Man, imagine the build a bear concept but with discs. You bring your own plastic from your home, select what mold you want, pay a fee and watch your trash turn into a disc. DREAMS! 🙌🏻
Stability is significantly caused by Parting Line Height (PLH), and PLH can vary within the same mold based on the cooling rate of different plastics. A good recent example of this is the Halloween Edition Eclipse 2.0 Insanities from Axiom. The Eclipse 2.0 plastic cools at a different rate compared to Axiom's other plastics, and resulted in a significantly more overstable version of the Insanity. In your case, while I don't know all of the details of the printing vs molding process, I suspect there were sources of a change in cooling rate beyond just the nature of the plastic. I would guess that the temperature levels and timing change significantly between printing and molding.
Wanna hear something that you might not agree with? The inner plastic in MVP overmold discs doesn’t have to do with stability at all since the parting line is really what matters. The reason why those might be so stable is because of the outer mold and the way it cooled after injection
@@wakimura303 I do like hearing things I might not agree with. I'm having trouble reconciling your statement to my own experiences and information I've heard elsewhere. Could you provide any other evidence to back up that the core has no impact on stability?
Mold cooling and stress relaxation can be roughly calculated or estimated, or you can just fiddle with the mold until the final product more closely matches the exact dimensions and flight of the disc you 3D printed. Surface texture and weight can also have some effect on the flights, so I'd say you are more than likely just looking at a trial and error scenario here unfortunately. But if you don't mind the $400 a pop molds while you're perfecting your disc, a few small variations in parting line, rim width, and dome would definitely give you some different flights (like single-digit percentage differences). Good luck! Love my mini and hope I can try this disc out soon.
48 people on this video alone are following your hard work and reciprocating what you're putting down. Make us investors, I'm confident there are plenty of your supporters that could rally for such a game-changing cause. I for one would, seeing your stack of discs on the rack behind you is so surreal, seems like yesterday we were just telling our friends about a disc golfer named TP who wanted to take the lead on recycling. The potential you've forged is electrifying.
this blend blows the galactic stuff from innova out of the water, looks waaaaaay cooler haha. hope the durability is holding up nice :) I'm still building that box of trash discs up to send for a regrind
off-axis torque ("wobble") causes under-stability in discs (and i'm not suggesting there's a ton of wobble in your throw, just that ANY wobble can cause it). for a printed one that is much stiffer, that off-axis torque cannot dissipate as easily as in a more flexible material. A lot of 3d printed discs tend to perform less stable than their molded counterparts because of the inflexibility
I was using my trash panda mini at a tournament recently and someone on my card was also using theirs! It was fun to talk about it and compare mini numbers! I can't contribute much monetarily, but watching, liking, subbing, and sharing I can do. Talking, and showing off your merch...I can do. Thank you for everything! Looking forward to those discs!
Being a Roc/Roc3 guy myself. That Trash Panda Midrange reminded me of my Roc3 a lot. Good glide and a nice finish at the end 👍. Can’t wait for these to become Available!!
Love it, been a fan for a while, very cool to see this next step! Would you ever consider an option of people sending you plastic that you turn into a disc for them?
Thanks for mentioning the difference between 3D print being less stable, and injection moulded being more stable. As the plastic cools after moulding I believe it is common for mass to get pulled higher in the disc, resulting in higher PLH and more stability. We are currently prototyping a mid (in Australia) and are planning to send a more understable shape than we want for tooling, expecting it to stable up out of the mould. Great work!
Your journey has been an absolute delight to watch. I’m so happy to hear you are on the way to getting that expensive mold. This is the kind of world I dreamed of as a kid- people whose primary mission is to make the world sustainable
I work as a Product Development Engineer for a plastic packaging company. I'm curious about your choice of polymer. Where are you sourcing your regrind from? And what is the composition? Are you using straight polyprop? Or are you compounding?
Tbh I’m not a fan of mids with a big fade but the rest of the flight looks amazing. I’d buy it either way though because supporting sustainability in this community is super important. Keep it up man!
Playing around with my prototypes, density and weight definitely play a factor between a 3D printed disc versus injection molded. Not sure if you weighed them both, but compare that as well as your slicer settings on infill/walls to get an idea of how much empty space there really is in a 3D print. Each prototype I printed was sub 150g even at 100% infill and turns more than a beat-in Leopard at 147g despite having a profile that would suggest leaning toward stable. Hit me up sometime and we can talk shop about how different manufacturing processes and cross-sectional designs influence flight!
Have you measured both (rim width, rim height, Parting Line Height, diameter, ...)? If the new one is more overstable it either has a higher PLH or/and a wider rim width. And in case you haven't done that yet, throwing both of them at the same speed, angle and power would be worth doing.
Are these discs going to be PDGA approved? I would LOVE to get them but it would be really disappointing if I couldn't use them in a tournament or something like that.
Quite a risky safari tee on Hole 18 at Expo. Best of luck getting through the speed bumps. I'll go buy another mini at AR. Oh and would love to buy one of those black trash panda hats
So can you do a parting line height comparison between the printed and injection molded version. I suspect that the shrinkage has changed the parting line height. That would be the easy facto to see. Another possibility would be the density of the plastic like you mentioned. The gyro folks over at MVP talk about this a lot because the same over mold with different plastics changes the flight of a disc dramatically. My question is about the impact of your molding process, is it possible that the rim gets a little more, or or less pressure/density at molding time because of the rate of flow of the plastic and it cooling while molding...I guess I am saying cut one in half and let's see if there are voids in the rim or the flight plate ... But throw it first a lot so we know how it flies because we all know that even varying runs of the same mold can fly differently, so the next one might be less stable.
Post Production Profiling of discs are always a curious topic, and how nature approaches each born individual disc is something I like contemplating. Thank you for opening these kind of doors further to the consciousness of your viewers.
My guesses for different flight between 3D and Molded, 1: Shrinkage - 3D printers print layers of plastic that shrink individually while cooling. Molded plastic is one giant layer of plastic that shrinks unilaterally, this means more shrinkage and shape difference overall 2: Elasticity - The 3D printed mold is not as elastic as the molded disc. Centripetal force will have less effect on the shape of the disc during flight
Love this. Can’t wait to see this journey come together after watching for so long. I can’t wait to get my hands on a trash panda full size disc. Side note: What a great color that wall of minis behind you was!! 😂👀❤️
I would think the printed disc would have enough surface "roughness" to make it more understable at high speed than the smooth injection molded disc. Just like a beat in disc would be more understable than a new one.
Awesome can't wait to get my hands on one! Jesse, in your experience how does the recycled plastics you're using handle wear and "beat in"? Having the final disc be slightly more stable, but with the potential to beat in towards that slight turn isn't a bad thing. But does the plastic being used beat in exceptionally fast/slow, does it just get scratched or does it come off in sharp finger-slashing chunks like a DX plastic?
Great question Brad! That'll change as we develop different plastic types, but this prototype beats in somewhere between a baseline and premium plastic disc 👍
Wow! Amazing! Love all the things you do for the sport! Keep up the great work! Those discs look amazing and to be honest so do you! Gained some muscle from all those push downs 😄
So I did notice that (in some of the clips at least) you were releasing on a baby hyzer and it was flipping up to flat so I maybe there's still a smidgen of turn in there. Or you have a faster arm than me lol
When can I get that trash panda sponsorship? It just hit me that you're throwing these at elevation, which is good for me because I'm also up there, but, have you had anyone throw your discs closer to the sea?
Tbh I’m not a fan of mids with a big fade but the rest of the flight looks amazing. I’d buy it either way though because supporting sustainability in this community is super important. Keep it up man!
Man, imagine the build a bear concept but with discs. You bring your own plastic from your home, select what mold you want, pay a fee and watch your trash turn into a disc. DREAMS! 🙌🏻
👏👏👏
Id fly from PA to CO just to do that😊
I have 1 request. The bottom row of minis please put them in ROYGBIV
Stability is significantly caused by Parting Line Height (PLH), and PLH can vary within the same mold based on the cooling rate of different plastics. A good recent example of this is the Halloween Edition Eclipse 2.0 Insanities from Axiom. The Eclipse 2.0 plastic cools at a different rate compared to Axiom's other plastics, and resulted in a significantly more overstable version of the Insanity. In your case, while I don't know all of the details of the printing vs molding process, I suspect there were sources of a change in cooling rate beyond just the nature of the plastic. I would guess that the temperature levels and timing change significantly between printing and molding.
PLH is one thing but there are other factors as well. Really can't attempt to answer the questions without all the measurements.
I was going to say this ⬆️
The 2.0 eclipse makes discs SO stable. My insanities are really just firebirds
Wanna hear something that you might not agree with? The inner plastic in MVP overmold discs doesn’t have to do with stability at all since the parting line is really what matters. The reason why those might be so stable is because of the outer mold and the way it cooled after injection
@@wakimura303 I do like hearing things I might not agree with. I'm having trouble reconciling your statement to my own experiences and information I've heard elsewhere. Could you provide any other evidence to back up that the core has no impact on stability?
Yup really excited to throw some of this while the band is on tour!
Looks beautiful and the flight was equally sweet.
Mold cooling and stress relaxation can be roughly calculated or estimated, or you can just fiddle with the mold until the final product more closely matches the exact dimensions and flight of the disc you 3D printed. Surface texture and weight can also have some effect on the flights, so I'd say you are more than likely just looking at a trial and error scenario here unfortunately. But if you don't mind the $400 a pop molds while you're perfecting your disc, a few small variations in parting line, rim width, and dome would definitely give you some different flights (like single-digit percentage differences). Good luck! Love my mini and hope I can try this disc out soon.
48 people on this video alone are following your hard work and reciprocating what you're putting down. Make us investors, I'm confident there are plenty of your supporters that could rally for such a game-changing cause. I for one would, seeing your stack of discs on the rack behind you is so surreal, seems like yesterday we were just telling our friends about a disc golfer named TP who wanted to take the lead on recycling. The potential you've forged is electrifying.
This means more than I can say Daniel 🙏
this blend blows the galactic stuff from innova out of the water, looks waaaaaay cooler haha. hope the durability is holding up nice :) I'm still building that box of trash discs up to send for a regrind
off-axis torque ("wobble") causes under-stability in discs (and i'm not suggesting there's a ton of wobble in your throw, just that ANY wobble can cause it). for a printed one that is much stiffer, that off-axis torque cannot dissipate as easily as in a more flexible material. A lot of 3d printed discs tend to perform less stable than their molded counterparts because of the inflexibility
Support will continue to be ongoing. Love what you're doing and the way you're doing it.
I was using my trash panda mini at a tournament recently and someone on my card was also using theirs! It was fun to talk about it and compare mini numbers! I can't contribute much monetarily, but watching, liking, subbing, and sharing I can do. Talking, and showing off your merch...I can do. Thank you for everything! Looking forward to those discs!
Absolutely incredible Sam! Thanks a ton 🤘
I want one! I'll be watching for the release when it happens.
Being a Roc/Roc3 guy myself. That Trash Panda Midrange reminded me of my Roc3 a lot. Good glide and a nice finish at the end 👍. Can’t wait for these to become Available!!
Stoked, we need some Trash Panda Discs! This has been an awesome venture to watch, thanks for the content.
I've already got two trash panda minis so I'm definitely buying a putter and mid when you have them ready to sell!
Love it, been a fan for a while, very cool to see this next step! Would you ever consider an option of people sending you plastic that you turn into a disc for them?
One day we hope to make that a possibility!
Thanks for mentioning the difference between 3D print being less stable, and injection moulded being more stable. As the plastic cools after moulding I believe it is common for mass to get pulled higher in the disc, resulting in higher PLH and more stability.
We are currently prototyping a mid (in Australia) and are planning to send a more understable shape than we want for tooling, expecting it to stable up out of the mould.
Great work!
This is easily the biggest, and coolest undertaking from a disc golf creator I've ever seen. So dope. Good luck my man!
lol, saw the flight from your first throw and thought "that looks just like my Emac Truth!"
Your journey has been an absolute delight to watch. I’m so happy to hear you are on the way to getting that expensive mold.
This is the kind of world I dreamed of as a kid- people whose primary mission is to make the world sustainable
I work as a Product Development Engineer for a plastic packaging company. I'm curious about your choice of polymer. Where are you sourcing your regrind from? And what is the composition? Are you using straight polyprop? Or are you compounding?
Congrats. Big news for the disc golf world. Excited to see where you’re heading.
Pretty, looking forward to it.
Tbh I’m not a fan of mids with a big fade but the rest of the flight looks amazing. I’d buy it either way though because supporting sustainability in this community is super important. Keep it up man!
Playing around with my prototypes, density and weight definitely play a factor between a 3D printed disc versus injection molded. Not sure if you weighed them both, but compare that as well as your slicer settings on infill/walls to get an idea of how much empty space there really is in a 3D print. Each prototype I printed was sub 150g even at 100% infill and turns more than a beat-in Leopard at 147g despite having a profile that would suggest leaning toward stable. Hit me up sometime and we can talk shop about how different manufacturing processes and cross-sectional designs influence flight!
Have you measured both (rim width, rim height, Parting Line Height, diameter, ...)?
If the new one is more overstable it either has a higher PLH or/and a wider rim width.
And in case you haven't done that yet, throwing both of them at the same speed, angle and power would be worth doing.
Cant wait to see what you have coming! Glad I got to meet you guys at bailey during the match play event. Your putter felt great!
It was great to meet you too Bradlee!
Are these discs going to be PDGA approved? I would LOVE to get them but it would be really disappointing if I couldn't use them in a tournament or something like that.
Absolutely!!
cant wait to bag a couple of these!
elasticity causes additional glide - the rotation causes the plastic to expand increasing glide and torque resistance.
So hyped to snag a putter and a middy (whenever they’re available that is 🤘🏻)
So hyped to get you one (or many) Ryan!
@@TrashPandaDiscGolf definitely many (maybe too many)
Quite a risky safari tee on Hole 18 at Expo. Best of luck getting through the speed bumps. I'll go buy another mini at AR. Oh and would love to buy one of those black trash panda hats
Sometimes you gotta risk it to get the biscuit 😉 (hats are on the website!)
So can you do a parting line height comparison between the printed and injection molded version. I suspect that the shrinkage has changed the parting line height. That would be the easy facto to see. Another possibility would be the density of the plastic like you mentioned. The gyro folks over at MVP talk about this a lot because the same over mold with different plastics changes the flight of a disc dramatically. My question is about the impact of your molding process, is it possible that the rim gets a little more, or or less pressure/density at molding time because of the rate of flow of the plastic and it cooling while molding...I guess I am saying cut one in half and let's see if there are voids in the rim or the flight plate ... But throw it first a lot so we know how it flies because we all know that even varying runs of the same mold can fly differently, so the next one might be less stable.
Post Production Profiling of discs are always a curious topic, and how nature approaches each born individual disc is something I like contemplating. Thank you for opening these kind of doors further to the consciousness of your viewers.
Thanks for the continued support @infinimetrical 🤘
@@TrashPandaDiscGolf No problemo!
My guesses for different flight between 3D and Molded,
1: Shrinkage - 3D printers print layers of plastic that shrink individually while cooling. Molded plastic is one giant layer of plastic that shrinks unilaterally, this means more shrinkage and shape difference overall
2: Elasticity - The 3D printed mold is not as elastic as the molded disc. Centripetal force will have less effect on the shape of the disc during flight
So excited about this!!
Let’s go! So excited to see what more is to come!
Love this. Can’t wait to see this journey come together after watching for so long. I can’t wait to get my hands on a trash panda full size disc. Side note: What a great color that wall of minis behind you was!! 😂👀❤️
Awesome dude, Keep killing it!
So excited to see this! Is something like Shark Tank and option for funding?
So pumped for you man! The disc looks great, can't to see the next stages of development!!
I would think the printed disc would have enough surface "roughness" to make it more understable at high speed than the smooth injection molded disc. Just like a beat in disc would be more understable than a new one.
Does the softer plastic disc flatten out more when it spins because of centrifugal force ?
Heck ya awesome news. Keep it up
We need something between a drone and malta!
Awesome can't wait to get my hands on one! Jesse, in your experience how does the recycled plastics you're using handle wear and "beat in"? Having the final disc be slightly more stable, but with the potential to beat in towards that slight turn isn't a bad thing. But does the plastic being used beat in exceptionally fast/slow, does it just get scratched or does it come off in sharp finger-slashing chunks like a DX plastic?
Great question Brad! That'll change as we develop different plastic types, but this prototype beats in somewhere between a baseline and premium plastic disc 👍
Wow! Amazing! Love all the things you do for the sport! Keep up the great work! Those discs look amazing and to be honest so do you! Gained some muscle from all those push downs 😄
So I did notice that (in some of the clips at least) you were releasing on a baby hyzer and it was flipping up to flat so I maybe there's still a smidgen of turn in there. Or you have a faster arm than me lol
Definitely wouldn't be surprised at a bit of user error 😅
Shrink moves the parting line?
cant wait to see whats coming! love what youre doing, keep it up!
You should do what loft discs did and create a go fund me to buy molds!
That’s a funny place to keep a speaker
Congrats🎉
Maybe you can do a recycle rubber tire blend?!?!?
"That's enough B-Roll"... Immediately cuts to more B-Roll 🤣
Another great video!
What you just got a jomez pro practice round shout-out!!!
When the discs are available will they be PDGA approved? because I’d love to throw one in a tournament.
Absolutely!
PS, what was the weight of the disc you threw? I’d buy that mid in a heartbeat
Thanks Bryce! It's sitting right around max weight at 176 - 178 grams 👌
It just hit me... Jesse is the Mark Rober of disc golf TH-cam
🥲
Great work jesse!
$40,000 mold?! Holy heck that's a lot of disc sales.
Is getting the discs PDGA approved part of your plans?
Absolutely!
When can I get that trash panda sponsorship? It just hit me that you're throwing these at elevation, which is good for me because I'm also up there, but, have you had anyone throw your discs closer to the sea?
Great question! Our putters, yes. But not these ones quite yet..
nice robbie C shirt
Any hints for the names of the discs???
No hints, but open to suggestions 😉
To help with the money thing have you though of doing a kickstarter?!
It's a possibility!
Should make a lego putter and, do a 6 hole round seeing what makes a better disc
Love it! Jesse, HMU if you wanna play sometime. My home course is Bird’s Nest, but I’m down for whatever!
I would love to be able to recycle discs that I no longer use or pond discs that are too gummy to throw. Anyone know of any disc recyclers?
Us too! We're hoping to offer a disc recycling program one day 👍
HUGE
What are the weights of each disc?
176-178 grams on these protos 👍
Maybe one day sponsorships?
Looks like I might have to shelve my shark
I think the plastic is the reason they fly differently
Not even gonna finish the video.. wheres the link to buy it, gimme gimme gimme.
That is so fugly disk that I want one
Music was way too loud for how quiet you talked in the intro. My poor speakers
music sure is loud . . .
Need a mold? I got a moldy bit of bread in my cuppard you can have for free
Reverse Dome of a Disc. Thank me later
Fix your audio!
Tbh I’m not a fan of mids with a big fade but the rest of the flight looks amazing. I’d buy it either way though because supporting sustainability in this community is super important. Keep it up man!