I own a tj and live in an area with lots of snow in the winter. The jeep is actually not good in the snow due to the short wheelbase. I drive a 4wd pickup all winter instead.
It won’t change anything. Bad people do bad things because they’re bad people. Just like that friend or relative you have that drinks and drives or someone who steals. They supposedly are not shielded and can face punishment, yet they keep doing bad things. Until the government quits pushing for lower standards to fit some goofy nonsense now called inclusion and equity, bad actors will continue to do bad things. You can make all the laws you want or remove protections and it will not make a dent in the real problems.
Police _must_ be held to a higher standard than ordinary citizens. More power requires more responsibility not less. The problem is that in a lot of cases they're dealing with criminals who know the law better than the police do because they've had a lot more experience and they know how to file lawsuits for the slightest infraction and play the victim very well. I'd love to hear a solution to the problem.
@@MyName-tb9oz "The problem is that in a lot of cases they're dealing with criminals who know the law better than the police do because they've had a lot more experience and they know how to file lawsuits for the slightest infraction and play the victim very well." Ah yes, the well known problem of criminals being too well versed in law for police to be able to efficiently police them. Definitely not a problem with the police being a gang of violent, unaccountable thugs. Darn street lawyer criminals ruining it for everyone...
This was never about the legality of refusing to take possession of a piece of paper. This is and always has been about; "I'm a Police Officer and I'm superior to you whenever I feel like being so!"
Did you see the Eric West Maui video where he stopped his car to ask an officer a question about a new law (emergency proclamation), and the officer wouldn't respond, wouldn't give name/badge, then called in FOUR MORE police cars....and THEY didn't answer or provide names/badges. Eventually one wrote down his name/badge, but only because that one wrote him a ticket for violating the unnamed proclamation and for not having a tag on the front of his car.
I'm just guessing, but I think the only thing Internal Affairs cares about is if there is money is involved. The only times I have ever heard of them going after a cop is if they accept or steal money and don't share it with the rest of the blue gang.
Sadistic incompetence is promoted. They're required to be incapable of comprehending their oath or the constitution before during or since affirmation of their oath
As long as judges and prosecutors keep protecting cops with impunity (not charging them with obvious perjury, 1A +4A violations all day every day), it will continue
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusketeventually they will learn QI doesnt stop them being dragged out into the street from their homes in the m iddle of the night
This is disgusting but no longer surprising. I can't imagine a scenario where anyone but a cop would get away with that. If I did something half that stupid I'd lose my job and likely be thrown in jail. They get a pass. The longer this kind of thing continues the more hostility between ordinary citizens and police will increase
and we actually fund this with our tax $$$! everything a cop has bought/paid for from their paychecks is via the taxpayers they harass. makes no sense! we have to have police, we don't have to have abusers
I have no idea what your job is or if you actually work for a living. But if someone made aggressive physical contact with your person and you rolled ‘em and flipped ‘em like a booger, would you get fired?
Just wait until you hear about the Fort Wayne cop that hit and killed a pedestrian, and all he got was a 35 dollar ticket. I doubt we'd be so lucky in that case either.
@@ithinkaboutthings9052 The body cam video is on TH-cam. All the guy did was brush the cop when he put his arms out the the side. That was only after the officer walked him back 50 feet attempting to force the ticket on him. That's not what I'd call aggressive physical contact
What are you saying here, are you actually trying to say as a hypothetical that the person receiving the ticket was being physically aggressive? If so, that is not the case because you can view the body cam video of what happened right here on TH-cam.
Not to mention lazy and incompetent. Over ten years ago I had a credit card company sue me for an old debt just before the statute of limitations expired. They served somebody with a name similiar to mine in Fort Collins ( where I have never even lived ). The guy they served in no way matched my physical description ( he was black and I'm white etc etc. ) Years later I found out that I had a default judgement from a Fort Collins judge against me for a case I was never even notified of. I journeyed to Fort Collins and demanded to see a copy of the proof of service. The Fort Collins deputy had falsified the paperwork because they were to lazy to actually check the information of the person who was not me that they served at an addrrss that was not mine. I went to court and challenged the judgement as well as plantiff's right to even sue me now since it was past the statute of limitations. The corrupt Fort Collins judge found against me on the basis that I still incurred the debt even if the company failed to serve me before the statute expiration. The law is basically optional for law enforcement, judges, and rich corporations in Fort Collins. They just do whatever they want there.
Yes Steve, some officers truly believe that if you put your hands up to stop them from beating your head into the sidewalk it's you resisting arrest and if you so much as brush up against them it's treated as if you shot them. They're giving the good cops a terrible name and need to be dealt with MORE harshly than a civilian, not less.
The "good" cops have a bad name because they don't immediately step in when it's their duty to do so and arrest the bad cop and instead, circle the wagons.
I've yet to see the "good cops" stand up and say anything about their abusive co-workers. If you stand by and watch these things happen while never doing anything, you are not longer a "good cop."
They designed the system so are the only ones who know how to successfully navigate it. And it's not a service anyone voluntarily wants so they can enjoy themselves like getting a massage, or being guided to a great fishing spot. Except slip and fall scam artists and the like I suppose.
@@valentinius62 They essentially are a group of modern magi that know the sacred rituals, which are court proceedings and they also know the secret language which is Admiralty and Ecclesiastical legalese.
In which case a tap on the shoulder would be an assault. Yeah, it’s unwanted physical contact, or however it’s worded in their statutes, but gimme a break, the cop was looking for a reason, maybe he’d had a bad day, maybe the guy was chipping his teeth at him, so what?
He’s just lucky he didn’t get shot he was dealing with Americans who are also cops. Probably the 2 most likely groups to be shot by all in one package.
As a retired LEO, all I can do is a facepalm. That's someone who was never trained in how to handle that sort of rejection. It's simple, you faithfully served the summons (ticket), it's on your bodycam, be done and walk away, making a note of it in your investigators statement. Also, one of my favorite guardmount classes was John Bad Elk vs. US. It's the best caution I can think of o prevent unlawful arrests. Lastly, as a non-lethal/ less-lethal instructor, that 2" spray will most likely cause serious eye injury due to hydraulic needle effect and that officer absolutely knew that from his training. Any force that is likely to cause loss of life (unlikely), limb (again, unlikely) or eyesight (BINGO!) is defined as lethal force. As this is clearly outside of his training, I would say there is a good chance of him losing his qualified immunity here. Since this was clearly sanctioned by the department, dude is gonna get paid... bigly.
In certain jurisdictions you must sign the ticket as a promise to appear in court. Doesn't mean you accept the ticket, it just means you promise to appear on court to take care of it. This is very common practice. If you do not sign, it's an immediate arrest.
@@cesiba1 Yes, as it is in my jurisdiction. A citation must be signed as a promise to appear in court. In Texas a minor traffic charge like running a stop sign, license plate light out, etc., is a crime and a citation is a personal recognizance/PR bond for the person to be released without being arrested. In fact in most cases an arrest is optional without allowing a person to sign.
Saw the video. The guy did the worst crime that can be committed - Contempt of Cop. He disrespected the cop's authority. This particular crime is not prosecuted by the courts. The officer administers street justice immediately. Punishment continues and escalates until the criminal submits to the officer's authority, and some times a little more is added to depending upon the degree of the offense just for emphasis . All near by officers, and those who arrive later, supervisor, chief of police, and the DA also participate. It's a team effort.
@robertmooberry725• the resisting and obstruction charges are meant to punish the individual victims for contempt of cop...its a personal gratification thing with cops.
This is Police 101 stuff, I took a job as a parking enforcement officer (basically a glorified meter maid with a badge) for a couple years out of college. The first thing they told us is, whether the person being ticketed accepts the ticket or not is irrelevant. If they refuse it, just move on (doesn't affect the validity of the ticket one bit). And yes, I did have people wad them up and throw them back at me or rip them up and toss them on the ground, and I just shrugged and moved on. As Steve said, they're only hurting themselves because they just destroyed all the information they need to contest the ticket.
I've tossed illegible tickets, looked them up and responded as needed. No need to use force, the courts have their own force, their first escalation being by mail, the next, a constable. Only met one officially once, apparently, the ticket blew away or otherwise wasn't under my wiper, an apology and quick response halted anything untoward, as it was a valid complaint and fine. Oddly, no pepper spray, tasers, firearms or thermonuclear weapons needed to be involved.
@@TheRealScooterGuy erm, it's a petty crime, the title is summary offense and not even a misdemeanor. The sheer volume of such, if strictly enforced, would overwhelm society and the courts and collapse the economy and society in general. As in, cross in a crosswalk and walk over the line, it's jaywalking, but good judgement prevents such idiotic enforcement.
"attorney fees are not actually a physical sensation" ... Says the guy usually GIVING the bill and not the one experiencing GETTING one! It can HURT like hell!
It will End eventually, but NOT well for these Costumed and Badged 🤡🤡🤡🤡 s! Along with their "protectors", the Prosecutors and Judges..... All Tyrannies FAIL in the End, alas, they do not Fail quietly.... Blood will have to be spilt ....
It will end when a sizable number of Americans say enough is enough I'm not taking this shit and fight back. I'm an old man and I remember cops who misbehaved get beaten up by the common people and bloodied up and maybe put into a hospital for their misdeeds. When that happens again watch the change in their attitude
@@veramae4098 Even then it won't end. Hell, it won't even slow down. Abolish all police, then it will end. We have a 2nd amendment for 2 reasons 1. To deal with tyrannical government. 2. To protect life, liberty, and property. An armed society is a polite society. Sure a lot of no good predators will be eliminated, but we'll come out the other side better for it.
It will end only when WE, THE PEOPLE act upon Thomas Jefferson's admonition to "water the tree of liberty", in response to the declaration of war that law enforcement has declared on the Constitution, and the FREEDOMS that are contained within.
Another video stated that manufacturer’s instruction on pepper spray was to be over 2 feet away to prevent permanent eye damage. A lawsuit could result in millions of dollars in damages
Most of their power should be removed. But, most people still really think the police protect them and their precious property 24/7. In a way, we deserve this abuse for being afraid of boogy men and our own shadows. Most crimes go unsolved, all arrests are made after the law has already been broken, and the vast majority of criminals get multiple chances and do little time anyway (while many law-abiding citizens get hit with made up charges or evidence planted on them). May just as well recruit police officers from prisons and psych wards. Most are simply sociopaths.
I worked as a correctional officer in a state prison for 35 years. We carried pepper spray. Most of the officers I worked with hated to use the stuff. Most of us would go out of our way not to spray someone and try and talk them into complying because the stuff is nasty. Not only could the inmate not see after being sprayed, but we could also see well either! Plus, it was hard for the inmate to follow commands you're giving them because their face is on fire. And we didn't enjoy the two hours of "Use of Force" paperwork that followed its use!
I worked in the King County Jail in Seattle for 10 years. I can honestly say that pepper spray when used appropriately can minimize dangerous assaults (especially for staff) and even save lives (I once pepper sprayed an inmate in high security who had ripped the heavy payphone off the wall and was slamming it repeatedly on the head of another inmate. I have no doubt that using pepper spray on that inmate saved the life of the unconscious inmate. Pepper spray use was a daily occurrence on all shifts. Frankly, the booking area at the time was so busy we didn't have time to de-escalate every situation and pepper spray is far better than fighting with inmates. Paperwork wasn't as intense as it is nowadays but at the time it was just a break filling it out until the next use of force happened....which didn't take long to happen.
I am old enough to remember both debates about the introduction of pepper spray and then tasers. They were only to be used in extreme situations where a gun would normally be used to prevent the loss of life. Now they are used for refusing to accept a ticket??? And that is now basic policy. Sounds like tyranny to me, and what does the 2A say about tyrannical government???
This "Great Experiment" America has taught us all that being this armed and isolated is enough to deter foreign invasion, but without a tight enough community it won't do anything about its own dysfunctional government.
EXACTLY right! I bring this up to younger people when I see each new police gadget that they promise 'will only be used ' in 'extreme' situations and "always with transparency', LOL. For kicks, look up NYPD and Digidogs in April 2023, make a printed copy, set it aside for 5 or 10 years, and then cringe at the resulting abuse of power and tools.
Sounds like assault to me. Why do we hear so many abuses coming out of Ft Collins and other greater Denver area PD's? Colorado needs to get its cops under control
Because Denver area cops peddle weed - true story. Huge PD underground involving drugs. The so-called officers should be tossed into a North Korean jail. They are obviously cowards.
@@WitnessingTyrannyabsolutely all are. Show me a truly good cop and I’ll show you someone who is on their first week of the job and doesn’t understand what they’ve gotten into.
"Ok, so we investigated and found that the officers involved performed unlawful and injurious actions against the defendant." "OK, so you're going to punish them?" "No."
Did you cover the cop in New York who pepper sprayed a little girl in the face for not getting in the police car *while they were removing her from an abusive home*? And at the press conference the chief was like "yeah, but did you hear what her mother said to her?" As though it's okay to batter the child because she was already being abused by her mother.
Thanks for the mention Steve, I knew you'd like this story. I watched the video and that cop was totally out of control. This is why we need a citizens oversite for cop complaints. For instances just like this, I feel that cop is a danger to the public and may end up hurting someone even worse down the road.
A person doesn’t have to be physically under arrest for a resisting arrest charge (depending on state law) but there has to be an attempt at an arrest. In most but not all states, a person can’t lawfully resist even an unlawful arrest. A person can resist unlawful force. Although I think the officers made some serious mistakes, shoving the officer’s hand may have been a misdemeanor assault therefore justifying an arrest, again depending on state law.
The sad thing is that a stop of any kind is an arrest. All cops fail to follow due process as they are yo IMMEDIATELY take you before a judge if they do not have a valid warrant in hand, to determine if it us actually a valid arrest. There are two cases out of the NYSC you can look up...I only have the years tight kid, 1912 and 1926. You cannot have fingerprints or photos taken prior to conviction as it us a 5th amendment violation. The 1926 case references the 1912 one. So, cannot be "booked" absent a conviction.
@@cadehuff7936 A detention is not an arrest under the Fourth Amendment. Convictions are not required for fingerprints under the Fourth, Fifth or Sixth Amendments. A state (as you claim, NY) can be more restrictive to their own police but there is no US Constitution violation against anything you claimed.
@@tvc1848 wow. You are completely wrong. You might want to do some studying and actually read not only the constitution, hit the cases as well. The full faith and credit clause has every case decided by the states to be valid in all other states. And it is unconstitutional as it is considered a violation of the 5th amendment. Better read the cases! And an arrest, is a stop, a restriction of movement. Again, you REALLY need to read case law Holmes. I will forgive your ignorance. I cannot forgive the arrogance of proclaiming I am wrong when you do not read the information nor know the actual constitution.
@@cadehuff7936 Perhaps you should read more. Detentions are not the same as arrests. They are both seizures however. I was replying to the OP’s statement that you can’t resist arrest if you’re not under arrest. That would be dependent on state law. I have no idea why you keep applying full faith and credit to a state law on resisting arrest or a ruling from one state supreme court that somehow applies to a different state. A state Supreme Court ruling has nothing to do with any other state. That has got to be one of the most ludicrous claims I have ever seen. There is the old saying, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Well, the same rationale applies here. What happens in New York stays in New York.
Just because they don't ACCEPT the ticket doesn't magically make the ticket disappear. It's still on the books. The cops were absolutely nuts to try to force the guy to take the ticket.
Uh oh... he touched the officer. Clearly it's a life and death situation, and deadly force was warranted. The man is lucky all he got was the pepper spray. Don't know how officers in my area are trained to serve summons and tickets, but dropping it at the person's feet if they refuse to accept sounds like a good practice. After all, simply refusing doesn't excuse you from being at court or paying the fine. Not accepting doesn't automatically enter a 'not guilty' plea or dismiss the charge or complaint. Conversely, accepting doesn't automatically enter a 'guilty' plea.
Yes, but you're completely ignoring the officer's FEEEEEEELINGS and his EEEEEEEEEEEGO. And one does not simply ignore a cop's feels during a traffic stop.
@@tipi5586 But the label on the tin says "less-than-lethal" so that's their argument and they're sticking to it. Did he die???? No. Never mind being blinded, that's not part of their calculus. If they had to THINK about the amount of damage they inflict they'd be there all day having to THINK of other ways to do their job. And nobody (that matters) wants THAT.
@@BlackJesus8463Yeah. Too bad the system defaults against people who represent themselves. Judges don't want to listen to someone advocate on their own behalf.
The argument goes that it'll be bad for cops who genuinely need QI. You know, the same cops who are silent while the bad cops among them commit bad behavior.
Nothing will ever change as long as the lawsuits are paid out by the taxpayers. Hold them personally responsible for their own actions, that's what they ask of you.
how does this sort of thing keep happening??! I'd be fired immediately & arrested if I, as a store clerk, sprayed a customer for not taking a receipt or something like that...
That is an interesting story and I hope he prevails in the lawsuit. In Westmoreland county Pennsylvania, a man did not show up for a parole officer meeting. According to the local newspaper four deputy sheriffs and 11 Pennsylvania state troopers went to a mobile home where the individual was thought to be. They found him in a bedroom under a blanket. Here’s where the story gets wild and probably disingenuous on law enforcement part. They found it necessary to tase him in his eye because they said and I quote “he went for the deputy sheriff gun“. I’m anxiously awaiting for his time in court and want to see what Pennsylvania state trooper or sheriffs deputy is stupid enough to stick with that story. This tasing in the eye was retaliatory because of something he did to a police officer a number of years before that. There is no telling how far law-enforcement will go. So far this man’s medical bills have cost the county about $100,000. As stupid as it sounds they don’t care they just wanted to get revenge. Unfortunately the current district attorney replacing the one that caused a lot of this is going to have to try him on scant evidence.
Everybody hopes the person ticketed wins the lawsuits. My sister posted something today on facebook asking people to support the police and put one of their flags up. since you can't downvote on facebook, I just said, I don't.
"no lawful reason to detain or use force..." America, one of the only places where you can be sitting in jail and the ONLY charge is "resisting arrest" .
So if a Colorado cop murders somebody or puts someone in a wheelchair for the rest of their life, the department says "we've investigated ourselves and we've found we've done nothing wrong", that person and their family can get a maximum of $25,000? With or without QI? That doesn't sound much better than qualified immunity. At least with QI, if the court decides the cop does not get QI, there's no limit to the amount. $25,000 in exchange for a life seems like an insult. All limitations on suing employees of the state should be lifted.
@@Br0nto5aurusThat's not what it means. It means that the dirty cop is responsible for up to $25,000 of any settlement. If a victim is awarded $600K, taxpayers cover $575K and the cop pays the rest, in theory.
What's frustrating is that portion where you said internal affairs wrote a multi page document basically outlining how the officers were wrong, and then didn't do anything about it.
Steve: This sounds similar to many incidents at interior Border Patrol checkpoints. These aren't border crossing points---but checkpoints set-up on major U.S. highways, miles from the border. Many U.S. citizens have to pass through these checkpoints daily, on there way to-and-from work (never crossing the border). Often, these border agents are accusatory, abusive, and threatening. Random, unwarranted vehicle searches are all-too-common. Citizens having to deal with this every day, eventually get angry and frustrated. The results are similar to those discussed in this video. It might make an interesting topic in future videos.
"We have investigated ourselves and cleared ourselves of any wrong doing and have initiated plans to harass and arrest the compliant for their audacity in trying to make us accountable for our illegal and unconstitutional actions"
Thanx for covering more serious matters. I enjoy the funny stuff, but we also need people like you to go over this sort of thing. People with their heads screwed on straight. Thanx.
Whenever i hear "they were arrested for resisting arrest" it translates to "lawsuit inbound" in my mind. How idiotic can someone be!? Different story if its stacked on top of an initial reason for the arrest of course, but how can you be arrested for resisting arrest if you were never arrested in the first place 🤦♂️
I just watched it too. The cop even said that if he doesn't take it he'll still be expected to show up for court regardless, they he immediately proceeds to attempt to force him to take it. If the cop wasn't at fault there then they never are
@@ygrittesnow1701 regardless of what anyone ever says or what laws are passed, qualified immunity can't be abolished, it exists as a result of sovereign immunity, sovereign immunity is a inherent law / inevitability that a government is free to choose if they themselves are beholden to any law(their own or otherwise), qualified immunity is that immunity passed down to the employees of the government. It is an inherent power that regardless of being removed in law exists independently of the rules that govern it, it's simply means I'm the one with the big stick you can only force me to do something if you have a bigger stick, alterations to it are in good faith of the government, and the government could choose to ignore it at any time with zero consequences because they are the government
@@jaykoernerShort of using the military citizens will always find a way of bringing a bigger stick. I don't think anyone wants to get to that point. Cops are citizens and subject to the law like anyone else. Sure it is taking time for us to get there but it is happening. Like it or not.
It is sad when you wait for the end of a video for an inspirational comment to offset the anger that builds as you watch the video of what is essentially, popo gone wild.....but, I am a glutton for punishment so, keep 'em coming Steve... Love your stuff.
That's my town and that's also my experience with the FCPD & LCSD. On 6 different occasions, the law has been broken against myself. Everything from sexual assault, robbery, and assault. They have helped 0 of those 6 times and _chose_ to violate my rights. I wish I had known too ask, back then, "If, as officers of the law, they were violating my rights intentionally, or due to negligence?"
I can answer the snow one! When I was working private security over night, we were contracted to measure snow when it began in addition to our other duties, when it got to three inches we called dispatch, and they called the city who would call in the on-call snow plow drivers, who would get up, and get to work to start plowing the roads before it got impassible.
What’s crazy is the cop said something like if you don’t take this you’ll get it in the mail and end up with a warrant for your arrest for missing your court date and then still decides to attack. Deescalation has gone out the window with cops these days. They also never said he was under arrest till they essentially had him in cuffs.
I think they reach for the pepper spray and taser far too quickly. Words are the most powerful tool a police officer has, and can work wonders when used correctly.
In the "refused a ticket" case, they could just point out that "you're getting a ticket because you didn't do anything worthy of an arrest. Assuming you skip your court date and fail to pay relevant fines, you WILL be guilty of something worthy of arrest and jail time.
One of my clients who was a cop for 17 years said he was able to talk down every single person he stopped except for one guy. Verbal jujitsu worked on everyone but one dude over a 17 year period.
Because they are cowards who feel the need to use overwhelming force to accomplish their goal. Proper H2H combat training and enforcing physical readiness standards would go a long way.
Words also require intelligence and wisdom to use effectively to ether stabilize or deescalate a situation. Neither of which is commonly found in a police force which is known to be comprised of comparatively low intelligence folks, adrenaline junkies, and people with a variety of phycological dysfunctions which should preclude them holding a position of power over life and death. Realistically the police force is just another form of military all be it at a significantly smaller scale at times. It's about damn time that with stuff this bad they need to be tried under a UCMJ and separate from the Public Courts. Internal affairs obviously isn't doing anything to reign this shit in and the Public Courts and DA's are too friendly with the Police forces.
Hydraulic needle effect is a real thing. Having taken a couple non lethal weapon courses while in the military to include being pepper sprayed, they instructed us to be more than 2 feet away before employing pepper spray.
I think some of the blame for this behavior in law enforcement is starting to fall at the feet of good officers that aren't willing to stand up and police their own.
Internal Affairs: We have investigated and found no need to punish the officer. Everyone: You found he did nothing wrong? Internal Affairs: Oh, he did plenty wrong. We just aren't going to punish him for it.
It almost seems impossible to not be charged with resisting arrest anymore....as well as obstucting or impeding an officer from performing his duties. They love to tack on false charges that most times will be dropped if you plead guilty to the original charge. Its almost like their insurance card to keep you from fighting the original charge in court.
I remember a few years ago they tased a woman for refusing to sign and the police chief commented all happy. Refusing to accept their authority, he could have handed her the ticket whether she signs it or not and been on his way or mailed it to her. "he could have broken her arm pulling her out of the car ... He didn't break nuthin, he didn't break nuthin!"
As a paramedic I hate it when the PD pepper sprays someone. After they pepper spray the subject the call for an ambulance, which is understandable. But then I basically get pepper sprayed because I have to be up close and personal with the guy (or girl) that got sprayed. And I'm most likely going to transport that patient to the hospital. Being in the back of an ambulance with a pepper sprayed patient is, to put it lightly, NOT FUN. After the transport we have to air out and scrub down the bus, and that puts us out of service for a while. Our next patient could, very possibly, be a patient with respiratory difficulties and being exposed to lingering pepper spray could be very very bad. I much prefer it (from the medical responder perspective) when the cops tase someone.
In your ideal world they would all be shot dead, and you would be able to sit in the truck and play on your phone, but you signed up to do a job, so screw your preferences
Your comment reads like a narcissistic sociopath, No compassion for the suffering of the victim, just the inconvenience of you having to put up with a MUCH lesser version of what they're going through. Gotta love that a paramedic wishes that their patient had been subjected to a (less) lethal weapon that can also permanently maim them.
Best keep your identity private and your opinion about police interactions to yourself. Because the next time you appear at a police scene, there is a better than 99% chance you too may become a victim of this type of abuse for having the nerve to have an opinion. And the only thing the coroner will staple to your forehead is a note about, under "lying" conditions. The Silencing of we, the Sheople is in full force and is supported and backed by all social media platforms. Take care.
These "all charges dropped" must come to an end right along with civil asset forfeiture. That is a free ticket for all kinds of abuse, as we have seen many, many times.
What in the hell is going on with people? Yeah, these people are cops but as a human being, how can you treat people like that? Its insane and shameful.
The police damaged his vision and he didn't get a payday? You also forgot to add that Internal Affairs found they violated some policies, but they didn't do anything wrong.
Remember, the police can put their hands all over you, and even shove, push, and punch you. But if you raise a hand to so much as block the hit, they will "retaliate" with deadly force.
Anyone that does this should not ever be in a position of authority. Whether it is bad training or bad character, these people should not be police officers.
His comment on littering triggered bad memories for me. When I first moved to California, I lost a LOT of money due to littering. I had misread all the road signs that say, "$1,000 ... Fine for Littering."
😳 Process servers have to deal with this kind of thing regularly. I really don’t recall a great deal of mention of pepper spray unless there’s an attempt to assault the server.
Usually a snow plow is an owner operated contractor where the equipment is already at their home. And, or also they are dispatched on standby for the snow storm and are paid to wait for the snow to begin.
Answer to Robot Lady Question How does a snowplow operator get to work?
I drove my Jeeps
I own a tj and live in an area with lots of snow in the winter. The jeep is actually not good in the snow due to the short wheelbase. I drive a 4wd pickup all winter instead.
The Volkswagen rabbit ad from the late 70s has entered the chat.
So it took more than one, eh? :D
Snowmobile.
In his Subaru.
Until police officers are personally accountable things like this will continue.
It won’t change anything. Bad people do bad things because they’re bad people. Just like that friend or relative you have that drinks and drives or someone who steals. They supposedly are not shielded and can face punishment, yet they keep doing bad things. Until the government quits pushing for lower standards to fit some goofy nonsense now called inclusion and equity, bad actors will continue to do bad things. You can make all the laws you want or remove protections and it will not make a dent in the real problems.
With prison time for the cops
Police _must_ be held to a higher standard than ordinary citizens. More power requires more responsibility not less.
The problem is that in a lot of cases they're dealing with criminals who know the law better than the police do because they've had a lot more experience and they know how to file lawsuits for the slightest infraction and play the victim very well.
I'd love to hear a solution to the problem.
@@MyName-tb9oz "The problem is that in a lot of cases they're dealing with criminals who know the law better than the police do because they've had a lot more experience and they know how to file lawsuits for the slightest infraction and play the victim very well."
Ah yes, the well known problem of criminals being too well versed in law for police to be able to efficiently police them. Definitely not a problem with the police being a gang of violent, unaccountable thugs. Darn street lawyer criminals ruining it for everyone...
Colorado does not have quilified immunity and you can indeed sue them. One of the few states in which you can do so.
This was never about the legality of refusing to take possession of a piece of paper. This is and always has been about; "I'm a Police Officer and I'm superior to you whenever I feel like being so!"
Did you see the Eric West Maui video where he stopped his car to ask an officer a question about a new law (emergency proclamation), and the officer wouldn't respond, wouldn't give name/badge, then called in FOUR MORE police cars....and THEY didn't answer or provide names/badges. Eventually one wrote down his name/badge, but only because that one wrote him a ticket for violating the unnamed proclamation and for not having a tag on the front of his car.
@@betsybarnicle8016very stupid to give the cops an easy job like no license plate on your car 🙄
@@christopherharris3229 They just went through a hurricane and fire.....
@@christopherharris3229cringe take there bud
@@christopherharris3229 Very stupid of you to have let the government track everybody's cars. You ACTUALLY believed it was for your own safety!
So there own internal investigation said that they didn't have a good reason to detained him and yet they exonerated the police officers......WTF 😮
And this is why police act the way they do. Plain and simple.
@@3OBTPA They're driving the world off a cliff. You can't escape bad karma.
I'm just guessing, but I think the only thing Internal Affairs cares about is if there is money is involved. The only times I have ever heard of them going after a cop is if they accept or steal money and don't share it with the rest of the blue gang.
Sadistic incompetence is promoted. They're required to be incapable of comprehending their oath or the constitution before during or since affirmation of their oath
Department trying to save themselves from lawsuits
Do cops forget they're on bodycam, or do they just know that IA will exonerate them?
They simply do not care. Rarely if ever are they punished properly for abuses of power. That alone is a HUGE problem.
As long as judges and prosecutors keep protecting cops with impunity (not charging them with obvious perjury, 1A +4A violations all day every day), it will continue
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusketeventually they will learn QI doesnt stop them being dragged out into the street from their homes in the m iddle of the night
think about what they used to get away with before body cams
Their incapable of caring.
This is disgusting but no longer surprising. I can't imagine a scenario where anyone but a cop would get away with that. If I did something half that stupid I'd lose my job and likely be thrown in jail. They get a pass. The longer this kind of thing continues the more hostility between ordinary citizens and police will increase
and we actually fund this with our tax $$$! everything a cop has bought/paid for from their paychecks is via the taxpayers they harass. makes no sense! we have to have police, we don't have to have abusers
I have no idea what your job is or if you actually work for a living. But if someone made aggressive physical contact with your person and you rolled ‘em and flipped ‘em like a booger, would you get fired?
Just wait until you hear about the Fort Wayne cop that hit and killed a pedestrian, and all he got was a 35 dollar ticket. I doubt we'd be so lucky in that case either.
@@ithinkaboutthings9052 The body cam video is on TH-cam. All the guy did was brush the cop when he put his arms out the the side. That was only after the officer walked him back 50 feet attempting to force the ticket on him. That's not what I'd call aggressive physical contact
What are you saying here, are you actually trying to say as a hypothetical that the person receiving the ticket was being physically aggressive? If so, that is not the case because you can view the body cam video of what happened right here on TH-cam.
As a life long resident of Fort Collins our police have always been corrupt, and they continue to maintain that reputation.
Yeah, Timothy Masters aside, this isn't the first story Steve's done about the Fort Collins police.
It seems not only Ft Collins but many Colorado cops in the news.
Not to mention lazy and incompetent. Over ten years ago I had a credit card company sue me for an old debt just before the statute of limitations expired. They served somebody with a name similiar to mine in Fort Collins ( where I have never even lived ). The guy they served in no way matched my physical description ( he was black and I'm white etc etc. ) Years later I found out that I had a default judgement from a Fort Collins judge against me for a case I was never even notified of. I journeyed to Fort Collins and demanded to see a copy of the proof of service. The Fort Collins deputy had falsified the paperwork because they were to lazy to actually check the information of the person who was not me that they served at an addrrss that was not mine. I went to court and challenged the judgement as well as plantiff's right to even sue me now since it was past the statute of limitations. The corrupt Fort Collins judge found against me on the basis that I still incurred the debt even if the company failed to serve me before the statute expiration. The law is basically optional for law enforcement, judges, and rich corporations in Fort Collins. They just do whatever they want there.
all police are the same
I once crumpled up a ticket and threw it out my window. Had that been in Fort Collins the officer may have returned fire
Yes Steve, some officers truly believe that if you put your hands up to stop them from beating your head into the sidewalk it's you resisting arrest and if you so much as brush up against them it's treated as if you shot them. They're giving the good cops a terrible name and need to be dealt with MORE harshly than a civilian, not less.
You got one thing wrong, there are no good cops
If good cops existed, they would get rid of the bad cops.
The "good" cops have a bad name because they don't immediately step in when it's their duty to do so and arrest the bad cop and instead, circle the wagons.
I've yet to see the "good cops" stand up and say anything about their abusive co-workers. If you stand by and watch these things happen while never doing anything, you are not longer a "good cop."
There are good 🐑 dogs?? 😂😂😂
Believe me, attorney fees can cause emotional suffering and distress.
They exist to generate billable hours for fellow BAR members and act as bill collection administration for the "STATE" and ultimately for the bankers.
They designed the system so are the only ones who know how to successfully navigate it. And it's not a service anyone voluntarily wants so they can enjoy themselves like getting a massage, or being guided to a great fishing spot. Except slip and fall scam artists and the like I suppose.
@@valentinius62 They essentially are a group of modern magi that know the sacred rituals, which are court proceedings and they also know the secret language which is Admiralty and Ecclesiastical legalese.
should also sue to be paid back for lawyer fees
If nothing else, cops cost us time, time we can never get back.
Assault pure and simple.
yeah, and the bias in favour of the police is absurd
The justice system creates violent criminals, but of course, it's not going to shit on its own doormat. 🤷♂
In which case a tap on the shoulder would be an assault. Yeah, it’s unwanted physical contact, or however it’s worded in their statutes, but gimme a break, the cop was looking for a reason, maybe he’d had a bad day, maybe the guy was chipping his teeth at him, so what?
He’s just lucky he didn’t get shot he was dealing with Americans who are also cops. Probably the 2 most likely groups to be shot by all in one package.
@@jonimaricruz1692 Why don't you know what assault is?
As a retired LEO, all I can do is a facepalm. That's someone who was never trained in how to handle that sort of rejection. It's simple, you faithfully served the summons (ticket), it's on your bodycam, be done and walk away, making a note of it in your investigators statement. Also, one of my favorite guardmount classes was John Bad Elk vs. US. It's the best caution I can think of o prevent unlawful arrests. Lastly, as a non-lethal/ less-lethal instructor, that 2" spray will most likely cause serious eye injury due to hydraulic needle effect and that officer absolutely knew that from his training. Any force that is likely to cause loss of life (unlikely), limb (again, unlikely) or eyesight (BINGO!) is defined as lethal force. As this is clearly outside of his training, I would say there is a good chance of him losing his qualified immunity here. Since this was clearly sanctioned by the department, dude is gonna get paid... bigly.
Ego is involved he should probably think about a different type of job.
They went off the rails because of contempt of cop.
Narcissists are aggressive.
In certain jurisdictions you must sign the ticket as a promise to appear in court. Doesn't mean you accept the ticket, it just means you promise to appear on court to take care of it. This is very common practice. If you do not sign, it's an immediate arrest.
@@cesiba1
Yes, as it is in my jurisdiction.
A citation must be signed as a promise to appear in court. In Texas a minor traffic charge like running a stop sign, license plate light out, etc., is a crime and a citation is a personal recognizance/PR bond for the person to be released without being arrested.
In fact in most cases an arrest is optional without allowing a person to sign.
Saw the video. The guy did the worst crime that can be committed - Contempt of Cop. He disrespected the cop's authority. This particular crime is not prosecuted by the courts. The officer administers street justice immediately. Punishment continues and escalates until the criminal submits to the officer's authority, and some times a little more is added to depending upon the degree of the offense just for emphasis . All near by officers, and those who arrive later, supervisor, chief of police, and the DA also participate. It's a team effort.
Preach, brother.
Another case of cops abusing their powers and walk away free😢
I doubt they're going to walk away free this time.
If one keeps costing your employer money, one might be unemployed.
Didn't they break the law too ? Guy might have permanent eye damage.
At the same time, you fight tickets in the court not on the street.
@@nwolinsPUnless your employer is an aspiring tyranny.
The resisting arrest charge has become meaningless. Prosecutors must drop it 99% of the time.
@robertmooberry725• the resisting and obstruction charges are meant to punish the individual victims for contempt of cop...its a personal gratification thing with cops.
Prosecutors are complicit criminals too.
Don't you mean "contempt of cop"?
@@Dirk_the_Daringmadmaximillion put "contempt of cop" in his statement.
Stacking charges.
This is Police 101 stuff, I took a job as a parking enforcement officer (basically a glorified meter maid with a badge) for a couple years out of college. The first thing they told us is, whether the person being ticketed accepts the ticket or not is irrelevant. If they refuse it, just move on (doesn't affect the validity of the ticket one bit). And yes, I did have people wad them up and throw them back at me or rip them up and toss them on the ground, and I just shrugged and moved on. As Steve said, they're only hurting themselves because they just destroyed all the information they need to contest the ticket.
Crime requires a victim of theft of self and or property. Statist logic is slave mentality.
They can still look at up at municipal court. If they don't, well, that's their problem as you mentioned.
@@nitsudocsicnarf347 -- A parking infraction isn't a crime. No victim is required.
I've tossed illegible tickets, looked them up and responded as needed.
No need to use force, the courts have their own force, their first escalation being by mail, the next, a constable.
Only met one officially once, apparently, the ticket blew away or otherwise wasn't under my wiper, an apology and quick response halted anything untoward, as it was a valid complaint and fine.
Oddly, no pepper spray, tasers, firearms or thermonuclear weapons needed to be involved.
@@TheRealScooterGuy erm, it's a petty crime, the title is summary offense and not even a misdemeanor.
The sheer volume of such, if strictly enforced, would overwhelm society and the courts and collapse the economy and society in general. As in, cross in a crosswalk and walk over the line, it's jaywalking, but good judgement prevents such idiotic enforcement.
"attorney fees are not actually a physical sensation" ... Says the guy usually GIVING the bill and not the one experiencing GETTING one! It can HURT like hell!
Can?
It bloody well does 😅
The bad thing is, this is happening multiple times a day in the US now. They investigate themselves and find they did nothing wrong. When will it end?
It will End eventually, but NOT well for these Costumed and Badged 🤡🤡🤡🤡 s!
Along with their "protectors", the Prosecutors and Judges.....
All Tyrannies FAIL in the End, alas, they do not Fail quietly.... Blood will have to be spilt ....
It will end when a sizable number of Americans say enough is enough I'm not taking this shit and fight back. I'm an old man and I remember cops who misbehaved get beaten up by the common people and bloodied up and maybe put into a hospital for their misdeeds. When that happens again watch the change in their attitude
@@veramae4098 Even then it won't end. Hell, it won't even slow down.
Abolish all police, then it will end.
We have a 2nd amendment for 2 reasons 1. To deal with tyrannical government.
2. To protect life, liberty, and property.
An armed society is a polite society.
Sure a lot of no good predators will be eliminated, but we'll come out the other side better for it.
Never
It will end only when WE, THE PEOPLE act upon Thomas Jefferson's admonition to "water the tree of liberty", in response to the declaration of war that law enforcement has declared on the Constitution, and the FREEDOMS that are contained within.
Another video stated that manufacturer’s instruction on pepper spray was to be over 2 feet away to prevent permanent eye damage. A lawsuit could result in millions of dollars in damages
Abolish qualified immunity.
police in colorado do not have qualified immunity...
@@xwhalerfanb776then charge the clown
Colorado has. How’s it working out?
I think Resisting and obstruction charges need to be removed since they are clearly abused by the corrupt cops.
My attitude is, you need to actually be fighting cops or destroying evidence for that to apply. In other words, physical acts.
Most of their power should be removed. But, most people still really think the police protect them and their precious property 24/7. In a way, we deserve this abuse for being afraid of boogy men and our own shadows. Most crimes go unsolved, all arrests are made after the law has already been broken, and the vast majority of criminals get multiple chances and do little time anyway (while many law-abiding citizens get hit with made up charges or evidence planted on them).
May just as well recruit police officers from prisons and psych wards. Most are simply sociopaths.
@@valentinius62we have a Stockholm Syndrome epidemic
Those definitely need to be removed as ORIGINATING charges. And they should never be valid as the sole charge for an arrest.
@@MonkeyJedi99 Yes, being charged with resisting arrest only is stupid. What arrest and for what?
I worked as a correctional officer in a state prison for 35 years. We carried pepper spray. Most of the officers I worked with hated to use the stuff. Most of us would go out of our way not to spray someone and try and talk them into complying because the stuff is nasty. Not only could the inmate not see after being sprayed, but we could also see well either! Plus, it was hard for the inmate to follow commands you're giving them because their face is on fire. And we didn't enjoy the two hours of "Use of Force" paperwork that followed its use!
I worked in the King County Jail in Seattle for 10 years. I can honestly say that pepper spray when used appropriately can minimize dangerous assaults (especially for staff) and even save lives (I once pepper sprayed an inmate in high security who had ripped the heavy payphone off the wall and was slamming it repeatedly on the head of another inmate. I have no doubt that using pepper spray on that inmate saved the life of the unconscious inmate. Pepper spray use was a daily occurrence on all shifts. Frankly, the booking area at the time was so busy we didn't have time to de-escalate every situation and pepper spray is far better than fighting with inmates. Paperwork wasn't as intense as it is nowadays but at the time it was just a break filling it out until the next use of force happened....which didn't take long to happen.
I worked as a deputy in California. A couple of the deputies would use their pepper spray (capsacian) on their burritos and tacos. No kidding.
I am old enough to remember both debates about the introduction of pepper spray and then tasers. They were only to be used in extreme situations where a gun would normally be used to prevent the loss of life. Now they are used for refusing to accept a ticket??? And that is now basic policy. Sounds like tyranny to me, and what does the 2A say about tyrannical government???
This "Great Experiment" America has taught us all that being this armed and isolated is enough to deter foreign invasion, but without a tight enough community it won't do anything about its own dysfunctional government.
EXACTLY right! I bring this up to younger people when I see each new police gadget that they promise 'will only be used ' in 'extreme' situations and "always with transparency', LOL. For kicks, look up NYPD and Digidogs in April 2023, make a printed copy, set it aside for 5 or 10 years, and then cringe at the resulting abuse of power and tools.
Sounds like assault to me. Why do we hear so many abuses coming out of Ft Collins and other greater Denver area PD's? Colorado needs to get its cops under control
Because Denver area cops peddle weed - true story. Huge PD underground involving drugs. The so-called officers should be tossed into a North Korean jail. They are obviously cowards.
It's Blucifer.
'All charges dropped' is your first sign that cops messed up.
Imagine a country where it is the duty of Police to be honest and stand up for the rights of it's citizens 🤔
Most all are oathbreakers.
@@WitnessingTyrannyabsolutely all are. Show me a truly good cop and I’ll show you someone who is on their first week of the job and doesn’t understand what they’ve gotten into.
One would think that an underlying cause for arrest must be present or the attempted arrest is merely illegal assault under color of law.
If you go by some cops' logic "he pushed my hand" is "assaulting a police officer" and after that, arrest is reasonable
"Ok, so we investigated and found that the officers involved performed unlawful and injurious actions against the defendant."
"OK, so you're going to punish them?"
"No."
Did you cover the cop in New York who pepper sprayed a little girl in the face for not getting in the police car *while they were removing her from an abusive home*? And at the press conference the chief was like "yeah, but did you hear what her mother said to her?" As though it's okay to batter the child because she was already being abused by her mother.
Thanks for the mention Steve, I knew you'd like this story. I watched the video and that cop was totally out of control. This is why we need a citizens oversite for cop complaints. For instances just like this, I feel that cop is a danger to the public and may end up hurting someone even worse down the road.
You cannot "resist'' arrest when you were never under arrest.
A person doesn’t have to be physically under arrest for a resisting arrest charge (depending on state law) but there has to be an attempt at an arrest. In most but not all states, a person can’t lawfully resist even an unlawful arrest. A person can resist unlawful force.
Although I think the officers made some serious mistakes, shoving the officer’s hand may have been a misdemeanor assault therefore justifying an arrest, again depending on state law.
The sad thing is that a stop of any kind is an arrest. All cops fail to follow due process as they are yo IMMEDIATELY take you before a judge if they do not have a valid warrant in hand, to determine if it us actually a valid arrest.
There are two cases out of the NYSC you can look up...I only have the years tight kid, 1912 and 1926. You cannot have fingerprints or photos taken prior to conviction as it us a 5th amendment violation. The 1926 case references the 1912 one. So, cannot be "booked" absent a conviction.
@@cadehuff7936
A detention is not an arrest under the Fourth Amendment.
Convictions are not required for fingerprints under the Fourth, Fifth or Sixth Amendments.
A state (as you claim, NY) can be more restrictive to their own police but there is no US Constitution violation against anything you claimed.
@@tvc1848 wow. You are completely wrong. You might want to do some studying and actually read not only the constitution, hit the cases as well. The full faith and credit clause has every case decided by the states to be valid in all other states. And it is unconstitutional as it is considered a violation of the 5th amendment. Better read the cases!
And an arrest, is a stop, a restriction of movement. Again, you REALLY need to read case law Holmes.
I will forgive your ignorance. I cannot forgive the arrogance of proclaiming I am wrong when you do not read the information nor know the actual constitution.
@@cadehuff7936
Perhaps you should read more.
Detentions are not the same as arrests. They are both seizures however.
I was replying to the OP’s statement that you can’t resist arrest if you’re not under arrest. That would be dependent on state law.
I have no idea why you keep applying full faith and credit to a state law on resisting arrest or a ruling from one state supreme court that somehow applies to a different state.
A state Supreme Court ruling has nothing to do with any other state. That has got to be one of the most ludicrous claims I have ever seen.
There is the old saying, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.
Well, the same rationale applies here. What happens in New York stays in New York.
Just because they don't ACCEPT the ticket doesn't magically make the ticket disappear. It's still on the books. The cops were absolutely nuts to try to force the guy to take the ticket.
Uh oh... he touched the officer. Clearly it's a life and death situation, and deadly force was warranted. The man is lucky all he got was the pepper spray.
Don't know how officers in my area are trained to serve summons and tickets, but dropping it at the person's feet if they refuse to accept sounds like a good practice. After all, simply refusing doesn't excuse you from being at court or paying the fine. Not accepting doesn't automatically enter a 'not guilty' plea or dismiss the charge or complaint. Conversely, accepting doesn't automatically enter a 'guilty' plea.
Lol, like pleas matter
Yes, but you're completely ignoring the officer's FEEEEEEELINGS and his EEEEEEEEEEEGO. And one does not simply ignore a cop's feels during a traffic stop.
But deadly force was not warranted, because they were breaking his constitutional rights by their behaviour. They're oath breakers.
@@tipi5586 But the label on the tin says "less-than-lethal" so that's their argument and they're sticking to it.
Did he die???? No.
Never mind being blinded, that's not part of their calculus. If they had to THINK about the amount of damage they inflict they'd be there all day having to THINK of other ways to do their job. And nobody (that matters) wants THAT.
"I'm sorry, I was reaching for my taser, but accidentally grabbed my gun..." It happened.
Law enforcement is the greatest threat to public safety.
When I look at my bank account, attorney’s fees are absolutely a physical sensation
Attorney fees can actually be quite painful.😊❤
Thats why you always represent yourself! 👍
@@BlackJesus8463Yeah. Too bad the system defaults against people who represent themselves. Judges don't want to listen to someone advocate on their own behalf.
End Qualified Immunity
The argument goes that it'll be bad for cops who genuinely need QI. You know, the same cops who are silent while the bad cops among them commit bad behavior.
I know the argument very well. End Qualified Immunity.
Nothing will ever change as long as the lawsuits are paid out by the taxpayers. Hold them personally responsible for their own actions, that's what they ask of you.
the "contempt of cop" charges (delaying/obstructing/resisting) are what every corrupt officer leads with
Great job by those cops. I love it when they choose to do something that's going to make a citizen wealthy.
We have sadistic people in law enforcement, I can see them being right at home in a psychiatric hospital tormenting patients
Why am I not surprised that this happened in Fort Collins!
Fort Collins Police are completely out of control. I worked in that area for about 2 years, driving through there almost every day was stressful.
Isn't Fort Collins a blue city?
All i know is i saw a lot of trump stickers, maga hats, and Q shirts. There.
And Mormons
But most importantly seeing people on the side of the road getting their cars searched was a daily thing.
@@almosthuman4457 They were looking for victims. 🤣🤣✌
how does this sort of thing keep happening??! I'd be fired immediately & arrested if I, as a store clerk, sprayed a customer for not taking a receipt or something like that...
because if you did that, the store would have to pay the settlement. But when cops do it, the taxpayers pay.
That is an interesting story and I hope he prevails in the lawsuit. In Westmoreland county Pennsylvania, a man did not show up for a parole officer meeting. According to the local newspaper four deputy sheriffs and 11 Pennsylvania state troopers went to a mobile home where the individual was thought to be. They found him in a bedroom under a blanket. Here’s where the story gets wild and probably disingenuous on law enforcement part. They found it necessary to tase him in his eye because they said and I quote “he went for the deputy sheriff gun“. I’m anxiously awaiting for his time in court and want to see what Pennsylvania state trooper or sheriffs deputy is stupid enough to stick with that story. This tasing in the eye was retaliatory because of something he did to a police officer a number of years before that. There is no telling how far law-enforcement will go. So far this man’s medical bills have cost the county about $100,000. As stupid as it sounds they don’t care they just wanted to get revenge. Unfortunately the current district attorney replacing the one that caused a lot of this is going to have to try him on scant evidence.
Wow. Cops are becoming unhinged.
Everybody hopes the person ticketed wins the lawsuits. My sister posted something today on facebook asking people to support the police and put one of their flags up. since you can't downvote on facebook, I just said, I don't.
This should be a big reward. No reason for this type of abuse of power. Not the type of policing most people want in USA
"no lawful reason to detain or use force..." America, one of the only places where you can be sitting in jail and the ONLY charge is "resisting arrest" .
Not accepting a "Paper", Letting it Drop? Who is responsible for 'Littering' under that?
Here in Colorado the cops don't have qualified immunity. They can be personally sued for up to $25,000.
Congrats. Your $100,000 lawsuit is now limited to paying for the lawyer fees, or not even that.
So if a Colorado cop murders somebody or puts someone in a wheelchair for the rest of their life, the department says "we've investigated ourselves and we've found we've done nothing wrong", that person and their family can get a maximum of $25,000? With or without QI? That doesn't sound much better than qualified immunity. At least with QI, if the court decides the cop does not get QI, there's no limit to the amount. $25,000 in exchange for a life seems like an insult.
All limitations on suing employees of the state should be lifted.
@@Br0nto5aurusThat's not what it means. It means that the dirty cop is responsible for up to $25,000 of any settlement. If a victim is awarded $600K, taxpayers cover $575K and the cop pays the rest, in theory.
Excellent report. Thank you
Cops: "We have investigated ourselves...."
Law enforcement should be constitutionally banned from investigating themselves or anyone who knows them or works in the same state.
What's frustrating is that portion where you said internal affairs wrote a multi page document basically outlining how the officers were wrong, and then didn't do anything about it.
I also remember one Fort Collins PD cop made 9 false DUI arrests. Something tells me it’s not just a few “bad apples” in that department.
The law is the law..... and it goes both ways. Police officers should know the law.
Steve: This sounds similar to many incidents at interior Border Patrol checkpoints. These aren't border crossing points---but checkpoints set-up on major U.S. highways, miles from the border. Many U.S. citizens have to pass through these checkpoints daily, on there way to-and-from work (never crossing the border). Often, these border agents are accusatory, abusive, and threatening. Random, unwarranted vehicle searches are all-too-common. Citizens having to deal with this every day, eventually get angry and frustrated. The results are similar to those discussed in this video. It might make an interesting topic in future videos.
The right to self defense, includes defending against cops attacking you.
"We have investigated ourselves and cleared ourselves of any wrong doing and have initiated plans to harass and arrest the compliant for their audacity in trying to make us accountable for our illegal and unconstitutional actions"
Police really can't stand being told no.
The police are out of control. They need to be charged criminally for their actions.
Thanx for covering more serious matters. I enjoy the funny stuff, but we also need people like you to go over this sort of thing. People with their heads screwed on straight. Thanx.
Whenever i hear "they were arrested for resisting arrest" it translates to "lawsuit inbound" in my mind. How idiotic can someone be!? Different story if its stacked on top of an initial reason for the arrest of course, but how can you be arrested for resisting arrest if you were never arrested in the first place 🤦♂️
I just searched and found the body cam footage.
I hope all those officers lose their qualified immunity.
I just watched it too. The cop even said that if he doesn't take it he'll still be expected to show up for court regardless, they he immediately proceeds to attempt to force him to take it. If the cop wasn't at fault there then they never are
This is Colorado. They did abolish QI.
Lose not loose. Loose is what your pants are after you lose weight.
@@ygrittesnow1701 regardless of what anyone ever says or what laws are passed, qualified immunity can't be abolished, it exists as a result of sovereign immunity, sovereign immunity is a inherent law / inevitability that a government is free to choose if they themselves are beholden to any law(their own or otherwise), qualified immunity is that immunity passed down to the employees of the government.
It is an inherent power that regardless of being removed in law exists independently of the rules that govern it, it's simply means I'm the one with the big stick you can only force me to do something if you have a bigger stick, alterations to it are in good faith of the government, and the government could choose to ignore it at any time with zero consequences because they are the government
@@jaykoernerShort of using the military citizens will always find a way of bringing a bigger stick. I don't think anyone wants to get to that point. Cops are citizens and subject to the law like anyone else. Sure it is taking time for us to get there but it is happening. Like it or not.
If you look up the law it very clearly states that failure to properly respect an officer's unquestionable authority, is obstruction of justice.
"Properly respect an officer's unquestionable authority..." You're joking right?
Ben hiding behind Steve's head and behind the microphone.
It is sad when you wait for the end of a video for an inspirational comment to offset the anger that builds as you watch the video of what is essentially, popo gone wild.....but, I am a glutton for punishment so, keep 'em coming Steve... Love your stuff.
it makes you wonder what happened before body cameras were worn!!😮
I'm going to try this technique
the right to self defense is inalienable.
It includes the right to defend against any and all attackers....
... including cops.
I did not hear that he was warned about trespassing first before citing in the first place.....
He clearly committed contempt of cop. Punishable by beating, tasing, or death!!
And yet people are still confused why some police in this country are so feared.
Hated...
I love how it's legal for the police to make somebody sign something under duress
That's my town and that's also my experience with the FCPD & LCSD. On 6 different occasions, the law has been broken against myself. Everything from sexual assault, robbery, and assault. They have helped 0 of those 6 times and _chose_ to violate my rights. I wish I had known too ask, back then, "If, as officers of the law, they were violating my rights intentionally, or due to negligence?"
you have no obligation to be a victim, not even if the attacker is a cop.
Use your right to self defense, fight back, win.
I can answer the snow one! When I was working private security over night, we were contracted to measure snow when it began in addition to our other duties, when it got to three inches we called dispatch, and they called the city who would call in the on-call snow plow drivers, who would get up, and get to work to start plowing the roads before it got impassible.
Why do cops get away with breaking the law because it didn't violate policy?
What’s crazy is the cop said something like if you don’t take this you’ll get it in the mail and end up with a warrant for your arrest for missing your court date and then still decides to attack. Deescalation has gone out the window with cops these days. They also never said he was under arrest till they essentially had him in cuffs.
Qualified Immunity must be abolished.
I think they reach for the pepper spray and taser far too quickly. Words are the most powerful tool a police officer has, and can work wonders when used correctly.
In the "refused a ticket" case, they could just point out that "you're getting a ticket because you didn't do anything worthy of an arrest. Assuming you skip your court date and fail to pay relevant fines, you WILL be guilty of something worthy of arrest and jail time.
Yes, but that takes empathy and effort. Ain't nobody got time for that!
One of my clients who was a cop for 17 years said he was able to talk down every single person he stopped except for one guy. Verbal jujitsu worked on everyone but one dude over a 17 year period.
Because they are cowards who feel the need to use overwhelming force to accomplish their goal. Proper H2H combat training and enforcing physical readiness standards would go a long way.
Words also require intelligence and wisdom to use effectively to ether stabilize or deescalate a situation. Neither of which is commonly found in a police force which is known to be comprised of comparatively low intelligence folks, adrenaline junkies, and people with a variety of phycological dysfunctions which should preclude them holding a position of power over life and death. Realistically the police force is just another form of military all be it at a significantly smaller scale at times. It's about damn time that with stuff this bad they need to be tried under a UCMJ and separate from the Public Courts. Internal affairs obviously isn't doing anything to reign this shit in and the Public Courts and DA's are too friendly with the Police forces.
Hydraulic needle effect is a real thing. Having taken a couple non lethal weapon courses while in the military to include being pepper sprayed, they instructed us to be more than 2 feet away before employing pepper spray.
I think some of the blame for this behavior in law enforcement is starting to fall at the feet of good officers that aren't willing to stand up and police their own.
It started so well with the officer explaining what will happen if he doesn't know his court date and then it escalated
Internal Affairs: We have investigated and found no need to punish the officer.
Everyone: You found he did nothing wrong?
Internal Affairs: Oh, he did plenty wrong. We just aren't going to punish him for it.
It almost seems impossible to not be charged with resisting arrest anymore....as well as obstucting or impeding an officer from performing his duties. They love to tack on false charges that most times will be dropped if you plead guilty to the original charge. Its almost like their insurance card to keep you from fighting the original charge in court.
I remember a few years ago they tased a woman for refusing to sign and the police chief commented all happy. Refusing to accept their authority, he could have handed her the ticket whether she signs it or not and been on his way or mailed it to her. "he could have broken her arm pulling her out of the car ... He didn't break nuthin, he didn't break nuthin!"
The antidote to bad policing is a good video.
As a paramedic I hate it when the PD pepper sprays someone. After they pepper spray the subject the call for an ambulance, which is understandable. But then I basically get pepper sprayed because I have to be up close and personal with the guy (or girl) that got sprayed. And I'm most likely going to transport that patient to the hospital. Being in the back of an ambulance with a pepper sprayed patient is, to put it lightly, NOT FUN. After the transport we have to air out and scrub down the bus, and that puts us out of service for a while. Our next patient could, very possibly, be a patient with respiratory difficulties and being exposed to lingering pepper spray could be very very bad.
I much prefer it (from the medical responder perspective) when the cops tase someone.
Good for fleeing a bear, though.
@@j.l.m.6862 LOL Yes, because paramedics do that all the time.
In your ideal world they would all be shot dead, and you would be able to sit in the truck and play on your phone, but you signed up to do a job, so screw your preferences
Your comment reads like a narcissistic sociopath, No compassion for the suffering of the victim, just the inconvenience of you having to put up with a MUCH lesser version of what they're going through.
Gotta love that a paramedic wishes that their patient had been subjected to a (less) lethal weapon that can also permanently maim them.
Best keep your identity private and your opinion about police interactions to yourself. Because the next time you appear at a police scene, there is a better than 99% chance you too may become a victim of this type of abuse for having the nerve to have an opinion. And the only thing the coroner will staple to your forehead is a note about, under "lying" conditions. The Silencing of we, the Sheople is in full force and is supported and backed by all social media platforms. Take care.
These "all charges dropped" must come to an end right along with civil asset forfeiture.
That is a free ticket for all kinds of abuse, as we have seen many, many times.
Sarah shelkie “probably misspelled her name” is a damn good civil rights lawyer she’s the law firm representing this guy
One question I have always wondered about: Don't you have to be UNDER arrest for something before you can RESIST arrest?
What in the hell is going on with people? Yeah, these people are cops but as a human being, how can you treat people like that? Its insane and shameful.
Only way to enforce bad laws is with sociopaths. You probably do it all the time in the name of morality.
@@BlackJesus8463 That's %100 correct. Except, I'm a kind person. Not sure if you're saying I did that.
he put hands on the officer first.................case dismissed.
The police damaged his vision and he didn't get a payday?
You also forgot to add that Internal Affairs found they violated some policies, but they didn't do anything wrong.
That's what this lawsuit is all about, that "payday".
@@phydeux I hope he gets the big payday, he definitely deserves it. But sadly it won't be the dirty pigs that pay, it'll be the citizens.
If you don't end up getting any satisfaction from a lawsuit, there's other ways to get even, like finding where they live.
Hell of a contradictory statement. They violated policy but did nothing wrong. The police are amazing at bullshitting their way out of their evil.
You clearly didn't watch the video. It was explicitly mentioned.
any tool given to the police will be abused and misused by the police, they should be in prison.
zero accountability for corrupt official activities must end
Remember, the police can put their hands all over you, and even shove, push, and punch you. But if you raise a hand to so much as block the hit, they will "retaliate" with deadly force.
No, they cannot do that legally.
@@cpmf2112 No one said it would be legal.
Anyone that does this should not ever be in a position of authority. Whether it is bad training or bad character, these people should not be police officers.
His comment on littering triggered bad memories for me. When I first moved to California, I lost a LOT of money due to littering. I had misread all the road signs that say, "$1,000 ... Fine for Littering."
There is a video of cop who pressed a citation against a guys chest and said, you are served.
😳 Process servers have to deal with this kind of thing regularly. I really don’t recall a great deal of mention of pepper spray unless there’s an attempt to assault the server.
Usually a snow plow is an owner operated contractor where the equipment is already at their home. And, or also they are dispatched on standby for the snow storm and are paid to wait for the snow to begin.