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Will never forget watching the first night of HNIC and seeing that no spine backstabber Ron Maclean solo for the first time. I don't watch hockey anymore. They did you wrong Grapes, but I am happy your doing your own thing now, miss you tonnes.
In fact Mikylev chose leafs based on Zetterberg telling him to play for Babs…btw he sat Subban and the midget and win the whole damn thing…Babs knew Subban was/is a train wreck in his own end.
I can vividly remember people always questioning why Hyman was on the first line with Mathews - even saying he does not have the skill to be playing with him -and Babcock would say how good of a hockey player Hyman was over and over again . That is the thing with Babcock - he definitely had his favorites and he would do everything for them . And there are a lot of stories of how cruel he was to anyone else. Comparing him to Detroit is pointless - there he had 3 players that were all timers -they worked hardest and were completely self disciplined- Lidstrom, Datsyuk and Zetterberg - all Babcock could do is get in their way - and he was wise enough not to . Those players steered the ship most of the way while he was there - he certainly had his favorites there too and was very cruel and sadistic to others that he could - but that teams core rose above it . He always seemed to want to feature less talented players the idea being to show how brilliant a coach he was, that is what it seemed. His last couple years in Detroit he was completely infatuated with Luke Glendenning - he got more toi than any forward
Babcock was always a hard nosed coach and was known to be among the best. His style never changed with Toronto. A couple of players whine about Babs being a meany poo and the woke media frothed at the mouth just like they did with Don. Sad times we live in.
Mike Babcock’s ego is much larger than his effectiveness as a coach. He got a lucky break to coach a stacked Detroit team to one cup. Scotty Bowman won eight cups….. and is 5 times more humble than Babcock.
absolutely on the ego - lucky to coach a stacked team ? Can't agree with you there - When Scotty retired they all said -"anyone can win with that team" and the anyone they chose was Dave Lewis and they got knocked out of the playoffs early 2 years in a row- Babs is a good coach he is very prepared and runs a pretty tight ship - but has some real character issues - and as far as Scotty - there will never be another he is a very humble man for all he accomplished and still so sharp even today at 88 - if you listen to him talk he has not skipped a beat
maybe not THE best, but definitely better than the rest of "best defense core" of Nashville Predators who couldn't make a proper move in the series against Penguins.
The year the preds made the finals his defensive analytics were off the charts good. I also think that was how he got injured and never ended up the same again 🤣 rough luck, but yeah he was a beast, played to risky with his body to last though.
Thing is Babcock is a brilliant coach. But he preaches the same sermon day after day. Its a good thing its gets the players into a certain mentality. But after 6-8 years of the same thing it starts to fall on deaf ears. He was amazing with the job he did in Detroit. I know he coached longer there, but the point is after so many years you saw it start to fall off. And thus he was done there. Coaches have to keep it fresh. But if you ever get a coach like this, listen to him. They know what they are doing. Your career will go much further. Game On!
Brilliant coach who never played Marner Matthews together at all took minutes away from the leagues best scorer Preferred stretch passes and "heavy" hockey. He was good at one point but his ego and inability to adapt towards the higher skill and faster pace game dug his grave as a coach. He preferred the hard way of doing things his players didnt. Making players do stupid things and creating turmoil in the dressing room is the sign of a bad coach. Good riddance the Leafs were able to spread their wings and fly immediately once Babcock left. Once again good riddance.
@@urbanpeltier1622 valid points. but toronto is still soft. not too many hard nosed players on that roster still. they'll falter again in the playoffs until this is addressed.
@@NIVO1972 they are ready. They added Foligno, Simmonds, Thornton, Bogosian, Spezza, Nash Muzzin, and the young guys have more confidence in their game this team has everything it needs
Brilliant? How so? He was petty and vindictive with Modano and Spezza, not to mention stupid. Why stupid? Whatever possessed Babcock to have Marner draw up that list and then share it with others? And this from a university educated guy who had been coaching 25+ years. What coaching symposium did he learn that tactic?
How many hockey players at any rank has Babcock worked with through his coaching career? 1000, more? I've heard 10 negative bully type stories. The NHL hockey I grew up with and always knew has changed. Its been a goddamn travesty.
It's well known within hockey circles no one liked Babcock. It's possible to be a hard ass coach without being a total scumbag. Apparently Babcock went out of his way to even treat cleaners and arena personnel like shit, without a good reason. Who the hell does that? What the hell does cleaners and arena personnel have to do with his coaching? It's not about him being a mean coach, it's about him being a scumbag person. Chris Chelios was a pretty old school player who played under Mike Keenan. He still thought Babcock was an ass. For fucks sake, just look at the guy. Guy looks like some grumpy cartoon character from Beavis & Butt-Head.
Don have you ever had any more contact with your room mate Larry Zidel....talk about rock em sock him hockey....that guy brought a club to the game to beat his opens to death.....I remember the stick swinging brawl with Eddie Shack and Zidel.
@@jaygotteiner8144 Was it caused by him swinging his stick in the seniors residence.....LOL.....I understand Larry entered a stage of dementia and his loved ones kept away.....all those years in the minors took their toll on the guy I'm sure
Babcock has been around a long time how many people has he been in contact with, thousands maybe more and yet 1, 2 or more he has ticked off, seems like people always drag up those bad times and not the good stories. In saying that you have to respect yourself for who you are, and try not to be 1 person to this guy and another to the next guy pretty soon you think who really am I, always agreeing with everyone just to make them happy.
But when he liked someone, he liked them...if he didn't like the guy he would put the screws to them...Modano, Chelios, Commodore, Franzen. The list is long. Babcock is a bad human being.
Yup, that's how a lot of abusers are. They're nice to a select few so it makes their victims have less credibility. "But he's so nice to so and so, how could he possibly be a jerk?"
Babcock did not want to come to Toronto. Shannahan insisted. It was a bad and costly move in many ways. Babcock is out of Toronto now. He should keep out of Toronto. The worst most hated coach ever. No one in Toronto ever wants hear about Babcock ever again. It is like he was never here and like he never existed. Good day
i don't know how familiar you are with Narcissism but it would not be unusual for a coach like that and depending how it is played - can be advantageous. It is not so much the narcissism but the cruelty that I think is really problematic in his case.
Spezza didn’t get traded to the leafs he signed as a free agent. Get it together, most of us who watch hockey know more than the people who make a living talking about hockey. Most drunks guys sitting at a bar know more than these guys.
@@mrgreekgm754 yes ...appreciate you asking ...swam for a short spell in Lake Cameron today ...try to do this 3 times a week ...you feel different ...more well somehow ...mountain fed lake ...try it out someday :))
I guess you need a mean guy to tell spoilt rich kids to work and earn it. He got fired for it because Marner cried and told. Never in my life had I hated a Leaf more then Marner. Kid used to be my fave and I used to think he was captain material. Nope, he just a soft crying snitch.
When the Marner story came out, I lost all respect for this man. He made a 19 year old rookie Mitch Marner cry in front of his teammates. He may know how to win, but he is a awful person.
@Forgiveness or Love Then can he elevate the team like Barry Trotz when the lineup is under par? If not his "cup" should be attributed to the once great roster of the Wings.
Babcock liked having a team with MEN on them not little Peter Pan boys like the Leafs have. Just wait, when the playoffs start the Leafs will FALL again cuz of the Peter Pan players and management they have.
@@urbanpeltier1622 Just watch the Leafs in the playoffs, then will struggle with the WEAK all Canadian division, IF they even get out of that division they will be destroyed playing REAL hockey teams. The Leafs ARE GARBAGE!!!
Meanwhile Babcock does not give a rats' ass about the Maple Queefs because they still have to pay him millions even though he was canned. Only the Maple Queefs could kill an Olympic gold medal and Stanley Cup winning coach. Oh and one other thing: Torrana will be knocked off in round one just like every other year. 😂
He just took a coaching job this month as a volunteer for 2 years at the university of Saskatchewan. I assume because its volunteer he will still get paid by the Queefs. Sweet deal. Almost 6 mil a year until 2023 lol.
Don, I love you man, but I think Babcock changed his coaching methods and got too big for his britches. Remember too, he didn't give Justin Holl an opportunity at all. Now, he is a stud of a defenceman. Anyways, love you. Take Care
no dude he has always been like that - it was just not under the microscope that it was in Toronto . He picks guys that he either likes or doesn't and if he doesn't he will ruin their careers if he can that is beyond just being a coach . Actually he and Ron Wilson are really an awful lot alike - i remember when i was living in Washington- and Wilson had success early- he was very popular - but he could not handle it when things went bad his ego just went off the wall - so i always said he would be disaster in Toronto - and he was - and Babs is very similar
I do not know if many of the people on here were around when Grapes coached - but - as coaches he and Babs could not be any more different. Cherry was the absolute "players" coach he knew that players play the game and his success was going to be tied to getting his best out of his players- so he was all about encouraging - he definitely had his "type " of players but he bent over backwards to make them the stars and give them the credit . Babs has always approached players as fortunate to be under his brilliance - he no doubt prepares them and can make them better - but their coaching styles are night and day .
I love ya Don.....you’re as Canadian as they come and you had our back in Afghanistan and I’ve got yours today....love ya brother ❤️🇨🇦👍
Been of a fan of Coach Cherry for 40 years.
Watching from Detroit.
Don you have no idea how much your missed on Saturday nights. My 7 year old is asking “where’s uncle Don” haha
Will never forget watching the first night of HNIC and seeing that no spine backstabber Ron Maclean solo for the first time. I don't watch hockey anymore. They did you wrong Grapes, but I am happy your doing your own thing now, miss you tonnes.
I still miss Don being on Tv regularly.
Miss you Grapes!
Don is a national treasure
Miss you Don! You the man!
Don I'm like you I speak my mind I miss you on HNIC and I hope you are healthy and content
Bring Don back to CBC. Fire the executives in charge.
Don is too good for the modern CBC liberal propaganda network
Hockey has not been the same since Mr. Don Cherry is not on.
I love these stories. I heard horror stories about Babcock. I never knew the man nor played for him.
In fact Mikylev chose leafs based on Zetterberg telling him to play for Babs…btw he sat Subban and the midget and win the whole damn thing…Babs knew Subban was/is a train wreck in his own end.
Don Cherry for PM ✅
What's Trump in Canadian? Cherry.
You'll never break the Hyman 😂
Lmfnnao
Meanwhile Hyman is one of the NHL’s leading scorers. 😂😂😂
Babcock is not responsible for Hyman's development. His work ethic comes from within.
no question - on that- Hyman is a terrific story - but he did encourage and help develop Hyman -he really did .
Apparently players are saying Babcock is a bully and a terrible person
Love Don, from all the way down in Alabama!!! GO PENS
Babcock played Hyman, loved Hyman. You can’t make this up
I can vividly remember people always questioning why Hyman was on the first line with Mathews - even saying he does not have the skill to be playing with him -and Babcock would say how good of a hockey player Hyman was over and over again . That is the thing with Babcock - he definitely had his favorites and he would do everything for them . And there are a lot of stories of how cruel he was to anyone else. Comparing him to Detroit is pointless - there he had 3 players that were all timers -they worked hardest and were completely self disciplined- Lidstrom, Datsyuk and Zetterberg - all Babcock could do is get in their way - and he was wise enough not to . Those players steered the ship most of the way while he was there - he certainly had his favorites there too and was very cruel and sadistic to others that he could - but that teams core rose above it . He always seemed to want to feature less talented players the idea being to show how brilliant a coach he was, that is what it seemed. His last couple years in Detroit he was completely infatuated with Luke Glendenning - he got more toi than any forward
We will see if the 2021 leafs are better in the playoffs .All the best Leaf fans .
Babcock was always a hard nosed coach and was known to be among the best. His style never changed with Toronto. A couple of players whine about Babs being a meany poo and the woke media frothed at the mouth just like they did with Don. Sad times we live in.
Marner did not like him and said he underperformed in the playoffs. Some things never change like Marner still underperforming in the playoffs.
We still love and miss you Grapes here in Detroit......
Ron MacLean you still suck !!!
Don cherry for prime minister ❤❤❤
Mike Babcock’s ego is much larger than his effectiveness as a coach. He got a lucky break to coach a stacked Detroit team to one cup.
Scotty Bowman won eight cups….. and is 5 times more humble than Babcock.
absolutely on the ego - lucky to coach a stacked team ? Can't agree with you there - When Scotty retired they all said -"anyone can win with that team" and the anyone they chose was Dave Lewis and they got knocked out of the playoffs early 2 years in a row- Babs is a good coach he is very prepared and runs a pretty tight ship - but has some real character issues - and as far as Scotty - there will never be another he is a very humble man for all he accomplished and still so sharp even today at 88 - if you listen to him talk he has not skipped a beat
@@pjpredhomme7699 ok! Well you agreed with 2 out of 3 points that I made. I’ll take it !! :)
He told zetterburg and Lindstrom to share the same bed
I can see why.
@@bobabooey4537 why?
😂
Was PK really ever REALLY the best defenseman?
He wasn’t the best on Montreal
maybe not THE best, but definitely better than the rest of "best defense core" of Nashville Predators who couldn't make a proper move in the series against Penguins.
The year the preds made the finals his defensive analytics were off the charts good. I also think that was how he got injured and never ended up the same again 🤣 rough luck, but yeah he was a beast, played to risky with his body to last though.
Thing is Babcock is a brilliant coach. But he preaches the same sermon day after day. Its a good thing its gets the players into a certain mentality. But after 6-8 years of the same thing it starts to fall on deaf ears. He was amazing with the job he did in Detroit. I know he coached longer there, but the point is after so many years you saw it start to fall off. And thus he was done there. Coaches have to keep it fresh. But if you ever get a coach like this, listen to him. They know what they are doing. Your career will go much further. Game On!
Brilliant coach who never played Marner Matthews together at all took minutes away from the leagues best scorer
Preferred stretch passes and "heavy" hockey.
He was good at one point but his ego and inability to adapt towards the higher skill and faster pace game dug his grave as a coach.
He preferred the hard way of doing things his players didnt. Making players do stupid things and creating turmoil in the dressing room is the sign of a bad coach. Good riddance the Leafs were able to spread their wings and fly immediately once Babcock left. Once again good riddance.
@@urbanpeltier1622 valid points. but toronto is still soft. not too many hard nosed players on that roster still. they'll falter again in the playoffs until this is addressed.
@@NIVO1972 they are ready.
They added Foligno, Simmonds, Thornton, Bogosian, Spezza, Nash Muzzin, and the young guys have more confidence in their game this team has everything it needs
Babcock was very petty, played stupid mind games with the players. He was a real jerk.
Brilliant? How so? He was petty and vindictive with Modano and Spezza, not to mention stupid. Why stupid? Whatever possessed Babcock to have Marner draw up that list and then share it with others? And this from a university educated guy who had been coaching 25+ years. What coaching symposium did he learn that tactic?
How many hockey players at any rank has Babcock worked with through his coaching career? 1000, more? I've heard 10 negative bully type stories.
The NHL hockey I grew up with and always knew has changed. Its been a goddamn travesty.
It's well known within hockey circles no one liked Babcock. It's possible to be a hard ass coach without being a total scumbag. Apparently Babcock went out of his way to even treat cleaners and arena personnel like shit, without a good reason. Who the hell does that? What the hell does cleaners and arena personnel have to do with his coaching? It's not about him being a mean coach, it's about him being a scumbag person.
Chris Chelios was a pretty old school player who played under Mike Keenan. He still thought Babcock was an ass. For fucks sake, just look at the guy. Guy looks like some grumpy cartoon character from Beavis & Butt-Head.
Whine some more. That always fixes everything.
Unlock your phone and hand it to me
I'm done with CBC, NO GRAPES, NO CBC!
For the first time ever, I have been choosing NBC over CBC. No Grapes, No CBC is right!
Gotta' stick to our convictions, that's what separates us from the Commies.
Don Cherry is right! I liked Babcock. And as Cherry always used to say " He's a good Irish kid".
DON IS THE BEST. SPORTSNET SUCKS.
CBJ should have listened to this 2 y.o. clip as Don's daughter said Bab's was just mean....for benching Spezza for his TML debut
Don have you ever had any more contact with your room mate Larry Zidel....talk about rock em sock him hockey....that guy brought a club to the game to beat his opens to death.....I remember the stick swinging brawl with Eddie Shack and Zidel.
zeidel has been dead for years
@@jaygotteiner8144 Was it caused by him swinging his stick in the seniors residence.....LOL.....I understand Larry entered a stage of dementia and his loved ones kept away.....all those years in the minors took their toll on the guy I'm sure
Use to love how Babcock use to roll four lines no matter what... Not!
Babcock has been around a long time how many people has he been in contact with, thousands maybe more and yet 1, 2 or more he has ticked off, seems like people always drag up those bad times and not the good stories. In saying that you have to respect yourself for who you are, and try not to be 1 person to this guy and another to the next guy pretty soon you think who really am I, always agreeing with everyone just to make them happy.
Subway
But when he liked someone, he liked them...if he didn't like the guy he would put the screws to them...Modano, Chelios, Commodore, Franzen. The list is long. Babcock is a bad human being.
Yup, that's how a lot of abusers are. They're nice to a select few so it makes their victims have less credibility.
"But he's so nice to so and so, how could he possibly be a jerk?"
Being a good human is more important than being a good coach....Babcock failed on accounts. Have not watched the first intermission since you left.
Babcock also would never play marner with matthews . Ha
And yet, they still haven't won a round. Ha
Babcock did not want to come to Toronto.
Shannahan insisted.
It was a bad and costly move in many ways.
Babcock is out of Toronto now.
He should keep out of Toronto.
The worst most hated coach ever.
No one in Toronto ever wants hear about Babcock ever again.
It is like he was never here and like he never existed.
Good day
Cherry and Babcock prove the hhof is a joke
Babcock was an egotistical headcase.
Babcock was a narcissist who should never get another offer to coach in the league again.
i don't know how familiar you are with Narcissism but it would not be unusual for a coach like that and depending how it is played - can be advantageous. It is not so much the narcissism but the cruelty that I think is really problematic in his case.
Mike done bab clock
Listen to you fools. Babcock and Cherry love lol. Give me a break.
I love Grapes. Babcock is a shitty guy. You can be a hard coach and a good guy at the same time. Babcock is just a terrible person.
Spezza didn’t get traded to the leafs he signed as a free agent. Get it together, most of us who watch hockey know more than the people who make a living talking about hockey. Most drunks guys sitting at a bar know more than these guys.
Leafs are doing well, cause Shanahan doesn't tolerate losing ...which is the way yah gotta be, Donster
@Projekt Kobra true enough ...Bruins doing well ...Winterpeg also
@@MapleSyrupPoet Doing well? Lol
@@mrgreekgm754 yes ...appreciate you asking ...swam for a short spell in Lake Cameron today ...try to do this 3 times a week ...you feel different ...more well somehow ...mountain fed lake ...try it out someday :))
@@MapleSyrupPoet Did you take some magic mushrooms up in Lake Cameron?
@@mrgreekgm754 yah ...of course ...they were in the water, and air I breathed ...we get these extras in Canadaville
I stopped watching hockey after Coaches Corner....hockey is woke and soft now.
I guess you need a mean guy to tell spoilt rich kids to work and earn it. He got fired for it because Marner cried and told. Never in my life had I hated a Leaf more then Marner. Kid used to be my fave and I used to think he was captain material. Nope, he just a soft crying snitch.
When the Marner story came out, I lost all respect for this man. He made a 19 year old rookie Mitch Marner cry in front of his teammates. He may know how to win, but he is a awful person.
A 19 year old man who plays professional hockey who cries says more about marner than the coach
Generation of snowflakes
@Projekt Kobra Exactly! One is a pathetic excuse for a man, and the other is an overrated, self-righteous Jerk.
marner cant handle that? no wonder he cant handle playoffs
@Forgiveness or Love Neither could Babcock handle playoffs after Lidstrom retired
@Forgiveness or Love Then can he elevate the team like Barry Trotz when the lineup is under par? If not his "cup" should be attributed to the once great roster of the Wings.
Babcock liked having a team with MEN on them not little Peter Pan boys like the Leafs have. Just wait, when the playoffs start the Leafs will FALL again cuz of the Peter Pan players and management they have.
WRONG
@@urbanpeltier1622 Just watch the Leafs in the playoffs, then will struggle with the WEAK all Canadian division, IF they even get out of that division they will be destroyed playing REAL hockey teams. The Leafs ARE GARBAGE!!!
@@discoveryman59 WRONG
@@urbanpeltier1622 WHAT
They will win the Canadian division, after that, hard to say.
Meanwhile Babcock does not give a rats' ass about the Maple Queefs because they still have to pay him millions even though he was canned.
Only the Maple Queefs could kill an Olympic gold medal and Stanley Cup winning coach.
Oh and one other thing: Torrana will be knocked off in round one just like every other year. 😂
He just took a coaching job this month as a volunteer for 2 years at the university of Saskatchewan. I assume because its volunteer he will still get paid by the Queefs. Sweet deal. Almost 6 mil a year until 2023 lol.
@@bobabooey4537 : He gets paid even if another NHL team hires him.
"Stanley Cup winning coach" only with Lidstrom. DET was 0.500 after Lidstrom retired.
Don, I love you man, but I think Babcock changed his coaching methods and got too big for his britches.
Remember too, he didn't give Justin Holl an opportunity at all. Now, he is a stud of a defenceman.
Anyways, love you.
Take Care
no dude he has always been like that - it was just not under the microscope that it was in Toronto . He picks guys that he either likes or doesn't and if he doesn't he will ruin their careers if he can that is beyond just being a coach . Actually he and Ron Wilson are really an awful lot alike - i remember when i was living in Washington- and Wilson had success early- he was very popular - but he could not handle it when things went bad his ego just went off the wall - so i always said he would be disaster in Toronto - and he was - and Babs is very similar
One dinosaur talking about another...both no longer have a place in today's game.
You could be right about neither having a place because todays game is soft, weak, sensitive and pc.
I do not know if many of the people on here were around when Grapes coached - but - as coaches he and Babs could not be any more different. Cherry was the absolute "players" coach he knew that players play the game and his success was going to be tied to getting his best out of his players- so he was all about encouraging - he definitely had his "type " of players but he bent over backwards to make them the stars and give them the credit . Babs has always approached players as fortunate to be under his brilliance - he no doubt prepares them and can make them better - but their coaching styles are night and day .