I've always said it. They claim that "no, because toxicity..."; "if they behave like that in chat, imagine in voice chat"... And 1st, that's easily avoidable. You can still mute whoever is being toxic. But 2nd and most important, I'm pretty confident that it would be actually harder for most people to be toxic in voice chat. The anonymity is bigger in text than it's in voice. They would feel more exposed and that's why I think voice chat would be much less toxic than text chat. (I hope my English is clear 😅)
I feel like as long as you sound like a man this is true, but if you have a feminine voice everything gets worse (coming from experience of having a rather androgynous voice, in games with voice chat 75% of matches devolve into my team telling me to perform sexual favours, or to go back to the kitchen, no matter how well I'm playing). I agree the anonymity makes the toxic people bolder, but it also means there's nothing to 'pick on' (accent - race, pitch - gender, perceived intelligence etc)
These games are so fun it actually made me love League of Legends again. There are SO many things that would never be possible without comms. Be sure to watch the WHOLE video and let me know in the replies if you think they should put comms in League of Legends
this exists in dota 2, but most people have premuted everyone and dont want it. Its easier to talk bad and they cant verify abuse with voice. maybe in High Elo Diamond or more it could be viable i guess.
This stuff is absolutely fantastic, yes more of this. To your point at the start, though: yeah, communication is absolutely key in a team-play game. The only problem is when you get people who think they're the next Faker in voice coms. You can have hundreds of good (even great) games with people, but human nature is gonna make you remember that one ass-hat that one time and keep you out of voice forever because of them. I have zero clue on how to deal with that.
You remember how league had in-built voice comms, right? It's actually still built-in I think. But no one uses it and you can guess how people would be if they did use it.
@@i0kiVidsremember there used to be a plug-in where everybody would automatically join a voice comm. That thing was awesome. Then rito banned it because who knows why.
Yeah, honestly having coms makes everyone less stressed cause you ain't gotta argue through pings, or trying to type mid game or anything like that. I joined a random discord once with a 4 man group, and they were all so relaxed and didn't care if we won or lost, we played for like 4 hours together, great group and they made me enjoy the game again.
@@i0kiVids Some of my best memories playing games were in casual 5 man norms with skype or disc. Why wouldn't valorant comms be just as toxic I don't understand??? That answer never made sense to me
i joined a discord with this random riven i played with, we were the only ones that were in the call but we were the most coordinated and we ended up winning the game because i played around her as a support
Having voice comms isn't bad ...but if u watch azzap's video talking to the EU jg u will realize that not everyone is going to be nice and not everyone is going to want to win and the toxic will easily outweigh the wholesome the majority of the time as in Valorant
There will always be losers, but I truly believe that much of the frustration in League comes from lack of communication + staying on the same page. Have you ever seen your jungler make an idiotic play and just be like "WHAT IS MY JUNGLER DOING?!" well I promise you he's saying the same about you.
Its a sad state of affairs when game companies themselves have become so toxic that they ban people for speaking... This is not just Riot doing. And I've seen this type work around happening more and more in various game (specially WoW, which I just had to stop playing because of blizzards antics).
It's not necessarily League or Riot but the newer player base for the last few years + treating the game like its call of duty throwing any and all team work out the window
playing league in a full stack is great i wish i got to do it more often i used to play r6 siege a lot and i want to get back into it but its just so miserable soloq because talking is SOOOOO important in that game, and most of the players pretend they dont have a microphone it sucks. league soloq is at least tolerable cause you at least have the minimap to give you information from your teammates
But this is biased. Those who already formed a discord call likely have some sort of rapport and coordination. Perhaps even a type of social behavior expected in typical public analog settings. They further shared this through league’s in-game client messaging UI. This act in and of itself imparts a social contract of goodwill and intent to be participative. People who do these things are not often doing so to be disruptive or “troll.” Opening every match and every player to ALL COMMs is not inherently going to produce a similar effect. In a research setting, you could have an experiment (A) with 100 premade discord groups (5 members) compared to 100 random league groups. You could then have another experiment (B) with partially premade discord groups (1-5 members) and share the link in-game. Then compare all results.
yea comms is broken in games, when i played Apex Legends, since I have no gaming buddies I always solo queued, and nobody talks or has comms when randomly matched, but when people were triple stacked they were calling shots and positions, its like a third sense that solo players don't get, its like cheating. The games need to either make solo play as an option, or they have to include comms mandatorily into their games to make it even, otherwise stocked teams are basically cheating. How does a "Rank" measure your ability to play a game, when worse players can team up and outplay better players because of comms, that not an accurate measure of individual ability within the game.
Had a bad surgery 2 years ago to fix some breathing issues and it caused all kinds of new ones. I have constant blockage, nasal collapse, and symptoms of ENS where I can't really detect air coming in as well as I should be able to.
@i0kiVids Isn't the point of soloq about individualism, and each person being responsible for carrying? Flex is where you have comms and can work together with the other four people you've queued with? From what I've gathered, soloq climbing is supposed to be an art, an expression of skill and dedication in and of itself. These are genuine questions, not rhetorical. I'm relatively new to the game, having only started playing at the start of split 2 of season 13. I haven't been able to break out of Bronze. Everytime I am a game away from silver 4, I get put into a series of games with silver 3 and 4 players on bad loss streaks, and it feels like no matter how well I play, our top/mid gets absolutely destroyed, and there is nothing I can do being 2-4 levels behind the enemy top/mid. I always decline surrenders, but so many games I get out-voted at the 15min mark, or the next vote after that. Sooo. . . I haven't figured out the secret to soloq myself.
@@iratevagabond204 Communication and shotcalling and ability to work as a team is still an individual skill that carries from game to game, even though you're getting new teammates every game. Think of all the plays that work in soloQ ONLY because the enemy team can't properly communicate against it -- imagine how many 1000 LP Challenger Katarinas fall out of Masters if they can't just roam bot because the enemy midlaner just says "Hey guys, do NOT fight bot right now Katarina will be there in 10 seconds" And then think about how many plays ONLY work with communication. It would do wonders for legitimizing and deflating the ladder.
there are a lot of VERY mentally unwell people that play league, I dont want to EVER hear the shit people say, I have chat box eliminated in and post game (just scaled to zero, impossible for me to see any chats) and I still have to deal with the pre game chat sometimes. People just think its cool or funny to be extremely racist, sexist, hateful in general... boils my blood. I would be interested in seeing a study done...to see if comms would reduce hateful commentary, especially when there are girls/women voices or obviously black sounding voices in the comms. Guys are fucking gross disrespectful pieces of shit when given the chance to prey on an easy victim. I have heard a lot of comms from other games, and Id NEVER want to be a part of that crap. Id love to have good communication over voice comms, but i'm not sure how it would be possible, we live in an abuse culture. I think it would be interesting to see lower ELO comms, where people are arguing or disagreeing, or flaming, all the guys in i0ki's comms here are really chill. That is not the case with everyone, which is why I got rid of my text chat in game, it results in MUCH more calm games for ME, and thats what I care about most. not having League become a hateful addition in my life when I'm just trying to enjoy a fun strategy game and improve my skills.
@@i0kiVids well ever since your failed senna climb not by yourself might i added no one is watching your shit. and then you raged quit like a baby and the senna mains saw that too. you lost a ton of respect for others like your shit is horrible to watch now like i dont know why you were on my front page i unsbubbed from all your content after that day of you being a bitch on stream but keep doing you.
@@i0kiVids yo dude i didnt know who you were the whoooooole time. But i know you from tiktok clips. After these games i subbed on everyplatform thx for games bro
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Ngl Ioki, you starting to look like old Hiccup from How to train your dragon 3.
BRO
wait I just looked it up he kinda handsome tho I'll take it
@@i0kiVids Like a wise man ones said:
You could smoke a cigar under the shower with that shnose.
Now that you mention it, he does doesn't he. 😄
great, now it stuck in my head :))
I would definitely watch more games of this type , great job👍
19:38 “Spit him out! Spit him out!”😂😂😂😂
The root onto the minions and Syndra shoving it to root both of them is just genius 19:44
These players were honestly quite good
That was fun and more polite than I'd expect
I've always said it. They claim that "no, because toxicity..."; "if they behave like that in chat, imagine in voice chat"...
And 1st, that's easily avoidable. You can still mute whoever is being toxic.
But 2nd and most important, I'm pretty confident that it would be actually harder for most people to be toxic in voice chat. The anonymity is bigger in text than it's in voice.
They would feel more exposed and that's why I think voice chat would be much less toxic than text chat.
(I hope my English is clear 😅)
The claims they make about trying to reduce toxicity are complete BS. They deliberately design toxic champions and make very toxic voice lines.
@@alexeizaraiovNot to mention they don't weed out toxic players because they are potential buyers.
I feel like as long as you sound like a man this is true, but if you have a feminine voice everything gets worse (coming from experience of having a rather androgynous voice, in games with voice chat 75% of matches devolve into my team telling me to perform sexual favours, or to go back to the kitchen, no matter how well I'm playing). I agree the anonymity makes the toxic people bolder, but it also means there's nothing to 'pick on' (accent - race, pitch - gender, perceived intelligence etc)
You obviously never played the golden age of call of duty...
These games are so fun it actually made me love League of Legends again. There are SO many things that would never be possible without comms. Be sure to watch the WHOLE video and let me know in the replies if you think they should put comms in League of Legends
this exists in dota 2, but most people have premuted everyone and dont want it. Its easier to talk bad and they cant verify abuse with voice. maybe in High Elo Diamond or more it could be viable i guess.
missed the chance of placing a walkie talkie in Senna's hand in the thumbnail 😂
19:45 that Sandra minion push was so clean
This stuff is absolutely fantastic, yes more of this.
To your point at the start, though: yeah, communication is absolutely key in a team-play game. The only problem is when you get people who think they're the next Faker in voice coms. You can have hundreds of good (even great) games with people, but human nature is gonna make you remember that one ass-hat that one time and keep you out of voice forever because of them. I have zero clue on how to deal with that.
5 stack vc games are great, it's what makes streamer tournies so fun to watch as well. i wish more were hosted and same with clash tournies.
I started playing Pyke today because of you
You're welcome, and I'm also sorry for the tilt you've got coming up.
the 3 purple item powerspike on the pyke, you love to see it
Playing with a full team in voice is a whole different game
You remember how league had in-built voice comms, right? It's actually still built-in I think. But no one uses it and you can guess how people would be if they did use it.
That only works if you're in the party, so you can NEVER communicate with soloQ players unless you join a discord
@@i0kiVidsremember there used to be a plug-in where everybody would automatically join a voice comm. That thing was awesome. Then rito banned it because who knows why.
@@vmlinuxz Yep you're thinking of Curse Voice. They banned it because it made them look bad.
there is/was a video of some (alleged) riot dev saying something along the lines of: "voice chat makes league too toxic, pings are more than enough" 😂
Yeah, honestly having coms makes everyone less stressed cause you ain't gotta argue through pings, or trying to type mid game or anything like that. I joined a random discord once with a 4 man group, and they were all so relaxed and didn't care if we won or lost, we played for like 4 hours together, great group and they made me enjoy the game again.
Love your Vids!
i stopped playing solo/duo like 4 years ago for this specific reason, only full 5 man lobbys or nothing
Yeah, this was a blast to watch!
voice comms would revive this game i cant bring myself to play soloq anymore with all the miscommunication and flaming
It's insane that we don't have it yet. It literally makes the game 10x more enjoyable
@@i0kiVids Some of my best memories playing games were in casual 5 man norms with skype or disc. Why wouldn't valorant comms be just as toxic I don't understand??? That answer never made sense to me
i joined a discord with this random riven i played with, we were the only ones that were in the call but we were the most coordinated and we ended up winning the game because i played around her as a support
Its a completely different game when your teammates are friendly. Massive world of differnece
Ioki I love your content. You're great man... but why do you talk into a Magic Wand?
A WHAT?!
Hahahaha! 🤣🤣🤣 why would u say that dude!
Having voice comms isn't bad ...but if u watch azzap's video talking to the EU jg u will realize that not everyone is going to be nice and not everyone is going to want to win and the toxic will easily outweigh the wholesome the majority of the time as in Valorant
There will always be losers, but I truly believe that much of the frustration in League comes from lack of communication + staying on the same page. Have you ever seen your jungler make an idiotic play and just be like "WHAT IS MY JUNGLER DOING?!" well I promise you he's saying the same about you.
I agree with you so much and why does valorant have coms but not league there both made by Riot?
I don't know. Great question.
Babe new i0ki video just dropped
Me seeing an ioki as pyke at beginning of the second game: immediately feels bad for the other team
Ohhh dear 🤣🤣
Recall feathers.. naaa. . . !?!? What!?!
Justin would be a way better adc
Its a sad state of affairs when game companies themselves have become so toxic that they ban people for speaking... This is not just Riot doing. And I've seen this type work around happening more and more in various game (specially WoW, which I just had to stop playing because of blizzards antics).
It's not necessarily League or Riot but the newer player base for the last few years + treating the game like its call of duty throwing any and all team work out the window
A FROG???????!! NO!, Catfish!!
Start a petition to add comms to League.
we really need voice chat, everyone who says itll be toxic, i think youre wrong, i bet theyre keyboard warriors, and would get humbled in comms
"we had 5 people on coms it was so fun"
The rest of FFS: Am I a joke to you?
playing league in a full stack is great i wish i got to do it more often
i used to play r6 siege a lot and i want to get back into it but its just so miserable soloq because talking is SOOOOO important in that game, and most of the players pretend they dont have a microphone it sucks. league soloq is at least tolerable cause you at least have the minimap to give you information from your teammates
Don’t know if the enemy was on comms, but I know for sure you would have lost this game without them
The enemy team in the second game 100% was on comms as we swapped to FlexQ
3:15 😂😂
But this is biased. Those who already formed a discord call likely have some sort of rapport and coordination. Perhaps even a type of social behavior expected in typical public analog settings.
They further shared this through league’s in-game client messaging UI. This act in and of itself imparts a social contract of goodwill and intent to be participative.
People who do these things are not often doing so to be disruptive or “troll.”
Opening every match and every player to ALL COMMs is not inherently going to produce a similar effect.
In a research setting, you could have an experiment (A) with 100 premade discord groups (5 members) compared to 100 random league groups.
You could then have another experiment (B) with partially premade discord groups (1-5 members) and share the link in-game.
Then compare all results.
Not using E for the chase at minute 4 made the difference.
Thay ain’t no frog, that is a catfish!.. nice content tho,
22:20, beautiful flash root
The ADC was honestly very good.
the strong greek accent of them hahah
i want you to play thresh again and i am not taking 'no" for an answer.
love you
His hooks are always 😙👌 especially the predicts
Love that it works on NA but that is not gonna work in EU
Cookielol in lobby NOOOOO (this is a joke fellas) 3:25
HELL YEAH!
not the syndra on 18:08 hahhahah
yea comms is broken in games, when i played Apex Legends, since I have no gaming buddies I always solo queued, and nobody talks or has comms when randomly matched, but when people were triple stacked they were calling shots and positions, its like a third sense that solo players don't get, its like cheating. The games need to either make solo play as an option, or they have to include comms mandatorily into their games to make it even, otherwise stocked teams are basically cheating. How does a "Rank" measure your ability to play a game, when worse players can team up and outplay better players because of comms, that not an accurate measure of individual ability within the game.
what happned with your nose? im sure you have had the question a million times but...
Had a bad surgery 2 years ago to fix some breathing issues and it caused all kinds of new ones. I have constant blockage, nasal collapse, and symptoms of ENS where I can't really detect air coming in as well as I should be able to.
@@i0kiVids mate that sounds savage! I really hope this fixes it for you, blocked nose is the absolute worst thing ever let alone that bad.
Peak random team play.
Please clean your camera lens or open the windows, looks like you are in the steam sauna 😁
i havent watch ur videos i a while... what happened to ur nose?
What happened to your nose my man?
A lot of people have terrible mics and/or a crap ton of background noise in their houses. Some people are incredibly annoying as well.
Sooo you mute them? We should have the tools to play the game the way it's meant to be played.
@i0kiVids Isn't the point of soloq about individualism, and each person being responsible for carrying? Flex is where you have comms and can work together with the other four people you've queued with? From what I've gathered, soloq climbing is supposed to be an art, an expression of skill and dedication in and of itself.
These are genuine questions, not rhetorical. I'm relatively new to the game, having only started playing at the start of split 2 of season 13.
I haven't been able to break out of Bronze. Everytime I am a game away from silver 4, I get put into a series of games with silver 3 and 4 players on bad loss streaks, and it feels like no matter how well I play, our top/mid gets absolutely destroyed, and there is nothing I can do being 2-4 levels behind the enemy top/mid. I always decline surrenders, but so many games I get out-voted at the 15min mark, or the next vote after that.
Sooo. . . I haven't figured out the secret to soloq myself.
@@iratevagabond204 Communication and shotcalling and ability to work as a team is still an individual skill that carries from game to game, even though you're getting new teammates every game. Think of all the plays that work in soloQ ONLY because the enemy team can't properly communicate against it -- imagine how many 1000 LP Challenger Katarinas fall out of Masters if they can't just roam bot because the enemy midlaner just says "Hey guys, do NOT fight bot right now Katarina will be there in 10 seconds"
And then think about how many plays ONLY work with communication. It would do wonders for legitimizing and deflating the ladder.
while i liked this video, it's a game with voice chat through discord that made me quit definitively.
Can I hear some more details? Sorry you had a bad experience, there's a lot of bad apples out there.
there are a lot of VERY mentally unwell people that play league, I dont want to EVER hear the shit people say, I have chat box eliminated in and post game (just scaled to zero, impossible for me to see any chats) and I still have to deal with the pre game chat sometimes. People just think its cool or funny to be extremely racist, sexist, hateful in general... boils my blood.
I would be interested in seeing a study done...to see if comms would reduce hateful commentary, especially when there are girls/women voices or obviously black sounding voices in the comms. Guys are fucking gross disrespectful pieces of shit when given the chance to prey on an easy victim. I have heard a lot of comms from other games, and Id NEVER want to be a part of that crap.
Id love to have good communication over voice comms, but i'm not sure how it would be possible, we live in an abuse culture.
I think it would be interesting to see lower ELO comms, where people are arguing or disagreeing, or flaming, all the guys in i0ki's comms here are really chill. That is not the case with everyone, which is why I got rid of my text chat in game, it results in MUCH more calm games for ME, and thats what I care about most. not having League become a hateful addition in my life when I'm just trying to enjoy a fun strategy game and improve my skills.
People play this game SoloQ?
Unfortunately that's how Riot forces us to play the game. We get to bring ONE (1) friend maximum until high ELO and then we don't even get that :/
yeah , because I need to listen to some needy guy trolling
no
What?
@@i0kiVids about voice coms in lol , my experience with voice in other games isn't so good.
second like :)
Ioki fell off hard.
How so
@@i0kiVids well ever since your failed senna climb not by yourself might i added no one is watching your shit. and then you raged quit like a baby and the senna mains saw that too. you lost a ton of respect for others like your shit is horrible to watch now like i dont know why you were on my front page i unsbubbed from all your content after that day of you being a bitch on stream
but keep doing you.
Hey thats me haha :D (sidak2005)
me silent carry
Beast
@@i0kiVids yo dude i didnt know who you were the whoooooole time. But i know you from tiktok clips. After these games i subbed on everyplatform thx for games bro