The Pivotal WWII Gun That Nobody Wanted to Put Down: The Plumber's Nightmare
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Initially designed and produced during WW2 for British soldiers, the Sten was developed as a direct response to both dwindling supplies of American made Thompson machine guns and the evacuation of Dunkirk, during which the British abandoned many thousands of guns.
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Today I Found Out 1:41 you talk about a Thomson machine gun but you show a pic of a ppsh 41 whith a drum mag
Do a video on the Russian PPS-43 please!
Yeah thats not a tomson sub machine gun. Its not even from the same contenent
*Fun Fact:* The villain in *A Rebel In Time* [by Harry Harrison] steals a Sten and the blueprints for it, and travels back in time to mass produce them, to arm the Confederacy. He chose the Sten because it’s so crude that it could be made using 1860s technology.
Today I Found Out 1:47 dude that's a ppsh 41
1:47, says Thompson, shows PPSH-41
Max Harter remember, magazine not clip. Gotta add that too.
Max Harter And took it a step further, calling a magazine a clip.
Thank u I was about to put that lol
I love this show, but i gotta say that this bothered me too.
definetly a brit
"Thompson"... this is glorious Ppsh-41
Indeed comrade!
😂😂
I cringed as well
Quite correct...yet little is said about this Russian firearm which was iconic.
I just wanted to point that out, too. 😂
My dad was a tankie and he said they used to get new stens and, against orders, strip them down and carefully stone and de-burr all the parts, and make sure that the magazines were good ones that fit properly. Bad Magazines were the primary cause of the Sten not functioning properly, which is the case with all self loading weapons, and especially sub-machine guns.
Dad said once theywere "sorted" they were very effective and quite reliable, as long as you kept the mechanism clean....
It was standard practise to only load 30 rounds instead of the full 32. The MP40 had the same problem as it was an identical magazine design.
@@somercet1 said by no one actually served. D-day, they followed orders... like with most operations...
Thank you.
Very cool
thank you your Dad's first hand account.
We: think that today we'll find something out about guns
Reality: we find something about guns - but it is that Simon know very little of them
That's cuz he's from England
What do you expect from a guy who thinks the Civil War was about slavery
@@HandleTakenlol funny how all letters of succession stated slavery as the reason, and also Corner Stone Speech said it was about slavery... Which was given by the VP of the CSA. The whole state rights BS was over states rights to have slaves.
Sorry fella history shows you to be wrong.
I forget the topic, but this guy has espoused anti gun sentiments regarding America. Cool channel, but he's a liberal by American standards.
Yes, Simon researches and edits these videos themselves. Oh wait-
Reality: we'll learn that some loudmouth dicks on the internet know very little about making videos.
The gun at 1:49 is a PPSH, not a thompson.
RRRnGAMES great work
noticed that also
I noticed it and came to look for this comment.
Yep, that's the Soviet PPSh-41 if I am not mistaken.
Well guess the editor is gonna get less pay.
Nazi: “Okay, drop your gun!”
Resistance Fighter: “Okay!”
*drops gun, causing it to auto-fire and kill everybody in the room*
DiscordOfDave I am genuinely surprised there are no stories of that happening.
True Lies style
Sounds like a deleted scene from Inglorious Basterds...
microspace 38 Because everyone in the room died
K *bang bang bang bang* Viva La Resistance bitch
Why TF were you showing a ppsh instead of a Thompson 1:50
logvoid shut up you fat mall ninja
@@adibpathan5742 Mall ninja. Do you think that guy is Paul Blart?
Today I found out you can’t tell ww2 era weapons apart
I understood the reference
Oh, good one! LOL
@@robertdevito5001 I'm happy for you Captain.
Or magazines from clips. Very cringeworthy.
Lmao, says thompson.....shows picture of ppsh
oof just realized that i noticed that and in my head said the fuck but thought nothing of it
N O O N E C A R E S
lmao, criticizes others.....has no talent himself
MoreThanJustASloth we do, so fuck of
yep its wood and has drum must be a thompson lol
So guys, I dont know if I got this right...so that in fact is not a Thompson and it is in fact a PPSH?
Did I get it right? Information in the comment section is a bit scarce
@Steve Terry in fully semi auto
You are right
Its a ppsh
You are correct
Wait until a few hundred more point it out before coming to any conclusion.
I'm guilty of it to at first, but i love how all but like 1 person didn't get the joke.
Surely it has a magazine, not a clip?
I’ve given on that common error ever getting corrected. I also hate “bullets” for loads or cartridges.
SWM how about “gun food”?
Correct! People keep messing that up.
I hope it hold Maxim magazines. These soldiers need something to read
@@your_royal_highness I've never minded bullets as at least their a component of the round. A clip isn't even a component of magazine.
"The Assassination of Heydrich" is an amazing book read it if you haven't! Damn horse hair in the seat of the car is what actually killed him (infection)
God bless that horse(s).
At least he had a slow painful death
There is a movie called "Anthropoid" too which is quite good.
Antibiotics would; have saved him?
That Thompson looks an awful lot like a PPSh-41
I believe you mixed up Thompson and PPSh-41 there slick
That is correct, he cant even google Thompson Submachinegun...
@@General_Eisenhower1945 Thompshashaw?
They had the same father.
🙂
Editor may have just mixed up the images. This video seems pretty well-researched.
I hate to be that guy, but the STEN takes magazines, not clips.
He did say mags earlier
Ian Cornell I don't live in the US, so where is the technical difference?
VoxelFusion yes we hate you being that guy too
VoxelFusion a clip is a older device used to load rifles with fixed magazines. M1 garand, Mosin nagant, k98 Mauser, all use clips. Stens, PPsh's, Thompson's and all semi auto handguns use magazines. You can't use the two interchangeably
Ian Cornell thanks!
The Sten gun with its side loading magazine became so iconically British that they stayed with the side loading magazine platform up through the 1990s in the form of the follow-on Sterling model (aka Patchett for its designer). BTW, in Star Wars the stormtroopers blasters are blank firing Patchets with short magazines posing as the "BlasTech E-11 Blaster Rifle"
In the late 1970's, while in the Territorial Army, I used the replacement to the Sten, the Stirling submachine gun. My issue weapon was the 7.62mm SLR, which I loved. In competition, I used the SLR, Stirling and the Browning High Power. When you consider that as far as I can recall, the only time I fired the Sterling was in competition, I thought that it was pretty accurate at 100m. I seem to remember that we were instructed to put 30 rounds in the magazine instead of 32 to prevent malfunction.
1. At 1:45, that's not a Thompson. That's a Soviet PPsH 41.
2. There's a channel called Forgotten Weapons that does great gun history for any looking for more.
3. Pipe style subguns like this are super common because they're so easy to manufacture. Almost every country who builds guns has made their own version at one point or another.
Yes, but, come on, Gun Jesus tops those guys imho, in knowledge at least.
Amercans have the M3 grease guns (tompsons were EXpensive and rare) , germans have the mp 38 and 40 s, brits the sten the auzies the owen . Ecc..
@@JB-ls5pq Only one of them still works after being immersed in mud. Cheap AND super reliable Owen. The army had to prise them out of the hands of our diggers in the 1970s.
Look for the Brazilian Uru on Forgotten Weapons
So your comments consists of a repost, a plug, an an obvious statement
You done fuck up. People will destroy you for showing a PPSH and calling it a Thompson.
Here are some quibbles with the video.
01:47 The Thompson M1921 issued to the British commandos used 20-round magazines and 50-round drums. The drums were notoriously prone to jams and failure and the magazines were quickly emptied. The Thompson weighed almost 11 pounds ( _with_ the 20-round magazine) - while an Lee-Enfield rifle weighed roughly 9 pounds. The simplified Thompson M1 carried by the US Army weighed 10 pounds, used a new 30-round magazine, and lacked the Blish Lock and Cutts compensator of the pre-war models. The British Army liked them, but they were too expensive to make ($200 each) and they had to be paid for in gold.
The Australians in North Africa were armed with a shipment of Thompsons that were ordered by France but were diverted to Great Britain just before the fall. The manuals that came with them were in French. They modified them by soldering the holes in the magazines shut to keep out sand and replaced the Blish Lock with a simple nut and bolt.
02:50 - 03:10 *9x19mm Parabellum* was originally sourced from the United States through Lend Lease and by buying up pre-war German- made and Austrian-made surplus from Bolivia. The American 9mm ammunition (using metric-conversion tooling rather than metric tooling) was not made to the same case-length margins as the European-made standard and could jam. (This quality-control problem was not addressed in the United States until the 1980s with the advent of the double-column "Wonder-Nine" pistols and the adoption of the M9 service-pistol). The older South American surplus ammunition and the Winchester-made new US ammunition had problems with the percussion caps failing. The German service Ball round used an 124-grain [8-gram] ogive-pointed bullet that the STEN had problems feeding. The British began making their own 9mm Parabellum ammunition (9mm Mk I ) in December 1941 to their own specifications that used a 115-grain (7.5-gram) round-nosed bullet and fed more reliably. The improved 9mm Mk II was produced from September, 1943 but didn't use an improved cartridge case until 1948. Captured German and Italian 9mm Parabellum ammunition was used for training purposes.
03:30 - 06:50 *Operation Anthropoid* The assassination attempt on SS-Obergruppenfuhrer Reinhard Heydrich, the deputy military governor of Bohemia and Moravia (Czechoslovakia). This should have been made into a video of its own rather than take up a chunk of this one.
07:18 *Woolworth's (F. W. Woolworth Company)* was an American chain that expanded overseas, not a British chain. (Australia and South Africa have local knockoff Woolworth's stores that use the name but were never part of the chain). Woolworth's reorganized as Footlocker in the 1980s and now focuses on selling sneakers.
The British Government originally used a copy of the Bergmann MP28 called the Lanchester. They were mostly given to the Royal Navy and Royal Marines (the rest were briefly used by the RAF) and weren't retired until after the Falklands War.
The STEN led to the invention of the product-improved Sterling smg. A prototype of the Sterling smg (the Patchett Machine Carbine) was field-tested by paratroopers during Operation: Market Garden.
I greatly respect a man of quality info.
I remember going to WoolWorths as a boy here in the States. They even had a lunch counter with the best hot ham and cheese sandwich’s accompanied by fresh milk. That was in the early 1980’s. Currently in the downtown area of the town I live near the WoolWorth building still stands including the name across the front although the retailer of the same name is no longer in business. Oh and no lunch counter either lol.
Cheers mate
WoolWorths is alive and well in Australia
The lunch counter from the old Woolworths in Greensboro, North Carolina, is in the Smithsonian now as a central artifact in the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s. Four young Black men staged the first sit in there. They were taunted and threatened, but they refused to leave. Am a 3rd generation Quaker from Guilford County, NC, where Greensboro is the seat. Have always thought it was the liberal Quaker community there that set the stage for the sit in...
@@vandercecil9449 rap music much?
@@freddymarcel-marcum6831 what does rap music have do with that historical event?
Woolworths is now a supermarket chain here in Australia.
I feel like they put a picture of a PPSH just to piss off all the history buffs
It worked, they all got triggered to high heaven. (pun intended)
Hate to break it to you guys, but the Thompson at 1:46 is actually a Soviet Papasha SMG.
Spoil sport. ;)
Benjamin Danielsen i am having soo much fun saying its k-50m
CologneCarter if you want a giggle do what i'm doing but say sa80 that will really upset them
Hate to break it to you, but you wrote the same unoriginal comment every single person wrote.
I purchased a Sten MKII 30+ years ago before the ATF clamped down on sales and drove the prices up. It is a fun gun to shoot, very controllable on auto and very accurate at pistol distances even thou the sights are a crude design. As mentioned in the video, it will sometimes continue shooting for a few extra rounds after the trigger is released. A quick cleaning of the bolt assembly and catch mechanism takes care of the extra rounds problem. It is of very simple design and construction with nothing extra. It has two firing modes, single shot and auto, no safety. It fires from the open bolt position and there is a notch the bolt lever can be placed into when it is all the way back that functions as a bolt lock (safety). With it firing from the open bolt, it could fire accidently if dropped. As mentioned in the video, magazines can be a problem, I originally purchased 8 Sten mags but it only likes 4 of the 8 with no detectable difference in them.
I gotta say, despite being a limey - and making a few superficial mistakes, as pointed out elsewhere in the comments - you definitely exercise due diligence in ensuring accurate information is given concerning firearms. As a red blooded American, I salute you, sir!
The Sten was also simple enough that it could be made by suitably equipped resistance cells. A ww2 Sten toolshop is in the Polish army museum in Warsaw, along with other Polish resistance items.
1911 in the Philippines now. Lol
And used stolen German ammunition.
Thirty Rounds Later by Norm Carlson
... About this time, some of my high-quality training started to kick in, reminding me not to skyline myself. I stopped abruptly, intending to pass this tidbit on to the corporal and suggest we change our tactics. But, in the darkness, he bumped into me and momentarily lost his footing. While jostling about, there was a heck of a bang as his Sten gun fired...
The shock of having his weapon fire without warning probably caused my comrade's next problem. He dropped his gun. After the initial shot the weapon must have re-cocked itself, because when it hit the ground it recommenced firing. We could see by the muzzle flashes which way the weapon was pointing. Each time it fired, the recoil would spin the gun in a circle, faster and faster. It seemed that each round was headed directly at my feet; no doubt my partner thought the same.
At first we did some shy polka steps to avoid getting hit, but as the rotation speed increased so did our dance. With about 10 rounds to go the muzzle of the weapon started flipping up, as if looking for a larger target. It was then that the first primitive steps of what would later become known as break-dancing came into being...
The firing stopped as abruptly as it had started, leaving us both gasping for air. The corporal picked up his weapon and ripped off the magazine, no doubt to ensure that it couldn't start firing again. We confirmed that the magazine was indeed empty; all 30 rounds had fired without a stoppage.
With great relief we found that neither of us had been hit...
The picture you showed of a Thompson was a PPSH, a Soviet SMG. It fired from an open bolt and had a extremely high rate of fire, most military experts would say it was too high but I still want one. Even if I can’t afford to feed it
when the mercedes reached the benz in the road.....
I saw a picture of the "bend" in the road taken right after the attack. The jammed Sten is still lying in the road, near the curb. The bend actually resembles a round-about, being approximately a 120-degree bend. Heydrich's car couldn't have been going more than 15 mph, maybe less.
You showed a PPSH-41 instead of a Thompson
Best_bud1 Productions I caught that too :D
Remember: When you're dealing with something that could save or endanger peoples' lives, beware the lowest bidder! Unless the higher-bidding offers result in so few units that shortages would also endanger peoples' lives. Man, war planning is hell...specifically, the hell of trying to balance hell in your nation's favor. And usually failing.
My Uncle was a Sargent Major in the Canadian Army during WWII,he told me that ANY Sten he was issued until the end of the war needed to be looked over and "modified ", that meant filing down the parts that did not fit together.With this being done, it kicked ass over the MP 40.Have to love the British for using enemy ammo against their opponents ! Would love to have one of my own !
Forgotten Weapons has a great video series on The Sten gun, Ian covered a lot of this, but also disassembles one. Gun Jesus and Mr. Whistler covering the same SMG is awesome.
I love your videos, and they're usually very accurate but this one had a lot of flaws. You couldn't just "whack" on a silencer or new sights, the muzzle had nothing to attach a silencer to, the MKIIS was integrally suppressed, it was manufactured that way and the suppressor couldn't be removed. Secondly, there was never a way to put new accurate sights on it, they were fixed and had no mounts.
"He succumb to infection and died!"
When I served in the Royal Artillery from 1956 through 1959.
I was issued the Sten Gun, alongside my Lee Enfield 303.
As a Radar Operator, the Sten was issued basically because it was small and easily stored in either Radar Sets, Tactical or Fire Control.
We were trained to use the Sten, and how to operate and maintain it.
However we actually trained with it rarely. Just enough to allow us to use is, if it became necessary.
We had more training on our Rifles. Where I became a Marksman.
Same can’t be said about the Sten.
But there really no need to become a Marksman with it.
Close fighting it was spot and spray. Although mostly that was in case we were ever attacked.
As a Mobile Unit, the chance of that happening were slim to none.
So basically our training was on our Rifles. Where any engagements would be at a distance.
Our training was what every Soldier went through, no matter their position. Cook or any other support positions.
The Sten gun filled a gap, other than the better designed Bren Gun, against the better armed Germans.
So cheap and plentiful was the rule of the day. Thankfully the only shots I fired, were at the Rifle Range, at Cardboard Targets.
But I believe it was basically to give the British Soldiers some comfort in a close up battle. But the Trusted and efficient Lee Enfield, was accurate and dependable.
live in virginia, when I was a kid my dad had a british 303, i saw him shoot a goose out the air at about 200 meters with open sights, also though a large tree. it is just a badass rifle
Honestly nobody else can pull off a title this long and still say it in the amount of time it takes for a normal 3 to 5 word title props to you. Enjoy the like
1:47 is a ppsh not a Thompson the magazine doesn’t make the gun
Brendan Donaghy beat me to it by 41 seconds...
Are we just going to ignore the "thompson" being a ppsh-41
Christian Moore no. We have to fix this. Let's fucking riot
No, every third person is going to point it out despite there already being a thousand fucking comments to the same effect.
rkvktmen and then all the other comments are about how he called a magazine a clip.
That is a work of Russian bots for sure...
PosranaRegistrace “Holy shit everyone who talks about anything remotely related to Russia is a bot!!!” Please, stop watching CNN
7:49...entire 'clip'? I thought the Sten used a 'box magazine'. .......and yes, the PPsH thing.......LOL.
Heard a story from my grandfather that they'd throw sten guns into rooms like grenades. When it hit something and went full auto, it'd spin and pepper all 4 walls
I'm Chris Lane, and on today I found out.... These actually use a 30 round box spring magazine. Not a 30 round clip. 😏
The good old Sten. The mad dream of a medal worker with to many pipes laying around.
We're so lucky to have so many gun experts here! Thank you all for pointing out the obvious. I mean, what would the world do without you all!?
You're welcome... 👍😎😁
6:08 the way he wears his hat in the black and white photo made it seem as if he was missing his frontal lobe.
@@mdsuave13 me too!🤣
Omg it IS a hat. I didn't hear a single thing he said while trying to figure out that image.
It's not really a hat but okay.
It's a garrison cap.
It wasn't modelled of the MP38, not directly. Both the STEN and MP38 were modelled after the MP28. The British first made an almost exact copy of the MP28 in the form of the Lanchester Submachine gun, and STEN was based on simplifying that design.
In all this, the magazine hardly changed at all, probably on purpose to maintain compatibility.
Treblaine That's incorrect. The Sten was its own design (albeit a very simple one). The Lanchester, however, WAS a British gun which copied the MP28's design.
That's exactly what I said, STEN was its own design, but modelled on the MP28. Modelled on in the sense of trying to use the same magazine, particularly that unusual double stack to single stack arrangement. STEN is it's own design but it's clearly not entirely built up from nothing, it's building on the Lanchester which was a fundamental copy of the MP28.
MP28 was the "standard" submachine gun in Europe in 1930's, it was everywhere, almost everyone had some experience with it and while the Thompson submachinegun might be more well known, it wasn't respected by Officers, they saw it as a gangster weapon.
The MP38 was the precursor to the MP40, I recommend forgotten weapons, they have a great video with actual examples of the guns
The mp28 was a post ww1 version of the mp18 so the mp28 was modified for the german police to the requirement of the treaty of Versailles
This is true. The weapon can accept all of those magazines as well. I’ve had the chance to try a Sten MKII with a 50 round Lanchester magazine.
You should do a "Loose Lips DID sink ships" episode.
Featuring boneheads like senator Andrew May who, after being given a short tour of the Naval situation, blabbed to the press that our submarines had little to worry about since they could dive deeper than the Japanese destroyers were setting their depth charges. The Japanese navy quickly fixed that oversight after it was published. >.>
NefariousKoel I have read variations of this story since the late 60s,and never before encountered an attribution. Thanks for that.
paul manson another example would be the battle of midway. The Japanese were over confident over their encryption skills and blabbed constantly about their attack plans. We discovered their plans to attack the vulnerable midway atoll and heavily reinforced it.
@@TheShadowcompany1 wasn't exactly "blabbed constantly" - they discussed the necessary ship movements, from which we could infer they were going to attack somewhere (they referred only to objective "AF"), but we weren't sure where that was until shortly beforehand - through a brilliant trick: Midway was instructed to send an uncoded message that their water purification system had broken down, and shortly after the codebreakers intercepted and decoded a Japanese message that "AF was short on water".
Carl Jacobsen
They were able to send this command to Midway by a submerged dedicated telephone line
@@CarlJacobsen Haha love it :D
6:45 is one of Simon’s best moments. “... a few weeks later he succumbed to his wounds and died.” *said with ever so subtle grin of happiness. LOLZ
In terms of early 1940’s GBP the Thompson cost well over £100 - I’ve seen £114 quoted. At peak production King George was getting a Sten for £1, 5 shillings (£1.25). The design seems to have been sorted out with the Stirling. Somebody has apparently been producing Stirlings in .45 ACP, which would indicate acceptance of the basic setup
1:49 not every gun with a drum magazine and a wooden stock is a Tommy gun.
Angel Samael Thompson
oh piss off
Good job kiddo. Keep up the great work
Maybe make a video on Today I found out a magazine is not a "clip".
A reality based on fantasy and that a ppsh isn’t a Thompson.
FishFind3000 beat me to it
Or maybe a video about how youtube comments are all the same
Today I found out that people can get really angry over small things.
Can confirm, stens are jam machines. It's not just the feed angle of the magazine, it's the seating depth as well. I fired one once that the magazine inserted about an eighth or a sixteenth of an inch too deep and the result was the bolt face glancing off the magazine in such a way that the bolt didn't impact with enough force for the firing pin to set off the round.
2 of the scariest sounds a firearm will make, click when it's supposed to bang and bang when it's supposed to click.
That's a PPSH-41 at 1:46 guys, most assuredly not a Thompson. Not everything with a drum magazine is a Thompson.
Arie Heath when your about to comment something but someone and put what you wanted to say.
Malcolm Favela yes your on my side.
The picture you feature when talking about the prices of the Thompson Machine Gun was actually a soviet PPSh. And much like the Sten Gun, the PPSh was largely made from stamped metal with very little machining. This made the PPSh a cheap and quick gun to produce.
Sweden had a gun inspired by the STEN, the Carl Gustav m/45. It was super reliable, and just completely awesome. Although it's nearly impossible to shoot only one bullet with it.
Years ago I talked to a member of a world war two resistance . The Sten gun came up in the conversation . He didn't have a bad word to say against it . He told me that they would be hidden in the bed of a stream and worked perfectly when dug up .
3:59 "indeed it will entirely empty the whole "clip" "
*sten uses a box magazine *
Exactly!!!! He has heard to many ignorant anti gun people talk about guns.
Or just not being a gun enthusiast he doesn't know the difference. TBH it doesn't fooking matter as we all know what he meant.
I'd blame N64's Golden Eye for him calling it a clip.
When you picked up ammo, it would say that you picked up a clip for almost all of the guns, even though almost all of them used magazines.
I made the same mistake for years when I was little, until I learned the difference between the different ways to load a gun (my family is fairly apathetic to the existence of guns, so we never owned one).
Mohamed Shwesh
He said both. Quit bitching.
Now you're just nitpicking
FYI 450-550 rounds per minute is the sweet spot for an SMG. In properly trained hands, and with a STEN that can be taught quite quickly, light short presses of the trigger of a quarter of a second or means a burst of three to five rounds. Because the STEN has mass and therefore inertia, the burst will have been fired before recoil causes the muzzle to rise.
Interestingly there was a test performed using two groups of Soldiers. One group were Guardsmen, all professional soldiers and therefore expert marksmen, and a second group who were conscripts. All competent riflemen but absolutely not expert. It was found that shooting at a target that was moving and simulated an enemy soldier who was a fleeting target, the conscripts were much better shots with the STEN used in short bursts. They scored something like three hits per ten rounds fired as apposed to one round with a rifle.
leighrate I'd say, recoil wise, the sweet spots are between 400 and 500 rpm and 900 and 1000 rpm, 400 because you have enough time between shots to realign the sights, and 1000 because it's so fast, it's like a constant force which makes it easier to adjust.
Erwin Rommel 900-1000 is also too fast for an straight blow back SMG, that's 16.66 rounds per second. Now if it was limited to three or five rounds bursts t would be worth it.
leighrate Yeah, but it's so fast, it almost feels like a constant push, like a water hose of sorts, which is quite easy to control with a pistol caliber gun
The ppsh-41 is a simple blowback that is in the realm of a thousand rounds a minute. Also the the slow fire rate of 500-ish gives time between shots to realign, yet engineering fire rate for grouping has always been the quicker the fire rate, the more rounds before recoil takes full effect. Also, being an open bolt, accuracy will take a knock due to the weight of the bolt slamming forward before the initial (and subsequent) discharge(s).
Sinister Thoughts The problem at the higher rate of fire is that unless you have a burst limiter, which rather defeats the object of the exercise in terms of K.I.S.S. mass production, it takes a great deal of training, experience and self discipline to use effectively. You average conscript with three months of training (if he is lucky) will probably empty the magazine in two bursts.
Well, today I found out that you can make a full video of fun wartime facts, and people's biggest takeaway is that you showed the wrong gun when talking about the Thompson. Humanity is special.
I have fired a lot of Sten Guns, mostly the MK2's. Magazines were the only real problem with jamming,failure to feed the 9mm cartridge into the breech for slam firing by the fixed firing pin in the bolt face. Having a number of Stens to play with with a Class 3 firearms dealer I discovered how to greatly improve the reliably of the SMG. (1) Magazines were no interchangeable with the Sten. A magazine that worked fine in one Sten might jam in another Sten. This was a function of the positon of the fixed ejector welded to the inside of the receiver tube.This in relation to the feed lips of the single stack magaine. After expermenting a bit I could look at the magazine lips and then the positon of the ejector and decide without firing the magazines that were likely to work well witha specic Sten. (2) The single stack magazine was the source of most jams. Of course it could not even be loaded without the steel loading too, something like a steel thumb device,However if you did not laod the 32 round magazine with more than 29 to 25 rounds and matched the maagaine to the spcicific Sten as described, then it would generally be reliable. If the magazine had only say 10 rounds you arely had a jam. If a modification of the bolt, and double stack magazine for it were used (as in the Sterling SMG that replaced the Sten) you had remarkably reliable SMG that could be loaded without a loading tool as well.
Anyone else notice the "Thompson" was actually a Russian ppsh 41?
Yes. Was about to comment when I saw your entry.
Yeah... you can tell they don't know much about guns.
No, no one else did. Sorry bud, looks like you're alone on this one.
The picture shown referencing the Thompson Submachine gun is not the Thompson SMG, but the Russian PPSH-41. They’re very different in style and manufacturing.
Thompson weren't only dwindling, they were £50, the Sten was based on a simplified German SMG and cost £4 (you give the dollar at the time)
As an aside the Thompson was too expensive even for the US, they supplemented with the Grease Gun where they could.
My father qualified expert with the Thompson. While sitting in his foxhole on Gela beach, a half naked ginger approached him carrying a couple of Thompsons. The man explained in a thick Scots accent that he been in Sicily for 12 days and wanted to trade Thompsons for American Bowie knives. My father was rather startled as the invasion of Sicily had only started eight hours before, but he agreed to the trade. He felt that anyone who had been playing hide and seek with the German army for almost two weeks would put his knife to good use.
Expense of production wasn't the main problem with the Thompson. Slow production was the problem. They simplified it into the M1A1. It was still too slow. So they designed the M3 Grease Gun and others.
@@JohnP538interesting event.
@@fictionindianspaceprogram-222 My father was the corporal in charge of a halftrack. He jumped on any Thompson he could find. By the time he left Gela Beach his vehicle had four Thompsons, the old .30 caliber stashed under a seat and a new .50 on the tripod..
A common problem resulted from attempting to cram too many cartridges in the magazine, due to weaknesses in the war-production spring metal. My father was involved in their manufacture, as a production engineer - his job was to enable production of the various parts at several different factories, thus reducing the likelihood of air-raids stopping the weapon’s manufacture. He described them as “cheap and nasty”. At peak production, apparently, King George was getting a Sten gun for 25 shillings
The Sten uses a magazine, not a clip.
This is an important distinction because there is also an ammunition loading device called a clip.
A clip is a disposable device used to load the (usually fixed) magazine of certain weapons.
No it does not matter We still get what he means they can be used interchangeably and we all still know what he means. Why does everyone get so butt hurt when someone who doesn't know guns says clips or mags? It literally couldn't matter less.
A not so cynical reason would be because getting technical things correct has a value to it. Firearm engineering, like all types of engineering, has a set of well defined wordings.
But perhaps a more cynical reason is that the gun-banning communities have decades of history of trying to introduce/mix up terms in attempt to scare politicians and the general public, in an attempt for tighter gun control. Terms like assault weapon, fire rate enhance device, destructive weapon, legally defined pistol, sporting purpose, etc have no real meaning except to further take away the gun right from the people who cherish it.
@Patrick Lee, it matters a great deal, when he is detailing the history of a weapon, and that in its time period many guns actually used used clips, and not magazines. That is a pretty significant detail when trying to educate someone about the history of a weapon. And what your saying is, if someone was educating you about an apple, and said it was filled or grown with orange seeds, you would say "No it does not matter We still get what he means they are both fruits". And it isn't interchangeable, if I said, bring me a magazine, and you brought me a clip, the gun wouldn't work. Further more, If he, or the person who wrote his script dosn't know that about a gun, they shouldn't be trying to detail the history of one, and so poorly as to use the wrong images for the guns, and call them the parts by the wrong name. So, in fact it couldn't matter more. But a fork is just a spoon right? Because they are both for eating food with.
Say i load my rifle with a clip of ammunition, then, i fired until dry. I fired an entire clip. This pedantry needs to stop because it's fucking retarded.
@@theelementofminecraf no, they are not interchangeable, there's a big difference between the two, and it only adds to confusion if you say one but mean the other. Precision is important here, there are multiple mistakes in this video. Disappointing.
Woolworths 7:17 was a US retail chain based in New York known for selling inexpensive items and were very successful in the 1920's to the 1960's . They had stores all over the USA, England and Europe. They closed all their Woolworth stores in the USA in 1997 and 2008 in the UK, changed their name and are now the parent company of FootLocker.
Good fact check.
I was under the same misapprehension as Simon. I guess the myth that it was a British only store comes from its longer existence in the UK.
The “Thompson” picture is really a Russian SMG.
My stepfather was in the 3rd Army under Patton: he was issued an M3 'grease gun' and hated it...said it would sometimes fire off a whole clip even tho his finger was off the trigger. Also made of cheap stampings made by GM's Guide Lamp division it was cheap and easy to produce.
That gun you showed while talking about the price of the Thompson is a Soviet PPSh41, not a Thompson. The only similarity is the drum magazine.
Evan Friend keep up the good work, sonny
Today I found out has seen me through many plumbers nightmares
The best way to describe the sten is “angry tube(/pipe)”
Since it’s a very basic direct blowback gun, the trigger isn’t so much a thing you pull to make it fire it’s more of just taking away the small bit of metal that jams the bolt back... this is also why they’d fire when you didn’t want them too all you had to do was nock the wee wedge out of the way and the guns off.
It’s important to also mention the Lanchester MkI* that the British Navy adopted. The weapon is basically their version of the MP28/II, except fitted with a 50 round magazine. The original Sten MkI was a largely stripped down Lanchester and the magazines are also interchangeable.
The Sten’s history actually goes beyond WWII: here in America, Special Forces used suppressed Sten guns in the early years of the Vietnam War, and there are cases of Stens popping up on battlefields even today.
> Talks about a Thompson
> Shows a PPSH
Pandoras Flame ooh, greentext format. This one's at least creative
"Succumed to infection and died!" read in the happiest tone available!
It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
The seats of the car were stuffed with horse hair. That is what is believed to have caused the infection.
*magazine. Lee Enfields and Garands used clips, that is a magazine.
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Both have magazines. The Lee Enfield is possible to operate without clips even, and has a detachable magazine, but soldiers weren’t issued multiple magazines due to costs and were instead given stripper clips - much like the case with the German G41 and G43. The M1 Garand has an internal magazine loaded with 8 round en bloc clips, and is not possible to operate as a semi auto without a clip loaded into the action.
@John Smith LeeEnfield had 5 round stripper clips to fast load. Similar to 10 round SKS stripper clips. They weren't end block. They weren't part of the action so to speak.
Up here in Canada the powers that be have no idea how much lead an Enfield can throw down range fast if one has a good supply of loaded stripper clips.
Can't recall if it was WW1 or 2, but in one engagement the Germans thought they were up against semi or full Auto Brits only to discover a squad with SMLEs.
He only calls it a clip the first time. Says magazine after that
nobody cares
"STEN acronym> Shepherd, Turpin, Enfield
I was once admonished harshly for pronouncing it “sten” and informed that it was properly pronounced “Stein” which is it?
You need to do a little more research. If you don’t know about something ask an expert. I do like the program just not when you don’t know your facts.
lol everybody is horrified by the PPSH-41 called a thompson HAHAHA, what a mistake! Don't try to compete against C&Rsenal and Forgotten weapons.
The Australian OWEN gun deserves a review as it eliminated the worst featured of the Sten, and proved a valuable weapon in Jungle warfare, being produced by a Country that normally relied on weapons provided by its Allies.
It's a shame they were not used instead of stens.
Thompson was about $200. The Stem came in under $20.
The Sten was a simplified and stamped version of an MP28 acquired from Ethiopia. It suffered from the same double stack single feed magazine. A safety was added when the "charging hook" was replaced by a knob that can be pushed in to lock bolt.
It is possible the quality of ammunition and magazines contributed
F W Woolworth was an American five & ten cents store chain that had a large number of outlets in the UK. The Woolworth Tower is situated in Manhattan, NYC.
I think it still exists in the UK though. I remember in the 90s when the US Woolworths went out of business, I think I heard was still around in the UK.
Woolworth’s UK store operation ended around 2009. However, it was bought up by a company named ‘Shop Direct’, and traded online as Woolworth.co.uk for a while. But it would seem that the Woolworth name is now gone, and the online shopping now goes under the name of ‘Very’.
"Mannequin" was filmed at Woolworth's 😮
1987 movie. Things have changed since those days.
Apparently there has recently been an attempt at a revival of the stores.
At 1:47 I immediately went to the comments to be the first to comment on the fact it was a PPSH. Unfortunately, the other 90%of commenters noticed it too...
You need to research your articles. Especially the imagery.
A chronic wanker albeit well choreographed in his hand dance routine
I stuck around until the part where you said "Thompson" and showed a PPSH-41 and thought, "This is where I get off."
4:13, says MP38, shows MP40
the other gun is not thomson either. itis russian ppsh
They're essentially the same gun. The PPSh41 and the Thompson are not at all similiar, however.
Max Harter iT is a mp38 because iT has groves the mp40 didnt have groves
diesel32012, that's an extremely minute detail. I have a more advanced knowledge of firearms than a fair number of people. Nobody's perfect
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@Today I found out that is a Russian ppsh-41 not a Thompson
the assassin431 thanks
I always enjoy these videos.... always an eye-opener
I like the STEN. I built a semi auto Mk2 on a parts kit and it works ok considering ancient and battered magazines. Pleasant to shoot and easy to control. A bit off balance from the side mount magazine but not too bad.
The picture you used was a Russian gun not a Thompson
little whirlwind cochran incredible
Because the British armed forces took all firearms for use in the fighting, Home Guard volunteers had to use old blunderbusses and raided museums for old weaponry.
Churchill even said that every man should have a weapon even as primitive as a mace or a pike. Apparently someone took his words literally and 250,000 pikes (essentially a pole with a bayonet stuck on the end) were made
Pikes and maces/ spiked clubs had been in 19th century still emergency weapons in revolution/ rebelions , also warskytes. But in 20th century such weaponry, also pickaxe handles and baseball bats , are only useable for police or security guards.
I once held a deactivated Sten (owning a fully automatic firearm in the U.S. is EXTREMELY expensive and intrusive).
The Sten was okay, but not designed by people who had been in the field. As you mentioned far too many openings to the mechanical bits, and the magazine was shite.
On the other hand, the AK-47 is a crude work of art. The designer and his engineers clearly listened to combat troops. It performed amazingly well for being mostly cheap stampings.
Of course the AK is better, it's based off german engineering, hell it was almost entirely designed by Hugo, same guy that designed the STG-44
Excellent delivery and insight...
That's a ppsh-41... not a thompson...
That was a PpSH not a thompson?
A British Army platoon was on the march when a Private dropped his Sten, which fired a round into the groin of a nearby corporal. Their platoon leader immediately condemned the Sten as having been made with no goal aside from cheap and quick mass production.
Man that was awesome. Always wondered why the sten would jam when playing Wolfenstein
As everyone else pointed out, the smg shown at 1:50 is a Soviet PPSh-41, not a Thompson.
Stephen Malturin so why did you comment
Magazine, not clip
Ilhan Bayram Yalcin my favourite book is magazine,my favorite food is Mc nuggets.
Ilhan Bayram Yalcin
He said both.
Ilhan Bayram Yalcin alright already
Ever watch the movie Rango? "Heck, he died of infection".
I've never heard of a Sten cooking off a whole mag when dropped. Just one round. When dropped in line with the barrel, the bolt only has to bounce the length of the mag. Then the main spring pushes it back forward, stripping s cartridge off the mag, into battery and firing. That force should send the bolt back far enough for the sear to lock it open, ready to fire when trigger pulled
during basic one of my sergeants took a Sterling and demonstrated why you should never trust your safety. he loaded it with blanks and dropped it on the ground, well it went off like the scene in true lies where Jamie lee Curtis dropped her smg. I have never bothered with the safety since , I just make sure the only time I have a round in the chamber is when I'm going to fire. P.S. the Stirling is just a cleaned up version of the Sten
@@danmohan9932 that's not a fair comparison. A blank probably won't have enough power to force the bolt all the way back to the sear. most military rifles have a restricter or choke that fits on the end of the barrel to send more gas pressure the other way when firing blanks.
I should of mentioned, if the recieved where the bolt rides back and forth is really dirty, it could have the same effect. Pushing the bolt far enough to strip another cartridge out of the magazine, but not far enough to reach the sear. I'd hate to think any soldier would let his weapon get that filthy dirty.
@@robertdeen8741 Well now you have me trying to remember if he had the BFA. on it. Well it was only 43 years ago I should remember eh.