I used interlink a lot to transfer mp3s from the computer I made them on to the computer I was putting in my car. On the parallel port it worked great and was quick. I tried it once using a serial port cable I got from work, it worked as well but was insanely slow, 35 minutes to transfer 1 song. Parallel transfers 8 bits at a time compared to serial that has to transfer 1 bit at a time. This is why most people used Parallel for file transfer
I do believe that the reason you couldn't do this in windows XP and above was because the serial port was virtualized(I could be wrong thou). And the slow transfer rate was probably either slow configured port or your ISA bus was saturated(you got the video card and ram expansion cards in there)
The laptop was full EPP/ECP, but the AT was likely stuck with AT protocol as there was no way to change. I did not know that about XP. It would make sense I guess.
I have a Dell Latitude D610 and it is my favorite laptop own, besides my Zenith Data Systems Z-note flex. That Dell laptop is so useful and I use it more than my Windows 7 laptop. FYI, my Dell is running Windows 2000 Professional and Server.
I am sure you could use a serial cable to transfer files if you don't mind slow transfer rate of about 11 kb a sec. You could open up a terminal program, such as you would use to connect to a BBS, and just configure it to use the serial cable (change the comport settings). Then use z modem transfer protocol, to transfer files. It's slow but it does work. I use to use it all the time back in the mid 90's.
I'm not sure why serial won't work on later OSes but as far as I remember parallel is much quicker than serial, so that's another reason why I wouldn't consider serial null modem for transfering files.
Also, DOS has something called Inerlnk and intersvr. I've never run the program on anything but DOS though, those files should work from a command prompt.
Probably the biggest bottleneck is that the parallel port on the DOS machine is likely running in "standard" mode. It would work faster (but still ultimately limited by the CPU) if you could switch the parallel port to EPP or ECP mode, assuming the system supports it, that is (Being that old, I doubt it does). During the late 90s and early 2000s, I used to use a Laplink-type cable to connect my laptop to my desktop using Windows built-in Direct Cable Connection protocol as a sort of crude LAN to do file and internet connection sharing, and since both of those systems supported ECP it could do 4mbit/s according to the network connection icon in the system tray.
Anyone heard ofThe Flying Dutchmen program for transfering files in DOS? I found it in an old computer and backed it up to disket, but have not used it yet. Looks to do the same as lap link but even works for 8 bit machines I beleive?
Hi how exactly do you put the remote program on the dos machine? I have no external floppy drives for my laptop so no way to put the dremote file on a 5.25 floppy disk in order to install it to my dos machine. What hardware did you use for creating the 5.25 inch floppy for your install? I couldn't find any usb external 5.25 floppy drives available anywhere so I'm really curious what you used since your remote machine Iike mine appears to only have 5.25 floppy drives.
Man, "ageing" is such a weird looking word to me today. I know it's spelled correctly, but for some reason, it looks a lot like the exact same error as writing something like"jokeing" to me. Nice video, regardless :)
A friend mentioned that too. Ageing is the more British way of spelling it. I'm glad you liked the video! I am particularly pleased that I don't have to download files on my main machine and transfer them to a translator machine (something with a 5.25 floppy) just to get data to this mighty beast! More videos to come, I just had a bunch going on this weekend.
what about a DLT installed on both computers, That idea will only work if both printer ports are EPP ports, can you not go into the BIOS and set the printer port to Extended Printer Port in both machines and see if the comms package works.
Old school, regular Parallel Port mode could do up to 150Kbps. Even if you were transferring at 100, it should have gone faster. This transfer should have taken 5 minutes or less....then again I guess the 8Mhz 286 had something to do with this haha.
I suspect the CPU and maybe the Hard Drive contributed to the reduced speed. Won't be able to tell unless I also tried another parallel transfer program.
Agreed. 18Kbps is just awful (www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=3501792+bytes+in+25+minutes+5+seconds). Even at half the speed it should have taken ~6 minutes (www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=3501792+bytes+at+75Kbps). Somehow 1/4th the theoretical transfer speed seems slow for IBM of... oh lord I just turned into that pedantic old crank. Good video though! Thanks.
I had no problems transferring files from a Dell Latitude E4200 running Windows 7 to a Toshiba T3200 with a serial null modem cable and a USB to serial port adapter off eBay. I used Total Commander and its client software for DOS, and even though I had some transfer errors, I could get across everything I wanted without major issues.
Nice ! But I preferr good old Norton Commander 4.0 - I transfer data from modern laptop - to a laptop with PCMCIA and with PCMCIA-> CF adapter. And from that laptof, from CF by LPT cable to any older PC - from IBM 5150 to P-1.
You mean Norton Commander ? Hmm.. Strange that's so unknown in the West - here IBM compatibles were unimaginable without it from late 80s to the end of the DOS age)
Wow that's slow. I prefer to use a 3COM 3C515 100Mbit ISA card with Windows for Workgroups 3.11 for faster transfers. Obviously this requires a 386 computer or better, but that same 3.5MB file would transfer in seconds. Good video though! I could never get laplink cables to work on any of my machines and I was always curious how DOS's built-in Interlnk would work.
lol that autofocus at the beginning made me think I was having a stroke
I used interlink a lot to transfer mp3s from the computer I made them on to the computer I was putting in my car. On the parallel port it worked great and was quick. I tried it once using a serial port cable I got from work, it worked as well but was insanely slow, 35 minutes to transfer 1 song. Parallel transfers 8 bits at a time compared to serial that has to transfer 1 bit at a time. This is why most people used Parallel for file transfer
I do believe that the reason you couldn't do this in windows XP and above was because the serial port was virtualized(I could be wrong thou).
And the slow transfer rate was probably either slow configured port or your ISA bus was saturated(you got the video card and ram expansion cards in there)
The laptop was full EPP/ECP, but the AT was likely stuck with AT protocol as there was no way to change. I did not know that about XP. It would make sense I guess.
I have a Dell Latitude D610 and it is my favorite laptop own, besides my Zenith Data Systems Z-note flex. That Dell laptop is so useful and I use it more than my Windows 7 laptop.
FYI, my Dell is running Windows 2000 Professional and Server.
They are great little machines! See my review of it on the channel as well!
I am sure you could use a serial cable to transfer files if you don't mind slow transfer rate of about 11 kb a sec. You could open up a terminal program, such as you would use to connect to a BBS, and just configure it to use the serial cable (change the comport settings). Then use z modem transfer protocol, to transfer files. It's slow but it does work. I use to use it all the time back in the mid 90's.
I'm not sure why serial won't work on later OSes but as far as I remember parallel is much quicker than serial, so that's another reason why I wouldn't consider serial null modem for transfering files.
Also, DOS has something called Inerlnk and intersvr. I've never run the program on anything but DOS though, those files should work from a command prompt.
I wonder if it can be used to go from Windows to DOS and the reverse...
18:07 25 minutes and 5 seconds?! WHATTA!
A standard LPT port will provide speeds of 40Kb/s to 60Kb/s.
Use your Norton Commander LPT link, Luke!
I may need to try another utility, though I still wonder if something else may be causing a reduction in performance. Thanks for the advice though!
Probably the biggest bottleneck is that the parallel port on the DOS machine is likely running in "standard" mode. It would work faster (but still ultimately limited by the CPU) if you could switch the parallel port to EPP or ECP mode, assuming the system supports it, that is (Being that old, I doubt it does).
During the late 90s and early 2000s, I used to use a Laplink-type cable to connect my laptop to my desktop using Windows built-in Direct Cable Connection protocol as a sort of crude LAN to do file and internet connection sharing, and since both of those systems supported ECP it could do 4mbit/s according to the network connection icon in the system tray.
Anyone heard ofThe Flying Dutchmen program for transfering files in DOS? I found it in an old computer and backed it up to disket, but have not used it yet. Looks to do the same as lap link but even works for 8 bit machines I beleive?
I have only seen references. Please copy those floppies and upload it somewhere! Share the wealth!
Hi how exactly do you put the remote program on the dos machine? I have no external floppy drives for my laptop so no way to put the dremote file on a 5.25 floppy disk in order to install it to my dos machine. What hardware did you use for creating the 5.25 inch floppy for your install? I couldn't find any usb external 5.25 floppy drives available anywhere so I'm really curious what you used since your remote machine Iike mine appears to only have 5.25 floppy drives.
Man, "ageing" is such a weird looking word to me today. I know it's spelled correctly, but for some reason, it looks a lot like the exact same error as writing something like"jokeing" to me.
Nice video, regardless :)
A friend mentioned that too. Ageing is the more British way of spelling it. I'm glad you liked the video! I am particularly pleased that I don't have to download files on my main machine and transfer them to a translator machine (something with a 5.25 floppy) just to get data to this mighty beast! More videos to come, I just had a bunch going on this weekend.
motor is way weirder.
I'm using a null modem cable to connect two P166s together for Doom play. It works fine.
what about a DLT installed on both computers, That idea will only work if both printer ports are EPP ports, can you not go into the BIOS and set the printer port to Extended Printer Port in both machines and see if the comms package works.
The IBM is probably limited to the AT Parallel port standard and there is no option in the bios for it. The dell was set to EPP/ECP.
Yeah, what's that? 2,333 bytes per second?
Old school, regular Parallel Port mode could do up to 150Kbps. Even if you were transferring at 100, it should have gone faster. This transfer should have taken 5 minutes or less....then again I guess the 8Mhz 286 had something to do with this haha.
I suspect the CPU and maybe the Hard Drive contributed to the reduced speed. Won't be able to tell unless I also tried another parallel transfer program.
Agreed. 18Kbps is just awful (www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=3501792+bytes+in+25+minutes+5+seconds). Even at half the speed it should have taken ~6 minutes (www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=3501792+bytes+at+75Kbps). Somehow 1/4th the theoretical transfer speed seems slow for IBM of... oh lord I just turned into that pedantic old crank. Good video though! Thanks.
I've never used external floppies in my life. I have no idea if any of my bios would even support parallel floppy boot.
I had no problems transferring files from a Dell Latitude E4200 running Windows 7 to a Toshiba T3200 with a serial null modem cable and a USB to serial port adapter off eBay.
I used Total Commander and its client software for DOS, and even though I had some transfer errors, I could get across everything I wanted without major issues.
Nice ! But I preferr good old Norton Commander 4.0 - I transfer data from modern laptop - to a laptop with PCMCIA and with PCMCIA-> CF adapter. And from that laptof, from CF by LPT cable to any older PC - from IBM 5150 to P-1.
Your the second person to mention that software. I'll have to find it!
You mean Norton Commander ? Hmm.. Strange that's so unknown in the West - here IBM compatibles were unimaginable without it from late 80s to the end of the DOS age)
For myself I can't imagine using dos without the NC )
Wow that's slow. I prefer to use a 3COM 3C515 100Mbit ISA card with Windows for Workgroups 3.11 for faster transfers. Obviously this requires a 386 computer or better, but that same 3.5MB file would transfer in seconds. Good video though! I could never get laplink cables to work on any of my machines and I was always curious how DOS's built-in Interlnk would work.
32bit? ow, my brains! all windows versions are 32 bit capable
Did I have a slip of the tongue somewhere?
i like parallel cables and windows xp
MISTAKES WERE MADE!
SO MANY MISTAKES.
Looooooser >:)
Having to shift a ton of files off C:\ to C:\WORD in DOS would constitute being a loser!