@@sharvintarbler6431 Not quite the same because Canada subsidizes education more. In the US if you are willing to pay you can usually find a school to accept you.
Thank you! Im a Canadian high school student aspiring to become a hospitalist. Though I have already done my research, its nice to review and refresh once in a while!
Medical school in Quebec is still 4 years. The only difference is that Cegep students can go directly to medical school instead of completing a bachelors degree.
Some programs have a 1 year pre-med when coming directly from cegep or if you don’t have a bachelors degree in health science. So it’s 5 years with pre-med and 4 without! :)
I applied to both Canadian and US schools this year! Definitely a long and grueling process. Good luck to all applicants in the upcoming application years!
Canadian medical grad here (specifically uOttawa grad, now at McGill)! Agree with most of this, though will add some my two cents: 1) There are certain "premed" programs in Canada, where you can get in straight after high school. This includes many Quebec schools + Queen's University 2) The average tuition is very variable, but Ontario tuitions are quite high. When I was in med school, It was $25K/year but increasing by $1000 each year. 3) MCAT is not taken at schools where French is involved, as there is no French MCAT. uOttawa has both a French and English program, so it doesn't make sense for 1 of its programs to require the MCAT. None of the Quebec schools require it as well. Hope that helps!!
It’s interesting that since Canadian Medical School’s take a more holistic approach in admission and don’t weight the MCAT evenly or at all you would expect the the Average MCAT score for a matriculant in Canada to be lower than in the US. Guess it just shows how competitive it can be for our friends up North
@C B lol I agree with you, the rest of these people trying to poke fun at you and silence you are just part of the cancel culture lol. Speak your mind, it's true it's all a facade to show how progressive they are but in reality it's all for show
@@AsadiSwag Go cry about it, cope, literally it's a dog whistle, awareness or intent does not negate the directed intent of the language itself. No one negated the importance of scores, someone decided to cry about "holistic" approaches. You both have absolutely zero idea of what that entails in this context.
@C B Yeah, no idea what you're responding to, what you're assuming about my stance is based upon what I said. What is it you're trying to respond to? Because I never even implied that high stat applicants fail in other areas.
I''ve been watching your videos for a while now, but for once, I wanted to thank you for all of your hard work. It is very very hard to learn this whole pre-med process as a first generation college student and I couldn't have done it without your videos! Thank you so much!
Can you make a video aboot how portable is a medical degree? eg: moving between Canada & US and from state to state. how difficult is it? what are the requirements? when is the best time to change your country/state?
Canadian med student here. From what I know it is portable, but you have to pass board exams of the country you're going to work in. For that reason, many of us do the USMLE during our MD just in case we ever want to go to the US later. Because otherwise, even if you practiced in Canada for years and you end up moving to the US, you have to do it. And from what I heard, it is truly painful to go through that process after 20 years into a specialty haha! But unless we plan to apply for residency in the US, we don't care about our score, we just want to pass. Voila :)
In Sweden, med school is right now 5,5 years, but we have no college equivalent here and can apply as soon as we’re out of gymnasiet (“high school”). In my med school, the first 2,5 years are theoretical while 2,5 are practical and 0,5 years are for research. After we’re done, we’re not licensed doctors, only “examinated”. To get a license, we have to work 1,5 years AT (allmäntjänstgöring, kinda like a general internship). Then we’ve a licence, and can specialize which takes > 5 years. But this autumn, the new swedish med school program will take 6 years with no AT afterwards.
@@Hugodenbeste det kommer gå suveränt! Visst, en del saker ändras, men det mesta i grundprogrammet är nog detsamma. Tack och lov kommer du inte heller vara en av de första som gör BT (det är ju utländskt utbildade läkare som är försökskaninerna där - redan från och men i höst tror jag?). Vilket universitet går du förresten? Går själv på LiU
yes, it's almost the same here. 5,5-6 years (3,5-4 theoretical and 2 practical) followed by board exam and then finally licensed as a doctor. But, in order to practice independently, another 1 year under the supervision of senior doctors
@@primeirrational i am super jealous. In canada it is 4 years of bachelor, 2 years of master sometimes if you dont get accepted, 4 years of med school, then a couple residency years
Fun fact: in Quebec it's a whole god damn mess cause you can also enter premed from our CEGEP (sorta like a college equivalent) without a bachelor's degree. Also we don't even know what MCAT is lol (It's all about that cote-R)
@@reddot8605 then again i do think the cote-R is a better statistical tool to differentiate students than a single standardized test like the MCAT (more data points and less confounding variables)
@@alexanderl.2483 No, if you enter straight from cegep, you have 1 premed, 4 years od med school (last one is considered intern year) and then you need 3-5 years of residency in the specialty of your choice.
@@alexanderl.2483 CEGEP is sorta like the equivalent of 12th and 13th grade but specialised for pre-university training (so you have targeted classes for health sciences for example). Then you'd have a premed year, 2 preclinical, 2 clinical years. So medschool in 5 years technically. Some universities actually have denser programs (with summer classes and such) with a 4 year program. It's a bit shorter but we still have excellent scores on the royal college test so it's probably equivalent. Edit: also if you come from cegep, premed is often mandatory, whereas if you have particular prior training (e.g. physiotherapy, pharmacy, etc.) you can go straight to preclinical
Some things gotta point out. 1) not all schools in Canada requires the MCAT. 2) Quebec has a different system. Students go to CEGEP for approximately 2 years and then 5 years of medical school (1 year of pre-med and 4 years of medical school) without needing a bachelor’s degree. Our selection process isn’t based on the MCAT, it’s based CEGEP R score and interviews.
These costs are insane, in the Netherlands tuition for all higher education is set at around 2500 euros per year, and even that is considered by many to be too expensive when you add living costs.
Not as severely as he did but many areas do say a soft aboot, especially east coast. Living in USA while I did PhD I was called on my out pronunciation more than my about.
I differentiate accents from Canada vs USA by how Canadians pronounce about (Canadians say "aboot"). In some Canadians, "aboot" is more noticeable while in others it's way less prominent. I must say, the narrator of this video has the most prominent "aboot" that I have ever heard! PS: I'm an English speaker, but I'm neither American nor Canadian.
Perhaps u can’t hear urself sounding like that? I haven’t met a Canadian yet that say aboot, whether a soft one or hard, it’s ok though bc it’s cute lol
interesting how the american and canadian system only accept post grad students, where as other countries that follows british system accepts undegrad, with that said, my country's equivalent of residency is longer at 2 years, but shorter working hours - 60 per week but is required to rotate at 5 major departments (internal medicine, surgery, paeds, O&G and orthopaedics) + 1 elective (anaes or emergency)
@@kellychow9443 I'm working as junior Dr in malaysia, no u can't apply straight from high school but need to go through pre-u, I personally took gcse/a levels, but it's not a undergrad program
@@kareem2457 Except Quebec residents and mostly applying to French school, almost all applicants have a BSc and many have a masters. It is pretty rare to get accepted after 3 years in Canada.
Thank you so much, the timing for this video could not have been any better since I was researching into Canadian medical schools. This is all too convenient.
@@taddykabba9100 it's not really about speaking french. Like other provinces and states, they favor local applicants by having more spots for them. So, as the local population is 80% francophone, it is normal to find more francophones in Med schools. The main difference is the grading process, in Quebec there's a standardized score for each class you take throughout your 2-3 years of pre med, so you're constantly evaluated and compared to the rest of the applicants in a standard manner. There's also Casper and MMIs. It's It is approximately a 8-10 applicants for 1 seat and there's very few spots for applicants outside of Quebec
You need to separate that into English med schools and French schools. McGill operates very similarly to the other med schools across Canada. Most students at McGill aren’t entering after cegep and the entry average is higher.
Great video. Could u make a video explaining how does doctors from other countries can practice in Canada and USA? For example, I'm a graduated doctor in Brazil, what do I have to do work as a doctor in Canada? What is the process for that? I'd appreciate a video about it very much. 🙂
i think it's also important to add that various canadian med schools allow for a 2nd bachelors (2 years of "new" grades + transfer credits for a 2nd bachelors that completely replace your grades from your first bachelors), or will use grad school grades as a "boost" or allow for your lowest year to dropped, or your highest year to be counted twice, or some variation of not actually averaging your grades across 4 years.
As always awesome and informative video we appreciate the effort that goes into making these videos they're really helpful 🙏💙 can you guys make a video comparing residency training in canada vs the U.S i'd really appreciate it and thanks in advance
Another major difference is that Canadian medical schools value physician shadowing much less. UBC even looks down on it. Their application guide has this note: "Note about physician shadowing: In accordance with the guidelines put forward by the College of Physicians and Surgeons of BC, the MD Undergraduate Program discourages individuals not enrolled as students of health professions regulated by the Health Professions Act or Emergency Health Services Act from participating in physician shadowing. Such activities pose significant concerns to patient privacy and confidentiality, and will not result in an increased NAQ score or improved chances of admission."
@@noelle6481 That depends on a LOT of things. If you want to work/live in Canada afterwards, then go to a Canadian school. If you’re not sure where you want to live/work, that takes a lot of time to figure out and requires a lot of research.
@@noelle6481 its honestly better to stay in the states (as also you would pay a similar rate there becuase international students pay more than domestic)
They just make sure you are a high achiever in all aspects of your life. In general you have to have very strong academics too which is why we have higher MCAT scores.
The 'shortage' that you hear about for physicians in Canada is also largely due to where physicians decide to work. There is a large problem with motivating physicians to work in underserved rural and First Nation reservation areas within Canada. This is evidenced by existing and proposed incentives to get physicians to stay in these locations. This isn't surprising, as I don't imagine most graduates--strong type A individuals--find living in the frigid cold, working less well-compensated family medicine, residing in a small town, and not having much to do with their free time very appealing. You can increase residency spots--and thus medical school seats--with more funding, but I believe that would only marginally address the problem, while more graduates emigrate. Canadian law schools are also extremely competitive. When I looked at the average AGPA for a matriculant at the University of Alberta, I believe it was about 3.8. In the United States, there are of course very competitive law schools; however, there's also many decent fallback law schools if you're not an exceptional applicant, unlike Canada.
That is the true in Canada we just have a tons of doctors that would want to work in bigger hospital(which is normal) that why we always have that shortage because most of the doctor don't want to serve under privileged area since they are in this mindset of I made I'm prestige mode. And keep in mind the government of Canada will give you 40k off ur loan to work at a underprivileged area.
Can you please do a video about studying medical school in a different country and if you can complete your residency in the United States (hi from Mexico)?
We have a critical shortage of Family Doctors in Canada, we need to lower the criteria just a little. You would still be getting the most amazing candidates.
Why does everyone forget about Quebec when talking about Canada :') half med students don't have BSc (they can do 1 pre-med year after CEGEP, & 1 school even allows them to skip that) and it's considered to be an undergrad here. People usually apply right after CEGEP, which is 2 years of ""college"" that everyone has to do after high school before we go into university. Our high school is 1 year shorter than yours. After that, if you don't get in, you usually do a BSc & reapply after, which is 3 years instead of 4. Tuition is much cheaper than what you said, and the admission process is much more simple (no MCAT, personal statement or letter of recommendation are required, for instance). It's more competitive, but they don't distinguish reapplicants from other first-time applicants, and since it's easier to apply, we usually don't mind going through the process multiple times. Applying is also MUCH LESS expensive. Admission is based ++++ on grades and the score they calculate varies greatly depending on the class average, the difficulty of your program, etc. Once we start med-school, everything is pass-fail, we don't get grades anymore. French speakers only have 3 universities they can apply to, and otherwise, we have only 5 choices if we don't take the MCAT (Montreal, Sherbrooke, Laval, McGill & Ottawa). It's therefore very difficult for us to understand what you guys experience in the US, as we never really have to go very far to go study medicine; but also, the majority of us simply never get in, whereas it feels like it's more achievable for you guys (I might be wrong though). I'd really like to have your opinion on that as it's very different from the rest of Canada & the rest of the world also!
Also, no DO schools in Canada. Did not even know what it was before I started following you. We have osteopaths, but these are not physicians, it's a completely different program. No PA schools in Quebec either.
Entry in French Quebec schools for Quebec residents or students born in Quebec is very different than applying to English med schools and applying from out of province. It is much easier to get accepted as a French Quebec residents into a French Quebec medical school.
In the US the last year of medical school is all about how to extort and maximize profits per each patient whereas in Canada ( and Europe) it's about how to treat and help people. I've lived and worked 15 years in the US and 12 years in the UK. In the US everything and I mean everything is about metrics and targets, whether you're a stockbroker, real estate, dentist, lawyer or doctor....it's all about billable hours or commissions or how many accounts you opened etc etc. It's so sick it's crazy!
This Canadian tuition average paints a very different picture. It's on average 13 000 because the maritime provinces, which are much smaller and almost exclusively for in-province students, have a significantly lower tuition. The average med student in Ontario, however, pays about 24 000 per year and this is largely the norm across Canada.
This is exactly what I need, it has been something I have been pondering about for ages: "should I persue my passion of medicine in the U.S or Canada as a South African cityzen?" Thank you very much!
In Ontario there's a program at Queens called QuARMS which when accepted you only have to do 2 years of undergrad and then you can apply to med school without taking the MCAT. It's exclusive to BIPOC students and only 10 applicants are accepted.
@@amyseaden9069 Your comment doesn't make sense. You apply to QuARMS after highschool. You can apply to med in two years without MCAT if you're one of the lucky 10 that get accepted into QuARMS.
@@amyseaden9069 I see. That's weird since QuARMS is a program specifically for Queens Med School. Acceptance isn't garenteed but I'd expect it to be high since it's an application to their own school. It's the program's whole gimmick.
@@Preposter Would imagine it creates a draw for BIPOC students increasing the competition for the 10 spots. Haven’t looked into it 100% but I assume you can start applying after 2nd year but can continue applying after 3rd year, 4th year, etc. Not unlike general admission process to Canadian med schools it is not uncommon to apply many times before getting accepted.
@@chapachuu the problem is the spelling…..it doesn’t sound like you would expect “aboot” to sound……it’s hard to phonetically spell it out in the way it actually sounds so it ends up just looking like Canadians say “a boot” when we don’t. Secondly the guy in the video exaggerated the pronunciation a little bit to make it clear as to what he was doing……so I’d say that most Canadians don’t say it as strongly as he did, but some do.
Education is of provincial jurisdiction in Canada. It makes no sense referring to Canadian medical schools as each province has a separate board. A school from a particular province may be more similar to one of a specific US state than to anther province.
This video helped a lot but as an international pre-med in Canada, I still have doubts as to whether I should aim for Canadian or American medical schools
Internal medicine training in Canada is not 3 years...that is the common portion that subspecialists take eg 3 years medicine, 2 years respirology or nephrology etc. If doing general internal medicine it was a 1 additional year (4 total) program in past, it is now a 2 additional years like the other subspecialties.
I can relate to the only a few school offer this thing. I’m going to go to college for journalism. In the western half of Canada only the University of Regina offered the program. Now a there’s like nine others.
I’m a high school student in Canada and I hope to get into medschool in Canada and then do my residency in the US. How would I apply for residency in the states if I didn’t take the USMLE? Would I have to take it in med school in Canada? Or does the Canadian testing allow me to apply?
Not sure why you would do this. Your chances of getting selected for a good residency program likely increases if you remain in Canada. Like in Canada, the good hospital residency programs tend to select from the top US schools first.
Emma, if you plan to practice medicine in the US, then apply to the US med schools. Do not waste a spot that could be given to a Canadian that is going to practice here. Canadian taxpayers do not want to subsidize the education for someone who has no intention of practising in Canada. You will have to cough up the $50,000 US a year for med school in the US - forfeit the Canadian government grants and loans - but that is only fair if you plan to practice in another country. Save that spot for someone who wants to be a Canadian doctor.
in india med school is for 4.5 yr + 1 yr rotatory internship directly after high school and then 3 yrs of specialization usually with 3 yrs of residency for ur masters
I'm Canadian in uni right now with a goal to attend med school afterwards, and I literally did not know that Canadian med schools had no USMLE and the sorts! All the med school related videos I watch on youtube are all American lol
Back when I wanted to go to med school in Canada you got into U of T if you had high grades and were of 2 ethnic connections, or moneied. I chose a nursing degree since I wasn't any of those things. By the end of my 4yrs undergrad there was a shift as McMaster started group interviewing with group problem solving and actively recruiting women students. So now 40 yrs later we now have Queens giving med school entry by race not merit, and Memorial working hard with foreign students but when they graduate the other provinces grab the needed specialists. Like someone else said here Canada is currently whacky under our PM.
That $13,000 Canadian tuition is not completely accurate. For example, if I live in Ontario and go to one of the medical schools in Ontario (I cannot speak for other provinces), I can apply for provincial government funding. The Ontario government will give you a low interest loan on 50% of the tuition, AND a grant/discount on the other ½. So essentially, your annual tuition would be approximately $6,500 per year.
Hi Dr.! i am grade 4 and i had a 3 questions for you if u dont mind answering them! 1. What is the difference between going to a college than going to a university? 2. Do you think you can do a video Canda. vs England? 3. Do you some names of doctors that have a job related to the respiratory system? and thats all! I hope u can answer these question!
The southern brain drain is a serious problem in Canada. We educate plenty of doctors but loose a lot of them to the U.S. where they can change more in private practice.
You should look into why many have to move to the US. Right now there's a list of many specialties that cannot find jobs in Canada- neurosurgeons, orthopedic surgeons, cardiac surgeons are on that list. I don't blame them. One can't wait around for opportunities to happen when the US has many available.
Can you do a video about med school in Europe (including the differences and irregularities from country to country), since it's vastly different from the US? (p.s. pharmacy student here)
If you look at the stats the US has 2.8 doctors per one thousand where Canada has 2.6 doctors per one thousand the tide has turned where more doctors are staying in Canada.
US. Very hard to get a residency in Canada and you will only get to pick what is left after Canadian students have selected. Many specialties will not be available.
I should tell you guys in iran 500k applicants competing for 8k med school seats ... that means in iran 🇮🇷 admission rate for med school is about 1.6% ...!!!
Please make some videos on mccqe, doctor's licensing exam in canada and how can foreigner medical school graduates practice in Canada as a doctor. Please!
Canada has less medical schools than the United States so it makes sense that their application process is more competitive
17 vs 180 medical school make a huge difference hence why it's harder to gain admission to cad med school like you mentioned.
@@kareem2457 Yeah precisely
Yoo youre right . How did he miss that out ?
Canada also has about one-tenth the population of the US. So per capita...it's about the same.
@@sharvintarbler6431 Not quite the same because Canada subsidizes education more. In the US if you are willing to pay you can usually find a school to accept you.
OMG this is literally what I need right now, currently studying in Canada and hopes to apply for both Canadian and USMD schools
WOAHHHH I WAS THINKING THE SAME! THIS IS ME RIGHT NOW TOO
Same
@Bilan Yassin - BScN to MD digging the credentials. Same boat, just feeling old 😪
Wait, are you taking Genetics right now?
I recognize your name.
@Henonaga Um yeah, that's literally not true.
Thank you! Im a Canadian high school student aspiring to become a hospitalist. Though I have already done my research, its nice to review and refresh once in a while!
Same. I hope you get to what you want 🙏🏾
@@taddykabba9100 thank you so much! I hope you do as well! ❤️
@@sarahmcd7529 What grade are you in? Or are you in university now 😅 im trying to be a med student too one day but Im still in grade 12
You forgot Quebec where the system is way different.
Medschool last 6 years instead of 4, but you don't need to do a bachelor degree before.
Thanks for pointing that out
Medical school in Quebec is still 4 years. The only difference is that Cegep students can go directly to medical school instead of completing a bachelors degree.
Some programs have a 1 year pre-med when coming directly from cegep or if you don’t have a bachelors degree in health science. So it’s 5 years with pre-med and 4 without! :)
That's pretty much the system in most of the world. Those previous 4 years before Med School are kind of a waste.
interesting! just like in France! 🇫🇷
Best TH-cam channel to ever grace the internet. You all are saving pre-meds
I applied to both Canadian and US schools this year! Definitely a long and grueling process. Good luck to all applicants in the upcoming application years!
Good luck Jon, long time no see!
How was it?
@Deandre D Got in! Just finished first year :)
@@jonathonchio4724 so happy for you. did you got in the Canadian one?
Canadian medical grad here (specifically uOttawa grad, now at McGill)! Agree with most of this, though will add some my two cents:
1) There are certain "premed" programs in Canada, where you can get in straight after high school. This includes many Quebec schools + Queen's University
2) The average tuition is very variable, but Ontario tuitions are quite high. When I was in med school, It was $25K/year but increasing by $1000 each year.
3) MCAT is not taken at schools where French is involved, as there is no French MCAT. uOttawa has both a French and English program, so it doesn't make sense for 1 of its programs to require the MCAT. None of the Quebec schools require it as well.
Hope that helps!!
It’s interesting that since Canadian Medical School’s take a more holistic approach in admission and don’t weight the MCAT evenly or at all you would expect the the Average MCAT score for a matriculant in Canada to be lower than in the US. Guess it just shows how competitive it can be for our friends up North
@C B lmao stfu
@C B lol I agree with you, the rest of these people trying to poke fun at you and silence you are just part of the cancel culture lol. Speak your mind, it's true it's all a facade to show how progressive they are but in reality it's all for show
@@shortking3429 something someone says when they have absolutely no rebuttle. Grow up lol
@@AsadiSwag Go cry about it, cope, literally it's a dog whistle, awareness or intent does not negate the directed intent of the language itself. No one negated the importance of scores, someone decided to cry about "holistic" approaches. You both have absolutely zero idea of what that entails in this context.
@C B Yeah, no idea what you're responding to, what you're assuming about my stance is based upon what I said. What is it you're trying to respond to? Because I never even implied that high stat applicants fail in other areas.
Thank you for this as a Canadian potentially looking into the medical school this helps. But seriously Canada be crazy 😂
It really be
Trust me I know we need a 3.9 GPA to get into our 17 med school in Canada
Yeah
@@kareem2457 what's a 3.9 GPA in percent?
@@TheBirdyyeses based on the omas scale that between and 84-92 %
Haha the "aboot" flew over most people's heads.
😂💀
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I’m glad someone noticed 😂
when was it?
I noticed it too lmaooo
I''ve been watching your videos for a while now, but for once, I wanted to thank you for all of your hard work. It is very very hard to learn this whole pre-med process as a first generation college student and I couldn't have done it without your videos! Thank you so much!
Can you make a video aboot how portable is a medical degree? eg: moving between Canada & US and from state to state. how difficult is it? what are the requirements? when is the best time to change your country/state?
State to states are normally portable. But for other countries you're looking at doing a form of exam in order to practice medicine.
Canadian med student here. From what I know it is portable, but you have to pass board exams of the country you're going to work in. For that reason, many of us do the USMLE during our MD just in case we ever want to go to the US later. Because otherwise, even if you practiced in Canada for years and you end up moving to the US, you have to do it. And from what I heard, it is truly painful to go through that process after 20 years into a specialty haha! But unless we plan to apply for residency in the US, we don't care about our score, we just want to pass. Voila :)
@@melissa2500 thanks!!
Lmaooo did you say « aboot » on purpose?? 😭😭😭😭
If your a doctor in America you DO NOT WANT TO COME HERE.
In Sweden, med school is right now 5,5 years, but we have no college equivalent here and can apply as soon as we’re out of gymnasiet (“high school”). In my med school, the first 2,5 years are theoretical while 2,5 are practical and 0,5 years are for research. After we’re done, we’re not licensed doctors, only “examinated”. To get a license, we have to work 1,5 years AT (allmäntjänstgöring, kinda like a general internship). Then we’ve a licence, and can specialize which takes > 5 years.
But this autumn, the new swedish med school program will take 6 years with no AT afterwards.
@@Hugodenbeste det kommer gå suveränt! Visst, en del saker ändras, men det mesta i grundprogrammet är nog detsamma. Tack och lov kommer du inte heller vara en av de första som gör BT (det är ju utländskt utbildade läkare som är försökskaninerna där - redan från och men i höst tror jag?). Vilket universitet går du förresten? Går själv på LiU
yes, it's almost the same here. 5,5-6 years (3,5-4 theoretical and 2 practical) followed by board exam and then finally licensed as a doctor. But, in order to practice independently, another 1 year under the supervision of senior doctors
@@primeirrational i am super jealous. In canada it is 4 years of bachelor, 2 years of master sometimes if you dont get accepted, 4 years of med school, then a couple residency years
Is it possible to make a video on how to do well/how to prepare for the CASPer test? That would really help! :)
Yes
Im so glad you guys went into detail on this, Ive been getting tired of explaining how ridiculous the Canadian process is lol
Fun fact: in Quebec it's a whole god damn mess cause you can also enter premed from our CEGEP (sorta like a college equivalent) without a bachelor's degree. Also we don't even know what MCAT is lol
(It's all about that cote-R)
Yes! Quebec's system is completly different...I really think we should use the same systeme as the rest of North America
@@reddot8605 then again i do think the cote-R is a better statistical tool to differentiate students than a single standardized test like the MCAT (more data points and less confounding variables)
@@alexanderl.2483 No, if you enter straight from cegep, you have 1 premed, 4 years od med school (last one is considered intern year) and then you need 3-5 years of residency in the specialty of your choice.
@@alexanderl.2483 Oh unless you mean just till the end of medschool then it would take 5 years of uni after 2 years of cegep
@@alexanderl.2483 CEGEP is sorta like the equivalent of 12th and 13th grade but specialised for pre-university training (so you have targeted classes for health sciences for example). Then you'd have a premed year, 2 preclinical, 2 clinical years. So medschool in 5 years technically. Some universities actually have denser programs (with summer classes and such) with a 4 year program. It's a bit shorter but we still have excellent scores on the royal college test so it's probably equivalent.
Edit: also if you come from cegep, premed is often mandatory, whereas if you have particular prior training (e.g. physiotherapy, pharmacy, etc.) you can go straight to preclinical
My favourite video on the channel by far, thank you so much for touching on this subject.
These are some of these most helpful videos to me on TH-cam.
Some things gotta point out.
1) not all schools in Canada requires the MCAT.
2) Quebec has a different system. Students go to CEGEP for approximately 2 years and then 5 years of medical school (1 year of pre-med and 4 years of medical school) without needing a bachelor’s degree. Our selection process isn’t based on the MCAT, it’s based CEGEP R score and interviews.
Such useful advice for a aspiring foreign medical student ❤️
Thank you xoxo
Thank you so much. This was so helpful😊please do one comparing medschools in Europe and in America
Omg finally a video about Canada THANK YOU
Thank you so much, I was waiting for Canadian videos
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ON INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS (OTHER THAN CANADIAN) BECOMING DOCTOR IN USA, ALL THE STEPS . PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE I'm from Europe, considering this option, but sometimes I'm like: Are you crazy?
@@zofiakaminska8239 lol same , we should discuss about it , I have some more information on this. You can add me on Instagram @iamchetanb_
indian?
These costs are insane, in the Netherlands tuition for all higher education is set at around 2500 euros per year, and even that is considered by many to be too expensive when you add living costs.
Great video! But as a Canadian, I can promise you that we don't say "aboot" lool (at least no CDN that I know)
Not as severely as he did but many areas do say a soft aboot, especially east coast. Living in USA while I did PhD I was called on my out pronunciation more than my about.
Yes! Assuming all Canadians pronounce “about” as “a-boot” is like assuming all people in the U.S. say “y’all”. It’s totally region specific. 🇨🇦
It's aboot time that someone said the truth!
I differentiate accents from Canada vs USA by how Canadians pronounce about (Canadians say "aboot"). In some Canadians, "aboot" is more noticeable while in others it's way less prominent. I must say, the narrator of this video has the most prominent "aboot" that I have ever heard!
PS: I'm an English speaker, but I'm neither American nor Canadian.
Perhaps u can’t hear urself sounding like that? I haven’t met a Canadian yet that say aboot, whether a soft one or hard, it’s ok though bc it’s cute lol
I've never been this early before! Hi KEVIN!!!!
Hi!
@@MedSchoolInsiders YYYYEEEESSSSS!!!!! THIS IS A SIGN FROM GOD TO BECOME A GASTROENTEROLOGIST( I think)
interesting how the american and canadian system only accept post grad students, where as other countries that follows british system accepts undegrad, with that said, my country's equivalent of residency is longer at 2 years, but shorter working hours - 60 per week but is required to rotate at 5 major departments (internal medicine, surgery, paeds, O&G and orthopaedics) + 1 elective (anaes or emergency)
Which country are you studying in? If the British system accepts undergrad, can u apply straight out of high school?
@@kellychow9443 I'm working as junior Dr in malaysia, no u can't apply straight from high school but need to go through pre-u, I personally took gcse/a levels, but it's not a undergrad program
Canada and the USA both accept undergrad as admission
@@kareem2457 Except Quebec residents and mostly applying to French school, almost all applicants have a BSc and many have a masters. It is pretty rare to get accepted after 3 years in Canada.
Oh man I’ve been waiting for this one !
Thank you so much, the timing for this video could not have been any better since I was researching into Canadian medical schools. This is all too convenient.
Getting in seems incredibly complicated compared to Denmark where I live. I just applied after high school, and they only looked at high school GPA.
This was helpful as I am about to enter Canada to study to become a neurosurgeon
It’s definitely more competitive because Canada only has 17 med schools compared to 180.
Quebec city : 1400$ per session, 4000$ per year.
Also you didn’t talk about Quebec at all. We don’t have an MCAT, we do casper and MEMs
Quebec tries very hard to make sure it can't be included in any discussion about how X works in Canada.
Wow amazing PLS do more Canadian medicine videos, comparing residency lengths and requirements has always been a source of confusion for me
Can you do US vs UK?
Happy to see a comparison on the process and how it differs between the Canadian process to the US one!
You should look up the admission process in Quebec, Canada. It is very different than the rest of Canada.
Yea it’s mainly also depending if you speak French. Not to be rude about Quebec but they aren’t the fondest of anyone other than themselves.
@@taddykabba9100 it's not really about speaking french. Like other provinces and states, they favor local applicants by having more spots for them. So, as the local population is 80% francophone, it is normal to find more francophones in Med schools. The main difference is the grading process, in Quebec there's a standardized score for each class you take throughout your 2-3 years of pre med, so you're constantly evaluated and compared to the rest of the applicants in a standard manner. There's also Casper and MMIs. It's
It is approximately a 8-10 applicants for 1 seat and there's very few spots for applicants outside of Quebec
Those school are gear toward their own considering they heavy critical to other people even if you do speak French like myself.
You need to separate that into English med schools and French schools. McGill operates very similarly to the other med schools across Canada. Most students at McGill aren’t entering after cegep and the entry average is higher.
11:05 and no one is gonna mention internal medicine is actually 4 but not 3 years in Canada?
This is what i needed!
Thank you so much.
Great video. Could u make a video explaining how does doctors from other countries can practice in Canada and USA? For example, I'm a graduated doctor in Brazil, what do I have to do work as a doctor in Canada? What is the process for that? I'd appreciate a video about it very much. 🙂
For US USMLE and then residency. For Canada it is almost impossible until you get Permanent Residency card.
Could you please do a video on Canadians wanting to apply to US medical schools and how to maximize their chances?
Agreed, a video on this would be great. The process is quite different and there are a lot of pitfalls if you don't know what you are doing.
I have my finals in about 10days! ughhh medschool is too stressful i wanna cry lol
Good luck tho, it’s stressful but once you there you gon be living and feeling good 🙏🏾😂
@@taddykabba9100 thanks bud hopefully!
Perhaps you should try an apprenticeship in bricklaying then.
i think it's also important to add that various canadian med schools allow for a 2nd bachelors (2 years of "new" grades + transfer credits for a 2nd bachelors that completely replace your grades from your first bachelors), or will use grad school grades as a "boost" or allow for your lowest year to dropped, or your highest year to be counted twice, or some variation of not actually averaging your grades across 4 years.
As always awesome and informative video we appreciate the effort that goes into making these videos they're really helpful 🙏💙 can you guys make a video comparing residency training in canada vs the U.S i'd really appreciate it and thanks in advance
Thanks you for helping me understand how to become a doctor in Canada 🇨🇦
Eh
Another major difference is that Canadian medical schools value physician shadowing much less. UBC even looks down on it. Their application guide has this note:
"Note about physician shadowing: In accordance with the guidelines put forward by the College of Physicians and Surgeons of BC, the MD Undergraduate Program discourages individuals not enrolled as students of health professions regulated by the Health Professions Act or Emergency Health Services Act from participating in physician shadowing. Such activities pose significant concerns to patient privacy and confidentiality, and will not result in an increased NAQ score or improved chances of admission."
They don’t look down on it they just value patient privacy versus having high school students shadowing doctors for the summer.
Ah this video was soooo needed 🥺
I maybe won't be a Med Student on both countries but at least I knew now that Medical Education is different all around the world.
Love your videos, any chance you could do one on becoming a doctor in the UK. Thanks
Yes
Im a. American but should i go to canadian med school?
@@noelle6481 That depends on a LOT of things. If you want to work/live in Canada afterwards, then go to a Canadian school. If you’re not sure where you want to live/work, that takes a lot of time to figure out and requires a lot of research.
There is a surgeon on utube who trained in UK, worked in Canada, now has moved back to UK. He details processes too.
@@noelle6481 its honestly better to stay in the states (as also you would pay a similar rate there becuase international students pay more than domestic)
8:40 you think we didn't catch that eh 😤🤣
It’s awesome that in Canada they look at the whole person
They just make sure you are a high achiever in all aspects of your life. In general you have to have very strong academics too which is why we have higher MCAT scores.
The 'shortage' that you hear about for physicians in Canada is also largely due to where physicians decide to work. There is a large problem with motivating physicians to work in underserved rural and First Nation reservation areas within Canada. This is evidenced by existing and proposed incentives to get physicians to stay in these locations. This isn't surprising, as I don't imagine most graduates--strong type A individuals--find living in the frigid cold, working less well-compensated family medicine, residing in a small town, and not having much to do with their free time very appealing. You can increase residency spots--and thus medical school seats--with more funding, but I believe that would only marginally address the problem, while more graduates emigrate.
Canadian law schools are also extremely competitive. When I looked at the average AGPA for a matriculant at the University of Alberta, I believe it was about 3.8. In the United States, there are of course very competitive law schools; however, there's also many decent fallback law schools if you're not an exceptional applicant, unlike Canada.
That is the true in Canada we just have a tons of doctors that would want to work in bigger hospital(which is normal) that why we always have that shortage because most of the doctor don't want to serve under privileged area since they are in this mindset of I made I'm prestige mode.
And keep in mind the government of Canada will give you 40k off ur loan to work at a underprivileged area.
Can you please do a video about studying medical school in a different country and if you can complete your residency in the United States (hi from Mexico)?
We have a critical shortage of Family Doctors in Canada, we need to lower the criteria just a little. You would still be getting the most amazing candidates.
Why does everyone forget about Quebec when talking about Canada :') half med students don't have BSc (they can do 1 pre-med year after CEGEP, & 1 school even allows them to skip that) and it's considered to be an undergrad here. People usually apply right after CEGEP, which is 2 years of ""college"" that everyone has to do after high school before we go into university. Our high school is 1 year shorter than yours. After that, if you don't get in, you usually do a BSc & reapply after, which is 3 years instead of 4. Tuition is much cheaper than what you said, and the admission process is much more simple (no MCAT, personal statement or letter of recommendation are required, for instance). It's more competitive, but they don't distinguish reapplicants from other first-time applicants, and since it's easier to apply, we usually don't mind going through the process multiple times. Applying is also MUCH LESS expensive. Admission is based ++++ on grades and the score they calculate varies greatly depending on the class average, the difficulty of your program, etc. Once we start med-school, everything is pass-fail, we don't get grades anymore. French speakers only have 3 universities they can apply to, and otherwise, we have only 5 choices if we don't take the MCAT (Montreal, Sherbrooke, Laval, McGill & Ottawa). It's therefore very difficult for us to understand what you guys experience in the US, as we never really have to go very far to go study medicine; but also, the majority of us simply never get in, whereas it feels like it's more achievable for you guys (I might be wrong though). I'd really like to have your opinion on that as it's very different from the rest of Canada & the rest of the world also!
Also, no DO schools in Canada. Did not even know what it was before I started following you. We have osteopaths, but these are not physicians, it's a completely different program. No PA schools in Quebec either.
Entry in French Quebec schools for Quebec residents or students born in Quebec is very different than applying to English med schools and applying from out of province. It is much easier to get accepted as a French Quebec residents into a French Quebec medical school.
Love these kind of videos super informative. Could you do a similar one for Australia/ New Zealand?
Thanks for this content!
Thanks Danny! Great chatting with you the other day
We have a lot of Canadians in our med school in Australia. Seems tough in Canada
In the US the last year of medical school is all about how to extort and maximize profits per each patient whereas in Canada ( and Europe) it's about how to treat and help people. I've lived and worked 15 years in the US and 12 years in the UK. In the US everything and I mean everything is about metrics and targets, whether you're a stockbroker, real estate, dentist, lawyer or doctor....it's all about billable hours or commissions or how many accounts you opened etc etc. It's so sick it's crazy!
This Canadian tuition average paints a very different picture. It's on average 13 000 because the maritime provinces, which are much smaller and almost exclusively for in-province students, have a significantly lower tuition. The average med student in Ontario, however, pays about 24 000 per year and this is largely the norm across Canada.
Quebec resident tuition is the what primarily lowers the average tuition cost
My daughter just finished Med School at Dalhousie U. We paid $23,000 per year in tuition and we are residents of Nova Scotia.
This is exactly what I need, it has been something I have been pondering about for ages: "should I persue my passion of medicine in the U.S or Canada as a South African cityzen?"
Thank you very much!
In most Canadian schools you must be a PR or citizen to attend
@@amyseaden9069 does having family there help?
@@jaredwatkins8588 not unless it is a parent and you are under 22 or a relative that has no family in Canada and their parents are deceased.
Thank you for this video! The next cycle would be my third attempt and I'm definitely gonna apply to US schools as well...
Can you do a video regarding the length of residency for each specialty
You should do a video comparing with the UK
Please do UK v USA
In Ontario there's a program at Queens called QuARMS which when accepted you only have to do 2 years of undergrad and then you can apply to med school without taking the MCAT. It's exclusive to BIPOC students and only 10 applicants are accepted.
Would assume the 2 year will actually end up being 4 years due to competition.
@@amyseaden9069 Your comment doesn't make sense.
You apply to QuARMS after highschool.
You can apply to med in two years without MCAT if you're one of the lucky 10 that get accepted into QuARMS.
@@Preposter The majority of people who apply will likely not get accepted at the 2 year mark.
@@amyseaden9069 I see.
That's weird since QuARMS is a program specifically for Queens Med School.
Acceptance isn't garenteed but I'd expect it to be high since it's an application to their own school.
It's the program's whole gimmick.
@@Preposter Would imagine it creates a draw for BIPOC students increasing the competition for the 10 spots. Haven’t looked into it 100% but I assume you can start applying after 2nd year but can continue applying after 3rd year, 4th year, etc. Not unlike general admission process to Canadian med schools it is not uncommon to apply many times before getting accepted.
Lmaooo you had me thinking you were Canadian for a second with that Aboot 😭
I’ve never heard a Canadian say aboot, though…
@@chapachuu the problem is the spelling…..it doesn’t sound like you would expect “aboot” to sound……it’s hard to phonetically spell it out in the way it actually sounds so it ends up just looking like Canadians say “a boot” when we don’t. Secondly the guy in the video exaggerated the pronunciation a little bit to make it clear as to what he was doing……so I’d say that most Canadians don’t say it as strongly as he did, but some do.
Education is of provincial jurisdiction in Canada. It makes no sense referring to Canadian medical schools as each province has a separate board. A school from a particular province may be more similar to one of a specific US state than to anther province.
You should check current average cost/year for Canadian medical schools. Average $13k/year seems too low.
My daughter just finished Med School at Dalhousie University. We paid $23,000 per year in tuition. (We live in Nova Scotia.)
This video helped a lot but as an international pre-med in Canada, I still have doubts as to whether I should aim for Canadian or American medical schools
Could you make a video of comparing medical school in Europe vs. medical training in the United States?
As a American I’m really happy you made this video I really want to move out of the country and become a doctor.
Maybe you can convince Canada not to rely on every other country for vaccines during the next pandemic lol
@@chrisobrien8920 America is not the place people think it is,
Internal medicine training in Canada is not 3 years...that is the common portion that subspecialists take eg 3 years medicine, 2 years respirology or nephrology etc. If doing general internal medicine it was a 1 additional year (4 total) program in past, it is now a 2 additional years like the other subspecialties.
4:25 Meanwhile Indians;
1.3 Million students for 42000 seats..
On a brighter side, fees may be highly subsidized ( $65 for a year)
I can relate to the only a few school offer this thing. I’m going to go to college for journalism. In the western half of Canada only the University of Regina offered the program. Now a there’s like nine others.
I dont know if you guys know this but in inidia there 1k applications for each seat in medical college
I’m a high school student in Canada and I hope to get into medschool in Canada and then do my residency in the US. How would I apply for residency in the states if I didn’t take the USMLE? Would I have to take it in med school in Canada? Or does the Canadian testing allow me to apply?
You would have to write the USMLE on top of doing Canadian testing
Not sure why you would do this. Your chances of getting selected for a good residency program likely increases if you remain in Canada. Like in Canada, the good hospital residency programs tend to select from the top US schools first.
Emma, if you plan to practice medicine in the US, then apply to the US med schools. Do not waste a spot that could be given to a Canadian that is going to practice here. Canadian taxpayers do not want to subsidize the education for someone who has no intention of practising in Canada. You will have to cough up the $50,000 US a year for med school in the US - forfeit the Canadian government grants and loans - but that is only fair if you plan to practice in another country. Save that spot for someone who wants to be a Canadian doctor.
in india med school is for 4.5 yr + 1 yr rotatory internship directly after high school and then 3 yrs of specialization usually with 3 yrs of residency for ur masters
Thank you for making this video on the flip side, Canada
Nice video man!
I'm Canadian in uni right now with a goal to attend med school afterwards, and I literally did not know that Canadian med schools had no USMLE and the sorts! All the med school related videos I watch on youtube are all American lol
Back when I wanted to go to med school in Canada you got into U of T if you had high grades and were of 2 ethnic connections, or moneied. I chose a nursing degree since I wasn't any of those things. By the end of my 4yrs undergrad there was a shift as McMaster started group interviewing with group problem solving and actively recruiting women students. So now 40 yrs later we now have Queens giving med school entry by race not merit, and Memorial working hard with foreign students but when they graduate the other provinces grab the needed specialists. Like someone else said here Canada is currently whacky under our PM.
Annual tuition in Ontario Medical Schools is $22k + for residents.
In Canada there are many medical schools that do not require MCAT scores anymore (McGill and McMaster for example)
I have always wanted to apply to mcgill🤔
Would you be able to do a similar video comparing US and UK paths to medical school and eventually a Doctor
In DO University in the US does the same training with no prerequisite before starting.
That $13,000 Canadian tuition is not completely accurate. For example, if I live in Ontario and go to one of the medical schools in Ontario (I cannot speak for other provinces), I can apply for provincial government funding. The Ontario government will give you a low interest loan on 50% of the tuition, AND a grant/discount on the other ½. So essentially, your annual tuition would be approximately $6,500 per year.
Tuition at U of T is almost $25K/year
Does medical university in both countries require SATS?
Hi Dr.! i am grade 4 and i had a 3 questions for you if u dont mind answering them! 1. What is the difference between going to a college than going to a university? 2. Do you think you can do a video Canda. vs England? 3. Do you some names of doctors that have a job related to the respiratory system? and thats all! I hope u can answer these question!
1. they are the same , no different 3 . Pulmonologist
@@bosorot ty so much!
The southern brain drain is a serious problem in Canada. We educate plenty of doctors but loose a lot of them to the U.S. where they can change more in private practice.
You should look into why many have to move to the US. Right now there's a list of many specialties that cannot find jobs in Canada- neurosurgeons, orthopedic surgeons, cardiac surgeons are on that list. I don't blame them. One can't wait around for opportunities to happen when the US has many available.
I'm French and I don't plan on being a doctor, but that was interesting!
Can you do a video about med school in Europe (including the differences and irregularities from country to country), since it's vastly different from the US? (p.s. pharmacy student here)
If you look at the stats the US has 2.8 doctors per one thousand where Canada has 2.6 doctors per one thousand the tide has turned where more doctors are staying in Canada.
omg finally i have been waiting for a Canadian video! thank you :)
I would like to know more about Puerto Rican Medical Schools in the future 🇵🇷⚕️🩺
yessss !!!
They're U.S. schools, so it's the same process. The only difference may be language of instruction as some schools provide instruction in Spanish.
The only difference would be the knowledge of the Spanish language and lower admission requirements and MCAT
You should do this with other countries
please make a video on getting into residency training for a foreign trained medical graduate . USA vs Canada
US. Very hard to get a residency in Canada and you will only get to pick what is left after Canadian students have selected. Many specialties will not be available.
I should tell you guys in iran 500k applicants competing for 8k med school seats ... that means in iran 🇮🇷 admission rate for med school is about 1.6% ...!!!
Please make some videos on mccqe, doctor's licensing exam in canada and how can foreigner medical school graduates practice in Canada as a doctor. Please!
Wonderful video designing! Helpful and fun to watch. Hey it be would great to do one on Russian medical universities