The same disgusting thing happened to Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman, except they shared pictures of their corpses. The police aren’t fit for purpose, this stuff needs to be cracked down on. It’s unacceptable. If they don’t see us as humans deserving of basic respect even in death, how are they supposed to properly police us?
This is horrendous, sadly it’s not only police who talk like this about the people they are meant to protect and serve. I have been a support worker for vulnerable people and can tell you, the NHS, council staff, job centre workers, teachers ALL talk about the public in degrading and dehumanising ways. The state of this country, respect is gone and everyone is angry, depressed or just plain nasty.
Poor woman. She's admirable. Not the language I would have used, and it indeed trivializes their murders as well as makes them voyeurism. The problem is that this guy is probably not raised very well and doesn't possess basic language skills. There should be a code of ethics and he should have received discipline for unnecessarily communicating about it on a chat app. I don't know how the rest of the messages went, but there is an issue of class, education, and social media underlying all of this. I wish the mother and all the families the best.
Sack the chief constable. His whole force is rotten. He's had enough time to sort it out and failed!! Next he will arrest Jews for walking in public while the hate marches continue and get more violent.
How / why was this shared with victims family, who benefits? Of course police will use harsh language, they weren't speaking publicly. What kind of things do you think are said in the military? This poor woman, why's she being made to deal with this.
I've heard officers say they have to be like this to a certain extent to not suffer from the consistency of seeing/working in such horrific circumstances. Ambulance and fire the same, which i understand and the general public/victims generally don't, unfortunately. Not that I'm condoning it
It is not the best way or that nice to read -- but fact is police are faced with this kind of stuff a lot and so is it really surprising they speak in frank and blunt ways?
Heartbroken for them I honestly don’t think the police are trained or equipped for matters like these. I know people in the police force and I dread to think how they would respond to this, not a brain cell between them
It's difficult to judge without knowing what was in the other messages but on what has been disclosed I can't see this as anything other than individuals processing horrific things they had seen with colleagues who could relate to their trauma. They were not mocking the victims or trivialising what happened and they never intended the messages to be made public. We need to remember that police officers are humans and they see unimaginable things which would affect anyone. Same as medical staff - people go in with foreign objects stuck in various orrifices, do you really think they're not rolling around laughing about it in the staff room? The issue is that this was shared outside the group chat which obviously caused more pain for the families who didn't need to see it
@Justin-wj4yc of course not, how on earth did you get that from my post?! The comparison was between police officers and medical professionals, ie humans who see and deal with things completely beyond the realms of what the rest of us see and the private coping strategies being very different to the professional face
This is a ridiculous story. Police, fire and ambulance see stuff which the general public will never have to deal with. They witness death and destruction on a daily basis. So to them it’s just normalised to speak in certain ways which may come across as disrespectful, it just a coping mechanisms for them to not take it seriously, and take the emotional element out of it, if you didnt you wouldn’t last long at all. There are absolutely lines you shouldn’t cross, which unfortunately have been in the past. But for me this isn’t one of them times. Also this was a private message, it was never meant to be made public. I find it really hard to agree with what she is saying here.
No it was totally disrespectful!! It's about empathy, compassion & respect for any human life taken in such a brutal way! Shouldn't be doing the job if you don't have any of those traits!!!
She not right,if she saw what the police saw every day ,you do say things as you see them,it was a private chat ,freedom of speech has to be protected !!! Esp private chats at the sharp end of life
Wasnt that meant to just for colleagues to explain the exact situation? I dont think it was for the public...why make a big deal ? I am sure the police officers would never use it for public
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Barney , Grace and Ian deserve respect and dignity. Justice will be served ❤
Will it
I hope so but i don't count on it when the law are the perpetrators
I think his name was Barnaby
Poor lady we all stand with you we send much love your son would be soo proud of you❤️
The same disgusting thing happened to Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman, except they shared pictures of their corpses. The police aren’t fit for purpose, this stuff needs to be cracked down on. It’s unacceptable. If they don’t see us as humans deserving of basic respect even in death, how are they supposed to properly police us?
Emma is very brave. Emma loves her son and emma wants her son to be remembered as a beautiful soul who had a future and a fulfilling life ❤
This is horrendous, sadly it’s not only police who talk like this about the people they are meant to protect and serve. I have been a support worker for vulnerable people and can tell you, the NHS, council staff, job centre workers, teachers ALL talk about the public in degrading and dehumanising ways. The state of this country, respect is gone and everyone is angry, depressed or just plain nasty.
Poor woman. She's admirable. Not the language I would have used, and it indeed trivializes their murders as well as makes them voyeurism. The problem is that this guy is probably not raised very well and doesn't possess basic language skills. There should be a code of ethics and he should have received discipline for unnecessarily communicating about it on a chat app. I don't know how the rest of the messages went, but there is an issue of class, education, and social media underlying all of this. I wish the mother and all the families the best.
Doesn't shock me. Nothing with the cops shock me now. They are never held accountable. Frame innocent people etc.
Not many people want to join the police force so they're walking on a tight line... it used to be a respectable career...
@philiphaseldine1135 i have a cop in the family whose terrorising us at present. So i think i know more than you
Sack the chief constable. His whole force is rotten. He's had enough time to sort it out and failed!!
Next he will arrest Jews for walking in public while the hate marches continue and get more violent.
What hate marches. The one that a calling for a ceasefire?? What's hateful about that?
This has gone on for a million years, when you work with traumatic stuff. You need to dehumanise. Other wise its not possible.
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by the police not at all acceptable
I'm really really bothered by people's lack of principal and moral standards
Amazing woman.
Does anyone know how the messages were leaked.
Its absolutely disgusting these vile individuals should be sacked pensions stripped named and shamed. Clearly, they have morals or respect.
Your boss can't just steal a letter someone sends you. That's a crime.
How / why was this shared with victims family, who benefits? Of course police will use harsh language, they weren't speaking publicly. What kind of things do you think are said in the military? This poor woman, why's she being made to deal with this.
Tbh I agree, the way they were talking about these messages i thought they were gonna be way worse. Just guys being guys, unprofessional at worst
I've heard officers say they have to be like this to a certain extent to not suffer from the consistency of seeing/working in such horrific circumstances. Ambulance and fire the same, which i understand and the general public/victims generally don't, unfortunately.
Not that I'm condoning it
It's an excuse
This is all down to social media - So much abused
Emma needs to fight for Barney's law ❤
Absolutely shocking behavior from the police!
So disgusting
It is not the best way or that nice to read -- but fact is police are faced with this kind of stuff a lot and so is it really surprising they speak in frank and blunt ways?
Heartbroken for them I honestly don’t think the police are trained or equipped for matters like these. I know people in the police force and I dread to think how they would respond to this, not a brain cell between them
Asking the impossible .
It's difficult to judge without knowing what was in the other messages but on what has been disclosed I can't see this as anything other than individuals processing horrific things they had seen with colleagues who could relate to their trauma. They were not mocking the victims or trivialising what happened and they never intended the messages to be made public. We need to remember that police officers are humans and they see unimaginable things which would affect anyone. Same as medical staff - people go in with foreign objects stuck in various orrifices, do you really think they're not rolling around laughing about it in the staff room? The issue is that this was shared outside the group chat which obviously caused more pain for the families who didn't need to see it
Did you just compare a toy accident to a person murdered? Wha's wrong with you?
@Justin-wj4yc of course not, how on earth did you get that from my post?! The comparison was between police officers and medical professionals, ie humans who see and deal with things completely beyond the realms of what the rest of us see and the private coping strategies being very different to the professional face
This is a ridiculous story.
Police, fire and ambulance see stuff which the general public will never have to deal with. They witness death and destruction on a daily basis. So to them it’s just normalised to speak in certain ways which may come across as disrespectful, it just a coping mechanisms for them to not take it seriously, and take the emotional element out of it, if you didnt you wouldn’t last long at all. There are absolutely lines you shouldn’t cross, which unfortunately have been in the past. But for me this isn’t one of them times.
Also this was a private message, it was never meant to be made public. I find it really hard to agree with what she is saying here.
No it was totally disrespectful!! It's about empathy, compassion & respect for any human life taken in such a brutal way! Shouldn't be doing the job if you don't have any of those traits!!!
The problem is, it wasn't your son hence you do not understand!!
Nah, you're just aloof. It's a character deficit
She not right,if she saw what the police saw every day ,you do say things as you see them,it was a private chat ,freedom of speech has to be protected !!! Esp private chats at the sharp end of life
Exactly
@philiphaseldine1135 But why did so many of them access info on the crime that they werent authorised to access? Voyuerism plain & simple.
Found the looseeeeer
Wasnt that meant to just for colleagues to explain the exact situation? I dont think it was for the public...why make a big deal ? I am sure the police officers would never use it for public
They hid their conversations on private messages. They still shouldn't have shared this stuff if its offensive. They got caught.