DAMNING Truth About Labour Revealed By Martin Forde KC
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- After the leaked Labour report revealed damning truths about the behaviour of the party's Right, Keir Starmer commissioned leading barrister Martin Forde to conduct a report. Some - myself included - feared a whitewash: but the conclusions were damning, including on factionalism and perceptions of a hierarchy of racism. But Labour have almost entirely failed to engage with Forde over his report - and now he's broken his silence.
We speak to Richard Sanders - one of the makers of Al Jazeera's 'Labour Files' - and award winning investigative journalist Peter Oborne.
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I seem to recall a BBC programme with Victoria Derbyshire where YOU were firmly on the side of the BBC's Panorama 'evidence'. Have to wonder why.
I am so, so bored of Starmer cultists wailing about anyone who doesn't act like a press officer for the Labour party. I'm an independent political commentator. My job is to tell the truth as I see it. If you don't like it, tough, because I'm going to keep telling the truth however much it annoys you, so suck it up.
Are Starmer cultists really a thing? I like the guy because he looks like he knows how to win an election which is something Labour hasn't done in ages but I'd certainly never chant his name and if he appeared on stage at a music festival I went to I'd want him to go away and the next band to start. I'd also never pay money to travel to waste an afternoon watching him talk
He's just the most likely person to end the Tory rule. I'd say it's fair to say the last guy had a cult following because there really was a bit of worship going on there and I don't think it was all people just following a meme because some people still aren't over it. But no evidence to say Starmer has anything like that. Some people just really dislike Rishi, Boris, Liz and Suella and see Starmer as an end to that
@@jamesarnold7253 Yes Starmer fanboys are often seen in comments sections basically saying any criticism of Starmer is a vote for the Tories - its utter nonsense of course
@@jamesarnold7253"But no evidence to say Starmer has anything like that", you say. But, of course there's "no evidence" either to validate the "that" of which you speak. A complete straw-man argument scraped out from the absolute bottom of the Starmer fan-boy barrel.
@@douglasmacari8707 If you can find any videos of people randomly starting a Kier Starmer chant then go ahead I'd like to see. I really don't think it's ever happened.
People just like him because he has the best chance of getting the Tories out. It's honestly more anti Tory than pro Starmer
@@jamesarnold7253 maybe so… but the lesser of 2 evils is still evil.
1-How can the BBC get away with this
2- how do we only hear about this from Aljazeera ?
British press in a dire state
Because the BBC is run by Tories.
There’s a lot that I only ever hear about on alJazeera.
Imagine a competent black barrister being commissioned to investigate and write a report on racism and antisemitism within the Labour Party BY the leader of the Labour party only to be completely ignored and somewhat scrutinised once you've published it - what a time to be alive, ey!
You are right
Yes. Sadly, Owen Jones has been part of that same deceit.
Oborne is someone on the right, you could have a drink with, debate, disagree, have a laugh in it. Always appreciate his voice and am glad Owen that you invite him on.
Well he did his best to undermine Corbyn
Richard Sanders says, about the writers of the Leaked Report, "It will destroy their lives". But that is what Labour, especially under Starmer's heirarchy, seems to be intent on doing, to so many Members as well, Rica Bird being one. I view with horror the fact that during 2015-2019, we Members and CLPs, worked so hard and willingly, to get Labour into power, on the back of our magnificent and honest Manifesto, but all the time, as we now see, such people as the current leadership were working so underhandedly, against that hope and need - wrecking lives and democracy for the whole electorate of this country. Just shocking.
The mask slipped
@Peter Oborne "the media are not interested the truth any more" NEVER a truer word said than that.
Pretty sad that James O'Brien is still continuing on his pro Starmer anti Corbyn dialogue despite so much evidence that he's wrong
Might be that like many in the uk he wants the tories out!!!!
Personally anyone that wants to discredit Starmer must by default helping the tories to another victory.
Corbyn like Foot kept the Labour Party in opposition for years.
Ask your self why is an Al Jazeera - a foreign owned media outlet - allowing one of its contractors to attack the Labour Party and Starmer? Have you forgot that what is published is only what the owner wants that helps the owner or their favoured elites.
Ring him up and call him out then.....? No? Chicken?
@@nigeltrigger4499 go away, boring boy
Yes. I'm chicken. I couldn't say what I wanted against JOB. He's a gifted rhetoratician. I also find him rather belligerent and I've heard him unjustifiably shut down reasonable and insightful Corbyn supportes. I prefer Medhi Hasan.
When is he right?
Doubtless had the report supported Panorama etc. then it would have received widespread coverage.
Support the BBC. That is Bring Back Corbyn
Yeah let's bring back the guy who had the worst election result for a generation. Let's bring back the guy who had votes of no confidence against him. Let's bring back guy the guy who's led Labour to be the only party to be investigated for racism aside from the bnp.
You must love the torries mate.
You mean the man that lost to the worst Tory leader of all time. Sensible...very sensible!
@@jamescooke6032
So you didn't watch the video🙄
@@Papillion-Man I did. What did I say was inaccurate? Which of the following didn't happen under corbyn?
Biggest tory majority since 87
Vote of no confidence from Labour mps lost 172-40
Labour Party in special measures by EHRC
If you think that is the resume of a success.. You're wrong.
@@jamescooke6032 Can't you see what actually happened? Because of Jeremy's view on Palestine there was a massive stitch up by the Israeli lobby.. The party is controlled from "Jerusalem" The whole antisemitism BS started to get J.C. booted from his position and party.40 years not one complaint against him. Why have Israel so much control of the party?? Can't you see it?
Labour is not winning in the polls; the Tories are losing. It’s not the same thing because the relationship is dynamic. Starmer is there merely as non-Corbyn, to tide the things over to the next election and ensure that anything remotely Socialist is marginalised or ignored.
Yes, Labour has a hierarchy of racism with Black people at the bottom. The Labour Files were shocking and has definitely made me re-think my 40-year support for Labour.
Martin Forde is a real Hero.
Thank you for this conversation. Watched The Labour files, trust it more then BBC, wish I could get more people to watch it.
Feel for Martin Forde KC, to try and have his reputation tarnished as well as the elderly ladies on Panorama.
Owen might have to agree with Alexi Sayle after all then?
Then again Starmer throws out people who don't agree with his ridiculous authoritarian rule!
Owen has never been much of a Starmer fan
Starmer takes his Master's lead..
@@skyblazeeterno He's just been very quick to throw Corbyn uber the bus...just like his Guardian mates
I'm fed up of the mainstream media, they report what they want you to know, not what you should know.
That capitalism!
Mr Jones, Thank you for finally addressing this. I find it admirable when journalists are willing to report all news, Not just news that benefits their own narratives. I have updated my previous criticism. Thank you again.
My man Sanders dropped an "Uncle Tom" and I'm like.... "He's not wrong"
Ed Miliband was often involved in complaint cases but Corbyn only did that only exceptionally to speed up decisions when complaints were coming in.
John ware actually interviewed Ella Rose for the panorama show.his lack of due diligence was astounding
Absolutely excellent discussion, thank you Owen.
A text book definition of how to conduct a reasoned philosophical debate. Well done!
This was top notch
I think if Kier starmer won't do what's needed to change up this party then he needs to be removed to give labour a fighting chance
feels kinda wild to hear this explained like its breaking news when the report has been out for so long.
(i understand why its resonable and probably required to be reported this way, but still wild nonetheless)
Labour masochism approaching elections never fails to deliver something.
vote Green, even if it's only for these local elections, also the unions need to consider just who represents their members. I thought the Stalinist comment was a fair reflection.
Keith and his Centrist goons don't like their dirty tricks exposed.
Who is Keith?
Even though he commisioned the report?
He didn’t recognise its findings or acknowledge its existence. Unlike the EHRC report, which he amplified and absorbed every word.
@@aidanjohnkelly He didn't REALLY absorb every word, since he has been actively, publicly, and unapologetically doing some of the same things that the report condemned Labour for. Notably by interfering politically in disciplinary cases.
@@falsum2701 exactly. Additionally, the report said the findings should not be used to stifle free speech, and that Corbyn was legally protected to say what he did in response to it. Not only that, but of the 270 cases in the system, the 'most comprehensive investigation into racism in any political party in history', they selected 70 at random, and found only 2 cases which breached the Equalities Act. It made no criticism of JC, and in conclusion there was no mention of 'institutional AS'. The EHRC findings weren't as damning as the press made it out to be, and The Forde report exonerated JC to a large degree (hence the silence).
Brilliant stuff OJ 👏
Phenomenal discussion. Thank you Owen
I'd sooner trust Diane Abbott than Keir Starmer. She, at least, knows what Labour stands for.
At last Owen you are covering this thoroughly. I don't just mean the Forde Report, which you did a show about, but also the more general issues touched on by The Labour Files. Thank you.
Excellent stuff, appreciated.
Thankyou for this!
No matter who you vote for the Government always wins
Your comment is baseless.
I really don't like starmer, he's the lesser of two evils. I think the election will be for the Tories to lose, not necessarily for labour to win. Just to be clear Tories out.
I actually think starmer is just as bad as the tories and people are starting to wake up to his lies and empty promises.
@@jake751 I have to agree with you....sigh
What do you think Starmer will actually do to improve anything?
Not likely for the Tories to lose more like more content like this stops Labour getting in.
Tribalism like this is the reason both parties get away with representing their donors not their constituents. Ffs open your thought process up past the one fed to you
hate to say it but this means the labour party is now genuinely unelectable. unseat stammer now.
Glad prople are starting to see the ight about labour and skarmer
@@tenniskinsella7768 Is the missing letter 'l' or 'r'? Either works.
They are more than electable.
@@briangingull9641 Indeed, since they're almost identical to the last lot that got elected.
@@briangingull9641 only if your not expecting any change......
this is a case that needs looking into more than ever before. but I also think Sir Keir Starmer also needs to be investigated carefully. this is a very bad outlook for the Labour Party
Owen, please hold your hand up to joining in with the AS smearing and marginalisation of those who were unjustifiably tarnished.
At a time when it appears absolutely necessary to rid ourselves of the current government, it saddens me that I won't be able to bring myself to vote Labour at the next election
The idea that it's OK to manipulate a quote because the wider content of the exchange supports the manipulated meaning doesn't really pass the smell test. If the context supports the conclusion they came to, the obvious thing to do would have been to lay out that context.
Amazing video thank you
"The world's alternative view of the history of the last four years" says a lot more when you scrutinise it.
Thanks for posting
Interestingly we don't have B Westerman daring to speak in public in any attempt to back up his (ridiculous) insidious allegation
The two ladies should sue.
Are there only malicious politicians lacking of any integrity in England?
On both sides of the isle.
Is there any hope for the better?
We have plenty of malicious politicians in Scotland.
Thanks
Who was Head of BBC at the time?, and who appointed him.
This is getting ridiculous.
Thanks just when I am really feel depressed you are telling me that Labour has no chance. Really made me depressed.
Boosting for democracy
Interesting chat Owen. But for how long we are going to keep debating about the useless neoliberal Labor party? When people like you, Corbin and so many others have the courage to create a new alternative organization or party ? I think Momentum was a great idea and a lost opportunity to do that. Congratulations for your podcast.
Excellent vid, even if it has boiled my piss and cemented my disdain for Starmuk and his Tory lite cronies.
Well said
Why is this not being talked about and why is this QC not being listened too
Very informative
Thanks!
Owen , whats happened to your old mate Russell Brand ? Are the right blackmailing him ?
And what about Starmer and his tax deal?
Keep going All
FACT the two party system ides this type of government behaviour. Still a school boy's playground and NOT a government and certainly NOT democratic. Best advice - make it law that only competent women may become MP's
Who the hell do we vote for 😤
What I don`t understand is why it`s considered racist to ask people about their family origins. The problem seems to be that what is central to any discussion about Israel & Palestine is political extremism, whether it affects Israelis or Palesitinians. This is precisely what no-one wants to talk about. It seems reasonable to ske people what their posdition is, in relation to the extremeists. There is a similar disjunction on statements about Russia in either the pre-or post-Soviet period but there appears to be no interest at all in objective discussion of facts or opinions of the issues involved.
Agreed
It's not about extremism, it's about settler/colonialism and apartheid.
I posted this before watching the whole video.
Labour is Tories now. Oligarch 'B' Team
"Oligarchs' B-team"...so true.
You mean Tory lite.
At last someone tells the truth about labour
This is important and this forde report by Martin forde QC should have Merritt
End Apartheid now
Long live the Republic of Scotland, the EU's newest nation-state. We could not have done it without tweedle dum - The hard Brexit English/British nationalist party called LABOUR
So Putin is okay then and should be let off?
The Original Arts Hole Vs Plymouth city council and the broader support and education services -the culmination of a ten year legal Battle against one of the funniest little local authorities in the land
Exhibition and workshop series of 2023
A fine example of why it's probably better to just have a functioning complaints and accountability procedure x
😧 What the cluck?
NEC arnt fit for purpose and should be dismantled even the leader of this party should be replaced as this is all the ing very toxic indeed
WHY IS QC MARTAIN FORDES REPORT BEING IGNORED AND WHY IS THE EHRC NOT TAKEING THIS ON BOARD AND THE PARLIMENTRY COMMITEE NOT QUESTIONING ALL THOSE INVOLVED
Forde D-notice
Starmer called BLM a 'moment'.
"In the days that have followed Jeremy Corbyn’s offensive Facebook post coming to public attention, there has been outrage from what appear to be two distinct camps. Some Labour members are deeply troubled by the situation, while others argue ignorantly that the Labour leader has done nothing wrong." Michael Segalov on the mural.
Red Herring. Nice try.
The one that he commented on, not shared, but apologised nonetheless? That one?
Why would asking someone if they're from Israel be anti-semitic?
Asking somebody if they're Irish is also antisemitic. Asking anybody with a country whose name begins with an I is antisemitic. It is totally understandable that asking any questions about totally unrelated subjects is antisemitic. This is similar to carpet bombing highly populated targets in that it means you are always going to get someone with every bomb, just like you are going to get an antisemite sometime when you make that accusation.
She asked which branch, are you from? She even recorded it.
in our nation the choice is labour or conservative and after these years of tory govt. any change is needed
Alistair but not labpur
All depends if you think racism and bullying are
1 not important
2 will remain hidden until after the next General Election
starmer doesn't represent change.
@@julianshepherd2038 You are copy and pasting this in reply to several comments and it's deliberately dishonest and manipulative, stop posting it Julian. It's pathetic.
Nation? surely you forget that Scotland has jettisoned both Tories AND Labour
Jewsy Smollet comes to mind. See what I did there? 😂
Something surprising ive fould out is that the singer Jessie Ware is John Wares daughter
Starmer is clearly Blair's proxy (didn't they both attended Davos this year) and Corbyn was a direct threat to Blair's influence that tragically remains strong to this day. I think the only way Labour will regain power is to u-turn Blair's action to absolve the socialist party status, based on his credule vision that actually has narrowed the political spectrum and dismissed traditional Labour working class voice.
Who's the guy that was making those claims in the Panorama program?
Which claims?
If it's damning on Starmer ...just imagine what it was under Corbyn
It might be inconvenient but it is the truth
Fantastic work
Headless chicken.
Why was a barrister commissioned to do a report? Is this not him hiring his mates? Surely there are better qualified people to carry out these kind of reports?
What took you so long to report on this? Felt kinda sinister why you ignored for so long! There's not many left leaning commentators with a sizable Audience, hope you've come to your senses now
I did a whole show on the Forde Report literally the day it came out?
@@OwenJonesTalks But not The Labour Files
And you ignored the leaked report!
Is that a Howard Hodgkin in the corner?
Hmmmmm........
Relax Owen mate. Labours lead although large is still a mid-term lead and if inflation falls we may still get the Conservative Govt you want next election.
Oh for Tony Benn or Neil Kinnock!
No, Owen. Asking if someone from a political faction of the Labour party is from Israel is not an antisemitic trope. That's just nonsense. You might want to watch Al Jazeera's other film: The Lobby. You are being disingenuous if you deny that Israel meddles in US and UK politics.
@Dean Clark Yes, I am well aware of that. However, Owen said that if they had asked if he was Israel it would be an antisemitic trope. Watch the video again.
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Not so damning if BBC and other mainstream media are not covering it
Starmer is obviously the establishment shoe in for the next election
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Sorry Owen, I usually like your video, but this time I really could't get into it. The questions were not clear, allusions were made to things which were not explained. I found Obirne easier to understand but listening to your other guest, after the third subclause, negations of negations and hesitations, i had to pause the interview and think hard about what he was getting at.
First of all kudos to Starmer for choosing Martin Forde to do the report, he must have know Forde is not a yes man. Sad if Starmer has not fully engaged with Forde on this, but form the media that I've read is that Starmer is dealing with issue raised. As for Corbyn, nice person, great manifesto , hes not antisemitic but hes not a leader.either, i doubt if he has the strength of character to be leader. You need to understand also that Labour members that I know, and i am as well, absolutely disgusted by the way the Israeli government treat Palestinians, that in itself causes friction within the party. Before i get called an anti-Semite I firmly believe in the two state solution and that the international community should pressure both Israel and Palestinians to implement the agreement.
He'd of stood a better chance of his party had got around him to support his transforative message. As it was they rejected him and in so doing held the membership and those in our country who would have benefitted from a Labour govnt in contempt.
It's all too late. That's the idea. Great your own truth and move on quick once you've effected the narrative.. Simples 🙃
Well there’s nothing like giving the worst government in living memory some ammunition.
Funnily enough the worst government in living memory was a Labour government. Just ask the average Iraqi.
@@falsum2701 nothing funny about that
They're racist and so is the press. The people they're catering to are racist and unlikely to care about racism in the labour party.
@@bwright227 I don't think he was trying to be funny...
You think the Daily Mail don't have this on file?
You think they won't use it when it is most effective, probably the next General Election?
Are you cool with racism I the Labour Party?
No wonder I vote Scottish Green now.
WTF