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- Onboard lap on the original and historic old F1 track layout of the Spa-Francorchamps circuit in the Belgian Ardennes countryside.
Narrated by Lucien Bianchi 1962 (Eng Subs)
Total length of the old legendary track: 14.120 km (8.774 mi)
Official Lap record: 3'13,4" made by Henri Pescarolo in a Matra in 1973 during the free practice of the Spa 1000 km World Sportscar Championship race but the fastest ever recorded time on old Spa is 3'12.7" by Jacky Ickx
Well known corners and sections of the track: La Source | Eau Rouge | Raidillon | Kemmel Straight | Les Combes | Burnenville | Malmédy | Masta | Hollowell | Stavelot | La Carriére | Blanchimont | Clubhouse
Formula 1 Belgian Grand Prix winners on this layout:
1970 Pedro Rodriguez - BRM
1968 Bruce McLaren - McLaren-Ford
1967 Dan Gurney - Eagle-Weslake
1966 John Surtees - Ferrari
1965 Jim Clark - Lotus-Climax
1964 Jim Clark - Lotus-Climax
1963 Jim Clark - Lotus-Climax
1962 Jim Clark - Lotus-Climax
1961 Phil Hill - Ferrari
1960 Jack Brabham - Cooper-Climax
1958 Tony Brooks - Vanwall
1956 Peter Collins - Ferrari
1955 Juan Manuel Fangio - Mercedes
1954 Juan Manuel Fangio - Maserati
1953 Alberto Ascari - Ferrari
1952 Alberto Ascari - Ferrari
1951 Giuseppe Farina - Alfa Romeo
1950 Juan Manuel Fangio - Alfa Romeo
clever editing at the end there. great video!
Thanks!
This track is so good.
So dangerous, scary and beautiful corners!
Someone once tried in the night but crashed at Masta left/right. Lots of people usually does but better having friends checking on the cops. I did a walk around and some randoms rallyes happen anytime as they open les combes and le raccordement. High speeds are naturally forbidden unless security can be guaranteed.(never happens) Ask Jacky Stewart his word about old layout.
I mean, spa is superlong with the current layout, but this is just huuuuuuuuge
Yeah, spectators saw each car only 28 times back then.
That is why it's called road racing. They were literally racing on the public roads until the 1970s in much of Europe. LeMans is still public roads for much of the lap. Mulsanne is a public road for 50 weeks of the year.
Merveilleuse vidéo ! L'ancien tracé de Spa est exceptionnel avec une histoire fabuleuse, le grand prix de Belgique moto de 1977 est l'un des plus spectaculaires avec le duel Sheene - Rougerie
they should have a le mans style endurance race on this extended course
MAX Percentage Not possible. Spa is a public road which is used by heavy vehicles which create ruts and is flanked by trees, earth banks, small cliffs and houses. It was antiquated in the 60s and there is simply no possibility of reinstating it for contemporary motorsport. Two drivers, Chris Bristow and Alan Stacey, were killed at the 1960 Grand Prix. Even touring car races were extremely dangerous at Spa. Three drivers were killed in the 1973 24 hour race, including Massimo Larini, uncle of Nicola Larini. The circuit is so long that it can be dry on one side and wet on the other. This happens more often than you might think. That was bad enough in the 1960s but would be unthinkable now.
@@thethirdman225 LeMans is still public roads for much of the lap. Mulsanne is a public road for 50 weeks of the year.
@@phoenix0282 Nonetheless, nobody is going to reinstate the old Spa circuit. It would be virtually impossible to make it safe anyway.
Invocatione Edo Tensei The circuit is no longer complete. There’s a bit missing at Malmedy and another at Stavelot (the real one, not the current one, which is actually a lot closer to La Source). They are not insignificant sections of track. If you have a look at Google Maps you can probably see for yourself. A road race would be impossible because the track hasn’t been maintained for 45 years anyway. A rally would probably work though. The problem with Spa has always been the speeds and the possibility of rain on one side of the circuit. Stewart was very clear about this back in the 1970s.
Jimmy Broadbent did a lap in a modern F1 around the 1966 track (Assetto Corsa?) and found it was virtually flat out for the entire lap. From memory, he only braked at Haute de la Cote and La Source. That sort of thing doesn’t make for interesting circuit racing.
To further on from 'The Third Man's most valid comments...
Even if the original circuit was complete, the liable aspects of staging even a 'rallying' event at the original Spa would be colossal.
Imagine the audience an event on the full circuit would generate. Now imagine one or more of those modern machines coming off at 220, 240 mph (400 kmh) and repeating the tragedy of Le Mans 1955 through the crowd. Motor racing of all kind would likely be outlawed, worldwide, in a proverbial heart beat.
Coincidently, the commentator of this video's grand nephew's tragic and idiotic death (Jules) very nearly was the death knell for the now overly safe Formula One, such was the outcry of the danger of car racing at the very echelons.
Superbe conduite de Lucien Bianchi sur route ouverte et en sécurité
What a lovely video. You can feel how the uploader of this video is in heart with this track
Is this really old layout? OMG so fucking great they have changed it, it just seems like full throttle 98% of the time in F1 car
Yes it is. Henri Pescarolo has the lap record on it with a time of 3'13,4" on a Matra with an average speed of 262,461 km/h. They stopped racing on the old track because it was way too dangerous, many drivers lost their lives there.
You gotta remember, F1 cars were way sketchier to drive back then, it seems like older tracks suit older cars better, and newer tracks suit newer cars
Back then the tracks were faster and more dangerous....a time when safety was not in the language !
Yes, drivers wanted safer and also more challenging race courses.
F1 cars in the late sixties were capable of 180-190 mph, geared for Spa. They had no aero, no downforce at all until 68/ 69 and ran on hard treaded tyres. At this circuit, it was all about steering on the throttle, little dabs or pushes of the brakes on the way in, little lifts of the throttle to allow the car to oversteer and turn in, then feeding the power back in to get the rear back under control with all four wheels drifting at anywhere between 150 and 180 mph. Pretty spectacular. The long straights allowed for slipstreaming and overtaking, and there's something inherently beautiful about race cars running through miles of open countryside, especially to a soundtrack of Ferrari or Matra V12 engines screaming along at the redline. Those old road circuits had character. Spa was notorious for its ability to have pouring rain on parts of the circuit, and be dry on others. Not only that, in some parts of the circuit, you had trees one side of the road, and a forty foot drop the other, houses, brick walls, spectators...you name it. It was hugely dangerous, and drivers were taking their lives in their hands every time they raced there. If you want to get a better idea of what racing was like here, the 1966 film "Grand Prix" will give you a good idea. I'm sure you'll find clips on here. If you imagine that it was just a dull parade of cars going round at full throttle, it was anything but. If you want to get some idea of what it felt like to drive, grab yourself a copy of Grand Prix Legends, then download the Spa 67 circuit, which is the most accurate rendition of the old Spa in a sim. It's quite a ride. 😊
Des voitures en sens inverses plus des maisons de chaque côtés
Et l’autre qui roule comme un Fangio
Bravo !!!
Some extra rich man from the petroleum kingdoms should make the track rebuild in some desertic area, of course with proper escape areas... maybe with styrofoam houses, styrofoam trees and telephone poles to recreate the thrills of racing in those days!
Probably cardboard from scrap or used boxes would do the job
There's a channel called GPlaps, he has a passion for historic cars & tracks and raced the old layout with 50s cars. Really crazy, especially in connection with the parts you know from the current layout.
The GPL legends track from old Spa is pretty accurate,i saw it in GPL laps
@@senicegy The original GPL layout wasn’t very accurate. The replacement one is very good.
Yes the new version looking good,i got it.@@thethirdman225
Perfeito! Nunca deveria ser alterado. O som do carro da muita adrenalina👍
Lol took my nephew karting a couple of weeks ago and did not realize I drove all these hallowed roads which were part of the track in the past😊.
Hey man great video very well made good job! and superbe ending :)
The lap record of the old triangle-shaped track is 3 minutes and 13.4 seconds, held by the French driver Henri Pescarolo, driving a Matra at the 1973 Spa 1000 km World Sportscar Championship race at an average speed of 262 kilometres per hour (163 mph). Many drivers lost their lives at the old track, in all sorts of motorsports categories (notably a lot during the Spa 24 hours race), it was a wise decision it got revamped, because the old track simply had become way too dangerous for fast modern racing.
funnily enough motorbike men raced it right until the end in 1978 ... and started straight away at the new track in 1979...which was a less perfect race meeting
Totally agree.
I wish the camera had been positioned higher up, so we could see more of the road, and further ahead.
This is a very interesting video. Thank you very much!
This was really nice, now lets cut it together with a clip from a trackday? At the end there.
old spa wonderful circiut so fast
Perfect idea!
Great video
ace work, thank you
Super vidéo
very interesting..thank you
Lucien Bianchi was Jules Bianchi's Great Uncle.
perfect track layout to break world records for the fastest f1 car.
How would that improve the racing?
@@thethirdman225 he said fastest laps/world records, I'm imagining some kind of redbull-like stunt or something
Great idea.
Oh, and you should combine this with your track day footage, make it a "proper" lap :) looks like you got the skills to make seamless edit :D
Masta “S” known as the Masta Kink.
Would love to see F1 do this today.
It would be basically pointless.
Only MGU-H have their function on this old track when modern F1 car is running, haha
How did you do 3:47/8?? Awesome!!
Pure magic :)
Blending of 2 different camera shots
Am I right in saying the narrator is Jules Bianchi's grandfather?
Lucien was Jules granduncle
Coconut oh ok. RIP to both of them though
Nice! Where is this audio from!
From a film of Lucien Bianchi driving an Aston Martin DB4GT Zagato - just search 1962 Spa and the clip will come up. The speed is relatively slow because it was not a race day although GT cars were practising - a VW Beetle can be seen going in the opposite direction at Eau Rouge.
Great description! But is this legal? 😆
The video is sped up
who cares, slow doesn't mean safe
ALIENdrifter66 so hitting the wall at walking pace will kill you apparently
Damián Moon who cares?
What car did he use?
It's an Audi A5 with some sort of sport exhaust
alex Bruce it’s dubbed over lol. Those are stock af
In 1962 Lucien Bianchi used an Aston Martin DB4GT Zagato. He is going relatively slowly because the road was open - in the original film from which the sound was taken a VW Beetle can be seen coming down Eau Rouge in the opposite direction.
Is the track the same as back then?
Exactly the same, apart from the little chicane on the roundabout
@@Coconut_54 also the part after malmedy chicane is totally built over, although resembles the original as it is a straight
camera too low
Where is chicane da Masta?
at 1'51" you can see the Masta S, it never was a "real" chicane
Was known as Masta Kink.
Des Hunaudières also has always had 2 kinks. Look it up, if you are unaware of what I write.
What if they use the old layout for today's grand prix, and so with Monza's 10KM layout?
The amount of barriers that would have to be put in place, runoff's, repaving, etc. - it would be completely cost-prohibitive.
Jason Lee Not possible. Spa is a public road which is used by heavy vehicles which create ruts and is flanked by trees, earth banks, small cliffs and houses. It was antiquated in the 60s and there is simply no possibility of reinstating it for contemporary motorsport. Two drivers, Chris Bristol and Alan Stacey, were killed at the 1960 Grand Prix. Even touring car races were extremely dangerous at Spa. Three drivers were killed in the 1973 24 hour race, including Massimo Larini, uncle of Nicola Larini. The circuit is so long that it can be dry on one side and wet on the other. This happens more often than you might think. That was bad enough in the 1960s but would be unthinkable now.
I mean, you can see the current Spa (black lines) with the old Spa. The latter is *huge.*
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Car a4 audi
sur route ouverte ... totalement inconscient ... voir criminel !
La vidéo est accéleré
Just like the Nordschleife, this tracks was just too dangerous and not too challenging.
Nuerburgring not too challenging? You kidding?
Norschleife not challenging? HAHAHAHAH!!!
I’m assuming this is bait, not as if a three time world champion called it the green hell or anything 😂
Why should humanity disappear? Because apparently lots of us seem to think this is 'great stuff'. It's just like the rest our enterprizes though: utterly unnecessary and ridiculous. I applaud all who crash by themselves, or into idiots like them.They won't get a chance to hurt others. So please PLEASE find a fast engine and a big block of concrete. Leave a corpse behind. Not a goodlooking one. Just one that doesn't move anymore and can't cause any more harm.
What...?
I'm pretty sure hes driving slowly and put it on fast forward to match the audio from 1962
what car did he use ??
In 1962 Lucien Bianchi used an Aston Martin DB4GT Zagato