Remember a lady gypsy and her son who came every year to tell my step mothers fortune. The boy one year brought me a baby bunny rabbit. Of all the people it was me who he kept this bunny for and waited untill his mother was due to call at my home. I have wondered so so many times why he did it and why was I so special. I'm 71 and have never forgot that gypsy boy and his gift.
This is awesome. My great great grandfather was Henry Taylor, a Romani Gypsy who is documented as being involved with some gangs back in the early 1900s in Birmingham. My grandfather never knew his family, his dad left when my grandfather was born. My grandfathers mother passed away giving birth so he was eventually adopted and moved to America under a different name. He did a ton of genealogy and family tree digging to find out who his family was over the years. Tons of really cool stuff. My great great great grandfather (Henry's father) was a full blown Romani. Hung around Black Patch Park in Birmingham with other families such as the Boswell's, Hearn's, Lee's and Gray's. My grandfather has pages of documented stuff that he's found over the years.
Have Taylors in my tree too also some in Black Patch. I can relate to your story as I live in Australia (Dad emigrated here from UK) and my Grandad was born 'illegitimate' and was brought up seeing his birth mum sometimes and his Dad started a new family the next year unfortunately, so there was secrecy around everything. I am a Cooper with Stanley, Ayres, Taylor, Broadway and a bunch of others. I'm sure we're distant cousins! Kushti bok!
All them families where together for years along with shaws and lovells are all black face Rom and where part of the Romany gypsy lore society in other words the original real Roms
@Romchav my next door neighbour was a lovell. Gave up his gypsy roots and became a london cabbie. But he was a hard man with dark features and would do anything for his family.
Iv only just seen this video and would just like to say that that as a Gypsie Lady I love my roots where I came from. I am one of nine children. I have five brothers and three sisters. My parents moved into a house when I was about five years of age. So I have been brought up on both sides of the fence well thats what I call it. So in many ways I should be called a gorja but my blood says no Im proud of who I am. I married a gorja and have two beautifull children who also have been brought up on both sides of the fence. We are not all bad as there is good and bad in every one. And yes we should live among society as which I do and so does my brothers and sisters. we are Lee Family in Canterbury and its our home since the first ones came to Canterbury in about the same time as this video was done I am now looking into to see if thease people are any of my family x
Proper English Gypsies are welcome in this land. More a part of the ancient world than many of the natives. Doubt many modern immigrants tread the old forgotten paths.
I see high standards all around: Fine, strong, draught horses. Leather harness with metal ornamentation. Light-weight but sturdy caravans and carts. Beautiful tableware. And above all fine, healthy looking people going through life on the margins.
@@sibellakingston52 I am a full blooded Romany and I lived it. I now live in a house but I travel when I can, which is quite often. I've lived all over the UK (and abroad)in the days when it was authentic, not like it is these days with all its red tape. Today's generation are imitation rather than art. My kin are the Bottons, Lee's, Dighton's, Smith's, Penfolds.
These are the REAL travellers,I remember growing up in the East End,they would set up in the Essex countryside,and walk to our part of the city selling lavender and pegs,telling our fortunes for 5p and they were happy and pleasant.NOT like the travellers of today who descend like a bloody rabble at Appleby and other areas around the country leaving bags of shite waste and rubbish behind them.Foul mouthed and ready to RIP off any old people they see as fair game.The old travellers of yesteryear were pleasant folks.
Tally paige my grandad asked me to do this as he can't read or write he said we are romani not the travellers yes the old days have gone and the others are new age,and them that live in vans who are dirty
Tally paige the rubbish and shit at appleby is caused by 30,000 gadji visitors so come see for yourself not listen to folk who don't know shit from piss
Fantastic archieve footage of a way of life thats almost extinct. As a true descendant of romany blood, I've found this footage to be amonst the best that i've seen to date. An excellent insight into the travelling fraternity, & a fabulous tribute to the ancestors of many. God bless. Kind regards, Gary.
Every gypsy I have met have always been polite and friendly and they should be allowed to live society and receive social benefits regardless of what part of Europe they live in. When a gypsy family unit is allowed into society they should educate their children away town or village they live in . This would ensue they would not be subject to abuse. All gypsy children should receive and education, based on ability to achieve university training for the career of their choosing.
My Great Grandmother was a Martha Scamp from Canterbury. I have my family tree way back, one of my ancestors had born Gypsy tent Sandhurst Kent on the birth certificate.
@artistjoh You are right, many people over the centuries didn't care where we came from, all they knew was they didn't like the us. In the UK we are Romany, many of our people do not really know our history well but because of the internet our history is getting known. In some ways it has made us stronger. Many real Romany in the UK do what they have always done, keep quiet about their ethnicity and save it for home. Those who say they are a Gypsy the loudest, usually aren't. Opre Roma.
Not entirely true that loud and proud Roma are not who they say they are. I could ask you if you are a bonafide Roma and lived the life but that is your business. Talk for yourself and not for others. Even if people aren't pure blood or have not lived the life and only just identify with it or proud of their ancestors, good for them. Me, I've lived it to the moon and back, 24/7 and came up smelling of roses! 😄🍀🔥💯
The Rom never claimed to be from Egypt. The word "Gypsy" was ignorantly applied to us by westerners who thought we looked Egyptian. We consider it a slur and do not use it to refer to ourselves.
That's correct it was assumed. But there is a strong Egyptian connection. Some families still obtain the stories of their forefathers. 12 tribes of Dan
@stiglaa I am proud of my ancestry. That is why I get annoyed with the wannabees who think that by living in a caravan, it makes you a Romany. It don't . It is what's in your veins. I fight against prejudice all the time but a lot of wannabees give real Romanys a bad name. We was always brought up to keep it to ourselves, if other people don't know, you won't be at a disadvantage because of the prejudice. Most of the Rom I know think the same, we know who we are & know our own when we see them.
I once read an article by Barbara Cartland, the author, where she said she was on a town council in Britain that had to make a decision about some Gypsies. They were camping out near the town river for the water and they wanted to enroll their kids in school. The town council decided to kick them off the land and bar their kids from school. Gypsies get a bad rap. It's like the chicken or egg riddle. They're banned from society but are supposed to behave themselves? It's a bad rap.
I lived as a Gypsy from birth until the early 90s. 13 years. I lived at settlements near family, on sites and abandoned grounds, in woodlands, and in lay-bys on rare occasion. We never traveled in a convoy/pack we did our own thing. Many stay in there own areas like many of my cousins. We went up and down the country and myself in later years have kept moving around and travelling abroad. School never really worked out. Once it's known you are a Gypsy it would prove very testing and the teachers didn't do anything as they were prejudice also and ignorant especially in rural areas unlike cities which are more tolerant from my experience. School wasn't worth the hassle, you'd be fighting much older kids or men on occasion. In any case you learned way more outside the class room and we did to a large degree. I have experienced also the kindness of strangers many times in harder times and I remember when we travelled alone farmers were quite fair. Back in the 80s my father would plot up for tenner a week while working the fields in any season with my mum and we did too as children at our own pace. My father would mostly drive and support our life style while working away on the lorries. My elders were born in wagons and some lived that way for over 40 to 50 years. One of my aunt's and uncles only moved into bricks and mortar well into their 50s during the 90s. That life was getting harder to sustain. As it did for us. It had its hardships but most of the time it was a immeasurable paradise, a real heaven on earth. There is quite a few of the elders buried at Canterbury.
Barbra Cartland was instrumental in assisting some Gypsies achieving Planning Permission on land near Hatfield , Hertfordshire . I've been to that site 30 + years ago but cannot recall it's exact location .
@@AntaresBottia Thanks for sharing. I am of romany descent but live in Australia. My grandad (UK) worked also as a lorry driver to support his family but they stopped travelling in my fathers generation. I mourn that I never will experience the true gypsy lifestyle.
Poshrat Kentish Lee Romanichal here. Grew up in America in a house! I've got a gold tooth and we've got a big old Cadillac but barely drive it. Graddad lived in a vardo for a while. I am well educated (studied voice at Juilliard!) but I've never been a thieving "Pikey". It's almost like you can't judge a race of people on the actions (or rumors) of others! Damn, these gadjos are racist!
I think that I would have loved that way of life. Simple hard working families that were very useful to the farmers in those days when casual labour was needed. Great to see the lurchers and horses. Also amazing to see Canterbury high street
The old ways are changing you cannot deny The day of the traveler's over There's nowhere to gang and there's nowhere to bide So farewell to the life of the rover Goodbye to the tent and the old caravan To the tinker, the rover, the traveling man And goodbye tae the thirty foot trailer Farewell tae the cant and the traveling tongue Farewell tae the Romany talking The buying, the selling, the old fortune telling The knock on the door and the hawking You got to move fast to keep up with the times For these days a man cannot dander There's a bylaw to say you maun be on your way And another to say ye can't wander Farewell to the blossom and besoms of broom Farewell tae the creels and the baskets The folk of today would far rather pay For a thing that is made oot o plastic The old ways are passing and soon will be gone And progress is aye a big factor Its sent to afflict us and when they evict us They tow us away wi a tractor Farewell tae the pony, the cob, and the mare The reins and the harness are idle You don't need a strap when you're breaking up scrap So farewell tae the bit and the bridle Farewell tae the fields where we've sweated and toiled At pulling and hauling and lifting They'll soon have machines and the traveling queens And their menfolk had better be shifting
i worked in a care home and this woman who was long gone, sadly, once started going on about how lovely it was when she was young driving the pony and trap through the orchard - and there's a clip of that! At the time i saw it subjectively, the bright light through green leaves, red apples and smell of grass in the morning
Romany people are blonde fair and dark and deep olive ..no rules and romany people usually are together, dont mix Romanians up with Romany its a big difference. They are mostly the people of Dan going back to the old Jerusalem. As for cleaning toilets I dont know about that ! but Romany people work just them same as anyone else.
Kushty bit of film and we're lucky to have it. But it would be much better if a Traveller was narrating it. The music is divvy and as for the language not being spoken any more, well, more gojia lies. Yeckrus ta te divvus chavvi, the bori gorjia ryor kakka jinnen asa but Romany chalor rokkerenna kushtines o tatcha puri chib.
Having lived in Warwickshire since I was a boy, during the 1940's, I met many friendly gypsy ladies as they sold lavender and cloths pegs at the front door of our family home.
I find it ironic that Gypsies are still to this day treated with disdain by people in Britain. Ironic given the Gael who inhabited these Island long before the arrival of the Roman,Viking and Anglo Saxon settlers came from the Middle East and travelled across Europe to find a home here. There are good and bad in all ethnic groups including our/your own.
Me mums family were romanys and she has pics from the 50s and 60s similiar to the video clip we just watched and its intresting on how things have changed i personally blame irish travellers for the bad reputation that gypsies have these days proper romanys never stole from anyone but the irish are really bad and thats coming from a guy who has gypsy relatives..
Beautiful wagons and a lovely countryside but it is very sad to think that today that traveller is way of life and the Gypsies way of life is under from culture your identity is trying to be wiped out because there is no one left for them to stop they're not wanted where they go people in the news always say that there is an illegal encampment but they don't say the fact that there is no legal stopping places available what people don't realise about travel culture who is part of the countries the fact that the state the side of the road tbecoming impossible these days there is no camps available
I put some links to articles under the video I linked. An author of a new book is claiming Little Egypt is area close to the Scottish borders and gypsies have a link to israelite tribes and a 'close' link to Mary Magdalene and Jesus/Isa. I know gypsies/tinkers in Finland claim they came out of Scotland.
I have researched this also. Supernaturally I was first given the clues/glimpses and then learn later in life via books so in my opinion, experience, there is something to this.
I am not of gypsy travelling stock as far as I'm aware. I am interested in the gypsy connection to Mary Magdalene and her servant Sarah and why they were allowed onto the St.Clairs land at Rosslyn Chapel when they were chased from everywhere else practically in Scotland and yes as far as I'm aware gypsies used to claim they were from their own little country - Little Egypt
@@sibellakingston52 You are being very dramatic. You like most are only going by mainstream studies. Yes, there are very strong roots in India, they are well established, no dispute but like I said it goes back further. I've actually been to India among many other places to learn for myself and I've been lucky enough to meet very influential and old bloodline families who keep their history.
I still have 4% South and North Indian blood in me - my lot are mainly based I Kent. Most of us still have our dark colour (Indian) Again no dispute about our strong roots in India, language - and how it influenced London especially the cockneys in my time in the east end. Unfortunately with history its surface level information - I'm almost 30 years into my research which has been helped along with broader travel, mystery schools, masonic fraternities and some families that keep their history. Again, not downplaying India's long deep rooted heritage that is massively embedded into our culture I'm just saying it goes back further. My roots go back to Persia, Balkans, Germanic, Northern Europe along with many others including my celtic and Greco-Roman roots. Good luck on your journey Sibella
@estemundo73 how do they get so much money without breaking the law? most gypsies are rich. you ever heard the saying "no such thing as a poor gypsy"? even the ones who live in caravans are rich, they have expensive houses that they only stay in some of the time for a holiday. they just like caravans. i know this one gypsy who lives in a caravan but he owns a nightclub and lots of houses and five cars. he is rich.
Some are rich business people others are piss poor, but you got it wrong about all living in houses. There are whole families living on caravan sites up and down the Country.,
it was particurly hard on the women who had to live in cramped conditions and keep warm round an open fire - so why was that harder for women, were the men all staying in hotels?
Things were particularly hard for women collecting firewood? While the men were out with a pick and shovel and fighting bare knuckle for prize money to feed their families.
I am Roma which literally means our people the ones in this video are not Roma they are Romy child it is not the same only romas are considered our people they have a very similar life but they are still considered guy J which literally means not our people and Romanus is the language of the Roma people it's spoken all over the world to this day but only Roma's speak it is their language it means our people's language and roma are not from India they are a lost tribe of Israel who practice the law of Moses to this day I just wanted to correct what this guy is saying
If you make sure you become family units you will stand a better chance of middle class housing. If you can purchase a home it needs to be semi detached with 3 bedrooms a bathroom and a toilet down stairs.
As adults we must teach our children to be socially minded and consider we are all equal, regardless of color, race, of status we are born into because when our body dies we eventually reincarnate to become the Conscious Awareness of an unborn bay with a different set of emotions compared with our previous life, which determines how we develop in society, social or otherwise. Children are parents and grandparents of the future and should be monitored from birth until they are 16 years of age, for abuse, incest and other antisocial problems found in family units. This would ensure potential antisocial problems can be identified and solved to prevent many more antisocial problems, which damaging society.The spin off from monitoring children would save us all time and money and would dramatically reduce crime and corruption. As we monitor children they will begin to respect their parents, grandparents and people in authority, who will build a society by sharing world resources and wealth. When everyone begins to realize the value of our children they will reduce antisocial behavior and corruption, which means instead of our taxes collected used for social control, they will be used to reduce a country's national debt. Failure to monitor children will result in many more serious worldwide disasters because this world is programmed to achieve true Democracy even if it means killing millions of people.
Let me tell you , they are right about the Egyptian thing and if you are true Romany , we can speak a little of all languages worldwide! Mainly Indian If we “Jel” that means move off quick! In Indian “Jeldi means hurry! Yok means eye In french Yeux means eye Mooro means meat in Hungarian it means stew! Need to keep teaching the old ways going and pooka nixes to these goorgas! X💪
the name was gypty or gyption words made by the French get it right lol they said they were earls of little Egypt on a religious pilgrimage, to avoid racist Europe, none Romani travellers are gorgers including Irish travellers none travellers are not gorgers, or godgers it's an Indian military word meaning civilian
these are travellers and no gypsy,s a horse and campfire and everbody think oh gypsy,s. watch lacho drom on you tube thereu can see real gypsy,s and no travellers.
As ta grandson of a gypsies son it is high time all romaines should be integrated into our democratic society, then they too will live longer with care and attention.
2015 will bringv many more romanies into society providing they are prepared to maintain middle class hygene and cleanliness standards and become a credit to society as small family units.
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Remember a lady gypsy and her son who came every year to tell my step mothers fortune. The boy one year brought me a baby bunny rabbit. Of all the people it was me who he kept this bunny for and waited untill his mother was due to call at my home.
I have wondered so so many times why he did it and why was I so special.
I'm 71 and have never forgot that gypsy boy and his gift.
He had a soft spot for you!
how lovely. what a memory.
If your still alive I hope your well if not I hope you were happy till the end
This is awesome. My great great grandfather was Henry Taylor, a Romani Gypsy who is documented as being involved with some gangs back in the early 1900s in Birmingham. My grandfather never knew his family, his dad left when my grandfather was born. My grandfathers mother passed away giving birth so he was eventually adopted and moved to America under a different name. He did a ton of genealogy and family tree digging to find out who his family was over the years. Tons of really cool stuff. My great great great grandfather (Henry's father) was a full blown Romani. Hung around Black Patch Park in Birmingham with other families such as the Boswell's, Hearn's, Lee's and Gray's. My grandfather has pages of documented stuff that he's found over the years.
Have Taylors in my tree too also some in Black Patch. I can relate to your story as I live in Australia (Dad emigrated here from UK) and my Grandad was born 'illegitimate' and was brought up seeing his birth mum sometimes and his Dad started a new family the next year unfortunately, so there was secrecy around everything. I am a Cooper with Stanley, Ayres, Taylor, Broadway and a bunch of others. I'm sure we're distant cousins! Kushti bok!
I've got Foster,Jenkins I don't know if anybody has come across any
All them families where together for years along with shaws and lovells are all black face Rom and where part of the Romany gypsy lore society in other words the original real Roms
@@jackiemoon4587 Cushti Bok to you too friend
@Romchav my next door neighbour was a lovell. Gave up his gypsy roots and became a london cabbie. But he was a hard man with dark features and would do anything for his family.
Iv only just seen this video and would just like to say that that as a Gypsie Lady I love my roots where I came from. I am one of nine children. I have five brothers and three sisters. My parents moved into a house when I was about five years of age. So I have been brought up on both sides of the fence well thats what I call it. So in many ways I should be called a gorja but my blood says no Im proud of who I am. I married a gorja and have two beautifull children who also have been brought up on both sides of the fence. We are not all bad as there is good and bad in every one. And yes we should live among society as which I do and so does my brothers and sisters. we are Lee Family in Canterbury and its our home since the first ones came to Canterbury in about the same time as this video was done I am now looking into to see if thease people are any of my family x
Proper English Gypsies are welcome in this land. More a part of the ancient world than many of the natives. Doubt many modern immigrants tread the old forgotten paths.
How can you call yourself a Gorja just because your family is settled, it's in the blood line not how you live.
my 2nd great nan was brittania lee, married to my 2nd gg thomas young they lived in Mitcham searles yard
I see high standards all around:
Fine, strong, draught horses.
Leather harness with metal ornamentation.
Light-weight but sturdy caravans and carts.
Beautiful tableware.
And above all fine, healthy looking people going through life on the margins.
Half human half sewer rst
I'm proud to be a Romany gypsy. If only life was that easy and peaceful for us now.
are you Indian Romani
It used to be. I was born in the 70s and spent the 80s and early 90s living the life. Just got harder to sustain the lifestyle.
@@niteblaster1 Ancient Hebrews
@@AntaresBottia You're either Romani blood or you aren't - it's not a lifestyle.
@@sibellakingston52 I am a full blooded Romany and I lived it. I now live in a house but I travel when I can, which is quite often.
I've lived all over the UK (and abroad)in the days when it was authentic, not like it is these days with all its red tape.
Today's generation are imitation rather than art.
My kin are the Bottons, Lee's, Dighton's, Smith's, Penfolds.
These are the REAL travellers,I remember growing up in the East End,they would set up in the Essex countryside,and walk to our part of the city selling lavender and pegs,telling our fortunes for 5p and they were happy and pleasant.NOT like the travellers of today who descend like a bloody rabble at Appleby and other areas around the country leaving bags of shite waste and rubbish behind them.Foul mouthed and ready to RIP off any old people they see as fair game.The old travellers of yesteryear were pleasant folks.
That's the different between Irish Travellers and Romani.
Tally paige my grandad asked me to do this as he can't read or write he said we are romani not the travellers yes the old days have gone and the others are new age,and them that live in vans who are dirty
Tally paige the rubbish and shit at appleby is caused by 30,000 gadji visitors so come see for yourself not listen to folk who don't know shit from piss
Romany is in our Family bloodline ,the caravans are passing our home,121 Northgate, ...great film , thank you for posting .
One of them young boys was nailey lee, he had sons nailey, sammy and abraham and daughter beatie, stopped round canterbury way up near stone street
Thanks for sharing! Was wondering who the family was.
iam proud to be a gypsy ive got old photos of my great nan in her vardoe just like them wagons
john james l'm sorry, but where have you been? In Russia all drugs in their hand. Just negative.
I AINT CARRYING WAGONS EVERY WHERE
Fantastic archieve footage of a way of life thats almost extinct.
As a true descendant of romany blood, I've found this footage to be amonst the best that i've seen to date.
An excellent insight into the travelling fraternity, & a fabulous tribute to the ancestors of many.
God bless.
Kind regards, Gary.
Romani always leave the land they have stayed on in perfect harmony with the countryside no mess !
*cough cough* hello.
Evesham find old fashioned traveller 70s
So who are the people that leave a mess
@@blissy1 gorger
@Donnell Okafor I said Romani not modern travellers ! Very different !
Every gypsy I have met have always been polite and friendly and they should be allowed to live society and receive social benefits regardless of what part of Europe they live in. When a gypsy family unit is allowed into society they should educate their children away town or village they live in . This would ensue they would not be subject to abuse. All gypsy children should receive and education, based on ability to achieve university training for the career of their choosing.
Are you allowed sharp things where your staying ?
My Great Grandmother was a Martha Scamp from Canterbury. I have my family tree way back, one of my ancestors had born Gypsy tent Sandhurst Kent on the birth certificate.
@artistjoh You are right, many people over the centuries didn't care where we came from, all they knew was they didn't like the us. In the UK we are Romany, many of our people do not really know our history well but because of the internet our history is getting known. In some ways it has made us stronger. Many real Romany in the UK do what they have always done, keep quiet about their ethnicity and save it for home. Those who say they are a Gypsy the loudest, usually aren't. Opre Roma.
Not entirely true that loud and proud Roma are not who they say they are.
I could ask you if you are a bonafide Roma and lived the life but that is your business.
Talk for yourself and not for others. Even if people aren't pure blood or have not lived the life and only just identify with it or proud of their ancestors, good for them.
Me, I've lived it to the moon and back, 24/7 and came up smelling of roses! 😄🍀🔥💯
The Rom never claimed to be from Egypt. The word "Gypsy" was ignorantly applied to us by westerners who thought we looked Egyptian. We consider it a slur and do not use it to refer to ourselves.
They didn' t CLAIM Egyptian origin. People assumed that they were Egyptians.
rubbish
they said they were earls of little Egypt on a religious pilgrimage you moron
it was likely more of a miscommunication, as many Romani had in fact lived and worked in Egypt.
When they had there dark skin.
@@g.thompson9125 Some had been through Egypt - most had come across Europe.
That's correct it was assumed. But there is a strong Egyptian connection. Some families still obtain the stories of their forefathers.
12 tribes of Dan
This reminds me of the good old days,Hawking the streets for scramble in the winter and picking spuds in the summer.
His time moved on
@stiglaa I am proud of my ancestry. That is why I get annoyed with the wannabees who think that by living in a caravan, it makes you a Romany. It don't . It is what's in your veins. I fight against prejudice all the time but a lot of wannabees give real Romanys a bad name.
We was always brought up to keep it to ourselves, if other people don't know, you won't be at a disadvantage because of the prejudice. Most of the Rom I know think the same, we know who we are & know our own when we see them.
Nais tuke, pral. 💙💓💚
I know it’s a long time since you posted this but I have to say it was beautifully and objectively presented,
I once read an article by Barbara Cartland, the author, where she said she was on a town council in Britain that had to make a decision about some Gypsies. They were camping out near the town river for the water and they wanted to enroll their kids in school. The town council decided to kick them off the land and bar their kids from school. Gypsies get a bad rap. It's like the chicken or egg riddle. They're banned from society but are supposed to behave themselves? It's a bad rap.
I lived as a Gypsy from birth until the early 90s. 13 years. I lived at settlements near family, on sites and abandoned grounds, in woodlands, and in lay-bys on rare occasion. We never traveled in a convoy/pack we did our own thing. Many stay in there own areas like many of my cousins. We went up and down the country and myself in later years have kept moving around and travelling abroad.
School never really worked out. Once it's known you are a Gypsy it would prove very testing and the teachers didn't do anything as they were prejudice also and ignorant especially in rural areas unlike cities which are more tolerant from my experience.
School wasn't worth the hassle, you'd be fighting much older kids or men on occasion. In any case you learned way more outside the class room and we did to a large degree.
I have experienced also the kindness of strangers many times in harder times and I remember when we travelled alone farmers were quite fair. Back in the 80s my father would plot up for tenner a week while working the fields in any season with my mum and we did too as children at our own pace. My father would mostly drive and support our life style while working away on the lorries.
My elders were born in wagons and some lived that way for over 40 to 50 years. One of my aunt's and uncles only moved into bricks and mortar well into their 50s during the 90s. That life was getting harder to sustain. As it did for us.
It had its hardships but most of the time it was a immeasurable paradise, a real heaven on earth.
There is quite a few of the elders buried at Canterbury.
@@AntaresBottia Best wishes
Barbra Cartland was instrumental in assisting some Gypsies achieving Planning Permission on land near Hatfield , Hertfordshire . I've been to that site 30 + years ago but cannot recall it's exact location .
@@AntaresBottia Thanks for sharing. I am of romany descent but live in Australia. My grandad (UK) worked also as a lorry driver to support his family but they stopped travelling in my fathers generation. I mourn that I never will experience the true gypsy lifestyle.
Poshrat Kentish Lee Romanichal here. Grew up in America in a house! I've got a gold tooth and we've got a big old Cadillac but barely drive it. Graddad lived in a vardo for a while. I am well educated (studied voice at Juilliard!) but I've never been a thieving "Pikey". It's almost like you can't judge a race of people on the actions (or rumors) of others! Damn, these gadjos are racist!
I was friends with the Lee family in Canterbury many years ago :)
I'm proud of my Roma grandfather!!
A Rom Roma is plural
My great grandfather was a romany gypsie
I'm gypsy and I love Jesus and I love u all 😘
I think that I would have loved that way of life. Simple hard working families that were very useful to the farmers in those days when casual labour was needed. Great to see the lurchers and horses. Also amazing to see Canterbury high street
take me back to those days .
The old ways are changing you cannot deny
The day of the traveler's over
There's nowhere to gang and there's nowhere to bide
So farewell to the life of the rover
Goodbye to the tent and the old caravan
To the tinker, the rover, the traveling man
And goodbye tae the thirty foot trailer
Farewell tae the cant and the traveling tongue
Farewell tae the Romany talking
The buying, the selling, the old fortune telling
The knock on the door and the hawking
You got to move fast to keep up with the times
For these days a man cannot dander
There's a bylaw to say you maun be on your way
And another to say ye can't wander
Farewell to the blossom and besoms of broom
Farewell tae the creels and the baskets
The folk of today would far rather pay
For a thing that is made oot o plastic
The old ways are passing and soon will be gone
And progress is aye a big factor
Its sent to afflict us and when they evict us
They tow us away wi a tractor
Farewell tae the pony, the cob, and the mare
The reins and the harness are idle
You don't need a strap when you're breaking up scrap
So farewell tae the bit and the bridle
Farewell tae the fields where we've sweated and toiled
At pulling and hauling and lifting
They'll soon have machines and the traveling queens
And their menfolk had better be shifting
Thanks for the poem. Where does it come from ?
Hugh Tierney Tierney
It’s song lyrics
“ Luke Kelly - Thirty Foot Trailer”
Gypsy and proud
i worked in a care home and this woman who was long gone, sadly, once started going on about how lovely it was when she was young driving the pony and trap through the orchard - and there's a clip of that! At the time i saw it subjectively, the bright light through green leaves, red apples and smell of grass in the morning
Romany people are blonde fair and dark and deep olive ..no rules and romany people usually are together, dont mix Romanians up with Romany its a big difference. They are mostly the people of Dan going back to the old Jerusalem. As for cleaning toilets I dont know about that ! but Romany people work just them same as anyone else.
Excellent Historic.
Thanks for posting this rare footage.The vile comments of stupid ignoramuses should be ignored.
Great film. Thanks for posting!
Kushty bit of film and we're lucky to have it. But it would be much better if a Traveller was narrating it. The music is divvy and as for the language not being spoken any more, well, more gojia lies. Yeckrus ta te divvus chavvi, the bori gorjia ryor kakka jinnen asa but Romany chalor rokkerenna kushtines o tatcha puri chib.
Having lived in Warwickshire since I was a boy, during the 1940's, I met many friendly gypsy ladies as they sold lavender and cloths pegs at the front door of our family home.
Fantastic footage, thanks for sharing
i expect them chavvies is all old people now wit grankids on there own.God be good to them.
awesome !
Thank you
this is good vid , thx for posting ,their life is dying out but their heritage shoughldnt be forgotten , so kushti bok (good luck) with this this xx
wonga means 'coal'. Lovva is the proper word for money.
Cushty bit of film,do anybody know who they is/was ? what family /
FORD TRANSIT SPECIALIST Cheers for the info.
gypsy and proud
Great footage of old Canterbury and the culture of the day. Must add, some vile views from people who are clearly without education.
I find it ironic that Gypsies are still to this day treated with disdain by people in Britain.
Ironic given the Gael who inhabited these Island long before the arrival of the Roman,Viking and Anglo Saxon settlers came from the Middle East and travelled across Europe to find a home here.
There are good and bad in all ethnic groups including our/your own.
I am proud of my Romany blood 💖.
Me mums family were romanys and she has pics from the 50s and 60s similiar to the video clip we just watched and its intresting on how things have changed i personally blame irish travellers for the bad reputation that gypsies have these days proper romanys never stole from anyone but the irish are really bad and thats coming from a guy who has gypsy relatives..
fablous xxx
Bajhtales,have a good fortuna,this video es very good,thanks
Beautiful wagons and a lovely countryside but it is very sad to think that today that traveller is way of life and the Gypsies way of life is under from culture your identity is trying to be wiped out because there is no one left for them to stop they're not wanted where they go people in the news always say that there is an illegal encampment but they don't say the fact that there is no legal stopping places available what people don't realise about travel culture who is part of the countries the fact that the state the side of the road tbecoming impossible these days there is no camps available
Living a nomadic horse drawn road life for the last 6 yrs (now in Europe), the hard life isn't that bad.
But you aren't Romani.
❤ from france
Im proud man aswell of my roots
Not sure that was the best choice of music for a film showing a life of grinding poverty.
They didn't claim to come from Egypt. A scholar decided that they came from Egypt.
drop the dead donkey you talk shit Roma come from India
I put some links to articles under the video I linked. An author of a new book is claiming Little Egypt is area close to the Scottish borders and gypsies have a link to israelite tribes and a 'close' link to Mary Magdalene and Jesus/Isa. I know gypsies/tinkers in Finland claim they came out of Scotland.
I have researched this also. Supernaturally I was first given the clues/glimpses and then learn later in life via books so in my opinion, experience, there is something to this.
Green umbrella no on everything
Me ol father's people come fr there the scamps Eastwoods and the brazils .
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Anyone else’s family from red skin village in mitcham?
I believe the traveller's in this film are some off the lee' and hildens
Tattie pickin' - oh boy, done that! Back breaking work! :D
The history is wrong, but it's good footage.
Well said silver760!
I am not of gypsy travelling stock as far as I'm aware. I am interested in the gypsy connection to Mary Magdalene and her servant Sarah and why they were allowed onto the St.Clairs land at Rosslyn Chapel when they were chased from everywhere else practically in Scotland and yes as far as I'm aware gypsies used to claim they were from their own little country - Little Egypt
Green umbrella sarah kali helped the three Mary's to land in France also we not from little Egypt from rajasthan
He talks about Roma gypsies and most of the images are of travelers
Romany arrived in the UK before the beginning of the 16th century, a long time before.
Hello again!
Do you know the true origin? Btw it's not essentially India but long before.
@@AntaresBottia No - it's India. Stop trying to spread false claims. Our DNA, our language, our customs - ALL from India.
@@sibellakingston52 You are being very dramatic. You like most are only going by mainstream studies.
Yes, there are very strong roots in India, they are well established, no dispute but like I said it goes back further.
I've actually been to India among many other places to learn for myself and I've been lucky enough to meet very influential and old bloodline families who keep their history.
I still have 4% South and North Indian blood in me - my lot are mainly based I Kent. Most of us still have our dark colour (Indian) Again no dispute about our strong roots in India, language - and how it influenced London especially the cockneys in my time in the east end.
Unfortunately with history its surface level information - I'm almost 30 years into my research which has been helped along with broader travel, mystery schools, masonic fraternities and some families that keep their history.
Again, not downplaying India's long deep rooted heritage that is massively embedded into our culture I'm just saying it goes back further.
My roots go back to Persia, Balkans, Germanic, Northern Europe along with many others including my celtic and Greco-Roman roots.
Good luck on your journey Sibella
@@AntaresBottia I'm going by science, and my own DNA.
Imagine today's travellers doing an honest day's work. 😂
Modern Celtic art
check out the eco gypsy on you tube for a look at some of the top gypsy vardos around cheers all
@estemundo73 how do they get so much money without breaking the law? most gypsies are rich. you ever heard the saying "no such thing as a poor gypsy"? even the ones who live in caravans are rich, they have expensive houses that they only stay in some of the time for a holiday. they just like caravans. i know this one gypsy who lives in a caravan but he owns a nightclub and lots of houses and five cars. he is rich.
Some are rich business people others are piss poor, but you got it wrong about all living in houses. There are whole families living on caravan sites up and down the Country.,
it was particurly hard on the women who had to live in cramped conditions and keep warm round an open fire - so why was that harder for women, were the men all staying in hotels?
Hop picking was a very hard job, not an easy life the women worked hard
Things were particularly hard for women collecting firewood? While the men were out with a pick and shovel and fighting bare knuckle for prize money to feed their families.
Nomads have cattle. They are traveller's.
Are they descended from India?
As far as I'm away the Indian Government have declared that all Roma people are of Indian decent.
Yes we are ☺️
The real gypsy's English my family's god bless 🙏
English romanichal very mixed I guess
What do you mean by 'old' Jerusalem?
;-)
watch?v=zlM9jLSQW_Y
@XXX270685 So do u hate India for that?
coool x thanks for this¬ lol
I am Roma which literally means our people the ones in this video are not Roma they are Romy child it is not the same only romas are considered our people they have a very similar life but they are still considered guy J which literally means not our people and Romanus is the language of the Roma people it's spoken all over the world to this day but only Roma's speak it is their language it means our people's language and roma are not from India they are a lost tribe of Israel who practice the law of Moses to this day I just wanted to correct what this guy is saying
Badromaman1 kaski san
You know - Californians can learn the lifestyle methods of the Romanies, instead of turning into the tent city they are today.
If you make sure you become family units you will stand a better chance of middle class housing. If you can purchase a home it needs to be semi detached with 3 bedrooms a bathroom and a toilet down stairs.
Joseph laundering where you from
Maybe your family did, but my family didn't.
No pot holes either
Litle changes since. 2021 same o. Taking advantage of technology
the film is wonderful,,,the narator couldnt tell muck from manure.
As adults we must teach our children to be socially minded and consider we are all equal, regardless of color, race, of status we are born into because when our body dies we eventually reincarnate to become the Conscious Awareness of an unborn bay with a different set of emotions compared with our previous life, which determines how we develop in society, social or otherwise.
Children are parents and grandparents of the future and should be monitored from birth until they are 16 years of age, for abuse, incest and other antisocial problems found in family units. This would ensure potential antisocial problems can be identified and solved to prevent many more antisocial problems, which damaging society.The spin off from monitoring children would save us all time and money and would dramatically reduce crime and corruption.
As we monitor children they will begin to respect their parents, grandparents and people in authority, who will build a society by sharing world resources and wealth. When everyone begins to realize the value of our children they will reduce antisocial behavior and corruption, which means instead of our taxes collected used for social control, they will be used to reduce a country's national debt.
Failure to monitor children will result in many more serious worldwide disasters because this world is programmed to achieve true Democracy even if it means killing millions of people.
Joseph laundrette what
Let me tell you , they are right about the Egyptian thing and if you are true Romany , we can speak a little of all languages worldwide! Mainly Indian
If we “Jel” that means move off quick!
In Indian “Jeldi means hurry!
Yok means eye
In french Yeux means eye
Mooro means meat in Hungarian it means stew! Need to keep teaching the old ways going and pooka nixes to these goorgas! X💪
Same with bungali when they say paani it means water we say piss or maybe tea
Aye, sounds like any fine upstanding, chav run working class council estate does that.
Back then they worked to survive. Now? No so much, huh?
1985 yili vest get tekaveyde calistim turkiye
the name was gypty or gyption
words made by the French
get it right lol
they said they were earls of little Egypt on a religious pilgrimage, to avoid racist Europe, none Romani travellers are gorgers including Irish travellers
none travellers are not gorgers, or godgers
it's an Indian military word meaning civilian
Hahaha hello there twins
Oh yes, they still speak roma
these are travellers and no gypsy,s a horse and campfire and everbody think oh gypsy,s. watch lacho drom on you tube thereu can see real gypsy,s and no travellers.
They are descendants of the aryan race that invaded India .
Then done a u-turn after conquering it and head bk towards Europe
Al about dutch travelers old pictures old movies @ Facebook /woonwagenbewoners
The commentator has no clue what so ever on what he is talking about.
As ta grandson of a gypsies son it is high time all romaines should be integrated into our democratic society, then they too will live longer with care and attention.
2015 will bringv many more romanies into society providing they are prepared to maintain middle class hygene and cleanliness standards and become a credit to society as small family units.
Joseph laundrette dinoli mush