The scientific case against face masks
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- UnHerd's Freddie Sayers meets Dr. Margery Smelkinson and Dr. Leslie Bienen to discuss the efficacy of face masks.
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Studies mentioned:
2021 CDC study: www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/w...
2022 Massachusetts study: www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...
2020 Danish study: www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/...
2020 Bangladesh study: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34855...
Revisiting the Bangladesh study: www.argmin.net/2021/11/23/mas...
2021 Catalonia study: adc.bmj.com/content/early/202...
2021 Finland study: adc.bmj.com/content/early/202...
Cochrane study: adc.bmj.com/content/early/202...
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// TIMECODES //
00:00 - 02:55 - Introduction
02:55 - 06:08 - What is the overall assessment of masks?
06:08 - 07:00 - Studies that prove mask-wearing is effective
07:00 - 11:28 - When you extend the time period, the positive effect of masking goes away
11:28 - 13:55 - Some of the most persuasive studies on masking
13:55 - 16:17 - Another important study
16:17 - 20:48 - Why should we focus on lower-quality studies, when we have better-controlled studies?
20:48 - 22:28 - What happened to masking in other countries?
22:28 - 26:31 - A message to parents who want kids to wear masks
26:31- 27:42 - Concluding thoughts
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FOIA docs in The Netherlands flat out state that it was to test the degree of compliance.
It's about behaviour control.
I'm not pro, but they said the same thing in Ontario. That doesn't mean it can't work. Behaviour control is what was required at some level. Like not forgetting your don't rush over and kiss your best friend. Or getting people who were reluctant to go to work to go, because the government told them they would be safe. If they had really planed it out for mind control they probably would have had a more consistent message, and they wouldn't have jumped all over it, like Fauci who took all positions on masks.
There is this theory that the US government promotes and teaches torture through the College of the Americas, and that CIA manual. But one of the contrary positions, at least about it all being about that is that methods of torture vary highly, all around the world, including all the places the US has control in. Tends to indicate that other than stuff like selling gear, a lot of it isn't all that standardized.
@@HondoTrailside It wasn't planned for mind control.
It was a test.The level of compliance is a good indication for how quick/slow they can roll out the next thing on their agenda. The more compliance the faster they can move forward.
The constantly changing viewpoints on mask wearing creates confusion and a confused mind is easier to control/influence. It's by design and it's a well known tactic.
I disagree with things not being standardised.
At this very moment the US talks about banning stoves on gas. The exact same thing is on the agenda in Belgium. There's clearly a script to be followed. If you didn't notice that during the last 3 years then you didn't pay attention at all. It can't get more obvious than it is now.
Hi neva Honda and others, just joining your discussion to agree with you, but to perhaps qualify the reason why government so strongly pushed the ‘mask up !’ (Or else!) mandates being to considerable extent a protocol intended to reinforce the mentality that the government is capable of addressing the problems with a potentially deadly emergent (‘new’)& highly contagious pathogen.
So as long as they appear to have a partial response to this crisis our incentive, need or inclination to consider other approaches is kept from gaining much traction. In that sense it is very much about staying in control and preserving power.
That is obviously a totally distinct agenda from resolving the crisis via a more diversified set of available solutions and no I don’t mean vaccines.
Posted day 14/23 from Canada by not-mardon account user
@@HondoTrailside, "Behavior control" didn't work either. This virus spread all over the world. Everyone who hasn't had it yet will likely get it in the next year or two. This was just about the worst possible response that could have been taken. No lives were saved. We borrowed to spend trillions that our great grandchildren will have to pay off. We caused psychological damage that will last generations. All that, and the virus is now endemic everywhere in the world. This is a lesson that we have to learn.
@@HondoTrailside arming people with information isnt the same thing as behavior control. Thats Statist level brainwashed thinking.
No discussion of the harm so far. The harm to communication, socialization, respiratory health is huge! It is as if this obvious negative effect does not exist.
And the tons of excess medical waste dumped in the ocean. Which is part of the food supply.
mafia's doing what it can to succeed.
Air will flow in the path of least resistance. If you don’t tape a mask all the way around the edges there will openings. Masks do absolutely nothing to stop a virus.
And the harm to _normal behaviour_ in everyday life.
"For the first time in history the ineffectiveness of a medicine is being blamed on those who refuse to take it." ~ Dr. Robert Malone
The topic is masks. Masks are not medicine.
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Possibly we should question the effectiveness of all medicines! Read, “WHAT REALLY MAKES YOU ILL?” Lets stop assuming the medical research is valid!
Driving around (alone) while masked up, bicycling/jogging while masked, walking down the street with nobody around while masked up and thinking that does anything at all to keep us "safer" equates to either a truly "special" kind of stupid, or theatrics meant to scare more into jabbing up.
People in general are highly stupid.
Or being on a beach sans mask but immediately masking up when stepping off the beach onto the street and , even better, seeing a guy playing in the ocean with a mask on !! Or a guy sunbathing on a very empty beach with a mask on for the whole time. Or the housewife who masks up to put laundry out on the balcony of her house. I think the government has made people to be so fearful of a virus that is as dangerous as a cold or flu to most people. We are surrounded by sheeple. This angers me so much.
@@joyduncan9434 I hear you. Unfortunately, working with people my entire adult life, I'm not suprised. People are generally stupid, don't know how to think for themselves, and need/want "big government" to tell them how to live.
@@joyduncan9434 no kidding, wearing a mask into a restaurant and then sitting down and taking it off to eat. conforming to absolute stupidity
The only time in my life I have driven past a police car and felt legitimate fear was when I was driving in my car on my own without a mask. A law abiding thinker - thankfully, they kept driving but I will never forget that feeling. How easy it is to become one of the wanted.
For those who advocate for masks, go ahead and organize a high quality randomized study. It's been over 3 damn years, There's no valid excuse for public health agencies to Continue to advocate for masks Without Acquiring the necessary, high quality data
There have been numerous RCTs conducted testing mask efficacy. Results are not favorable for the mask zealots.
If they did come up with such a quality study that showed effectiveness, how likely are you to change your mind, if you're being completely honest?
Hasn't what has transpired in the PRC lately - viral 'surges' over and over again despite universal masking - a pretty good real world study? I'd say yes. I'd also say that, given that there is always some nasty virus circulating somewhere, does this mean that mask advocates suggest we all wear masks FOREVER?
Agreed
There are tons of those studies in Asia going back decades for the flu and cold. That's why mask wearing is more widespread in the region compared to the West. This interview mentioned not a single study out of a major, advanced Asian country despite the fact there are massive amounts of data available. Seoul National University, Tokyo National University, Singapore National University, others have all done studies showing mask wearing reduces the risk (not eliminate).
I needed to go to a coupleo of private hospitals recently. Dec i parked the car and noticed EVERYONE leaving the building were wearing masks (children included) - went into reception'Please put on a mask!' before I got through the door.........'I dont want to where one' I said - the receptionist left me to go into the waiting room - Where everyone is wearing a mask. My nurse came to me for my appt. She asked me to wear a mask. I said I dont want to wear one. She asked me if Ihad an exemption......I said yes......she asked what was the exemption for......I said I dont want to discuss as it is private. Things finished there. THen I noticed half the nurses where not wearing their masks correctly showing they dont really believe the need. THEN this week I went to another hospital. No one asked me to put one one BUT everyone was wearing one. The specialist I saw wasnt wearing one.......althogh he had one close to hand for the MASK POLICE perhaps.........this is the world we live in now. HOW INCREDIBLEy DYSTOPIAN
Just curious, what is the correct way to wear a mask that doesn’t actually preform its said function. Are you demonstrating enough fear if have it tucked under your chin or is that too rebellious?
Chin straps, lol.
Was attending hospital yesterday and every attendee in the reception area was surgical masked, I went through the double doors into work area and no staff were masked...
I once tried that with a girl, if she would have sex without condom, guess what, no sex that night 😂 but even after I told her it’s only 87% effectiveness on some studies and 98% in others, not 100% prevention of unwanted pregnancies / stds. Surely she should just have read those tiny disclaimers on the Condom box no? Why use condoms when it’s not 100% fail safe? 😅
The “CDC guidance” is what has hospitals and other medical facilities requiring masks.
Unlike Pelosi who wore them as a fashion statement to match her other attire ;)
I live in Hong Kong and we're still required by law to wear masks, even outside. It's anti-scientific, anti-human and very frustrating to still be in this situation.
Wow, I've found you at last! I thought I was the only one in HK who hadn't gone crazy! So now there are two of us. I hope you didn't fall for the other trick with the needle either. I have been made to feel like a criminal for the past 3 years every time I dare to go outside my own door without a mask and risk being fined for something that should never have been enforced here and in fact never needed to as most of the people here happily wear those face nappies anyway without any coercion. During SARS when it was not mandated, I was the only one on the MTR who wasn't wearing one of those damned things and amazingly me and my family survived.
The most ridiculous thing about HK's current reason for wearing masks is that the "experts" say they worked so well protecting us from all viruses that we now have no immunity against flu and common colds and for this reason we need to keep wearing them.
@@daveshongkongchinachannel By their "logic" you'll be wearing them forever then.
@@peterhatch6242 Sadly that is the level of intelligence our top officials are operating at.
That's because the CCP rule Hong Kong now
Were there not a bunch of studies done before the pandemic that showed little to no effect? Yes. Was there not a reason that we hadn't been wearing masks before the pandemic because it was widely accepted that they didn't work? Isn't there are reason we didn't mask up or lockdown for any of the other major outbreaks? We had a plan to deal with these kind of pandemics but, for whatever reason with this one they threw all of that out the window. How many years of medical knowledge and experience was completely ignored during this pandemic? How many medical professionals that were speaking out against all of this at the very beginning of all of this were silenced and ignored? Seriously people, this isn't new information and you guys should have known better!
Yes. There were many mask studies before the pandemic and the studies concluded that masks did not work. Mark Berber MD
In some ways I find it irrelevant whether masks prevent the spread of disease or not: mandating face coverings is utterly wrong in my opinion. Maybe if everyone was forced to run 5km a day there would be less disease spread, as population immunity would be built up. But to enforce this would be wrong.
I think the real issue comes in at 18 mins in, when Lesley says that in universities “The accepted dogma is to wear a mask because… you know, why not?” Many people wear face masks because they want to be seen to be “doing something”. It’s as scientific as that. And on the part of the authorities, having a masked population makes people appear more compliant - it’s like a token of mass obedience. If most people are wearing face masks, the general impression is that there’s danger out there, and this makes people easier to control.
Agreed. The message is that there is danger. That the danger is other people.
@Natalie Minnis Absolutely spot on comments!! That is exactly what has been going on!
Exactly. The masks were the centerpiece of the "nudging" campaign,
And that is the very reason I did not want to wear one when everyone else was ... yet I was not allowed to be seen to be doing something: Sweden did something by not wearing masks yet people still do not get it.
I absolutely agree. A common response to my refusal to wear one is, "is it such a big deal?" followed up by "what makes you so special?" It's almost like they dont really want to do it either, but they feel compelled. Weird.
I wear respirators, full face and half masks at work. Dealing with chemicals, I have to know the appropriate filters to use. From day one when these 'face coverings' were introduced and mandated I knew it was a lie. I could fill a room with a heated toxic chemical whose particles measure between 5-14 microns. These particles will float around in an enclosed space for around 4 hours. Wearing my properly fitted Respirator and filter and protective overalls I can walk through the room without any adverse effects. Try that in a surgical or cloth mask/face covering. At 14 microns the particles are massive compared to the size of the virus. I could go on about how your skin and clothing could also be contaminated and without proper decontamination it's all a wasted exercise. As to protecting others? If I wear a hard hat does it protect your head? If I wear safety shoes does it protect your toes? If I wear safety goggles will your eyes be protected? Get real. If I wear a Respirator am I protecting you? No I am not, the exhaust valve that helps me expel my breath is not filtered. Masks were about conditioning you to be controlled nothing more.
Thank u. The argument about asia mask..it stopped nothing that’s why China has massive surge. Japan Korea… not even those countries r as insane with masks like here.
Mask to prevent u from spreading ur droplets. That’s it. N pollution n pollen in asia. ..they don’t wear mask to prevent sickness, I could barely breath in korea cause of the dust n pollen…
That would not always be the case. This was low lethality, and high infectiousness, next time it could be worse. Geert thinks we may reach next time, this time.The rise of agG4 is a worry.
@@HondoTrailside Define “worse” ?
The only positive about wearing a mask outside is you will catch pneumonia and that might stop you wearing them again...
@Hondo Trailside No he's spot on. A mask has to be fit tested, the person has to be clean shaven, and use it properly. Additionally it has to be an appropriate mask... N95 or higher.
All of this was an exercise in futility....
The last time I wore a mask was last June. That was in hospital when I have some minor surgery. I wore a mask, everyone else wore a mask, I was wrapped up in protective wrapping. this was on a Monday, on Friday I had covid. Masks are a personal germ factory.
I'm still waiting for the Vitamin C, D3, Zinc, regular exercise, 10k steps a day, 8 hours of sleep a night, and diet change mandates but for some reason I think they may not come. 🤔 🤷♀️
Unless these scumbags raise the price of those items to cover the losses on the vaccine that isn't a vaccine.
An Australian ended up in ICU, jabbed four times and was told by their doctor that it was because of the unvaccinated. You cannot write how stupid the majority on this planet are. Isn't the jab supposed to stop us ending up in hospital? Its all lies and the fallout will be on a scale never seen before.
In Sweden there hasn't been a mask mandate. I never wear a mask. I use hand sanatizers. That is all. I haven't even had a cold since 2019.
You can drop the cancerous hand sanitizers, too. Pure blood, haven’t been sick in 8 years. No masks, no cancer juice, no clot shots, no worry of fauci myocarditis
Stop using hand sanitizer. It kills the weak germs and leaves the strong germs alive and able to reproduce.
Your anecdote is not data. That mask-wearing prevents the spread of coronavirus is well-established scientifically.
@@shellyshelly9218 No it is not. Sweden had no mask mandates at all. Less people died here than the averege. A lot less than the US.
What do you think happens when people constantly touch their mask with their fingers? Masks are filthy...
Where do the aerosoles finaly end up? On the ground. Breathe with your nose an the aerosoles get pushed towards the ground much faster than if you breathe through a mask.
In Japan everybody is using masks all the time everywhere. To me that is a horror mass psychosis. Goes against evolution and makes the society inhuman. Not seeing peoples faces is extremely depressing.
Covid is not going to disappear. You have to live with it. And if healthy slim people are forced to wear masks I see that as Orwellian. A 1984 scenario.
Unhealthy people have agency. If you eat and drink shit...I won't wear a mask because of an obese person is at risk. That person doesn't care about his own health...so, why should I care about his health...
Hand sanitizers to being bullshit.
Pre- COVID pandemic plans never recommended the routine wearing of face masks.
This is all about social control and being seen to be doing something.
Also acted as a gateway to test compliance.
@Alister Edmond It's also been to give simple minded people, something to do to make them feel safe, much like the 'duck and cover' movies shown to school children during the cold war years.
@@dkeith45 multiple psychological effects from masking. It keeps the fear porn alive. It's a constant reminder that we are in a "deadly pandemic" so it's OK to suspend common sense & critical thinking skills. The authorities like the mask mandates because it keeps people fearful and, more important, COMPLIANT.
By claiming masks are an altruistic behavior to protect your neighbor, they were simply laying down the illogical framework that came with the vaccines
>> Getting vaccinated protects you and your loved ones. [This was NEVER true.]
>> Unvaccinated people are dangerous to everyone's health and wellbeing, and should get shunned.
In reality, the unvaccinated were NEVER a risk to anyone's health-- but they were a huge risk to maintaining the narrative. They divided society to keep the critical thinkers away from the lemmings, lest the compliant folks start waking up to the scam.
@@MK-ih6wp Well said!
Weird how I haven't caught covid. Wreck your lung capacity, idgaf
I am a pharmacist in oregon and OHA and my state board still require masks and threaten my license and my ability to feed my family if I don't comply with their ridiculous, unscientific mask mandate.
Their house, their rules. No one is forcing you to work there. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get another job that doesn't care about masks. I don't force "my" own rules on my employer.
I'm against vaccine mandates and masks mandates but I think that it makes sense for pharmacists to wear masks, like doctors do, you are professionals and unlike the students in the above research, it can definitely be worn in a proper manner and help prevent the spread of respiratory diseases: the chance of you exposed once a day to a sick person is very high if not 100%, it means that you would transmit, even if not sick (and I'm not speaking just about covid now)
I'm on biologics and you should lose your job
Wondering why the findings re harms of masks to children arresting their speech development, impacting learning/understanding what is being said in class, failure to assimilate facial micro expressions linked to emotions .. and so on ! Wondering why this wasn't part of the conversation.
Still, am grateful that you personally came across as not pro jumping to mask children/students, Freddie. Thank you 🙂
That is a different aspect of it... there is also the aspect of personal autonomy. I think here they are just talking about the evidence that they work (or lack thereof)
Well, because it would not be relevant. Kids dying or killing Gran, vs some nonsense we normally wouldn't trouble ourselves over about micro aggression, sorry, micro expressions. Your kid can't express himself if he is dead. Of course that line of reasoning was all wrong, but to the extent people believe it, they probably figure they can teach their kids sign language later.
@@HondoTrailside Lol, stay away from children, you sound much more dangerous than C-19 for children.
@@HondoTrailside 😆
Two young grandson during COVID need speech therapy. Of 22 grand children this has never been an issue before masks ?
I teach a sport to kids.
Wearing masks for a couple years severely negatively affected their communication skills.
Their faces are now dead, for lack of a better way to describe.
That was a crime imo.
Asburgers 100% will be a massive issue. These people hurt kids. Kids won’t forget….will get their revenge…
@@npcimknot958
(spelling: Asperger's)
Yep, I've been saying for a while that there will be a surge of some kind of "pseudo-autism": Kids who are not actually on the spectrum will be displaying similar symptoms because they were forced to mask at a critical point of their social development.
This is my personal theory, so no studies or anything to back it up. But I'm quite sure that I'm right.
I'm an aspie myself, btw.
Not just "dead", but seemingly incapable of interpreting facial expressions, difficulties in speech, and a sudden shift in personalities to be far more neurotic. I am lucky to teach privately and I twisted arms of parents not to have them when in lessons. Those who threw fits, I stuck online "for their benefit", but really because I don't want the contagion of fear to be so impressed upon the other children and wearing masks was a sign that the world was unsafe and they were unsafe even from themselves. That is NOT the way to raise children into being healthy adults. For some of the kids, I was the only "normal" (healthy) part of their lives, heart-breakingly.
@@juliafox52 I completely agree. Well expressed.
This is a cull. They want us dead or sick.
Don't comply, and you will stay healthy.
I find masks useful to identify the idiots I need to keep clear of and to keep me amused!
ahahhah! i like that, you made laugh! thank for that!
Me, too!!
I will stand in a different queue if the person at the register is oxygen-restricting.
I wish I found it amusing. I don't. I find it totally disgusting at so many people's stupidity.
Excellent point! The oxygen restriction will make them even more stupid. Just beyond help!
At the height of COVID spread in Japan, a society that is both compliant with masking and obsessive about wearing them, had 250k cases per day at one point. That alone should make any mask obsessive question the effectiveness of their masks.
Also look at recent events in China where everyone's masks suddenly stopped working and the entire country supposedly got infected within just a couple of weeks. None of this adds up or makes sense, never did and while the people in charge of all of this are still in power, it never will.
Japan has a population of 125,000,000. How many more infections would they have had if no one wore a mask?
People wearing seat belts die in car accidents everyday. According to your philosophy, I imagine this would render seats belts useless as well?
@greenbeans The logical superficial answer to Q1. is more infections. The logical superficial answer to Q2. is ban cars completely since there were fewer cars accidents during lockdowns. The actual honest answer is that there are so many confounders and variables that there cannot be one simple answer as wear or not to wear. It is all situational. There are always upsides and downsides to each decision. What is glaring however is that in the so called advanced countries none of the governing authorities did any high quality RCTs to see if surgical masks which were designed to prevent body fluid and blood splatter during surgery (hence surgical mask) were truly effective for every segment of society. A few other points worth discussion: Almost everyone “reuses” their mask rather than disposing it when they leave each place they have been. So the mask becomes like a passport for entry and like the seatbelt it is a “better than nothing” argument. Secondly perhaps the current death rate is more important and the death rate is lower than for influenza so what is the rationale for masking and vaccination for everyone if neither actually has data showing it prevents infection and acquiring severe disease for the majority of the population. Thirdly, emotion always beats facts in any argument. Hence fear appears to have been used to subliminally coerce people to willingly wear masks as well as to make it tribal and political. A really interesting behavioural analysis of how C19 and government policies have affected the general population. Truly don’t think that there is a completely simple answer to the mask question.
@@greenbeans575 Try making a seatbelt out of masks and see how well that protects you. If you use something that is at best useless at stopping disease and at worst counterproductive it’s not going to make one iota of difference regardless of how many people comply. How do you think that 90% of people in China got infected in only a matter of a few days. Must have been a faulty batch of masks they were wearing. Perhaps it would have been 100% if they hadn’t all been wearing stupid masks.
@@robertkwan186 I listened to most of this video. And I agree with your summary. Basically they said in this video that many of the studies were flawed (too many confounding variables and some just ludicrously stupidly designed and run) And the one presenter stated the high quality mask studies indicate no benefit. Note I had read about mask studies done decades ago. They all reached the same conclusion, but the reason they state the no benefit was not based on the mask, it was the human behavior in using the mask. They found most humans in the studies just couldn't adhere to the regimen of proper masking. Note the presenter conveniently left that piece of info out. LoL. Then i watched the university engineering studies that clearly show the reduction of aerosol spread when wearing a mask. So yeah no simple solution. But I mask when in a situation of other people, & indoors, like a store etc. But I also made my own masks out of high filtration rate air condition filters at the outset. I am high risk old & with serious medical condition. I don't think the death rate is lower than influenza. But no one is seriously tracking this now. I see data that indicates Covid-19 is somewhere in the 300 to 500 per day in the use (or x365 or 109K to 182K per year) And it is mostly older people with medical issues like myself. That rate is at a severe yearly influence rate to 2X a severe yearly influence rate). The government/political policies were a mess and corrupted. Vaccine mandates for kids ? Total BS, the risk reduction for children did not justify. And once it was seen that the vaccines did not prevent or really reduce the spread a total sham. Something worse will have to come along to get any meaningful change. My grade for this response to this episode a D.
About 20 years ago I ran a study on the effectiveness of surgical masks on preventing contamination of spacecraft instruments. They had little to no measurable effect unless the wearer coughed or sneezed without covering. In spite of the negative results, NASA was going to require surgical masks, until their health and safety expert vetoed that requirement. He stated that wearing surgical masks would result in 2-3 increase respiratory infections and seemed to have data to back up that assertion.
Currently there seems to be little information on negative health effects, except on the 3M website, describing precautions to be taken when wearing masks.
This is exactly the problem, but the few studies there are do show elevated blood CO2 levels and there is occupational hazard information on that danger but without big expensive studies in their face they won’t link it to face coverings and respirators, especially with their general stance on mandates.
The major problem has been the negative mental health affects!!! It has affected everyone both masked and maskless. It has been a crime against man and God.
How did that study work? How did you measure "contamination of spacecraft instruments" levels?
See I've been pointing out the H&S aspect 3 YEARS NOW.
UNDER THE LAW.... ACTUAL FOUNDATIONAL WORKERS PROTECTION LAW NOT TEMP MANDATES..... its completely illegal to Impose the wearing of ANY divice, medical or not, as part of required equipment or uniform for schools or workplaces.
It requires it to be contractually listed as required for workers, training MUST be supplied, regular updates, signed off contracts on where agreed terms are clearly laid out on the specifics of the training, usage, maintenance and disposal PLUS THE EQUIPMENT IF REQUIRED FOR WORKPLACE MUST BE SUPPLIED BY THE EMPLOYER!!!
None of these requirements were met in ANY case ANYWHERE!!!
WHY JUST a look at the removal of ties for school uniforms in UK and Irish Schools after one or two chockings or accidents involving entrapment.!!!
It's SO OBVIOUS I JUST CAN'T ANYMORE.
PEOPLE WERE DUMB FOLLOWING THESE IMPOSED MANDATES AS LEGALLY THEY NEVER EVER HAD TO...... CONSTITUZIONAL AND COMMON EMPLOYMENT LAW SUPERCEDES TEMP MANDATES EVERY TIME.
Another factually wrong comment!
Wearing a mask to keep out viruses is like putting up a barbed wire fence to keep out mosquitos.
that works!!
Too true 🙏
Nobody wears a mask to keep out viruses. They wear them to keep out the aerosol droplets containing viruses, dumbo.
Masks reduce viral load exposure. It's not about stopping every single droplet, it's about stopping some of the exposure.
yep, I prefer chain link🤔
My observation at the moment tells me that those who still wear masks are sending a message that they are more moral and that 😊 morality gives them the feeling of superiority… this need for superiority and self righteousness can now be visual to a large portion of society.
ignorance is bliss
I was blessed to hear an interview with an industrial hygienist in early 2020. She made an airtight case against masks for COVID. Then I read an article in the New England Journal of medicine that equated masks with a 'talisman.' Case closed. I haven't worn a mask since... except while using a paint sprayer.
SATANIC ''FACE SHAMING'' RITUAL. I GRADUATED WITCHCRAFT 101 BACK IN 1989. I KNOW ABOUT THIS SHIT.
If you discuss the role of fear and mask-wearing, the dynamics of this public behavior is clarified.
Correct. So many have been traumatized by fear perpetrated by 'authorities' that they're willing to do anything - even actions that defy logic - to minimize their 'risk' of contracting the virus. I would have compassion for these poor souls were it not that their behavior - masking, etc - is perpetuating the madness.
@@gracelynne3918 Fear is the favorite tool of those who lust for power over others. Also, the pressure to conform in large groups is substantial. This is the core of mob behavior, and when the smell of fear is in the air the power-lusters can't help but run to the head of the herd as it morphs into a mob. Then they fan the flames. And get a little drunk on power lust.
And from the perspective of politicians and bureaucrats...it's ALL explained by CYA (cover your ass).
@@robertbarnum7541 This whole charade has never been about public health, it's always been about petty dictators controlling their subjects! I find it amazing that Anthony Fauci the science personified was in some indoor studio unmasked a couple of months ago with the host on stage with him also unmasked telling his masked disciples in the crowd how masks should be worn indoors by everyone. I also found it interesting how a while back in China's "Great Hall of the People" that Chairman Xi and everyone who was sitting in his row was unmasked but everyone else in the building was masked. In my opinion this is all being done for sport by medical and government tyrants who are drunk on power!
@@LBBspock It does not matter to these power lusters that all or any part of whatever their last lie purported is false, only what they can speak to gain control in the present moment. They feel no shame about lying and or any other immoral acts that they are doing out of sight. I strongly suspect that their personality types are somewhere in the vicinity of The Psychopath. If not that exactly, then a kissing cousin of such. That is the core problem with nodes of too much power: they ALWAYS attract precisely the type guaranteed to abuse that power.
“There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences - people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”
- Dr. Anthony Fauci
The Good Dr.Toni Elf also said Many people will get the Virus and Recover without even knowing it. Hmm, sounds like Herd Immunity to me
That was probably one of the rare moments he allowed the truth to be known
@@aviewoftown You can see another example of him speaking truth in my latest video
Any mask wearers now remind me of the fearful "Beaker", the lab assistant of Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on the Muppets show. If I were mean, I'd go up to them and say "if you are sick, stay home and stop spreading it because masks are proven not to work". Imagine their fear then, they'd cry "mama". 🤣LOL
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I work in a hospital - pharmacist. I don’t believe masks work. Never have. Almost lost my job early on for speaking my mind. Three years later, the people I hear yelling for masks in the hospital are physicians. It’s baffling to me as I’m sure they’ve read the same information I have. Given the data, how is it that these “smart people” can conclude to “wear your damn mask” you’re “endangering other people”? I’ve heard those more than once when I get caught without a mask. Explain how it’s the blue collar truck drivers I run into that refuse to wear them because they are “stupid” and “useless”. How did we reach a point where healthcare providers lack common sense? The world is indeed out of whack. Common sense appears to have disappeared.
Wearing a mask is a sign of belonging to the cult
The lower income people who actually work out in the world are less likely to go along with these mandates that make no sense. It's the middle & upper income that feel they're the fortunate ones who never would be lied to. Boy are they in for a rude awakening?
Weren't Dr's threatened with loss of license if they didn't comply? Seems like (expensive) career loss may sideline common sense. So very wrong. Next we'll be told we don't need a "second opinion".
Simple: colleges teach lies. If you don't want to look at your own profession, look at agriculture. The colleges teach future farmers to farm using means by which the soils become completely degraded and worthless, ruining the farms and the farmer's life as well as the rest of our health, which is why we are in line at your establishment. The people who can best tolerate lies and acclimate to bullsh!t hang in there the longest and become the best educated.
Two years back and there was a COVID get together of more than a 1,000 specialist doctors and none of the doctors wore masks, when asked why they didn’t wear masks and generally said I wear a mask in the operating room but otherwise I don’t wear masks!
Right from the start there has been misrepresentation of data in all aspects of the pandemic, which was fairly evident. I thought at first it was to scare people into taking it seriously, but now I can't see any reason but political manipulation and profiteering.
For nearly 3 years I've genuinely wondered if I'm actually going mad.
I rather wondered if the rest of the world has gone / is going mad.... all the "misrepresentations" (a nice way to put it) were so extreme and obvious for anybody with a healthy brain that I still don´t get it how so many intellectuals, in particular left wingers who were always critical of big pharma, completely failed to see the obvious
Gaslighting is a "crazymaking" tactic of narcissistic control freaks. I learned about it firsthand by watching my dad, learning about codependency, and studying psychology to disarm dad's weapons against us. Watching it deployed on an international scale by authorities and obedient media was disturbing, especially when it's paired with so much censorship of data and highly-qualified dissidents...
Remarkable isn't it. The Pfizer trials themselves even stated that it didn't prevent transmission.....yet that's the message that was spread for several years.
I still have the same fears, but a few regular reality checks assure me we're quite sane and that that's quite a rare thing these days. It's not us, it's them haha
@@kennedysan1045 yes, under any normal circumstances this would be considered fully illegal and would lead to serious fines
I have no problem at all with mask recommendations; if you're stupid enough to believe it, I can't stop you.
What I adamantly don't want is any kind of coercion/shaming/incentives used to 'encourage' take up.
BRAVO - Hear HEAR!!
The question has been resolved in my mind for a long time. I can't wear a mask. It makes me faint. It's also deeply unscientific, to my mind. And these ladies confirm that. There's little to no effect and lots of harm.
Why not ask someone who has had to actually wear a mask everyday for most of their life? I've been a house painter for over 20 years & the N95 mask has been a part of my profession that entire time...at the end of every shift my breathing passages are completely coated in sanding dust and over spray even in well ventilated conditions... if they can't protect you from dust particles then good luck with aerosols... they do not work at all period end of story...
Air will travel quickly through the area of a mask with least resistance. Even beard stubble, or a tiny space somewhere on a mask will let unfiltered air in (and out).
I work often with MDF... routing and table-saw cutting. When I use a regular disposable N95 it cuts out most of the dust, but after hours of work a sealed gel N95 (really close fit to my face) lets no dust in.
Mind you.... I really can't wear one of those for more than 40 minutes at a time without needing to get outside and take the thing off for air! Disposable N95s I could wear all day, but they're just not doing their job fully.
Intense exposure to particles all day as part of your job is different from casual contact with droplets from someone speaking in front of you for a few minutes. Masks don’t offer perfect protection for all scenarios, of course not, but they just mitigate exposure to overwhelming viral loads in casual settings. It lessens the risk in certain, not all, settings no more no less. Ask Asians who have used medical masks to reduce, not eliminate, the spread of air borne communicable diseases for decades. Their experience and opinion matter. But in the West there continues to be these silly, juvenile objections based less on science and more on scientism. I don’t believe in legally mandating masks. That is government overreach in my opinion. Government power needs to be exercised judiciously and an imperfect solution like mask wearing doesn’t meet the criteria. But I do believe it is sound practice that deserves some level of social acceptance.
@@mensrea1251 Ah yes like tbe fabulous Chinese success story? Greatest users of masks, lockdowns anx innoculations? How is that working out for them? 🤣🤣🤣
Dumbass uses wrong filters on his mask and then complains that they arent working. You need to use the right filter. If you are working with aerosols then use a mask filter rated for aerosols... smh
@@mensrea1251 you're right, Asians never get sick...talk about scientism
Thank you for providing this analysis! Please publish and provide links to complete publications!
I wish you had addressed the question of whether extended mask wearing has harmful effects that outweigh any potential benefits, especially in regard to children.
Common sense would tell one that extended breathing through a synthetic face mask mass produced in unhygienic workshops is bad for you and like you say especially in regard to children is abhorrent
Freddie does his usual good job interviewing the guests. However, I wish he had also asked about the harms-physical, psychological and social-that wearing masks have, not only on those who wear them.
I'd be very interested in any research on the psychological harms. I began to experience anxiety in shops when I had to wear a mask. And despite the fact that I haven't worn a mask in over a year (and never will again), I still struggle with that anxiety.
Yup. 100%.
I had at least 2 mental breakdowns in supermarkets mainly because of the way other people were making me feel by wearing masks. It was so cultish. It had nothing to do with science and everything to do with flag waving and othering. I felt like the guy in the wicker man screaming into the void trying to get people to snap out of their idiocy but couldn't say anything for fear of being outcast or causing a scene. I don't want to hurt people or make them feel threatened, but I was pretty close to losing my sanity especially in January of 2021.
There are exaggerations on both sides. Many societies have a lot of mask wearing, so I tend not to worry too much about it. Of course we are largely engaged in performance art, but we have years of people wearing masks almost non stop, some in their homes. It doesn't seem to be our biggest problem. Certainly a huge waste disposal problem.
Absolutely. Breathing in your toxic exhalation is 100% more likely than any perceived or actual benefit. Everything is nonsense atm.
@@HondoTrailside it's because there is an agenda behind it. That was the worst for me. And the way it can show who is in the cult and who isn't.
I've never ever wore a mask for these last 3 years and I will never wear one as long as I live. This is because I've done my own research over the past 3 years and found that masks have no relevance in the bigger scheme of things and masks are more likely to kill you than help you. Xxxxx
Mask mandates do work for the companies that produce them... their profits have increased exponentially.
and made on floors in cottage industries in places like India
✨ The magical thinking behind mask-wearing has become a superstition at best and a government religion at worst. Here's how well masks work in "real life." When masks were mandated on-campus for the Fall 2020 semester, I initially went along with it. I was a grad student on scholarship studying chemistry. I didn't think they did anything at all, nor did I agree that my governor had the right to mandate that universities enforce this measure on students--mind you, this was before the jab. However, I was trying to complete my degree, and the previous Spring semester had already been cut short around Spring Break. Everyone just wanted to return to campus and find some kind of normal again, right? In the space of a week, I ended up with a sinus infection. It was definitely caused and exacerbated by the mask that I was forced to wear to be on campus several hours per day, and it was one of the worst sinus infections I've ever had in my life.
Additionally, my school had every student sign a form prior to the beginning of the semester stating that we would not come to campus or attend class if we had certain symptoms--including a fever. Guess what? I had a fever with the sinus infection. Yes, it was a diagnosed sinus infection. I received medical treatment and prescription medication for it. So, since I had a fever and had signed that form, I was not allowed to go to class. You try understanding graduate-level chemistry on your own the second week of the semester and then catching up after that...I can assure you, it doesn't happen. You miss too much foundational information. Also, when I came back to class--finally--one of my professors proceeded to point out to the entire class that I did not have COVID fully embarrassing me in the process.
Halfway through the semester, I ended up having to withdraw from school because wearing a mask for several hours per day also is horrendous for those who have migraines. It made mine much more frequent and severe. I probably should have ended up in the hospital, but at that time? Who was going to a hospital if they didn't have to? My understanding is that they are also triggering for those who have anxiety, PTSD, or who may be survivors of r@pe as wearing one can send you into a fight/flight/freeze response.
[For those who may question why I did not have a "mask exemption" for medical reasons...well, I tried. Have you heard the stories of people trying to get jab exemptions? I was refused in a similar manner, but this was before the jab...same playbook, but for a different thing. It was ugly. I tried to work with the school in every way possible, and I was blocked at every turn. Being forced to leave a university you love and consider a second home is heartbreaking, I can assure you. I chose my health, but it was still hard.] By the way, I transferred to an online school and changed my area of study. I graduate in May, so things are going well.
So, no, masks are useless. Not only do they not help....they actually cause a great deal of harm.
Wrong at so many levels. It is a fact that masks reduce viral load exposure. This in turn reduces sickness.
Yes
Agree on migraines. Got to a point when I had over two severe episodes a week.
What you were dealing with was authoritarianism. and a disregard for your constitutional rights if you are in the US. Also common sense seems to have disappeared everywhere.
Masks do work to some level, and there are people with immune issues, or ashma, or other problems who are at greater risk than you were from masks. In Ontario, one thing we found out early was that the air quality in many of our classes didn't even meet the CO standards in most cases. Virtually none of the classrooms were at the level that would be sufficient to fight the COVID. So ventilation wasn't going to save us. How does that play out? It probably makes the mask mandates less likely to work, because obviously most of the masks aren't respirators, so if you have a lot of COVID in the air, because ventilation is bad, maybe masks are even less effective.
Maybe masks meant that people would send their kids to school when otherwise they would not. They certainly make people more aware of hygiene, though in some cases they make it worse. Testing them is a problem because there are such a variety of environments, products, and objectives. If regulators thought that masks would get kids who are nearly at zero risk in their classrooms, how does that square with punching all the kids over and over these days.
@@HondoTrailside "Masks do work to some level"
They do not, though. Dust masks do not filter viruses and surgery masks filter only bacteria (and protect the surgeon from getting bits of bone and blood into his/her mouth).
"and there are people with immune issues, or ashma, or other problems who are at greater risk than you were from masks"
I have asthma and I'm on the autism spectrum. Wearing masks is nothing short of an ordeal for me, so I only wear masks where/when I'm forced to. Finally the last mask mandates in my country (Germany) are supposed to be lifted soon. It's about time.
PS: Despite the alleged higher risk due to asthma, I never got covid. The last time I had a respiratory tract infection of any kind was several years ago. I've been taking vitamins (C, D3, K2), zinc and magnesium daily since around 2020.
Never took the jab, btw.
Freddie was the meat in a doppleganger sandwich. Another great video. Thank you for all you do.
There are plenty of studies on masks and respiratory viruses. Those published by the Cochrane Library recently show their effectiveness at preventing transmission was negligible at best.
It was always clear to me that masks were not about healthy living so much as fear driven. Build you immune system and you won't worry about seasonal viruses. It is not about stopping the spread. It is about being robust enough to survive. Let the strong lead the way forward.
that's a bold assumption about the amount of people on immune suppressants and chemo
If there is mask mandate, wich i despise...why not have a "weight loss mandate" for overweight people...the ones that usually die...
People usually have agency for their own health. If they don't care themselves about what they eat and drink...Why should I, a fit man, have to comply to wearing masks...People have agency. Tell them that!!!
I am the same. It was all about I wear a mask to keep you safe, I say, I keep fit and healthy (at 56 yrs old) to keep you safe. It is very irresponsible to not care about your health by eating well, staying fit and active.
Because weight loss doesn't work. Of course everything done, was wrong. But more wrong is not the solution. Weight loss doesn't even work in heart disease rehab. But it can't work when the pandemic is supposed to be over in a few weeks. If they had said from the outset it would be decades, or whatever we are in for, it still wouldn't work.
Also, are you low weight because you are still young, or genetically privileged. The virtuous thin person is kinda rare.
I tick a lot of the predisposition boxes, and I recently had COVID, it was a nice rest for 3 days, and no uncomfortable symptoms. My wife only tested positive for 3 days, she is very fit for her age.
@@HondoTrailside I am 63 and well read. You are what you eat. I skipped flour already 30 years ago. No bread, pasta etc. Why? I lived in Taiwan a couple of years. No fat people and very little wheat.
I don't know what works...But saying that fat people will always be the victims for Covid is necessary.
But I am not wearing a mask for the rest of my life to protect those who don't care themselves.
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Damn , you’re thick 😂
You actually believe the horse manure you spew ?
@@HondoTrailside you don’t have to be virtuous particularly to keep a healthy body weight. You just have to be aware of how the body works and how unsuitable the modern diet is for good health. Most people who go to the gym have a good idea about nutrition and what is healthy to eat. Many people go to the gym and retain the nutrition knowledge when they are old. You can eat as much as you like and not gain weight if you eat the right foods. Look in to ketosis.
This is not a scientific debate. It's a cultural one. There are largely two sides to it. On one side: nearly any measure, even one as intrusive as covering one's face/ mouth and preventing emotional, non-verbal communication, marginalizing the neurodiverse, hearing impaired, and those learning language and social cues, is worthwhile to prevent even minor illness. Furthermore, this side largely believes that doing so should be mandatory for everyone, by implying that those who do not do so increase the risk of illness to all. On the other side: those who value facial expression and language learning for all, and value it more than the occasional inconvenience of minor illness or even the small possibility of severe illness. This second group also recognizes the ubiquity of respiratory illness, and is unwilling to change the fundamental nature of human interaction to protect against the natural phenomenon of viral infection that has always been and always will be part of human life.
I know which of these two sides sounds more grounded in objective reality.
This is what science is for - so we’re not just left with Making Things Up 😬
Excellent perspective.
Both your sides still do assume that the masks mandates in daily life do reduce infections. For which I have not seen any proof.
I lived for 5 months in HK in early 2021(where they still have the in+outdoor mask mandate as of 2023 if I recall, albeit they never had any lockdowns), and I literally saw mask shops every few shops apart, some of them even with in-house mask 3D-printing machines. Not simply sold in pharmacies, but stores COMPLETELY DEDICATED to masks every few shops apart, and I betcha that some corporations are raking all that money through these shops. Now we don't seem to have these shops here in the west, but I can bet you that it is just as profitable for certain corporations for the mask mandates to come back, and the manufacturing machines are merely hidden from the public eye!
I've been reading as many studies as I can find and one thing lacking in most all is virus size compared to mask type. "Masks" are as varied as people and how you wear the mask. My first question went asked to wear a mask was which one? Gaps around the face, transmission through the eyes, the number of viruses in the air around you, inside, outside, so many variables. Data is the only answer so thanks for adding more.
If you look at the physics of it, there is no question masks do not work. It is like installing a section of chain link fence out in the middle of a field and expect the wind to be blocked by the fence or the wind not to go around the fence.
It is very clear: masks / mask mandates do not make a difference as long as there is no significant evidence that suggests something else. AND: constant wearing of masks can do a lot of harm - which was not sufficiently discussed here, but there are hundreds of studies looking into this and it is scary to read those abstracts, the harm of wearing them is bigger than I thought.
What about medical professionals constantly wearing face masks for their whole professional careers? Their life expectancy must be greatly diminished!
@@stefanhetzel probably is.
@@stefanhetzel and medical staff are professionally fitted for mask wearing by Osha as well. There’s a vid on the high wire dot…. Where two osha ppe professionals talk about this very topic.
The masks we prescribed did not make a sufficient difference, but it is misinformation that may some day hurt us to suggest there are no such masks. How do people survive in a category 4 lab?
Right now we have all these people trying to V kids and they want to terrorize kids into it, and they are making them wear masks in some places. But if you prefer other conspiracy theorier, then those kids once treated will loose their immunity, and it may turn out that masks are important, and the blue nappies will not be sufficient.
@@mariawalker8403 So all doctors die with 55? That's news to me, thank you!
Thank you, all three of you, for good sense. One glaring omission:. The real, actual HARMS that occur especially to masked young students. These are medical, social, mental and spiritual, and they are profound. This makes the onus or burden of proof on the ones who wish to mandate especially heavy. But they not only refuse to look at the real science, but also refuse to discuss these kinds of harms. Let's start running controlled trials to assess these ACTUAL, KNOWN harms. A randomized trial in this case would be extremely unethical. However, it is way past time for us to know the extent of these harms. Perhaps once this is known, the wheels of the wagon may truly fall off as they very well should have already by this late date.
The reason behind the continued acceptance of masks is pride. Those who were proponents of masks don't want to be proved wrong, therefore they will only support (or create) studies this support their view. In my younger days I was a medical specialist in the American Army, and I was involved in the testing of medical safety and protective equipment. I worked at the Brooke Army Medical Center, and the DEA labs in Los Alamos. I have to say that this period of my life was both enlightening and horrifying, but I became quite knowledgeable about the level of protective equipment was necessary for a particular medical situation. I also learned a lot about the efficacy of masks, what they can and can't do. For example, an N95 mask is 95% effective filtering particles which are 300nm or larger. But it is only 95% effective if worn correctly, and discarded each time it is touched or removed, and replaced with a new mask, put on with properly washed hands. And even if you follow mask protocols, a coronavirus is as small as 80nm, meaning that an N95 mask is not going to be able to filter it out. For the last nearly 3 years, very few people have actually been using medical grade masks, almost none have followed anything close to medical mask protocols (which wouldn't have mattered anyway). Nearly everyone has been using poor quality dust masks, worn incorrectly. China will be scrapping all of its COVID mandates in the coming weeks, including mask mandates.
Vermont is nuts when it comes to masks. I stopped going there when I saw Middlebury College students wearing masks outdoors in May.
All college towns. Poor kids ares so afraid.
Drivers in cars on their own wearing a mask , makes me wonder if the elites are right in assuming we are just useless feeders
I really appreciate this conversation. Within the first half of 2020, at least in the states I lived in, mask wearing became a sign to others that you were "a believer" in the narrative that was being pushed by CDC, Fauci, corporate media and most left-leaning folks. Whereas if you did not wear a mask you weren't buying the narrative. I have a medical background and knew that 95% of the masks that people were wearing weren't doing much, if anything. This all basically became more of the same of what we see in the US - theater and ways of signaling to others around us what "team" we are on (Red vs Blue). Once again, the corporate media and politicians continue to divide and conquer us.
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In the beginning of all this, i wore one, but quickly found out if I had any type (even paper) my lungs filled up within 10 min, so i would run through the grocery store, grab a few things, keep in the coughing as i could feel rising, and jump in the car and cough my lungs out for a good half a minute. It happened every single time, and I avoided it when I felt i could. It started my questioning on this subject. Now, here in Canada, they are bringing them in again... Looks like i'm gonna be a rebel 😆, a 59 yr old rebel.
The Danish mask study was hidden from the Danish population. Because it was tax-financed, the results were published in online newspapers, but the articles were shortened and rewritten after just a few hours. Before they disappeared completely. Some numbers were removed so that the results could be reinterpreted, which then happened in the same article.
A German from Denmark
Great information that makes sense. Great interview too Freddie 👏
Why no mention of physical distancing and hand washing?
Covid in 4D(indoors)
Distance = How big is the room
Density = How many people are in the room
Duration = How long one is in the room
Draft = How well is the room ventilated
Thank you Freddie, you have been a great source of information we all need and couldn't find in most places.
The reason this ridiculous behavior and policy is in place is nefarious.
and people going along with it
Never had a dodgy vxcs n never wore a mask...and weirdly I'm still alive...quell suprise!!
I went to a concert in September, Yeah Yeah Yeahs(!) in a last minute Riotfest aftershow in Chicago, 1100 people packed together, indoors, cheering and dancing with the rapturous abandon that's come to characterize live music in this post-pandemic era. Hardly a mask to be seen, and certainly one was not seen on my face. The only exceptions I noticed were the stagehands, who I believe are required to wear masks by a union rule. And one young couple. Standing there kissing passionately. Right through their KN95s.
It got me wondering: Is this a new kink? I've always presumed that people in masks were simple germaphobes, but what if it's something...deeper? Is it possible that some people have been so traumatized, so seared with terror and confusion, that they've sublimated the pandemic experience into a fetish? It would explain a lot: the self-righteousness, the fierce defensiveness, the desperate clinging to an illusion of safety unsupported by reason or science, the proud indifference to the ridicule and derision of the bare-faced hordes...
I do so wish that J.G. Ballard were still alive. He would be having great fun with this pandemic.
Your concert experience mirrors my thoughts. 90,000 + people pack into college football stadiums each week nation wide, yet there isn't any evidence of increased spikes of covid in those towns /cities . Very few masks worn ..almost none existent.
I realize it's outdoors and mostly younger people but still makes me question mask efficacy and distancing. I don't know the know the answer however i do know it's never discussed in the main steam media's medical community.
Soilder on
We need to know all the HARMS that are being done by mask wearing and if the net result is beneficial in general or not.
Love your presentations, Freddie. You are a great host, well spoken, very well informed! Thank you.
The big problem was the politicization of this subject. Here in Brazil, the situation is the same. If the person is against the mandatory use of a mask, he is already labeled as a Bolsonarist. Bad times of a lot of polarization. The emergence of Covid-19 was perfect to intensify this polarization. A pity that science has been used for this purpose and became authoritarian and hypocritical.
The authorities love things that divide us. Mask vs no mask, man made climate change vs natural climate change, trans vs women's rights, migration vs nationalism etc etc. Everywhere you look division is encouraged.
That's the old saying "divide and rule".
“Until we had something better like Vaccines”!! Errr! 😂😂😂
yeah....well, at the beginning of the crisis many thought so.... so I dont blame her...but at the end she made another comment which I found irritating...like when she says: "people say I wear a mask so I don't need the vaccine" ... as if with her criticism of that statement she implies that the mRNA vaccines would do any good.... I think she needs to also do some research on that topic....
@@strandpromenadeSounds like you need to do a little research yourself. Not googling. Sounds like you’ve done your share of that.
@@ledaswan5990 Sounds like your comment adds a lot of value to the debate, thank you so much! ...and just to ask: Have you read the Pfizer study?
I've been waiting for a while for someone to do a good job summing up the research, and it seems this does. The one thing I thought was weak about this was that they simply list and compare the studies, but don't talk about the reasons (theories). There was only one passing reference to droplets at the beginning, but I'd really like to hear more about fomite-borne vs. airborne respiratory disease (and also about whether masking is supposed to protect the wearer or the people around the wearer, about which I think there is enormous confusion).
Love the way she says wearing a mask is like Voodoo - backed by the desire to control what happens to us even when we cannot.
Time for Booster 53, cause 2 is Not Enough for Thee
Silence worm! Be a proper good boy and take your medicine.
They are boosting themselves into an early grave.
This is a real service to the public that our public health officials should have done, but didn't. Thank you, Unherd.
The service the officials did was impose the masks. This enabled society to discover the stupidity/malevolence of officials.
Well that's because this is a cull.
Public health officials want us dead or sick.
Do the OPPOSITE of what they tell you, and you will stay healthy.
They knew. This is known and knowable. Our PH officials realized that masks could be used to induce compliance.
"We're putting all our eggs in one basket, but the basket is really broken". What a perfect summary!
I'm no scientist, so can't make a case against them for those reasons, but living in Japan where we've had to wear them both indoors and out for three straight years, I have come to absolutely detest them.
I have noticed I now breathe almost exclusively through my mouth as the masks seem to impede nasal breathing. I often find myself gasping for air as my overall breathing feels shallow when in them. When I visited back home where there was no social pressure to mask, my lungs felt rejuvenated and breathing techniques improved. I know people will say 'It's just a mask and Covid is much worse', but having experienced Covid (caught it while masked ;) ) I can say from my own POV, it is far more suffocating to be covered up all day long than it was to deal with the corona virus.
100% agree, as someone who majored in Japanese, I've been avoiding Japan like the plague (No pun intended) because I can't bear the thought of being forced by nothing more than irrational hivemind mentality to wear masks and it is really depressing and dystopian to watch videos of probably 98% of people still masked up like it's 2020 including children, 3 years later. Those poor children are probably going to have severely stunted social development but nobody is ready for that conversation. It already showed after a year in Western countries so I imagine it would be worse in Japan by now. It really sucks because I love Japan and its people and food and everything but I'll pass because of the masks (and all the other covid hoops you have to jump through). I also have had trouble breathing for the last 6 months, so prolongued masking could pose a risk to me.
@Maurice Moss is it not? you have the right idea staying away. Kids here have been forced to eat lunch in silence since 2020, many have barely even seen each others' faces. I can't imagine the psychological effects as well as the longer term developmental issues like you mentioned. Even though the government makes some ads saying masks can be removed outdoors with 2m distance, there has been little change. It's miserable being out on a nice day , but everywhere you turn are masked faces. As a non-Japanese who stands out ,even though I want to take them off outdoors, we are held to further scrutiny and judgement as 'outsiders', so I use them to avoid giving ppl the chance for confirmation bias (the media has focused on the high cases/death count in the west since the pandemic began and the narrative imprinted in Japanese minds is foreigner=Covid). Japan may well have had fewer infections and deaths, but it has a lot of different kinds of self-inflicted damage due to its OTT reaction to covid.
Spain are looking at bringing back masks in tourist spots...already prepping the public for all the next round of compliance tests. So I guess I should prep for another round of being non-compliant again
It looks like masks don't work but even if they do, experience shows they do so much psychological harm the cost is too much
Mask fondling, spraying of hands then immediately people touch the front of their pants or shirt and recontaminate themselves. I've watched it over and over again at the stores
Billions of Asians are laughing.
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The question I have is, do masks mitigate the spread of the virus at all? Are they 10% effective? 0% effective? Can your guests say masks have absolutely no mitigating effect on spreading the virus?
@@ELL289 Watch people shopping and as they go in and out if the stores, touching and readjusting their Masks and you'll own Data. Well, I'm probably just texting to another Bot again 🙄 🤣
I work at a hospital in Victoria Australia and they have forced staff to wear n95 with a yearly fit testing on 3 to 4 types of n95s.....but at the front entrance give the public only one type of n95 with not fit testing.... I laugh everyday at work how stupid my workplace has become.
Well as a otr truck driver. I have noticed a decline in colds, flue,and other viruses. I personally think it's because people are wearing mask when they are sick. I think the days of going to work sick. And to the store with a runny nose and a hoarse throat are over. People are not going to put up with it.
The concluding part of this discussion reveals what an incredibly high level of scientific illiteracy there is, in the public at large.
Boy, have we been dumbed down!
These two "scientists" demonstrate what a high level of scientific illiteracy there is among "scientists" at large.
On purpose
Is all about complying. Is an experiment that based on 🐑 is 100% successful 😢There are many ppl that need to be told what to think, and what to do😢Those ppl are bringing tyranny on all of us. I do not care how many masks one wears, is just I do not want to be told what to do😢Body autonomy and freedom of choice is very important to me🤑
I don't need to wear a mask. I have my lucky underpants.
Just as effective, probably more so......and more comfortable.
I recently demonstrated the effectiveness of wearing a mask on the job that wouldn't let me wear a shield by wiping my tukis with it. I now have a better job with no masks
I recall the following 2 photos posted on the net: Fauci not wearing a mask while sitting in the stands of a professional baseball game; Nancy Pelosi recording of her removing her mask as she leaves the stage after a press conference. She was walking with her associates thereafter not wearing a mask.
Thank you so much for all the good work you do❤
Early in 2020 I watched a presentation made by doctors to politicians at a public forum concerning the use of masks and other measures. One of them pointed out that the mucus in our mouths and noses that trapped airborne organisms was also coating our eyes. Therefore, he continued, masking would have to include eye protection. I was hoping to see that fact addressed in this video. Indeed, hospital workers wear masks and face shields. That video disappeared from the internet before I had a chance to tell anyone about it or note where it happened. I believe it was a congressional hearing in the USA, but I have no way to check.
While true, they are often made to wear face shields (which I had printed 100 of in February 2020 thinking it would help our supposedly soon to be overwhelmed and under equipped Canadian frontline workers), they haven’t been shown to make a difference in RCT studies, we just do it out of an abundance of precaution in adherence to the pathogenic germ hypothesis. What’s ironic is that there exists studies attempting to prove respiratory infection and they fail to show even one case of a diseased person infecting a healthy person and they TRIED, like prolonged close contact with coughing into the face of the healthy subject by the sick person and taking mucus samples and blasting them up the nose of the healthy person, etc... and still no luck - and we would actually expect 100% infection based on the theory that the GERM hypothesis is correct, a single case would not even prove it at all, not even close, and we didn’t even see that!! The research was even done during the ‘Spanish Flu’ a century ago and the findings were the same, healthy unvaccinated people weren’t able to be infected, whereas those getting ill had inevitably taken the experimental shots due to the fear porn of ‘mysterious diseases coming home with soldiers from Europe’ after WWI (when in reality the soldiers were first made ill from the same ‘protective’ shots now being offered to the public) and there were very astute doctors and nurses that noticed it at the time and documented it, should we ever care to know the truth of that incident... it was also the first test of masking and associated mandates which of course made no difference other than causing more harm to those who fell ill.
There is no variable protection with the mask. When someone works in a bio lab, he/she is wearing “moon suite” and follows all de-contamination procedures after in the special room. Nothing else will really protects us, except our own immunity. Covering mouth and nose is the sign of obedience. Next would be closing our eyes and ears. And we’ll turn into Sarg. Schulz: I see nothing, I hear nothing, I say nothing!
All options for prevention and reducing transmission should be considered, weighing up benefits and harms. A much more effective, cheap measure would be to encourage people to gargle with dilute iodine and nasal rinse with it especially before and after going to crowded public places. For prevention, having adequate vitamin D levels can make a significant reduction in infection rates.
Great interview as always Freddie. As someone else suggested perhaps you could get some school teachers in who could discus the effect mask wearing had on their students education and emotional wellbeing.
Thank you for this discussion. It may have been outside the remit of this interview but it may be good to address the wider (negative) effects of mask wearing - socially, psychologically, speech impairment and, importantly, forthcoming respiratory issues surrounding chronic disabling diseases AS A RESULT of the long-term wearing of masks. Keep up the good work.
Truth.
I will not yield to frantic fear mongering and as the sniveling snivelers snivel.... my brave truth seekers will continue to get on with it.
All the obfuscation is so blatantly criminal and has been from the beginning. We must be asking ourselves “Who benefits from all of this, where is it leading, and how should we defend ourselves”?
I love my mask. I'm no longer expected to smile. It really means "please don't speak to me" 😇
Good one, 👍
Sounds about right
Weirdo
@@edjackson4986 stop speaking to me.
Pre-pan-demic, I met two students studying the efficacy of masks in post doc research at Harvard Medical School. At the time, they said that the science behind masks was complicated and provided some interesting research topics. Generally, they thought that in an operating room, a quality, well-fitted mask could be quite effective for at least a short period of time. I think their research was focused on operating rooms, so would be less relevant to the current (or former) public crisis.
Main reason is splash back tbh
There is a study on mask wearing during surgeries- there is no statistically significant difference between wearing masks and not wearing them when it comes to post-surgery infections. If anything, the data showed slight benefit for NOT wearing them. The surgical team wears them to prevent getting patients’ bodily fluids from getting on their faces…and because it’s become a “customary practice”-habit.
@traceybaldwin6509 yes saw that study couple of years back..told and shared to all mask morons I knew..deaf ears 😆
The surgeon curteously wears a mask to prevent infecting the patient. Then the hospital infects the patient anyway.
Surgical masks in operating rooms are used for very different reasons though, certainly not to prevent virus infections. For that, you have to watch the BSL standards in research labs. At BSL-4, where aerosol potential pandemic pathogens should be treated, a simple face mask is certainly not going to be enough and positive-pressure suits are used for a reason.
THE PURPOSE OF a face mask we buy at the store is for stopping large particles like spray paint or when you are sanding wood or Installing fiber glass or when a surgeon is operating it will keep their spit, sweat or nose / facial hair from dropping into an opened patient.
NOT to stop a BIO HAZARD !
Except the bio hazard travels through the air in droplets. Yes the virus is small, but the droplets it travels in are bigger.
Fantastic conversation as always but like Freddie said ppl in the U.K. and Europe have made their minds about the masks.
What we need is an expert on masks and mask manufacturing to come on and give their honest take on the use of masks indoor and out and the reasons for wearing this or that mask and the effectiveness of this or that mask. Without a mask manufacturing expert, we can't get the inside skinny on why the production of the masks and what they were originally meant to do. To say a surgical mask protects against a virus is just ludicrous. Ludicrous especially against respiratory viruses.
I’ve yet to see a response from a mask manufacturer stating that masks stop viruses.
Mask manufacturers say masks work. Who knew.
You could watch Stephen Petty give his expert testimony. He seems to know what he's talking about re: masks. th-cam.com/video/J3dnkbKoj4A/w-d-xo.html
Mask manufacturers will ALWAYS support the use of masks. That has nothing to do with science, but pure economics.
Interesting post. In NZ we had a mask mandate in our schools during our winter (which gets very cold), so the children ate their lunches inside. I thought this made a mockery of this mandate.
Love to hear my boy vinay prasad referenced. He’s the most philosophically sophisticated evidence based medicine proponent and critic. Absolutely love him and listen to everything he releases. Cheers, and thanks for doing this work.
Excellent summary and conclusions!
Have they done a study on the funguses that grow on masks or the effects it has on the nasal cavities and it’s production of nitric oxide ?
look into the domestic breeding programs of pet and endangered species of birds. they are kept in restricted warm moist environments(incubators) and in spite of hyper vigilance to sanitation candida fungus can spread with alarming and deadly speed.
The thumbnail showed both guest. I thought it was the same person. Now it make sense.
lol
Stephanie Warriner died after being choked by security in a Toronto hospital for having her mask too low.
A coroner's report stated she died "due to restraint asphyxia following struggle and exertion.”
Yet no charges will be brought, leaving her sister sickened.
OMG!
Thank you for trying to tackle this difficult topic in an evidence based manner.
It would have been interesting to hear whether mask wearing has adverse effects to health and well-being (Unless I missed this bit when I went out to turn on the sprinkler!).
It's called virtue signalling and the fact that she struggled to find the words makes me wonder about everything else she says.
Two more useless academics. Even a broken clock...
Well we’ll see in a few years if the virtue signaller is still alive or got throat infection
Indeed, virtue signaling
UnHerd, thanks for another informative discussion.
Germaphobia is a mental issue requiring help. It shouldn't be a prerequisite to making public policy.
So Sweden's strategy were quite right all along. But good to make more studies of the masking or not.
All rational people knew from the start that Sweden's strategy was correct.
Well if the face mask can't save us we can rely on the ultimate second defence...a clear plastic screen 2 ft higher than us ...germs can't rise above 5'5" you see 🤔😉😉and can't face going around corners so we are safe. Look at the amazing protection they offered to the staff on tills with 20, 000 people passing or buying around them daily.....total joke 🤣🤣. I still look in awe as I see people driving a car by themselves wearing one 😂😂😂😂😂
That’s ‘cause germs these days are snivelling grown-up babies. If they lost some weight and got a grip they would be able to rise a lot higher than 5’5” and corners would be no problem!