Warcraft 3 The Frozen Throne - A Symphony of Frost and Flame - Destroy Illidan's Base - Hard
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ย. 2014
- 23:00 - Destroying Vashj's base.
34:00 - Destroying Kael's base.
44:00 - Destroying Illidan's Top Obelisk Base
1:27:00 - Unexpected Counter Attack
1:52:30 - Critical Attack Against Illidan's Base - เกม
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It was always really satisfying to me to see Arthas go from lvl 2 to 10 on this level.
WTF, when I beat this mission on Normal as a kid (with Illidan chomping on my base as I keep Arthas alive on the circle of power), I thought that was the best anyone can do. Now I see this. You, sir, deserve utmost respect.
Well, I just managed to destroy Illidan's base, but it took me much longer, 3h10m.
First, I surrounded Illidan with 9 Shades so he couldn't move or capture other obelisks.
I built a couple towers and massed Frost Wyrms to destroy Kael's base (I had to TP back to my base once to defend against Vashj).
Then I destroyed Vashj's base and killed my entire army afterwards to stay in no upkeep.
I didn't need an army anymore because Blue only attacks the four bases near the obelisks, but not the other bases, and even then, they didn't attack the west or south obelisks because Illidan was stuck at the east obelisk and his army was at the north obelisk waiting for him (it seems they move counterclock-wise).
Then came the boring part: I mined 7 gold mines dry (the starting mine, the one north of the first one, the one near the west obelisk, the one near the south obelisk, the one on the far east and the ones in Kael's and Vashj's bases) while 12-15 ghouls (just enough to stay in no upkeep) harvested lumber.
(I think I could have mined the gold mine near the east obelisk as well, because Illidan was out of reach and his army was at the north obelisk, but I didn't wanna risk it.)
Once all mines were dry I was at 120k gold and 50k lumber.
Then I killed all Ghouls and Acolytes except for 1 Acolyte to summon buildings.
I summoned 24 crypts and I massed Gargoyles like CRAZY.
I sent 43 Gargoyles to attack workers and both Temples of the Tides, but they died very quickly so I kept making them over and over until both Temples and all workers died.
Then I kept sending Gargs to destroy production buildings (3 Spawning Grounds and 2 Temples of Azshara).
When all buildings were gone I sent all surviving Gargs to attack Couatls, then I switched to Frost Wyrms to slowly get rid of the standing army using a few hit and runs and kiting them near my heroes so I could hit them with Locust Swarm and Impale and heal my Wyrms with Death Coil.
I spent over 90k gold and almost 25k lumber in Gargs and Frost Wyrms, but I managed to do it! :-D
I'm gonna try it again but I hope it will be much quicker (I made many macro mistakes the first time around).
Nice! I've just tried with the shades, and it does work! Actually, 4 shades would do. Do this when Illidan is capturing an obelisk. Just surround him with 4 shades, equally spaced out, and it's game over. :D
I've tried blocking paths with shades on RoC last undead mission (defending Kelthuzad vs 3 humans) but it didn't work because they had no or very small collision radius. I've just assumed that's also true for TFT so I didn't bother ._.
"i summoned 24 crypts" XD bro your strategy is gold
Control minds of the enemy, make them kill themselves, revive them and make them attack their previous home. That's just brilliant lol
That’s just evil. That perfect for undead hah
Holy shit! That is literally "A Song of Ice and Fire".
+Raven Knight Vincent Yep, and this was 13 years ago, back in 2003.
DoomMantia Yeah, the book series has been here since the 90's. I don't really watch the show but my country just got a translation for the novel's first book. When I see this mission's name, I immediately know that it was a reference to Game of Thrones.
Yep, originally I thought Martin stole this idea when I first know the book's name
It's obviously a tribute reference, why would you ever think something like that is stealing, the whole concept of the game is similar to the books. the game pays tributo to a lot of things in case you didn't catch up.
@@juanarkantos what,?
I find it a lot easier to destroy Kael and Vashj's bases before taking all 4 Obelisks. It prevents me from sending my attack group(s) at the exact right times so that my base won't be caught off guard by Kael or Vashj. Though I never managed to destroy Illidan's base. Props to you!
Posession. Genius. Why the hell didn't I think of that? Sending wave after wave of dragons who just get instantly annihilated proved waaaay too frustrating, and I gave up in the end, but I knew it _must_ be possible. Now I know how.
1:35 "You're out of your league old King... You should've stayed hidden underground..."
man uber props! this is hardest mission in game good job taking it all the way to his base lolool
+Frittatas Its not that hard if you are aggressive. Illidan's strike force can be handled by sending Anubarack first and casting locust swarm. I attack coautls first, then Sirens, and Illidan last. Arthas can constantly heal him while Anubarack is tanking. After Illidan's force is softened up, send in the rest of your army for mop up.
The tricky part is timing. Kael and Vashj will attack your base. IMO, its better to not try to take all 4 obelisks and destroy Kael and Vashj's bases first. Destroying them gives powerful items as rewards too.
+Spectre In early time, you can take 4 obelisk very easy. use only your heroes and sneak behind illidan when he fight the neutral creeps. After he done fighting and is channeling the obelisk go their and kill him, claim the obelisk for yourself because you only use heroes, the rest of your army will be able to defend the base.
Very intense.
You should possessed a naga worker
Blizzard took account of this so you cannot build any structures with possessed workers. The only time they forgot to do this is in The Fall of Silvermoon.
@Delirium No, it's because you're Arthas, in Sylvanna's campaign you can build stuff with peasants. And you know, Sylvannas is the master of the Banshees.
@@llSuperSnivyll Yes and you can make unlimited heros in that mission xD
@Delirium I think in the world of Warcraft (pun not intended) there are souls. Banshees are souls because when they die they leave no corpse. When a banshee possess someone I think the peasant's soul dies, but not the brain. So, when the banshee possesses him, she has all the peasant's memories. Same with units with magical abilities.
Unless you think the brain just disappears which doesn't make sense at all.
@Delirium But why would the memory disappear? Unless the peasant had amnesia. Also, you never used banshees?
Well done. The big thing seems to be to destroy blue's two main harvesting buildings and harvesters in one attack; afterward you should have enough money to slowly take down the other production buildings to cut off reinforcements before taking their defending army out.
Instead of possessing and killing the turtles, you could have just killed them and stored their bodies in meat wagons and revive them 6 at a time.
XD
i really want warcraft 4 :(
Amazing
I wish you included the score at the end, would've been some insane numbers :D
To destroy Illidan's Base, we require:
-Gargoyle= Kill any units and structures
-Frost Wylm= Kill any units and structures
-Banshee= Control Poison Dragon and Rock Turtle
(Other units can choose the right time and place to kill them)
(Kill Rock Turtle for Arthas's Ultimate)
+Poison Dragon= Leash enemy troops away from base
(Other units have more time to process objective)
+Rock Turtle= Destroy primary structure
-Arthas's Ultimate= Summon Rock Turtles with no supply
(Does not require food, can have more units within 100 foods)
(Rock Turtles are the highest output against structure)
1:52:30 - Destroying Illidan's Primary structure (Prevent rebuild workers and structures)
1:57:16 - 2nd attack
2:00:47 - 3rd
2:03:18 - 4th
2:05:37 - 5th
2:08:03 - 6th
2:09:43 - 7th
2:13:13 - 8th
2:18:00 - 9th
2:21:42 - 10th
2:23:10 - Completely destroying Illidan's Base
For a challenge, have you tried destroying the Naga bases in Frozen Throne Sentinel mission 4? Maiev can blink to both the Naga bases, and her glaive throwers in the Runner's party can reach several buildings of the top left base. Also Maiev can find two stone totems in the preceding level to summon Rock Golems, and can bring healing wards with her. I've tried a few times but it still seems impossible.
awesome video, but what patch is this really? I think in TFT even on 1,07 the black citadel and halls of death shoot ice bolts instead of previous high-damage-those similar to spirit towers....and i think that frost wyrms on TFT have both magic attacks
Did this without using Destroyers, did not know how good those were. Would play last mission totally different nowdays. It was total Spirit Tower madness.
That patrol is the RTS version of teabagging
Woohoo! I managed to destroy Illidan's base and finish the mission in 2:06:00!
A few tricks I found in the level:
() Blue won't attack with Coutls if you don't own Frost Wyrms.
() In the beginning you can take out the two creeps at the top obelisk
and the item they carry before Illidan takes it; you'll only take a
little bit of damage if you're fast enough.
() Red and Teal will destroy an isolated Necropolis and then retreat if you don't activate most of the obelisks. I don't know how the AI aggressiveness scales to where they destroy the building and then continue onward, but that they'll probably retreat even after destroying an isolated Crypt if no obelisks were activated. This is obviously great for keeping one faction off of you while you attack or defend another.
() If I recall correctly, Blue always attacks with a similar size army to what you have, other than the first obelisk capture.
There are 4 tricks :P
BBspike100 : I edited the extra points in without fixing that; whoops XD
Hope you got a good introduction on what Dynamic Difficulty is by playing this mission.
Spectre : pardon?
Dynamic Difficulty is when the enemy force scales up in proportion to yours. The larger your army is, the larger the enemy's army becomes. It also tends to build units that specifically counter your troops as you already implied with Couatls showing up when you build Frost Wyrms. It basically punishes you for good macro.
Genial
Do you know if earlier versions of WC3TFT (If you uninstall and reinstall the game) you can possess murgul slaves and build naga buildings to train naga units?
I would guess probably not.
I've tried it on the first version and it's not possible.
It's weird, because controlling worker units to build up a force like that is possible on some missions, but not others.
Xavion251 I had a map hack program that let's you control the actions of AI and it turns out the Naga building can train Naga Royal Guard and apparently Blizzard do not want players doing that.
Only workers from the 4 multiplayer races can build stuff when possessed. Naga workers and Blood Elf workers therefore cannot.
I always wondered how and where did Illidan re-enter Azeroth.
I don't remember seeing any dimentional gate in Northrend...and such a contraption WOULD be required to assemble his entire armies....
So if he entered through the dark portal....how the hell did he and his blood elves manage to reach Northrend on time?
Atleast the naga could just swim there
wew
1:44:47 jump
ppl still watch it? cool! xD
Lol @ 2:11:34 , Campaign Heroes take up no food. You didn't need to kill Anub'arak.
BTW couldn't you have controlled a Naga worker so you could make Couatls and Turtles? I think it would've been easier.
EDIT: forget it, I just checked, those workers cannot build anything.
+DoomMantia It would be imbalanced if they could. You have to understand how OP 2 food on Coautls is.
+Spectre I do understand: chapter 5 of the Blood Elves campaign. Those things wreck everything, hard.
+DoomMantia Yea those things are as powerful as hippogryph riders, and twice as numerous, with abolish magic.
Do you think the other Naga units are balanced or are they OP too?
+Spectre The Royal Guards are OP as hell, but they cannot be trained in any of the Naga buildings. I think the rest of the units are imbalanced for the simple fact that they can move on water and be safe from any ground units (especially heroes).
DoomMantia Fun fact: The computer cheats in this mission. Illidan's Naga is actually at least 2 AI, not just one. That explains why he manages to send out so many forces to capture the obelisks yet has a very large defending force in his home base.
why ilidan dont attack last 2 hour ?
I think it's related to the AI. When Illidan's base gets attacked, the computer might decide to delay the next attack in order to recuperate from losses, even if there were no losses.
No sound?
I was never fond of gargoyles. Guess I was wrong.
why not possesing the royal guard?
Because he is immune to magic. Otherwise the mission would be a piece of cake.
lvl 5 units are the max the possess. I'm pretty sure it's above that+has resistant skin.
that would be awesome if it actually works. but sadly its not
@@sikic123 not inmune to magic, naga royal guards have resistant skin, which makes them immune to possession
omg raising the naga to swin across duh
vashj and kael...BUY SOME TP PLS!
if you take a banshee and get the naga builder make a naga base to make naga units your attack will be easy
Have you actually played this chapter?
Unfortunately, that ain't gonna work in this chapter, Blizzard fucked this shit up for a balance
no sound! gad dammit morra!
I wish Illidan had won the battle...
Me too
@@henrypotter243 no if he destroy frozen throne it will release shadowlands and her name is jailer he created the ner’zhul into the lich king which mean he take away frostmourne in the northrend and who ever touch will be death knight
why won't you just go to the freak'n obelisk??
Тупо сливал по кд всю армию вместо того, чтобы выманивать войска Иллидана, а в это время пушить черепахами с другого края. Нубасик, но упертый)
Почему бы не атаковать кучей скилетов. Труповозки + некроманты
Комп не реагирует на засамонненых юнитов. Animate dead соотвественно засамонненый юнит.
No sound?