH-cam a great place to learn!
I’m an old rooster 61 learning from a young rooster, awesome .
Thanks very much.
That is awesome!
I've always used a cut off wheel and dremel to make notches. I'm going to have to try this on my bumper stinger.
Smart simple solution for notching by hand, with just the basic tools, thank you for sharing. Using the center bit for a guide, simple but genius!
Show de bola meu brother, muito obrigado pela explicações! Muito bom mesmo.
nice looking connection. speaking for myself cutting oil would be a good choice rather than WD. great video thanks for sharing also nice project
Wow! I've been searching for a good, reliable method for saddling pipe(s). This is awesome! Thank you so much for this, for sure I'll be giving this method a go! Great video tutorial, by the way! Subscribed! 👍
Thanks for this video, i have a project coming up and this will really help.
It is esentialy the same bit that comes from Eastwood. A couple of tricks that will speed up the process. Go to wall mart and buy the $20 18Volt cordless drill. Use them for your pilot holes. That way you dont have to change bits. Pack the hole saw with some fiberglass. Instead of WD-40 use 2 cycle oil. 2 cycle oil will leave lubricant where it gets hot unlike WD 40 and cutting oil. To clean up your cut you can buy the barrel sanding kit for about $10 that matches the Lennox bit. They use the barrel sander to smooth out the wood when setting a lock. Always use low RPM when cutting metal or it will skip and burn your bit. The 2 Cycle oil prevents this.
Very good video
Great!!!!
Good video, but you should make some pipe jaw caps for your vice using angle iron which can be easily put on and take off, the pipe can slip from those vice jaws when you put force on it while drill.
Great Training! You are easy to follow start to finish! That's how people learn. Thanks.
Thanks for the info going to use this tip when I start my daughter mini monster truck build
I had no idea at first what he was doing, then I realized how cool this is
tigergreg8 and then you should have realized that it only works on 90 degrees notching....
Good job man. Forget the haters that never touched a tool in their life but have all the solutions.
That's called KNOWLEDGE and CORRECTING MISTAKES, not "hating". Telling someone to use cutting oil (instead of WD40, lol), runnng lower RPMs (instead of burning up a hole saw, lol) and to lay out the pipe correctly (instead of wasting a cut, lol) is not HATE, it's just smart. If someone is offended by being corrected when they are doing something wrong, too bad. Either listen or don't.
Fantastic tutorial bro made it so simple to understand 👌🏿
Thanks man. The tip for using the bigger hole saw size is great.
Very good for doing it at home like that I like it.
I'm not an off road guy, but I found this super helpful. Thanks!
this is a great technic . the end result looks factory,good work man!
i really like the tip about going oversized by 1/8" on the drill. Nice fit and Thanks
Here's a tip for you, put some fiberglass insulation inside the hole saw and soak it in oil or trans fluid. It will save you a lot of WD 40 and keeps the hole saw cool.
+William Castleberry Interesting idea. I will give it a try.
+William Castleberry Great tip, never heard that before. definitely trying that
nice one !
+William Castleberry another tip would be trying to run somewhere close to the surface speed of HSS, and the material being cut. About 7 times faster than the recommended speed is probably a tad high I'd think. Also, fiberglass is usually pretty harsh on steel tools. There are cutting oils that cling better than WD-40 does too.
+William Castleberry Sweet..
Some thing else to help you transfer the holes along length of tube and keep them inline. Use a length of angle iron held against the tube.
He had that speed square right there that would have worked.
Thanks for the Great Idea. Exactly what I was looking for this past 2 weeks !
Great tip, Ive been trying to work out a simple way to notch pipe, thanks for this.
awesome...dam! I am going to try this on my bike frame project!
The drillbit angle is giving me anxiety, and I don’t have anxiety!
Great video and great Ideas for the low budget fabricators. Thanks
This helped me out so much on my first slider build, thanks 🤙
There is hope for this generation! A+ bro
Wow, that's a great idea. Get yourself a tube of cutting oil, it should make your job a little easier than the wd 40
Young and smart.... You have a good future ahead of you.
I watched this video five years ago and just ran across it again
Damn! I been using bee's wax all these years for drilling and cutting!
whenever the internet trolls would say theres 10 of minutes of my life ill never get back, i prefer say theres 10 minutes of schooling ill use for many years to come, great video tutorial, thanks.
+carolina cruisers awesome, thanks for watching!
+carolina cruisers I bet you'll never find that same troll saying that on a porn website
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Wow Tim that's awesome... Some times it can either be as hard or as easy as will let it be right... Fancy high end jigs are nice and all but there's something to be said for being able to do the same task with less equipment... Thanks for taking the time to share this video. Joe
Very helpful. Thanks for posting and sharing!
There is 'cutting oil', (great name) that works extremely well for cutting steel. also works well as a drill lubricant. WD40 works well to sell more holesaws, drills, etc.
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Drill a longer piece of pipe in the middle instead of the end and you'll have two notched pieces ready to go.
Tom, he demonstrates that quite clearly, already!
he does
Excellent video. Well done. Years ago I picked up some former fencing tubes from a school who had discarded them.
As the fencing at the school was upgraded there was no use for the tubes.
I welded shelving for my workshed with the tubes and also built a lean to roof using the tubes as posts.
I did try using a hole saw at one stage. My other idea was to hear and crimp the ends.
I didn't have a big enough Vice so deviced another method.
Very good video, straight to the point, thank you from Mexico
Im thinking a drill press would work better or save your hole saw from dulling
I wonder If I could use the hole saw with my drill press to cut angles the same way
Sounds like a great idea.
I wish that I would have known this back in the 90s when we built street stock dirt stockcars. That's awesome! I subscribed
Wow that was nice. I'll show my cousin. He'll love this.
Great video. But I really think the use of cutting oil should be stressed in place of the WD40. If you're doing this on the "can't afford a drill press budget, then not burning up hole saws makes the extra few bucks for cutting oil a good investment.
@Patrick Swayze how about you go back to the Roadhouse and shut up, you sexy beyotch.
Old Tibetan guys also say, "More oil Captain ... more oil!"
I learned something, thank you
What the cool part about this, is the center to center, no math involved. Its exactly how you measured it on the jobsite to build at the shop. No adding and subtracting numbers and forgetting tube lengths. Brilliant!!
I never thought about doing it like this, and I sure shoulda. Keep up the good work...... I'll be building roll cages like a pro!
do yourself a favor.. get the drill press attachement.. run WAY lower Rpms... gonna have longer lasting hole saw.
and lenox is probly the best i used. best bang for the buck anyways
+rudedude13 absolutely, the bigger the diameter, the slower...speed the where the friction occurs grow exponentially as the diameter grows..
+rudedude13 I can tell you the precise speed that 1 7/8" hole saw should run. 210 RPM. That will net you a surface speed of 103 feet per minute. Which is just about ideal.
+Paul Frederick i dont have the charts in front of me but it sounds right
Rudy Lanteigne
Here's some formulas. (PI * DIA. * RPM) / 12 = SFPM (Surface Feet Per Minute) Diameter is in inches. A formula to calculate RPM for a given diameter, and surface speed SFPM * (12 / PI) / DIA = RPM Although for ballparking it I have a chart hanging in my shop too. But for goofy stuff like that hole saw I use the formula. HSS on mild steel is 100 SFPM optimal speed.
not for this application you dont need a drill press. what he is doing this is fine.
This method is awesome!!! I finally found where you specified at 6:30 the size of the pipe, and what hole saw size you ultimately used. You should notate this info in the notes...quite handy info.
This is a very nice technique and simple. Looks like the cuts become guides long with the predrilled holes. Very nice tip.
Chop saw is faster. Cut the end at 45° to the center of the pipe.
So true Tom and there is so little material wastage. Also the angle saves beveling to get a full penetration weld. But each to their own.
Dude you can get the same thing with a chop saw you started at 22 and a half degrees and start cutting quick easy simple been doing it for years as a welder fabricator
very good young men i'm glad to see young people doing this kind of work
dude. you. are. a. genius. much love. great vid.
wouldn't cutting oil be better
Yes youre correct...wd 40 is not lubricous👽
For this application you do not need nor want the "lubrication" properties of a cutting fluid, what you only need is cooling effect, water would work perfect, on the other hand, if you are cutting a thread, say using a tap and die, then yes, that's where lubrication comes to play
Handy tip! Will likely be using it this weekend!
A decent drill press, and a v block would save you a pile of time.
Brainmalfuction idiot! Your Brain...
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Robert B. Why would a guy that "probably doesn't even have a mig welder" be notching tube?
Drill press, v-block, hole saw @ 600 rpm, cutting oil. Hole saw will last a lot longer.
jhitt79 ....he may have a stick welder
Just the video I needed to find. About to undertake my first rock bars and rock sliders.
Nice work, cool truck, LOVE the simple technique you showed to get a perfect cut with a simple hole saw, going to add some tubes to my rzr cage this will work great, thanks so much for sharing
2 cuts and less than 1 minute with a chop saw set at 45 degree angle...perfect notch I use all the time.
How do you make a "perfect" notch with a chop saw? Especially with only 2 cuts? I can see how you could make a V notch, but not a round notch.
@@514orbigger88 Geometry, as also pointed out by Paul Ferderick elsewhere in these comments.
Ok??.. I dont see my question answered.. How DO you make a perfect notch in 2 cuts?
@@514orbigger88, make your two 45 degree cuts on the chop saw. Viewed from above, you have a mitered cylinder, ready to plug into a v-notch cut into a similar cylinder. Viewed from the side, the tube has a semi-circular void in the end, which will apparently fit over that other, similar cylinder. I say apparently, because this is true for cylinders with an infinitely thin wall thickness. The wall of your tubing, be it 0.082" or whatever, will need to be ground away to fit perfectly on the surface of the mating tube. In carpentry terms, this is similar to scribing one molding to another, say a baseboard at an inside corner.
use a cutting oil and for stainless , slow and steady wins the race. high rpm's overheat the stainless and will chew your hole saws up as fast as u can switch them out. otherwise not too bad of a video
+Ben Derpinghaus It was aluminium. You don't use oil on aluminium.
+He Ka sorry. i didn't read or hear aluminum anywhere. if it is aluminum that's a shitty slow cut. also, imho a cutting oil would be a better choice over a penetrating oil. i would say wd-40 would be the worst option. a simple candle or soap would work better than wd-40
Ben Derpinghaus Well it looks, sounds and acts like aluminium. You need pretty much petroleum for cutting aluminium and WD40 is 1/4 petroleum.
+He Ka
The tubing in this video is ERW mild steel tubing.
WD-40 is more than 99% petroleum.
The issue of using cutting oil on aluminum is that the sulfur content of the cutting oil will darken the aluminum surface finish, but a scotch-brite pad quickly and easily removes the dark stain.
+patw52pb1 Ok.. my bad.
Great idea. I just built a quick and dirty roof rack from EMT and this would have sped things up quite a bit.
Learned a new trick...thanks mate.
wd-40 is not a lubricant, use "real" cutting oil instead ....
was thinking the same thing
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Rather than cutting oil or WD-40, spray the hole cutter teeth with water. All you need to do it cool the hole cutter teeth.
Mark G b
Ahhh. A man of few words.
You shouldn't use WD-40 for that. Cutting oil is a much better lubricant for that. Also, a drill press would go a long way and be a lot better.
Neat video and yes I learned a lot. Some really great suggestions from the comments as well!
Excelente trabajo amigos, gracias por todo, saludos desde Bogota - Colombia
nice work but problem is cutting edge. if you weld on edge right now welding bid is not penetrate whole pipe thick. welding on thinist edge is dangerous and useless. it will accidentally brake out someday. especially shock absorbing bikes body. so you grind out edge to reverse edge. so called bevel angle. then welding bid is fulfilled main pipe and son pipe. it will ensure strength of bid.
good info, thanks!
Jongsoo Kim tubing not pipe,tubing is structural, pipe is made for water and gas where the pressure is on the inside
Excellent technique but it was painful to watch knowing that you most likely have a drill press.
Muchas gracias, gracias a tu video me ha llevado por otro camino para hacer las muescas en los tubos redondos y cuadrados.
Good job bud,that's a cool idea,because we all don't have fancy super expensive cutting tables and water jets,so kudos to you my friend,great job.
You don't need any of this. You can cut perfect joints every time with a cutting blade on a four inch grinder. It even works with any angle. I think the fabricator has a video on this. Search TH-cam for the fabricator and cutting notches and it should come up.
we have a video on it as well.
th-cam.com/video/sCO5m9uWGuU/w-d-xo.html
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Imautoober Shooter joint? lol
Holly shit that was funny! "I'm going to teach you how to notch tubing effectively and ALMOST efficiently" I'm still laughing my ass off. Great video tho!
+Alan Lawyer They're honest. I'll say that for them.
At least he never used the v word........😳
Virtually
Always great to see how people do what they do.
hey thanks for the info
great video man
I can build my own roof rack now
without paying thousands of dollars to those companies
all I need now is this information a welding machine and a lot of measurements
all your videos are always very helpful thank you guys
Cutting oil will make the hole saw last longer, wd40 isnt the greatest for this job
And you stink less from not having the wd flinging off onto you all day
WD-40 is not a lubricant. use oil. WD means "Water Displacement". The 40 is for the fortieth formula they tried. It's a great penetrant but never use it to lubricate...or cutting fluid.
+Larry Maloney Yep... the WD40 folks made most their $$ from a misunderstanding of exactly what WD40 is. Most people think it's a lubricant but, it's not. It's the 40th attempt to make a good water displacement solvent.
+Tommy Rad , I was Plant Maintenance Superintendent in a tube fabricating company that used robots for welding. The axis bearings kept failing and production was way behind. I viewed (from a distance) to confirm my suspicions that the operators on 3rd shift were spraying WD-40 on all the bearings. I witnessed it and before the night was over the machine had failed (again). I still had problems convincing others not to use the stuff as a lubricant. Even management believed it was "good oil". The inverse is just as true. For thirty years I used Mobil 1 (a synthetic lubricant) whenever I could in an engine or gear box or transmission and as the machinery grew old they maintained their factory machined tolerances. Still today mechanics recommend users to drain their good synthetic oil from their vehicles simply because the owner's manual says "replace every 3K miles". Use a quality synthetic oil and you'll grow tired of the car before you wear it out. Automotive filters are way behind times. Most, even the brand names, are poor filters. So bad, in fact none reveal their micron rating (the standard measure of a filters' ability to remove contaminants.) It's all about marketing. Most car owners would be well served to use a synthetic and change the filter twice for every synthetic oil change. You see, technically oil never wears out. It either gets contaminated or uses up its additives. Smart long haul drivers add back the additives and keep filtering the oil for hundreds of thousands of miles keeping costs down on operating their eighteen wheelers.
Larry Maloney
Spraying WD on greased bearings? NOT good. Basically, washing all the lube [grease] out. Wow! I have to say, I'm blown away by just how ill-informed people are... every day. Apathy... it's killing us. And you are 100% on target with the oil change issue. Cheers!
+Larry Maloney
didnt i just see him use cutting oil on the 1/4 pilot bit?
wonder why he switched
+joe rodriguez , he must listening to the big boys.
Great video. Thanks for teaching us this method. Cheers.
Awesome idea bro, simple, net and effective!
That ain't an inch and a quarter.
That's what she said
awesome work definitely want to try this sometime
very informative and well done. Thank you for the useful information.
A simple tip I got from an old friend when drilling or boarding stainless use use turps or white spirit as a coolant
Keep up the good work
kind regards Sean from the Burren west of Ireland
Genius! Congratulations!