What's So Great About Titanium in Folding Knives?
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I can’t seem to escape the hype of titanium. It literally is with me 24/7 in the form of a mitral heart valve. It came standard with deep carry feature!
FlamQ Dbltap without a doubt. I’m a beat up old Navy pilot that wouldn’t be here without those doctors and a little luck
Gives “deep carry” a whole new meaning lmao
Ditto. Ti mesh over a hole drilled behind my right ear.
This clicks...
I mean I would say it’s a different type of hype and connection since it’s literally keeping you alive
Has a lot more meaning and significance which is really cool
Regarding weight vs steel, it's important to remember that for ergonomic purposes there is a minimum thickness that people will tolerate from a knife they actually cut with, or even just as a fidget toy. Titanium allows solid handle pieces at modest weight but with metallic durability and without the hog heaviness that the same handle would be with steel construction. With all the time required to mill out enough pockets in a steel scale, you might as well go with the corrosion proof titanium and not need to worry about getting intense with your internal milling
I prefer the weight of a full titanium handle, don't mind the scuffing as I use all of my knives and it adds a bit of character...
I learned some things! I would also add that titanium sounds really cool from an auditory perspective on a full ti knife. Something truly satisfying about that sound 🔊 with lock up. I equate it with a premium knife for whatever reason.
Metal complex is my 2nd favorite reviewer, right behind nick shabazz
Me, asking my wife-and what about titanium, darling?🤔
She: Uh yeah, a great David Guetta song back in the days!😂
Their is something when you hold it , it has a kinda warmth , and a positive power , Like holding pure silver , feeling draw to it ...
That Arius is just incredible. In a class all its own. Makes me want to buy another one.
some people find it boring but i think plain titanium designs are the absolute best i love the simplicity
Thanks for explaining things for newer people! We appreciate it!
To borrow from an old children's story: The wonderful thing about titanium is that titanium is a wonderful thing.
Love titanium. First titanium knife was a CRKT M-16 Big Dog with titanium scales from early 2000's. Gorgeous. Keeper! Thanks!
Titanium is vastly superior to Steel just not in a folder knife application. Titanium is non magnetic, its inert and bio compatible, (will not rust ever) it has a melting temperture of above 3000 degrees F vs 2000-2500 of Steel. It can be frozen to -300 C and not be effected, steel will shatter at that temp. It has a modulas of elasticity way lower than steel, meaning it can flex at least 5-6 times further than steel before taking a set. Its 40% lighter than steel but retains about 85% of steels strength. Pound for pound titanium is twice stronger than steel, cause it would be two times thicker. Now if you have a one inch slab of steel and 1 inch slab of titanium, steel will be about 15% stronger but titanium will retain 85% of steels strength and be almost 2 times lighter. Now toughness is where titanium shines, because its much tougher than steel. This is why a 1 inch thick slab of titanium can stop 50 cal tungsten armor piercing rounds where same round can go through 4 plates of steel same thickness. There are many alloys of titanium, like you said most popular is 6al4v 6%aluminum 4% vanadium. A aircraft grade titanium, same stuff SR 71 was made from. But there are many more interesting ones. Like Nitinol 49% Nickle 51% Titanium. And its a memory shape metal. So if your car was made out of it and you got into a wreck, all you had to do was heat up the metal, and it snaps back into its original shape. So titanium is a superfluous, you just can't get all its potential in a knife handle. But cool video nevertheless.
Good info. I don't need titanium. I don't care about weight. And I can't have slick scales...I gotta lotta fish slime in my future.
I of course love my full titanium scales on my knives however, lately, I've been buying half titanium and half cf. I don't use the half and half construction hard use though.
I once handed my knife(0562ti) to somebody and he asked what it was made out of because it was lighter than it looked. I told him it was titanium and he immediately plunged it into our steel covered work bench. Sometimes people get the wrong idea when you say titanium.
Titanium does not equal adamantium
That 0562Ti is really impressive weight wise. Apparently ZT managed to mill the scales out so much that its lighter than the CF version that it replaces.
Also, yeah, its kinda weird the almost mythical qualities people assume Ti has compared to steel.
'oh this is nice and you like it? why don't I ram it into something before you can stop me because I'm a fucking idiot who can't be trusted with anything more complex or nuanced than a hammer'
my housemate doesn't touch my knives anymore for the same reason, thankfully it was just my Envoy into a wooden bench but still irritates the piss out of me and left the tip with a little roll or flat, no clue what these morons think.
sees me open and close it without moving my wrist so he wings the fuckin thing with his entire arm
Umm did that asshole pay for a new knife?
Never had a titanium knife. Is the grip slippery on a titanium knife. Sorry if a stupid question, pretty new in the knife game. Thx in advance. Trying to decide on the titanium or micarta sheepdog full (non flipper). Thx in advance.
Wasn't sure what to expect but you're definitely one of the better knife channels on the site.
I have to have that Reate Jack 2. It's insane. Where did you originally get it from and how much did it cost?
I would enjoy seeing some extra effort in a Titanium line by Spyderco, Benchmade, Tops,Sog,Hogue and the rest of all the great knife companies!
Spyderco has quite a few. I have a Techno and Slyz Bowie and they are my 2 favorite.
Thanks to my spydiechef as a research point of 1, I like titanium as a handle not only for the color and weight savings, but also for the corrosion resistance and actually for the "snail trails" and other skuffs of use creating a beautifully customized appearance
how it holds an edge would be good information to share
There was a fixed blade made, I believe back in the 1980's that had a titanium blade. It was made for digging up land mines since titanium is non magnetic.
For me titanium is fine as a handle material but like you said it can be slippery and not cold weather friendly. I just wish that manufacturers would make more linerlocks in titanium. My Libing Raptor knife (which is one of the best looking manufactured knives there is ) looks great on both sides, 'cause it doesn't have that stupid looking framelock messing up the design and causing opening issues.
You're right, titanium is slick in most cases. The other downside is cold weather for any all metal construction. I prefer a combination.
Yo i love my jack 1.0 man that's all titanium with some brass shit i got titanium in my leg! Wonder if they anodized it any color for me hmm?
Thank you for this video. Personally as a collector who does not have a long time collecting I wanted to understand this topic of "What's so great about Titanium?.'
it's got the nickname 'god metal' because it has so many nice qualities compared to other metals. Lots of metals are not anywhere near as strong as steel, especially the ones light enough to see a weight savings in a given tool, it can oxidize but it doesn't corrode away like iron based metals, it has a hard to describe soft and warm feeling compared to steel, it is basically a perfect material for what we use it for and we're lucky it exists
I think titanium had a boom because of ultralight backpacking, where it excels
Thank you. Love educational videos.
DB blades also made some real novelty knives out of 25mm thick titanium, really cool to watch
As a newbie, I appreciate this video! I'm trying to decide on my first knife, currently leaning towards an Elementum. A ti knife would be nice, but they're kind of pricey to be my first edc knife. Any recommendations are appreciated!
I carry an Ontario rat one for edc. It feels good in the pocket and in the hand. It has a nice smooth action right out of the box and gets better quick. Easy to open or close one handed. Good length and lightweight. It's cheap too. About $25 for the aus 8 version and about $50 in D2. The D2 will stay sharp about twice as long.
Eveything else I tend to carry is cold steel which are awesome but more expensive.
This ^ 👍
If you'd like to track down a good representation of a Ti framelock on a budget, one of the best options is to shop around for one of the older designs from Kizer.
Knifecenter has the 3" S35VN Cuchiarra Flashbang for ~$85 shipped, it has a really nice grind and has Kizer's signature river rock feeling countouring.
The mini Shoal, the Rogue, the Envoy, and some others I'm blanking on are also extremely nice little EDC-minded models that I have seen for under $100 at times.
Also Massdrop had the Ferrum Forge Falcon for $100 for months, I think they are between batches right now but that is one of my favorite knives and it's built by WE Knife, another standout $:blade buy
First interest in Titanium was with the Titanium Macbook being carved out of a single block of Titanium. I assume C N C machines like Titanium better than steel or any other materials. How hard would it be to work with Titanium without lasers and C N C machines?
Using cnc its pretty doable. But by hand can be a pain in the ass. Its really elastic which makes tapping pretty hard and the heat doesnt go in chips when machining so it hardens if you allow it to go too hot.
I work in a machine shop and titanium tacks almost 10x longer to machine you have to go a lot slower and tack a lot less material in each pass that really adds to the cost steel is very easy to machine and faster
While Titanium is cool, obviously, I do think Aluminium deserves more love as a scale material. It still gives the heft of a full metal handle compared to FRN or G10, but is light enough that a full Al scale weights similar to a milled Ti scale. Also, to your point of Ti anodising well in most (but not all) colours, Al anodises at least as well, if not better, than Ti (see the brilliant blue and red Al backsparers found on the Steel Will Modus, also all the colours Al watch bezel inserts are available in).
I think you're 100% correct that people love Titanium because they think its exotic and cool. Everyone knows that Ti is both lighter and stronger than steel, whereas Al is only known to be lighter than steel (some people even seem to think that Ti is lighter than Al, which isn't even close to true).
Also, you briefly touched on some brands using higher grades of Ti than "standard". High grade (6/7) Ti is harder than low grade (2/5), which doesn't make it any stronger than regular Ti, but does drastically improve its scratch resistance, lessening the chances of "snail-trails" amd scratches forming on your Ti handle scale.
I do think tho that aluminium is a lot weaker
@@jeroenbeskers3012 It might be weaker than steel and Titanium, but it's still stronger than G10, Micarta, Carbon Fibre or FRN. As MC said in this video, Ti is way stronger than is really needed for a folding knife scale.
That said, if strength is truly a concern, Al scales on Ti or steel liners (like the Benchmade 940 or M4 Bailout, with their partial steel liners), or a Ti framelock with Al show scale would be a decent compromise.
@@gpearce11 but nobody has been tempted to make a full G10 framelock
Ti doesn't need to be strong for the handle itself, but its strength makes it better in the lockbar
@@Omniseed Strider framelocks have a G10 slab on the show side, with no liner, and they're considered hard use knives.
There are Cold Steel knives that have full G10 handles, with the only metal in the handle being the Tri-Ad lock itself, and CS are considered the toughest folding knives on the market.
@@gpearce11 yeah but no one has been dumb enough to try making a lockbar out of it yet
I've got a Broken Skull with that construction and it's great, G10 is another wonderful material but it cannot replace titanium and generally requires a different construction style than what can be achieved with straight Ti
All the metals you mention are alloys. Based on this, a company such as Microtech chose aluminium alloys for their constructions. Magnesium alloy is the next hype.
Man, that Koenig Arius is so 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Koenig e just impressive! Didnt get the marfione model. Somebody could help me out! That reate is looking good too!
Marfione MSG-3 👍
I thought the Delica was aluminum
it's FRN with steel liners, they do make a titanium handled version of it in their Byrd line though, I believe that one would be the Meadowlark. Their G10 Robin is really nice too, a little Dragonfly G10 but for a third the price
Titanium throws insanely hot white works. Trust me I’ve welded and grounded lots of titanium. But it’s not overly dangerous if you know what you are doing.
I agree that Ti 6-4 is fairly unnecessary (albeit 'cool'). Now, the question is... with how inexpensively you can get titanium framelocks these days, do you think the novelty will wear off? What's the next material fad?
hell no, it's still the perfect material for the purpose
there will be other design and construction trends and different materials introduced though, there's always room for ingenuity
Great vid buddy. 😊👍
titanium frame lock flippers are easy to costomize also
Subbed yesterday!
Also it scratches very easily but I like the character it adds to a knife
What’s the third knife in the middle
Third from the left is the Sharp By Design Evo Typhoon.
We have all fallen for TI! I just purchased a spyderco squeak... while researching it I learned that there was a sprint run in Titanium and better blade steel! I paid an extra 100$ for it... hahaha! Looking back ... wtf!? Hahaha
the Squeak is beautiful
Omniseed i really do enjoy it
Got the pink squeak last week
@@OneMinuteKnifeReview I love mine... I haven't handled the FRN versions but the TI is awesome. I am sure that the FRN is nice and super light
@@RobertOrtiz1015 I bet I would prefer the Ti lol
i have a Benchmade Bailout made of m390 and the handle is solid titanium best investment
People forget ...... Back in the day if you were a true knife snob you got a sebenza. Titanium had a great run in the 80-90's as the premium handle material. Now with the Chinese cranking it out on every other knife it's lost its luster. Most non knife people couldn't tell aluminum from titanium on a knife handle anyway
lol that's simply untrue, titanium is a fantastic metal and feels nothing like aluminum
It is not a nice material because it's rare and other people have to spend $400 to have a piece of their own, after all
Doesn't the value of the knives have something tp do with the medals, materials, locks and most important of all the person creating the knife such as Nick Shabazz?
There are infinite things that can determine the value of any item. Materials used are unusually the least important part of the equation.
@@metal_complex true that
I always thought titanium was like adamantium ...
My CIVIVI Mandate is inherently a shaped lump of titanium. No other way to get that strength and lightness.
It’s funny that knife maker’s act like it’s way harder to machine and takes really expensive milling bits that wear out faster then milling steel . A titanium watch is way more expensive then a stainless steel watch . Yes it’s lighter but they make it out to be extremely hard to machine. Titanium is a precious metal these days and copper in the knife world . Personally best way to explain it is strength to weight ratio that is the main attraction. Russian titanium is very hard to anodize .
I've never seen anyone confused over how difficult titanium is to machine over steel or aluminum... but it does cost more to purchase BEFORE it's machined, and is fairly expensive to machine in general vs, say, CF, G10, micarta, etc. That's usually what people mean.
Is there anything else? Nope! I want Titanium on everything!!
I love frn, I kill
M my knives everyday , I got some great ti knives but a spyderco
Goes all month,vg-and s-30 and plastic all day
Titanium is 40% lighter than stainless and mild steel. And it is, from my understanding not able to rust.
Man thank you
My titanium dive knife cuts better is rust proof lighter and stronger than any of my stainless steel knives.
Where'd you buy it? I've been searching. Can't find a blade made of Titanium.
I feel that the titanium hype cam from halo (main character has a titanium suit)
SCREWS TITANIUM.. MAKE ME SOME S35VN, 154CM, M4 ETC KNIVE SCALES!!
Is Titanium a rare medal? I know the fact that Titanium is one of the hardest medals and lightest. Is this correct or incorrect?
Titanium is easy to machine, but its expensive because its hard to get it as a material.
Titanium is actually very common. Problem is its melting at 1600 c° but its oxidating ("burning") at much lower temperatures. That means you have to make TiCl4 at high temperature and then chemicaly reduce it to titanium at lower temperature. This have to be done in some inert gas like argon for example. And thats why its expensive.
What's so great about titanium?
It's bulletproof nothing to lose,
fire away, fire away...
I own some Two Sun Titaniums, was this an investment that was intelligent as with regards to gaining value?
How happy do they make you? There's your measure of value 👍
Chinese manufactured pocket knife? I’d say pretty high.... you can’t hardly find a Chinese made pocket knife in a truck stop or at a flea market. Nothing like pride of ownership
as a monetary investment I don't think TwoSun is going to appreciate any, knives in general tend to remain below their original sale price in terms of value unless it's a hard to get AND sought after custom or from a small production company like.
However they make cool designs and I've used a couple of them as work knives and liked them for it. The grinds are great for the price point and they just generally provide a lot of knife niceness for a cost that doesn't stress me out if I manage to damage it
Titanium gets too damn grubby. Take G10 or CF over titanium any day.
Speak for yourself, titanium just looks, feels and handles more smooth to me than any other kind of scale, that’s just me though
Only reason for titanium, people think it is cool. And we want cool from expensive knives.
From practical perspective titanium has only flaws in knives. More expensive, less durability, scratches, snail trails, needs steel insert and steel washers under bearings to work properly.
Less durable than what? Most of what you're saying is foggy and marginal. More expensive is accurate. Thats about it.
@@metal_complex it does scratch easily though
@@metal_complex Less durable than steel. There is no other metal for a knife handle to compare. Aluminium is soft and feels like a cheap spoon from a hospital. Copper has it's own issues, but the main one, it is more like a novelty, still too uncommon to be considered a real alternative for steel. I like my gear to look new for as long as possible and steel handle knives can take a few drops and clipless carry better than titanium.
I know titanium has some perks, but not what I want or need from a knife handle, especially for a higher price. Lower weight? I don't mind a few more grams and if a knife needs titanium to not be overly heavy, it is probably too bulky anyway. Anodization? Unless someone can make it non scratchable, it looks to me even worse than scratched plain titanium. People think it is exotic? Outside the internet I don't even know anyone interested in knives and I don't need to show off with expensive gear. If they won't think a knife makes you a bandit, they don't care and can't tell the difference between ZT and Z Hunter.
I don't dislike titanium, but if it is metal handle I just like steel more because for me it has less downsides. Even for much higher price I would still instantly pick titanium over aluminium, plastic or that carbon fiber sticker glued to a G10. Really designers, make it full G10 or full CF, not this cheap, slippery, ugly fake.
Ya so literally all of this was covered in the video. I asked you to see if you were going to tell me something i didn't know... but now I'm thinking you just didnt watch my video at all lol.
@@Sicarius888 dude copper is nothing like titanium or steel, it's a pretty metal that the red metal gang loves but it is wholly unsuitable for a framelock and it's too dense, not strong enough to make a satisfactory handle material out of. As a scale material it's as good as anything else except that it oxidizes and corrodes faster than most people will tolerate on a working knife, and again it is very heavy.
People don't like copper or bronze because they are great metals for the purpose, they like them because they are historic and pretty and cool in their own way.
But they are metals that are best suited for pens and scale inlays and things that won't be subjected to leverage or a soaking
Titanium is light and strong, but it's a scratch magnet, not my jam.
Fortunately we have "tumbled" as an option 👍
That's were the more expensive high grade (grade 6 & 7) Ti comes in. Its basically the same weight and strength, but it's almost as hard as steel, and therefore has similar scratch resistance.
You definitely have to pay for the privilege though, and if extra scratch resistance is all you gain, its generally not worth it. MC's tumbled finish advice is a good compromise.
you could polish it up, personally I like way it gains snail trails while shrugging off actual damage
@@Omniseed Norhing wrong with a bit of patina.
copper and brass give me the copper and brass
Does titanium not scratch very easily?
Na it scratches pretty readily
@@metal_complex That sounds like titanium knives are not so great as EDC if you carry them with anything which is rather hard to avoid...
@@erykczajkowski8226 a scratch isn't going to do anything. People carry titanium folders for their resistance to corrosion and for their strength to weight ratio. Scratch resistance doesn't really have much meaning.
@@metal_complex Well, from this perspective certainly they are great. I was referring more to the general approach presented on your channel which seems to view knives more from collectors' perspective in which visual aspect plays important role. So my understanding is that if you want your titanium knife to look good then you can't really carry it, ergo it's no longer an EDC. ;) I had a watch once with titanium bracelet and after some time it started looking really miserably. Your titanium Hinderers look pretty pristine though. Do you actually carry them?
@@erykczajkowski8226 they all have a tumbled finished. The ones I use look no different from the ones I don't because the finish is literally uniform scratches across both the blade and titanium.
My channel is not collector focused. Elements of that for sure, but it's not the main idea.
Unless the frame is made from ceramic, you can expect it to scratch/mark up pretty readily. Stainless steel and aluminum are no different. Basically, if you plan to use your knife, expect scratches. If not, no worries.
Is titanium an expensive material? I can't help but wonder why titanium edc wallets or pens are two to sometimes four times more expensive than their other metal counterparts.
It's expensive to purchase, yes. The real cost comes down to machining though. It's not cheap to machine.
This. Titanium is second only to tungsten in terms of the hardest naturally occuring metals. It requires special cutting and milling materials because otherwise it will break the tools that can cut steel, iron and aluminum.
Funny engineering story, the SR-71 Blackbird is 90% titanium, and when they first tried to build and shape it, it kept breaking their equipment. They eventually found ways around it, but they ruined a lot of industrial-grade blades and bits.
Point being, that's why it's more expensive.
Wait...wtf? N0o card throw??
The jack @! Mmmmm
Is this guy ever going to get to the point or is he going to keep repeating himself on irrelevant points?