@@DavidLLambertmobile that's the difference between the political persuasions. Actual lefties hate George Soros David Koch WRren Buffett, the Clinton's. all of those assholes. You always think you're owning us by mentioning some greedy asshole pushing CONSERVATIVE monetary policy to save their unearned fortunes. Some of you are actually dumb enough to call liberal billionaires socialists. Yeah these people want to pay Eisenhowers 90 percent taxrate. lmfao You see the political divide like that because that's exactly how your side largely is. You are top down with your political thought. You just have preferable oligarchs. You need to be told what to think
Whenever someone on the right wrongfully runs their mouth thinking they're being edgy, I think of Rogan to Callen: "You hang around with too many people who allow you to get away with saying shit like that"
Social media has indeed been a big factor in destroying journalism. If we can find a way to get people interested in reading long-form and nuanced pieces again then journalism would begin to get back on track.
Anthony Hirsch the journalist shot them selves in the foot when they stopped reporting unbiased truth and started running things they want to be true lol just because the millennials cry the loudest doesn’t mean they are the majority and I think that’s what we’re seeing today ...... you get these big corporate media platforms catering to the ones who throw the biggest tantrums instead of the majority of us who don’t wanna hear your virtue signaling we just want the truth
@@3SIXTYPROD true but tell the WHOLE truth. Conservatives have media platforms that cater to biases as well. It's lame-stream media in general that's a cancer wether its liberal or conservative biased.
The media has been lying to the American people for a hundred years, media propaganda is not a new thing, the reason the propaganda is starting to cave is because of social media, and now even social media is starting to censor certain stories to protect the MSM, the MSM is a strong arm of the government, can anyone honestly trust any news channel that hires a government official when they return to the private sector, I'm not going to trust a ex CIA to tell me anything about the government.
yea but its still about as long as a 22 minute news show where 4 talking heads talk over eachother and I got a lot more out of this. And now I am interested enough to go watch the full podcast now.
Hegelian-dialectic. People are emotional and reactive, they don't even realize their mind-set is just for their team to dominate. We need to be open to listening, not just shouting insults at our "enemies." No assumptions about "Republicans" or "Democrats." Un-biased Americans working together to better our country and hopefully the world.
Another way to put it is that America has become completely unempathetic to how other people might feel. Refusing to see things as others might see. Only pushing forward their own agendas instead of working together for the greater good.
For the most part I agree. But - there is something else going on. For example - ask a hard core "pay your fair share" progressive why they need compulsory taxation for their social agenda, instead of establishing a trust fund where the annual interest returns replace the need for the immense tax structure. You can literally watch their faces as they just realized you shot their sacred cow. Now, the mind bending mental gymnastics they do to answer you is another story - but for real, you are dealing with cold blooded sociopaths. They don't give a fuck about the problem deep down - they want to use the force and power of government to control people they don't agree with. That's the bottom line. It's the same with most every politically opinionated person. They are sociopaths. We can't have a peaceful productive society with them involved. That's a sad fact. They don't care about the problem - they want control of the government (monopoly of force) to further their political/social agendas. I don't know what the long term solution is, but the moment we can place all these shit-heads onto a barge and crash it into the sun, the sooner we can fix all of the problems in society like regular folks. #FeelTheBern now, fuckers.
Awhile back I saw an interview with geddy Lee of Rush. He went in depth about how short the attention span of people has become and how he thought it was much harder for musicians to get noticed today than it was for his generation. It is an interesting phenomenon.
People don't understand that our journalism now *is* normal. This is the norm. Look at newspapers from the 1800's and early 1900's, they were as they are now: Politically partisan outfits whose aim was to rally public opinion to the aims of the owners of the paper. And print journalism has always been this way, and nobody seems to think it's a big deal. But because we now have T.V. journalism that behaves the same way, we act like it's the end-times. The idea of journalistic neutrality on T.V. was specifically a reaction of lawmakers to the technological limitations of the medium. When T.V. was new there weren't enough channels to permit every opinion to get air time. So, after technological advancements finally furnished a proliferation of T.V. news options, the F.C.C. finally repealed the 'Fairness Doctrine' which had previously prevented partisan news coverage like has always been legal in every other medium. That wasn't the only factor driving political consensus in the post 1950's, either. America was united and prosperous after emerging victorious from, sequentially, the worst economic disaster, and the worst humanitarian disaster in recorded history. Bipartisanship, critical to keeping the U.S. together during wartime, had become second nature to the American leadership class. That period of consensus and compromise was unprecedented, both nationally and internationally (and yet was still not without strife). My point here is that the "Good old days"of journalism are, if they existed at all, based on a very a-typical period of history.
"Within the news business they have this belief people cant handle difficult material, I dunno why that is" Have you watched the news lately? I think it's the news people that cant handle difficult material
Thank you Joe and Matt Taibi for being journalists/ podcasters who tell the truth. And thank Mike Taibi for the same and for Matt!! Thank God we’re still have Y’all we can believe!
@@peterstafford4426 The 2 are totally different but try and tell the truth. Taibi is one of the most honest journalists alive today. Hard to beat his standards.
@@peterstafford4426 funny I see you make these comments constantly yet don’t back it up with your thoughts why. You sound like either a bot or someone who may have gone the way of the sheep that have zero reason why they dislike something but say something anyway.
@@pattytracey3131 Nothing honest about him. He pushed the BS that Jan 6th was not anything to worry about. That makes him a right wing fascist. He has zero standards.
As for me, I only want quick news hits now because I'm tired of the media going on about how I should feel about the headlines and what's going to happen in the future. Just the facts ma'am.
Just came back from a book fair. The room was filled with people buying and browsing everything, and they were young and old, men and women; every colour, belief system or creed under one roof... People are willing to read and want to be informed. They don’t want to be condescended to and told to just follow one path...
RS is awful. They prop up Terry Richardson who make Jeffery Epstein look like Gloria Steinem 😡. They lied & distorted items about UVA, Charlottesville.
I'm here because, after watching a number of these, Joe seems to NOT really have a narrative. We know some of his opinions but he lets his guests talk. He always seems very interested and always lets his guests get their info out - regardless of their speaking ability. He doesn't interrupt them. I think the big reason he can do this is because of his lack of time restraints. I was shocked at how he let Edward Snowden carefully get his info out. It was like getting the book version of Snowden.
Hunter S. Thompson had a quote about television journalism. This quote is featured in Charlie Le Duff's latest book "Sh!t Show." Both of you should host him immediately.
I just came to see who would make this comment. Matt says that he thinks it would be really popular but I feel like subverse is kinda boring and hard the be excited for new videos.
“I don’t have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It’s a depression. Everybody’s out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel’s worth. Banks are going bust. Shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there’s nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there’s no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that’s the way it’s supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. They’re crazy. It’s like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don’t go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is: ‘Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won’t say anything. Just leave us alone.’ Well, I’m not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get MAD! I don’t want you to protest. I don’t want you to riot - I don’t want you to write to your congressman, because I wouldn’t know what to tell you to write. I don’t know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you’ve got to get mad. (shouting) You’ve got to say: ‘I’m a human being, god-dammit! My life has value!’ So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell: ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take this anymore!’ I want you to get up right now. Sit up. Go to your windows. Open them and stick your head out and yell - ‘I’m as mad as hell and I’m not gonna take this anymore!’ Things have got to change. But first, you’ve gotta get mad!…You’ve got to say, ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take this anymore!’ Then we’ll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first, get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take this anymore!’"
Tim Pool is at least *attempting* the "No Side News" idea with his "subverse" network. I won't say it's necessarily catching on, but people have definitely had the idea. I just think we're too polarized for it to work. The cynical side of me thinks this'll be demonstrated in any comments that might accrue in reply to mine.
Someone like Jack Dorsey with his billions should start as Neither Side News which is only about reporting news, in depth and clearly without a bias and where the owner has zero control over the stories. No editorials and no editorial line dictated by a press baron owner, no opinion pieces, no columnists. Does not show adverts so not driven by clicks and people can pay on a Patreon model. The reason I suggest someone like Dorsey is because he's got enough money to do this and fund it / subsidise it and his creation Twitter, alongside other forms of social media such as Facebook, has massively damaged how the media works, how public discourse works globally, created increasing levels of polarisation and has, when its pros and cons have been netted out, become a curse on humanity. Him or a Zuckerberg or an equivalent owes this to the public.
It was a hell of a lot more on track just 20 years ago. I remember when the news had next to no opinion in it. The creation of 24 hour news stations ruined journalism and journalistic integrity by introducing opinion as factual news.
In Sweden the magazines get a lot of money from the government- it doesn’t make it one god damned bit better. It makes the articles longer and more provocative since it SHOWS how they believe the ideology more than reality or citizens. They are an upper class that do not care about other groups in society because of their narcissism.
Don't blame the audience. There are enough that want details and do work for them already. A source with details telling the public what needs to be known to make good decisions would be invaluable to enough to support that source. Other will catch on and increase their attention span or get left behind.
It's not so much the industry's fault if you think about it. What is the point of investing when the general news consumer doesn't make the effort to be informed or even interested in being so. We're stuck in a rut of spending choosing between quality time with your own brain or pushing a few buttons and getting that endorphin hit.
Have the courage to start telling the truth...that would be a start for all “journalists” Real social warriors like John Pilger put these fake actors to shame (If they had any) I do have respect for Matt though.
Knowing what goes on in the world is extremely important to all of us. People have always had opinions. Money and avarice have always been in the human experience. The printed word changed the course of humanity. The printing press freed the human race from feudalism. Journalism has had a profound and positive effect on freedom. Creating a pejorative ideal around journalism is foolish and dangerous. Think for yourself and research the sources of the info you read.
How did CEOs of media corporations BECOME CEOs? Not because they underestimate the audience's critical thinking skills, curiosity, or attention spans. It is because like 'consent' ... the audience's capacity has been 'manufactured'. It is a deliberately 'manufactured short attention span' as a business model for short-term profits and to protect the ruling class. Japan, where I live, has more of a cultural conceit regarding 'group harmony' rather than 'individual freedom' ... but the ruling elite applies similar tricks. Similar to the oxymoron of Chomsky and Herman's 'Manufacturing Consent', Stephen Vlastos's book of academic essays is entitled 'Invented Traditions of Modern Japan'. This is part of a larger, only partially subconscious 'mission-creep / mission-drift' towards a civilization in decline because of the brute-blind ambition of concentrating power. I specify 'civilization' because we are talking about something bigger than a single nation-state. I have lived in Japan for 36 years now, and have taught in both Japanese and American colleges (Associate Prof. as well as disposable Adjunct Prof.) and Japan, despite marketing its 'cultural exceptionalism' for tourist dollars, is similarly in decline. While Japan has the world's 3rd largest economy, its mass media and higher education are both ranked even lower (about 70th among 140 nations) than U.S. counterparts for those institutions. Harvard Professor of political philosophy Michael Sandel defines 'corruption' as the replacing of higher values with lower values. I would say the higher values are those values associated with communities, not institutions. Communities tend to be small enough, less than Dunbar's number, to allow for relatively egalitarian, empathy-driven moralities. We can identify and relate to everyone in the community based on unique, individual relationships. And though even families, gangs, and communities can be led by bullies, small groups are better able to identity and constrain those dark-triad personality types. Institutions, on the other hand, are large, bureaucratic, hierarchical economies of scale ... 'efficient' only for the dark-triad personality types (narcissists, machiavellian opportunists, and psychopaths) which are at the top of the hierarchies, and providing lots of niche opportunities to game the system along the way. As Lao Tzu once put it ... 'The more laws the country, the more evil the people.', Once the dark-triads build the empire at the expense of communities, and take over the top ... they reserve empathy-driven morality only for themselves, the small gated community at the top, and outsource the cost of stripping human emotional needs to the disposable human capital which keeps the hierarchy so steep ... at least until those at the top vampirize the majority so much, that it all eventually comes tumbling down like every 'Tower of Babel'. The first casualty of war is truth. Make no mistake, we are in the closing days of a class war that has already been lost. Both legitimate journalism and the liberal-arts ideals of education in critical thinking skills are casualties of corruption, and without everyone being allowed to live up to their potential as sustainable social primates, even the gated communities will have no one left to tend the walls. As Jared Diamond says in 'Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed', regarding the failed Norse colony in Greenland 500 years ago - 'Ultimately, though, the chiefs found themselves without followers. The last right that they obtained for themselves was the privilege of being the last to starve.' Diamond, Jared. Collapse (p. 276). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition. I rest my case with what I expect will be a VERY small number, if any, of upvotes or downvotes, comments, or dialogue which indicate little motivation to even read what I have written here.
"How can we influence the world if people think we're a joke?" Its far too late to ask yourself such a stupid question. Shame on you. Shame shame shame.
Rising (on Hill TV) with Krystal Ball and Sagaar, An independent media that has the traditional tv feel I would 100% recommend watching. Would also be great to get them on JRE
@@progKansas the original poster said it was "independent" tv. I was simply saying she is not independent, she is a left wing hack. And I'm sure she is also a corporate hack. Do you really think she would "speak truth to power" when it comes to the corporation that signs HER paycheck?....
@@progKansas of course you would take a left wing hacks word. Your name you chose is "prog" and anyone who puts "progressive" as a describer of themselves is most likely a left wing hack too.
I think the best news would be here's the thing we're talking abt, here's the opinion of the guy doing it, here's the opinion of the guy affected by it, now you go make up ur own opinion
Thumbnail had a pic of Walter Cronkite. Other than being a much better liar. Walter Cronkite was no better than the current crop of journalists. He was always pushing a political and social agenda.
TH-cam news is kind of the happy medium. The kind of thing that Tim Pool is doing, among a few others. Taibbi should hop in on this stuff; especially since there aren't enough lefties doing it.
Attention span is tied to the persons interest in the subject. In short clips, the journalist needs to get the person interested in the subject and then go deeper and deeper into the subject with longer video clips. Sitting through 2.5 hours isn't problem if you're getting better and important information. The Trump impeachment crap will turn off the viewer in 2 minutes, if they can't make a case. If you're over 50, anti-aging technology and methodologies could hold your attention for hours, assuming the video has something worthwhile to offer.
There's an political TV show in Russian which being aired 5 times a weak and is 2 - 3 h long and it is one of most popular shaws there and also countries that speaks Russian. Just saying
@@BorungBoy thay mostly talk about geopolitical topics like Ukraine and USA and so on and have alway 2 kide of people there one who are against Russian and one for Russian
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"Doing PR for rich people." - mainstream media
That really is how it comes across.
George (cough) Soros cough...
@@DavidLLambertmobile Roger (cough) Ailes, Rupert (cough) Murdoch, Koch (cough) Brothers cough...
@@DavidLLambertmobile that's the difference between the political persuasions. Actual lefties hate George Soros David Koch WRren Buffett, the Clinton's. all of those assholes.
You always think you're owning us by mentioning some greedy asshole pushing CONSERVATIVE monetary policy to save their unearned fortunes.
Some of you are actually dumb enough to call liberal billionaires socialists. Yeah these people want to pay Eisenhowers 90 percent taxrate. lmfao
You see the political divide like that because that's exactly how your side largely is. You are top down with your political thought. You just have preferable oligarchs.
You need to be told what to think
Whenever someone on the right wrongfully runs their mouth thinking they're being edgy, I think of Rogan to Callen: "You hang around with too many people who allow you to get away with saying shit like that"
Lee syatt was right, Audio is the future.
> insert high Lee giggle laugh here
Social media has indeed been a big factor in destroying journalism. If we can find a way to get people interested in reading long-form and nuanced pieces again then journalism would begin to get back on track.
Anthony Hirsch the journalist shot them selves in the foot when they stopped reporting unbiased truth and started running things they want to be true lol just because the millennials cry the loudest doesn’t mean they are the majority and I think that’s what we’re seeing today ...... you get these big corporate media platforms catering to the ones who throw the biggest tantrums instead of the majority of us who don’t wanna hear your virtue signaling we just want the truth
AMERICAN WATCHDOGS yep you hit it on the nail. there is far too much bias in almost every single sector of news
@@3SIXTYPROD true but tell the WHOLE truth. Conservatives have media platforms that cater to biases as well. It's lame-stream media in general that's a cancer wether its liberal or conservative biased.
vicbjr yeah exactly I agree 100% I wast taking sides by any means! It’s just sad to see where we are headed
The media has been lying to the American people for a hundred years, media propaganda is not a new thing, the reason the propaganda is starting to cave is because of social media, and now even social media is starting to censor certain stories to protect the MSM, the MSM is a strong arm of the government, can anyone honestly trust any news channel that hires a government official when they return to the private sector, I'm not going to trust a ex CIA to tell me anything about the government.
This is such an underrated pod, this dude is really well articulated
Agreed, I loved his clearly stated opinions and interpretations; the man has insight.
His articles on the banking
Meltdown were top-notch . Rolling Stone . Matt is brilliant
It's kind of ironic this is just a small snippet of a two-and-a-half-hour conversation
yea but its still about as long as a 22 minute news show where 4 talking heads talk over eachother and I got a lot more out of this. And now I am interested enough to go watch the full podcast now.
Joe Rogan is the most trusted man in America.
Hegelian-dialectic. People are emotional and reactive, they don't even realize their mind-set is just for their team to dominate. We need to be open to listening, not just shouting insults at our "enemies." No assumptions about "Republicans" or "Democrats." Un-biased Americans working together to better our country and hopefully the world.
Another way to put it is that America has become completely unempathetic to how other people might feel. Refusing to see things as others might see. Only pushing forward their own agendas instead of working together for the greater good.
For the most part I agree. But - there is something else going on. For example - ask a hard core "pay your fair share" progressive why they need compulsory taxation for their social agenda, instead of establishing a trust fund where the annual interest returns replace the need for the immense tax structure. You can literally watch their faces as they just realized you shot their sacred cow. Now, the mind bending mental gymnastics they do to answer you is another story - but for real, you are dealing with cold blooded sociopaths. They don't give a fuck about the problem deep down - they want to use the force and power of government to control people they don't agree with. That's the bottom line.
It's the same with most every politically opinionated person. They are sociopaths.
We can't have a peaceful productive society with them involved. That's a sad fact. They don't care about the problem - they want control of the government (monopoly of force) to further their political/social agendas.
I don't know what the long term solution is, but the moment we can place all these shit-heads onto a barge and crash it into the sun, the sooner we can fix all of the problems in society like regular folks.
#FeelTheBern now, fuckers.
D Jackson kinda what @thenormalnews on Instagram is doing. Follow them!
Awhile back I saw an interview with geddy Lee of Rush.
He went in depth about how short the attention span of people has become and how he thought it was much harder for musicians to get noticed today than it was for his generation.
It is an interesting phenomenon.
24 hour news is done, 2 hours 3 x a day is more than enough.
People don't understand that our journalism now *is* normal. This is the norm. Look at newspapers from the 1800's and early 1900's, they were as they are now: Politically partisan outfits whose aim was to rally public opinion to the aims of the owners of the paper. And print journalism has always been this way, and nobody seems to think it's a big deal. But because we now have T.V. journalism that behaves the same way, we act like it's the end-times. The idea of journalistic neutrality on T.V. was specifically a reaction of lawmakers to the technological limitations of the medium. When T.V. was new there weren't enough channels to permit every opinion to get air time. So, after technological advancements finally furnished a proliferation of T.V. news options, the F.C.C. finally repealed the 'Fairness Doctrine' which had previously prevented partisan news coverage like has always been legal in every other medium.
That wasn't the only factor driving political consensus in the post 1950's, either. America was united and prosperous after emerging victorious from, sequentially, the worst economic disaster, and the worst humanitarian disaster in recorded history. Bipartisanship, critical to keeping the U.S. together during wartime, had become second nature to the American leadership class. That period of consensus and compromise was unprecedented, both nationally and internationally (and yet was still not without strife). My point here is that the "Good old days"of journalism are, if they existed at all, based on a very a-typical period of history.
I’ve been talking about this nonstop lately. I wanna start an old school journalism magazine or newspaper and talk to people in PERSON again.
Long form conversational journalism done correctly, could be the equivalent of a vaccine for conspiracistsitis.
Matt Taibbi is on the ball I like listening to him
th-cam.com/video/uMEILpLmIrs/w-d-xo.html How can Matt Taibbi act like he is not part of the problem? He is a liberal hack just like 90% of the media.
You gotta get money outta the news and politics. That will suddenly fix it.
“Umbrellas Up” podcast by This American Life about the Hong Kong protests is a must listen to!
Caesar-Manuel Duverge ima listen n get back w you
Iliketosaybruh 6 you won’t regret it!
Caesar-Manuel Duverge I cant find it. Is it on youtube or a podcast app? I couldnt find it on either
Iliketosaybruh 6 I use Apple podcasts but they have a website: www.thisamericanlife.org/686/umbrellas-up
"Within the news business they have this belief people cant handle difficult material, I dunno why that is"
Have you watched the news lately? I think it's the news people that cant handle difficult material
Thank you Joe and Matt Taibi for being journalists/ podcasters who tell the truth. And thank Mike Taibi for the same and for Matt!! Thank God we’re still have Y’all we can believe!
Nothing honest about Rogan or Taibbi.
@@peterstafford4426 The 2 are totally different but try and tell the truth. Taibi is one of the most honest journalists alive today. Hard to beat his standards.
@@peterstafford4426 funny I see you make these comments constantly yet don’t back it up with your thoughts why.
You sound like either a bot or someone who may have gone the way of the sheep that have zero reason why they dislike something but say something anyway.
@@pattytracey3131 Nothing honest about him. He pushed the BS that Jan 6th was not anything to worry about. That makes him a right wing fascist. He has zero standards.
As for me, I only want quick news hits now because I'm tired of the media going on about how I should feel about the headlines and what's going to happen in the future. Just the facts ma'am.
Just came back from a book fair. The room was filled with people buying and browsing everything, and they were young and old, men and women; every colour, belief system or creed under one roof...
People are willing to read and want to be informed. They don’t want to be condescended to and told to just follow one path...
As if the Rolling Stone will ever be on the forefront of journalistic integrity 🙄
RS is awful. They prop up Terry Richardson who make Jeffery Epstein look like Gloria Steinem 😡. They lied & distorted items about UVA, Charlottesville.
@@DavidLLambertmobile definitely RS is full of faults but Matt has done some pretty good in depth investigative articles over the years.
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I'm here because, after watching a number of these, Joe seems to NOT really have a narrative. We know some of his opinions but he lets his guests talk. He always seems very interested and always lets his guests get their info out - regardless of their speaking ability. He doesn't interrupt them. I think the big reason he can do this is because of his lack of time restraints. I was shocked at how he let Edward Snowden carefully get his info out. It was like getting the book version of Snowden.
Business journalism is the only side of it that makes any money anymore
Hunter S. Thompson had a quote about television journalism. This quote is featured in Charlie Le Duff's latest book "Sh!t Show." Both of you should host him immediately.
movies and tv as well
Props to this guy for being honest and joe rogan i trust you! Pls don't let us down! Keep doing what you are doing, the world is watching!
Naw, Joe will always shoot straight... It's who he is.
If Robby lawler and James Irwin had a baby
He's the poor man's Billy Zane
People cut in at random times on live TV. It's hard to do anything longer than a few minutes when that's the case
Get david icke on the podcast!!!!!!
Dude! David on the show is long overdue 👍
Neitherside News... Sounds like he's taking about Tim Pool's baby project, Subverse News.
I just came to see who would make this comment. Matt says that he thinks it would be really popular but I feel like subverse is kinda boring and hard the be excited for new videos.
Tim Pool is infuriatingly non-committal.
@@oldkinglog8209 it's complicated
@@chasemc69 staightforward news *is* boring. That's what matt is talking about with the, for profit outrage clickbaity news.
Great conversation!
Tim Pool's "Subverse " channel IS doing what Matt started off talking about.
“I don’t have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It’s a depression. Everybody’s out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel’s worth. Banks are going bust. Shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there’s nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there’s no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that’s the way it’s supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. They’re crazy. It’s like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don’t go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is: ‘Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won’t say anything. Just leave us alone.’
Well, I’m not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get MAD! I don’t want you to protest. I don’t want you to riot - I don’t want you to write to your congressman, because I wouldn’t know what to tell you to write. I don’t know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you’ve got to get mad. (shouting) You’ve got to say: ‘I’m a human being, god-dammit! My life has value!’
So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell: ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take this anymore!’
I want you to get up right now. Sit up. Go to your windows. Open them and stick your head out and yell - ‘I’m as mad as hell and I’m not gonna take this anymore!’ Things have got to change. But first, you’ve gotta get mad!…You’ve got to say, ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take this anymore!’ Then we’ll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first, get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take this anymore!’"
Network laid it all out. We've been on that same track for 50 years.
is that that Sydney lumet movie?
The documentary discussing 'Monsanto' is called Outfoxxed. This is the downside of Privatized corporate Capitalist journalism.
Get Bill O’Reilly on the podcast please Joe!!!
Neither Side News!!! I’m in!!!
Why doesn't newscast create a podcast-style format? Stream it on all platforms, if they haven't started already.
"FIRST WE FEAST" is real news. 😂
Subvers is a breath of fresh air.
So many of these answers can be explained in Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky.
Most of the people in this comment section aren't smart enough to comprehend Noam Chomsky.
I don't see journalists as jokes but as collaborators.
Journalism was NEVER on track to begin with, it's only in the last couple of decades that we've gradually been able to see that it wasn't.
Thomas Carroll I agree.
It's been off like this since before everybody watching this video was born. People just realize it now.
I'm a journalist and I talk about this all the time. It's terrible.
They need to get paid more like teachers
Non editorialized news is now being done
One of them is called news voice
Not only do the journalists have to report "accurate information," but people need to stop falling for sensationalism.
I don't even trust the weatherman even less the news anchors.
Bias isn’t the problem. Dishonesty is the problem.
Lawyers that run ads during daytime TV, no credit used car salesmen, then there are Journalists.
If you like hearing from this guest or are interested in what he has to say, check out Useful Idiots podcast. Matt and Katie are great hosts
1:55 - Basically Tim Pool.
Aside from Pool’s ultra click bait headlines.
Proof that it’ll never happen is that this clip has the least number of views.
Tim Pool is at least *attempting* the "No Side News" idea with his "subverse" network. I won't say it's necessarily catching on, but people have definitely had the idea.
I just think we're too polarized for it to work. The cynical side of me thinks this'll be demonstrated in any comments that might accrue in reply to mine.
The Subverse stuff is pretty well done. Tim's other channel gets a bit much sometimes, but he's still interesting to watch.
Fun drinking game, watch tim and take a number of shots for when he says:
1-left
2-its complicated
3-democracts
4-mixed race
5-censorship
@@kilalawak70 lmao I really wish he would reel it in with "it's complicated" or "it's nuanced"
Tim Pool picked his side a long time ago..hes a clown
Crazy how Season 5 of The Wire tried to show us the trend
I’ve got time for this
I feel the same, but for video games too. No AAA studio dares to stray from cash grabbing simplistic multiplayer games.
It's called "BBC"
PBS doesn’t editorialize. It’s out there, it’s just that people don’t really don’t want no editorializing.
Social media is the downfall of a lot of things it’s made to be another addiction
A lot of people are mentally lazy
Barrett brown please joe
Is he intentionally skipping over Tim Pool or is Tim calling it like it is and that's not good for him.
short attention span has killed old school journalism. time to adapt rather than be bitter.
Meanwhile Joe Rogan has 3 hour podcasts, that get listened to all the way through ;-)
I blame the 24 hour news cycle. Any "news" outlet is 15 minutes of information and 23 hours and 45 minutes of opinion and ads.
"neitherNews" would be popular, but they may not make as much ad revenue. It would be interesting to see what would happen.
Someone like Jack Dorsey with his billions should start as Neither Side News which is only about reporting news, in depth and clearly without a bias and where the owner has zero control over the stories. No editorials and no editorial line dictated by a press baron owner, no opinion pieces, no columnists. Does not show adverts so not driven by clicks and people can pay on a Patreon model.
The reason I suggest someone like Dorsey is because he's got enough money to do this and fund it / subsidise it and his creation Twitter, alongside other forms of social media such as Facebook, has massively damaged how the media works, how public discourse works globally, created increasing levels of polarisation and has, when its pros and cons have been netted out, become a curse on humanity.
Him or a Zuckerberg or an equivalent owes this to the public.
WELL ONE WAY TO GET JOURNALISM BACK ON TRACK IS FOR PEOPLE TO LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EDITORIAL AND OPINION COMPARED TO ACTUAL NEWS.
I think Taibbi is seriously underestimating how many people are absolutely hungering for more information with more nuance.
He actually said the opposite
They seem to assume it was ever on track to begin with.
It was a hell of a lot more on track just 20 years ago. I remember when the news had next to no opinion in it. The creation of 24 hour news stations ruined journalism and journalistic integrity by introducing opinion as factual news.
@@AndrewAnstrom no opinion sure. At least no obvious opinion. Instead we had one sided anchors deciding what the "facts" were.
In Sweden the magazines get a lot of money from the government- it doesn’t make it one god damned bit better. It makes the articles longer and more provocative since it SHOWS how they believe the ideology more than reality or citizens. They are an upper class that do not care about other groups in society because of their narcissism.
Subverse and tim pool. He is the entrepreneur to take all the news back to where it was.
9:50 time is critical, meow!
Don't blame the audience. There are enough that want details and do work for them already. A source with details telling the public what needs to be known to make good decisions would be invaluable to enough to support that source. Other will catch on and increase their attention span or get left behind.
Funny that Joe brought up Elizabeth Holmes in this clip and on the latest ep he brought her up only by saying Matt sounds like her
It's not so much the industry's fault if you think about it. What is the point of investing when the general news consumer doesn't make the effort to be informed or even interested in being so.
We're stuck in a rut of spending choosing between quality time with your own brain or pushing a few buttons and getting that endorphin hit.
I get totally aggravated by the bumper sticker news of the mainstream media. I prefer documentaries that explain a subject.
Have the courage to start telling the truth...that would be a start for all “journalists” Real social warriors like John Pilger put these fake actors to shame (If they had any) I do have respect for Matt though.
Or make criminal journalists scared of lying.
Knowing what goes on in the world is extremely important to all of us. People have always had opinions. Money and avarice have always been in the human experience. The printed word changed the course of humanity. The printing press freed the human race from feudalism. Journalism has had a profound and positive effect on freedom. Creating a pejorative ideal around journalism is foolish and dangerous. Think for yourself and research the sources of the info you read.
Wow, somebody who gets it
Study "Edward Bernays" to understand the war on our minds.
Study Buddhism (Vippassana Meditation) to understand your mind.
Well the fact that Rogan doesn't have an editor and says things that ARE FUCKING WRONG and giving incorrect info, is a problem.
You break it up in segments
Joe always talks about how America has to come together. And then talks shit about The Republicans.
How did CEOs of media corporations BECOME CEOs? Not because they underestimate the audience's critical thinking skills, curiosity, or attention spans. It is because like 'consent' ... the audience's capacity has been 'manufactured'. It is a deliberately 'manufactured short attention span' as a business model for short-term profits and to protect the ruling class.
Japan, where I live, has more of a cultural conceit regarding 'group harmony' rather than 'individual freedom' ... but the ruling elite applies similar tricks. Similar to the oxymoron of Chomsky and Herman's 'Manufacturing Consent', Stephen Vlastos's book of academic essays is entitled 'Invented Traditions of Modern Japan'.
This is part of a larger, only partially subconscious 'mission-creep / mission-drift' towards a civilization in decline because of the brute-blind ambition of concentrating power. I specify 'civilization' because we are talking about something bigger than a single nation-state.
I have lived in Japan for 36 years now, and have taught in both Japanese and American colleges (Associate Prof. as well as disposable Adjunct Prof.) and Japan, despite marketing its 'cultural exceptionalism' for tourist dollars, is similarly in decline. While Japan has the world's 3rd largest economy, its mass media and higher education are both ranked even lower (about 70th among 140 nations) than U.S. counterparts for those institutions.
Harvard Professor of political philosophy Michael Sandel defines 'corruption' as the replacing of higher values with lower values. I would say the higher values are those values associated with communities, not institutions. Communities tend to be small enough, less than Dunbar's number, to allow for relatively egalitarian, empathy-driven moralities. We can identify and relate to everyone in the community based on unique, individual relationships. And though even families, gangs, and communities can be led by bullies, small groups are better able to identity and constrain those dark-triad personality types.
Institutions, on the other hand, are large, bureaucratic, hierarchical economies of scale ... 'efficient' only for the dark-triad personality types (narcissists, machiavellian opportunists, and psychopaths) which are at the top of the hierarchies, and providing lots of niche opportunities to game the system along the way. As Lao Tzu once put it ... 'The more laws the country, the more evil the people.', Once the dark-triads build the empire at the expense of communities, and take over the top ... they reserve empathy-driven morality only for themselves, the small gated community at the top, and outsource the cost of stripping human emotional needs to the disposable human capital which keeps the hierarchy so steep ... at least until those at the top vampirize the majority so much, that it all eventually comes tumbling down like every 'Tower of Babel'.
The first casualty of war is truth.
Make no mistake, we are in the closing days of a class war that has already been lost.
Both legitimate journalism and the liberal-arts ideals of education in critical thinking skills are casualties of corruption, and without everyone being allowed to live up to their potential as sustainable social primates, even the gated communities will have no one left to tend the walls.
As Jared Diamond says in 'Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed', regarding the failed Norse colony in Greenland 500 years ago - 'Ultimately, though, the chiefs found themselves without followers. The last right that they obtained for themselves was the privilege of being the last to starve.'
Diamond, Jared. Collapse (p. 276). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
I rest my case with what I expect will be a VERY small number, if any, of upvotes or downvotes, comments, or dialogue which indicate little motivation to even read what I have written here.
"How can we influence the world if people think we're a joke?" Its far too late to ask yourself such a stupid question. Shame on you. Shame shame shame.
th-cam.com/video/uMEILpLmIrs/w-d-xo.html How can Matt Taibbi act like he is not part of the problem? He is a liberal hack just like 90% of the media.
Rising (on Hill TV) with Krystal Ball and Sagaar, An independent media that has the traditional tv feel I would 100% recommend watching.
Would also be great to get them on JRE
Krystal Ball is a liberal hack
@@tyronebiggums1047 but neither a right wing nor corporate hack.
@@progKansas the original poster said it was "independent" tv. I was simply saying she is not independent, she is a left wing hack. And I'm sure she is also a corporate hack. Do you really think she would "speak truth to power" when it comes to the corporation that signs HER paycheck?....
@@tyronebiggums1047 I take her words over " Gone Establishment" Bill Maher.
@@progKansas of course you would take a left wing hacks word. Your name you chose is "prog" and anyone who puts "progressive" as a describer of themselves is most likely a left wing hack too.
I always hate that we blame the lack of resources. Journalism has always been activated partisanship. What do you think muckraking was? Lol
Maybe critical thinking skills should be taught as early as possible then people will be better at spotting bs.
joe rogan is the worlds most trusted man
I think the best news would be here's the thing we're talking abt, here's the opinion of the guy doing it, here's the opinion of the guy affected by it, now you go make up ur own opinion
Thumbnail had a pic of Walter Cronkite.
Other than being a much better liar. Walter Cronkite was no better than the current crop of journalists. He was always pushing a political and social agenda.
TH-cam news is kind of the happy medium. The kind of thing that Tim Pool is doing, among a few others. Taibbi should hop in on this stuff; especially since there aren't enough lefties doing it.
Stars Die Tim Pool is as bad as the rest, just on the conservative side.
a) Tim Pool is a useful idiot...
b) Matt has a YT channel, satirically called, "useful idiots".
Tell the unbiased and falsifiable TRUTH!
Philip DeFranco
Got rid of fact checkers? Awesome
Journalism will be back but unfortunately it’s gonna be because of a cautionary tale
Attention span is tied to the persons interest in the subject. In short clips, the journalist needs to get the person interested in the subject and then go deeper and deeper into the subject with longer video clips. Sitting through 2.5 hours isn't problem if you're getting better and important information. The Trump impeachment crap will turn off the viewer in 2 minutes, if they can't make a case. If you're over 50, anti-aging technology and methodologies could hold your attention for hours, assuming the video has something worthwhile to offer.
There's an political TV show in Russian which being aired 5 times a weak and is 2 - 3 h long and it is one of most popular shaws there and also countries that speaks Russian. Just saying
Is it objective or sensationalised? Is it critical of Putin, in any way?
@@BorungBoy thay mostly talk about geopolitical topics like Ukraine and USA and so on and have alway 2 kide of people there one who are against Russian and one for Russian