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- Commercial Logging isn't done this way anymore but for small scale logging, it's proper and effective. Watch this EC2 podcast • All About Logging ECP 29 about the basics of the logging industry.
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My dad has been logging for more than 35 years. I worked with him for a few years doing chainsaw and skidder select cut logging. A favorite saying of his goes “there are old timber cutters, and there are bold timber cutters. But there aren’t any that are both.”
What my dad had to say about Cat Logging was, When the Cat Skinner says get out of the way it doesn't mean, take a couple steps back...it means turn around and _scramble_ until you're out of reach of anything that might be pushed over on you, or snap and cut you in two.
My dad and grandfather owned almost the same dozer-a TD-14. A little smaller and older, 1950s vintage. Cy reminds me some of my grandfather, and he and my dad warned me just as seriously about being near a working dozer. As the soft little human, it was your job to stay out of the way of the big heavy iron and anything attached to it. Most of the time the dozer driver just couldn't see or hear you.
Wow
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"Constant vigilance is the price of survival." 🤘
Man those are some nice Oak logs. Can't wait to see them quarter sawn.
And the smell too ❤🌲
Lets see if they are actually quartersawn or flat sawn and you get a few quarters out of them ;)
@@tanja8907 Worked in a sawmill where I smelled that smell all day. They were fresh cut, so oak water would just pour out of them as well often enough.
It smelled great, but very staining on your clothes when it got on them.
Stacking 5/4, wet, up to 18" wide red oak lumber all day is definitely physical work.
I've seen the ends of logs painted like this before and didn't have a clue as to why. I've learnt a ridiculous amount from your channel, keep it coming
Paint helps even drying to prevent cracks I believe.
Paint helps even drying to prevent cracks I believe.
A bit late, but this particular stuff, Anchorseal, is a fluid applied wax. Dries clear, prevents the rapid drying through endgrain. You want slow drying, typically a year per inch of thickness
This was a great way to start my Saturday, a great way for all of us that appreciate a job well done, attention to detail and safety, all dictated by common sense & logic. It brought back memories of the feelings of satisfaction when watching "This Old House" back in the day...
Have A Great Weekend, Everybody!!!
I have operated a dozer enough to see that Cy knows his stuff! As with all things done well it’s a lot harder than it looks!
Machines over horses and mules, axes and hand saws over chainsaws.
I get a real appreciation for how things were done before mechanization and that certainly holds true in the logging industry.
Thanks for letting me look over her shoulder.
I am so glad that you decided to do TH-cam one day, I can (and have) watch any video you put out
Keep up the good work, you are a massive motivation to a 33 year old from UK 🇬🇧
And for a 44 year old from the UK as well!
Cy is incredible for his age , I'd like him working at my place for a couple of days , but sadly its a bit far to travel to Tasmania.
Mmm, probably, but I have a feeling Cy would think about it for at least a minute or two.
Yep that’s a little jaunt!
As soon as blackberries were mentioned I immediately thought of James Fenton who introduced them to Tasmania by planting some at his property at Forth!
I strive to be as knowledgeable as the old timers. Thank you for passing down the torch!
Watching this brings up all the tears. Remembering times when my dad was healthy, and we worked together on a project or when I travelled to the states for the first time and stayed with my uncle on his ranch who passed away many years ago. Realizing how much I am missing out on life when I am constantly trying to survive in the megacities without being able to touch a tree or sometimes see the sky from all the surrounding buildings. I guess the time has come to find a good place to live in the states and cut off ties with this godforsaken place I'm in.
Thank you and CY for your time it took to make this video! I’m saving up for a Cy made skinner and am always grateful when I get to see him work. Thank you for all you guys do!
JW I bought one a few years ago. Worth every penny.
FYI….AVE guy has a Cy Swan custom…..
Love seeing any video of you and Cy working together or even just in conversation with each other.
Another great video! Looking forward to the sawmill vid (and more spec house of course!)
Sawyer....ohhhhhhh, learned a new word! And that tip about avoiding the dirt being pulled through with the chain, and the bridle and swede uses are great!
Sawyer like Tom Sawyer. Same with Baker, Smith, Cooper, Miller, etc.
plus Fisher/Fishman, Cartwright/Carter, Butcher/Blood/Bones. interestingly occupational surnames don't occur for farmers, because their names would often refer to where they were from or what land they worked and/or owned.
Growing up without a dad, and a grandfather always in poor health, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your videos. You’re the kind of man anybody would want teaching them stuff growing up, and thanks to TH-cam, I can have those experiences, albeit 30 years late.
I’ve learned so much from your channel, please keep up the good work as you say.
It’s great you always give credit to all the people you meet along the way.
"Forged about 12 years ago Cy?"
Cy: Probly
Thank you Scott and Cy for sharing your knowledge and experience with those that still appreciate it!
Being like Cy at his age is what every man should hope for when they reach that age.
Well said
Sir, I appreciate your videos! They have helped me through so many projects, and they have heled me keep things a little simpler at times. I tend to make things more complicated than they need to be. With that being said, I am starting my own adventure of using an Alaskan Chainsaw mill to make lumber to build a tiny home/cabin. I have been trying to figure out how to make a pair of tongs to help with moving the logs, and I have to say those forged tongs of yours have made me realize that my version is way to complicated. Thank you again Sir for taking the time to make these videos to teach us younger folk.
Nice work. We had a good friend of the family who built/ran a mill for 60 years, 52'' circular saw belt driven from big old cat out of a 1940s cable shovel. He was still running the Case construction King into his early 90s. Cy reminds me of him and how we miss him. Hard work makes you tough and gives you something to live for. 044 is a fantastic saw I have a very nice one in my collection.
This has to be one of your best this year. I can't wait to see the mill!
Weather looks perfect
I don’t log, never known anyone that has. When I was a young man, I was infatuated with the “Westside lumber company railroad!” I came to understand and respect the skill, and extreme hard work a person must do to properly produce lumber for a living. I must say, watching this video was extremely entertaining, I gleaned knowledge from it, and found it strangely relaxing watching two very skilled craftsmen working the Forrest! Looking forward to watching your other videos.
Is there anything this man doesn’t know how to do correctly? Excellent!
He's a wealth of knowledge not to mention his way with words that keeps the viewer like me keep coming back for coming for more.
You would have to ask his wife, I guess…
Yeah, wear PPE
I'm jealous of the work you guys get to do . You and Cy are just too cool with all the stuff you guys can do . Very cool!
I’m not sure when Anchor Seal first came out, but I’ve been using it since the early 1980s. Any log that came through our hardwood mill and I intended to keep for my own stock of boards got a good coating of this stuff before being put back on my reserve pile. It’s always worked as intended, although I learned to pile any oak I cut in a place where it was mostly in the shade. Seemed like when the sun beat down on sealed oak, it still had a tendency to end check.
Another great video, Scott!
Cheers!
Whipple
I've never seen a better old man to give some limelight to than Cy. By old I mean that as a compliment. I love his personality.
The the videos and the knowledge you share! Cy is amazing and I would love to sit and listen to his stories and past for hours.
Lol, Scott just stabbing a 3-foot bar through the center of a 2.5-foot log, when I just got hack from trying out my new Ryobi 18-volt 12-inch cordless baby saw. It seems to be the bee's knees for my use case, (fighting back the new saplings every spring on my small lot, bucking the smaller things my brother cuts with his collection of gas saws) -- cuts through a log of the same thickness relative to bar length, it went through a 10"-diameter hunk of oak no problem, and a lot of bucking down 2-3"-diameter windfall to firepit length, and felling a 4" live tree (one of the aforementioned sprouts), and the battery still shows full.
So good to see you and Cy! I always love to see what you are doing!
Love my Saturday mornings watching new episodes. Great motivation to get out and get work done and tackle projects that seem overwhelming before starting.
Cy is pretty much the coolest dude around. I'm so glad his knowledge is being preserved in these videos.
Boy does that bring back memories. There's lots of tricks you can use to move a log by putting the choker in the right place.
Excellent explanation of the mechanics of pulling that log!
Great to see you and Cy working outdoors.
its a pleasure to watch pros do a job very well
Best investment was my portable bandsawmill. Made in Washington by a family owned company Sequiamills. Have milled about 30,000 BF since I got it 4 months ago. A lot of urban salvage logs and one amazing 40in wide red oak tree. Smallest branch was 18in wide.
This man is a national treasure for all the things to be learned from him, like youtubes wise tradesman neighbor teaching you 10 lessons in one day everydat
I am so glad you talked about pushing and pulling dirt I have been smoking my chains on dirty logs
4:50 Gesundheit (to the fellow off camera).
I'm in sub-tropical Australia, we are infested with Lantana here, imported from South America because the flowers looked nice in gardens. Thanks guys 😁
As someone who runs a portable sawmill business it would be a pleasure to cut logs for you, not very many people take the care and consideration to prepare a nice site for the mill like that and clean/cut the dirt off the logs before the mill arrives on site.
Wow you are a wealth of knowledge! I would have never even thought of idea of pulling in or pushing out the dirt when cutting with a chain saw ( yet it is so simple once it is pointed out to you). We are probably in the same demographic and I only have an engineering degree and am amazed by how well you teach us all new stuff!
Great trick keeping the chain sharp!
That is a very helpful way to cut logs with dirt in the bark, thanks 👍
That was pretty cool, how he got put on the spot by cy, and off the cuff came up with a very interesting, well worded little story about the tongs.
Great episode! I love this sort of content about the logging, and the history thereof. Excited to see how you make out with the mill!
I have been in the rigging industry for about 32 years and I have learned a couple of new nicknames.
A Logging Ferrule, Button and now nubbin.
And the double choking technique the Swed.
Thank you for posting the great information on running and safely handling chainsaws. I had bought my first saw and that was helpful
I wish this guy was my grandpa. Amazing. A well of knowledge.
Your videos are poetry Scott, thank you!
Horsing around a saw of that size is exhausting. Good work Scott, I hope your back didn’t scream at you later that night.
Tremendous tutorial! I am a boat builder and this is great advise. Thank you!
This man knows every logging, woodworking.... terms under the sky! Extensive vocabulary
Nothing better on a job than an old Cat hand, calm efficiency.
I grew up in Southwest Washington and I can 100 hundred percent agree with Scott... blackberries are the bane of existence in the northwest! Although those yummy blackberry pies in August DO help a tiny bit!
Thanks for sharing EC.
That looks like a lovely place to work in that weather. Remember as a kid seeing the controls of a dozer like that, as a proficient young (age 10+) operator of a backhoe I was mesmerized. Great work Men.
Have to say, I have only used just plain old white paint on log ends with good results. Maybe better with the real thing?
Was at my buddy's sawmill today. He cut up some 2X Red Fir for a ladder I have been asked to build. Fun to watch that man run that old reliable Wood Mizer. He is a master at that machine, taught by his father, and his grandfather before him.
Love, love, love this channel!
Super video, Scott - and Great to see Cy (The Old Master) again! Best to you both and all of yours.
Hope your sawmill has a debarker. My Wood-Mizer that I recently sold had one. Takes care of your blade when you’re sawing dirty logs. One of those cordless paint sprayers is just the ticket for sealcoating logs. Great tips on choker use. And those old TD15 dozers are nice old units. My homeboy has one and it’s the real deal. Resale value is surprisingly high for a non-mainline brand.
Every carpenter should have first-hand knowledge of where lumber comes from. My years of 'swamping' and chokersetting behind Harold Lewis, a WW2 'SeaBee", in the early '70's has served me well. Making 'split-stuff' ,shooting stumps, running a variety of 'low tech' equipment as well as pulling riggin' on the Skagit BU-98 , as I did, is not just the process of making lumber, it is the history and ethos of The Pacific Northwest.
I hope I have as much energy as you guys . When I make it to ur age . Keep up the great work.
Love this channel. Learned a lot from it.
It would be amazing to see an Essential Craftman episode of bandsaw milling!
Man that ancient wisdom about not pulling the dirt into the cut took me years to figure out, to this day I cut dirty wood and keep on going!
A Great Saying from your dad, You got to fast to last. Nice chainsaw work
I don’t need to use a Swede’ or a bridal in my day to day life but boy when I do cross that task that’s going to be one gold nugget of knowledge. Thanks for sharing
Love the logging videos Scott ! Grow up around logging back here in Pennsylvania ! Miss the days of going to woods ! Most of my family has worked in woods ! Thanks for the video Scott !
currently using all the dead Ash trees in my sugarbush to build a two story 30x60 shop/garage
I have about 70 logs skidded out, using my kubota tractor and a farmi winch, and sawing all the lumber on a woodmizer lt35.
A good day worth having!!!!
Goats would be about the only non herbicidal approach to get rid of the blackberries. Let goats roam over the whole state, LOL.
My Portland Oregon Nana got a goat to eat the blackberries on her property. Ate the grass and weeds to dirt and wouldn't touch the blackberries😂
@@jennicasalyards6277 Lol they like blackberries, but I doubt they prefer them.
@@jennicasalyards6277 Hold on let me go out there and pick the blackberries!
Really enjoyed watching this one.
Many thanks.
David in the U.K
Great job buddy absolutely love it. Awesome job cannot wait to see them cut. Wish I had my Woodmizer LT 50 up there to help cut I know for a fact y’all could teach me a lot of stuff. They are both gone now, as I’ve told you before you make me think a whole lot of Don F Jones and Charlie Hart My dad and mentor in my other mentor Mr. Charlie
Love your content guys, thanks for sharing it with us😎
Keep up the good work 👍
You handle that big bar like a pro. Now, being of similar age, I doubt you can do it all day like we used to do. ;-)
Class video. When you have life experience, anything is possible.
thank you for this channel. I learn so many interesting things, even if they are skills I'll never use, it's nice to have the knowledge.
You must like that fellow, I've heard you mention him many times.
Love the forestry content!
I live in Townsville Australia, we have the same problem with noxious weeds. Mainly Chinee Apple and Lantana, it is impossible to stop it too.
Great video as usual! Really like the way explain the logging stuff. One thing to add to your choker bit is, a bridal is also commonly used when your choker is too short to go around the log.
With lumber prices, more people getting into sawing their own wood, and log prices so low, it seems l like something should pop up to organize all the independent sawmills into some sort of coop to sell extra wood back into the market.
Sounds like a plan
On the hardwood side of the market a lot of lumber gets to market in just this way. For softwood there is a bit more science to it and it's hard for small mills to compete with the big commercial operations. Structural grading is also incredibly important, and lumber graders need to be certified, that is difficult for small operations. Right now the lumber prices are high because the slowdown in the kilns and processing last year from covid is taking a while to spin back up. Processing lumber is not a fast process.
Great watching!
Great video-thanks for sharing
I still have and use anchorseal but I also have a hot plate with a pot of paraffin that I use for really nice logs that I want to really minimize moisture loss, get the most out of the log and time. You can get more layers on quickly. Needs to be pretty hot to actually cling onto the wood so be careful, fire wise.
I'd be pretty careful about melting the wax with open flame too.
I do green hollowturning and for me, having fairly saturated wood is really important.
Hard to find men like these, in this day and age.
We all know why without mentioning it.
Some men in my country got attacked by environmental activists who chained themself to the trees so they wouldn't saw them down.
Men are not allowed to be men in feminists countries.
@@frankenz66 🤡
I think you guys are hanging out in the wrong places.... EC is a gentleman equipped with many "manly" skills for sure- but there's still plenty of guys like him left.
I grew up in Southern Oregon as well, and these kind of folks are plentiful. They just don't all have successful TH-cam channels....
@@aaronellingsen5404 yeah the kind of guy that Scott and Cy are don't tend to be all that into social media by definition.
We’ve got a TD15 at work, its a great old rig!
Log tongs or as we refer to them, timber tongs, are still an essential item in our Shipwright shop up here in Washington State. Another great video.
Fun watching the old guys gittin er done!
Those are men that have made America great.
I always learn something watching your videos. Good job!!
Keep up the good work brother
We hardly wait!
keep up the good work folks!
Thanks! Will do!
Love the video and that saw. 👍
Thanks for sharing
For cleaning logs before sawing, you might want to look at the Makita 9741 Wheel Sander or something similar. Love the channel.