An MT-07 compared to the Duke R, when you upgrade the Suspension to the Duke R's level + the brakes + akrapovic exhaust and you will end up with the same price tag. The Duke R is a bike that is versatile. You can go Kart track, big track, sunday blast or everyday commuting. It looks better than the MT, is sportier, has all the electronic gizmos and with the updated engine is faster than an MT-07 (just go -1 at the front)
Any twin in the same capacity is going to feel more refined, and develop power more quickly. If single cylinder thumping is more appealing, then go for the Duke.
First of all they didn't say KTM started it. They said almost started it. I don't even think 690 Duke is a Supermoto - they're probably just referencing the term as in driving style / engine setup etc. Also what's Gilera or Cagiva? Never heard, never really seen. Trends are usually not about who was absolutely first - but who was big enough to make a niche famous.
The duke of today isn't a supermoto. But the original was very different, with the same seat height as a 690 SMC-R. They were very much supermotos but have over the years evolved into more of a naked bike (especially with the 4th gen reviewed here)
those digital screens show you soul? what about the paywall of 2k to get the nav unlocked on that screen, wich is already in there but they dont allow to use it lol... not to mention there's a big aftermarket for mt07 etc, you can tune your bike any way u like it.. and still get cheaper or equalent to ktm 690.. those bikes are overrated af... not to mention they have heating problems... (well atleast they used to have 013-14 models..)
Comments on the price difference is no added value and a waste of our time. The maths is simplistic to do and we can do that alone. What matters is the feel of each model, with detailed and thoughtful analysis, especially by you where your added value also lies with the fact that you test lots of bikes and can make comparisons (again, not on price). Also one aspect which ought to be explored is the bike in relation to the expection, ie what type of rider could be interested by the regular Duke vs type of rider for the R. Plse improve.
Really? Reliability on a 690 engine? what about all the cam follower & rocker arm problems? The fuel pump problems? The electrical problems with the dash? I wish I would have got a MT-07 the first time, that way I wouldn't have been bleeding like stuck pig.
Most of the problems were fixed back in 2012, there was another minor issue with knocking sounds that was entirely fixed this year, the 2017 model has all of its early years problems patched up.
Hmmm I've got over 35'000 miles on my 2013 690Duke and it still runs Great:-) although it didn't get as many rides this past year due to a 2015 1290r moving into my garage;-) (it just pasted 15'500 miles :-)
Check out "Cape York Jungle Adventure KTM 690 - part fifth-teen" .. this blokes 690 just died in the middle of nowhere. Tell him it's Ok Tom the 2017 model is tickerty boo.
So I have the Duke 690, 2016 model and I was wondering why the R has a different brake reservoir? I know it has the better caliper. Can you put that set up on the Duke? Also can you get the R handle bars for the regular Duke here in the states? Silver is just so ugly. Also the R blinkers are so sexy.. Want for mine :( We always get screwed here in the states from the cool stuff.
@@lizzbien4446 the KTM is far more fun. It handles much better, it's way, way lighter, and the engine is slightly bonkers. The MT is heavier and bouncier but slightly more easy going.
@@lizzbien4446 the 690 runs on unusual and expensive 10w60 oil which costs £16/litre, and they use about 1L of the stuff every couple of thousand miles for the first 10k miles or so, before the engine's really run in. Don't skimp on the oil and it should be bombproof. There are three things you do need to watch out for though: 1. instrument panel - DO NOT PRESSURE WASH ACCIDENTALY (£500 replacement :( ), 2. clutch slave cylinder (didn't break on mine after 18k miles but I hear they're a weak point). 3. Plastic petrol tank can warp if there's too much ethanol in the fuel
It's for people like me who wants to see the comparison between these 2 bikes without having to watch an entire episode of a bike-programme. It's like any other motoring channel, except here, they also upload their entire show. You should be glad to get the entire episode instead of complaining about them dissecting their show into bite sized chunks.
Should I really.. Well thank you for your sage advice and I'm glad your needs have been met. I however shall continue to view double uploading content in whatever format as a cynical way to increase views and as a bi product.. Waste my time..
Yes. But it is also more expensive. Both are great bikes but if you got the money go for the Duke. You're not gonna regret it. The quality and reliability is awesome!
Yamaha reliability is going to be higher than KTM. If you like changing and customizing stuff, the Yamaha can be made to similar hardware to basically arrive at similar cost.
@@johnDukemaster After a good 5 years of snooping around, my conclusion is no. It's a single cylinder, means higer maintainance, vibrates like you know what, and KTM also has a really bad reputation for reliability. The 07 also seems to have way better characteristics
The mt07 has a wweight of 184kg. I've been riding the cb500f for 5 almost 6 years now which weighs 190 or something, no issues with that. Also glad I didn't go for another single. @@J5X7
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Switch off all the things which make it an R and go for the R over the base model. That makes sense.
you mean switch off the adjustable suspension, the better brakes and the akra too?
An MT-07 compared to the Duke R, when you upgrade the Suspension to the Duke R's level + the brakes + akrapovic exhaust and you will end up with the same price tag.
The Duke R is a bike that is versatile. You can go Kart track, big track, sunday blast or everyday commuting. It looks better than the MT, is sportier, has all the electronic gizmos and with the updated engine is faster than an MT-07 (just go -1 at the front)
Any twin in the same capacity is going to feel more refined, and develop power more quickly. If single cylinder thumping is more appealing, then go for the Duke.
This bike would smash an mt 07. More power, more torque, better suspension and lighter. I'm not biased, I own an mt 03.
but mt 07 has the torque and that sound of the 2 c
@@ahmetyasar2542 it sure does. I still love the mt07
@@muertinix both bikes super sexy at every aspect
I've had the MT07...had, and now I have a Duke 690 and the KTM IS a better bike. In all aspects. Promise!
Why does everyone think that KTM started the supermoto genre with the 1994 duke? Both the Gilera Nordwest and Cagiva supercity were out years before!
First of all they didn't say KTM started it. They said almost started it.
I don't even think 690 Duke is a Supermoto - they're probably just referencing the term as in driving style / engine setup etc.
Also what's Gilera or Cagiva? Never heard, never really seen. Trends are usually not about who was absolutely first - but who was big enough to make a niche famous.
The duke of today isn't a supermoto. But the original was very different, with the same seat height as a 690 SMC-R. They were very much supermotos but have over the years evolved into more of a naked bike (especially with the 4th gen reviewed here)
Id choose a bike with some soul and charm over a typical commuter bike for the masses (mt07)
those digital screens show you soul? what about the paywall of 2k to get the nav unlocked on that screen, wich is already in there but they dont allow to use it lol...
not to mention there's a big aftermarket for mt07 etc, you can tune your bike any way u like it.. and still get cheaper or equalent to ktm 690.. those bikes are overrated af...
not to mention they have heating problems... (well atleast they used to have 013-14 models..)
Comments on the price difference is no added value and a waste of our time. The maths is simplistic to do and we can do that alone.
What matters is the feel of each model, with detailed and thoughtful analysis, especially by you where your added value also lies with the fact that you test lots of bikes and can make comparisons (again, not on price).
Also one aspect which ought to be explored is the bike in relation to the expection, ie what type of rider could be interested by the regular Duke vs type of rider for the R.
Plse improve.
Good point! :)
KTM duke is NOT a supermoto....
Otherwise a nice comparison.
So what is the 690 SMC R Then ?
You´re stupid right ?
The SMC is a SUPERMOTO , the DUKE isn't. It's that simple. Even KTM advertises it as a NAKED bike...
agreed, but I think he's referring to the fact that the first dukes were basically LC4 motards.
Ignorant and rude, TramDaBam Tram.
So the Yamaha MT10 is only £1000 more? hmmm...
The guy in blue is more argumentative than informative
Just get a 2014 Duke R and throw in an Akra full system LOL
Really? Reliability on a 690 engine? what about all the cam follower & rocker arm problems? The fuel pump problems? The electrical problems with the dash? I wish I would have got a MT-07 the first time, that way I wouldn't have been bleeding like stuck pig.
Most of the problems were fixed back in 2012, there was another minor issue with knocking sounds that was entirely fixed this year, the 2017 model has all of its early years problems patched up.
Hmmm I've got over 35'000 miles on my 2013 690Duke and it still runs Great:-) although it didn't get as many rides this past year due to a 2015 1290r moving into my garage;-) (it just pasted 15'500 miles :-)
My 17' Duke outdoes my 15' MT-07 all day every day and thrice on Sunday
@@fishfritz1 wow
Orange bike was a duke 2 not the first model
Check out "Cape York Jungle Adventure KTM 690 - part fifth-teen" .. this blokes 690 just died in the middle of nowhere. Tell him it's Ok Tom the 2017 model is tickerty boo.
This video is reupolad?
So I have the Duke 690, 2016 model and I was wondering why the R has a different brake reservoir? I know it has the better caliper. Can you put that set up on the Duke? Also can you get the R handle bars for the regular Duke here in the states? Silver is just so ugly. Also the R blinkers are so sexy.. Want for mine :( We always get screwed here in the states from the cool stuff.
Late to the party but... try making your MT-07 40kg lighter with a £4000 budget.
I was thinking about the MT07 - which is a better package, an MT07 or this KTM 690 Duke?
@@lizzbien4446 the KTM is far more fun. It handles much better, it's way, way lighter, and the engine is slightly bonkers. The MT is heavier and bouncier but slightly more easy going.
@@caspianprince
The Duke sounds the one to get them! 👍😁 thanks for the response. Are they known to be reliable bikes, or need special maintenance?
@@lizzbien4446 the 690 runs on unusual and expensive 10w60 oil which costs £16/litre, and they use about 1L of the stuff every couple of thousand miles for the first 10k miles or so, before the engine's really run in. Don't skimp on the oil and it should be bombproof. There are three things you do need to watch out for though: 1. instrument panel - DO NOT PRESSURE WASH ACCIDENTALY (£500 replacement :( ), 2. clutch slave cylinder (didn't break on mine after 18k miles but I hear they're a weak point). 3. Plastic petrol tank can warp if there's too much ethanol in the fuel
ps. it's the most fun bike I've ever had in 30 years. Made me feel 17 again.
Not sure why we dont get the R in the states
No hot hatches either. We never get shit
$$$$$! MT-07, nice bike but too much. But if money isn't an issue, hell yeah
Why repost the videos again and again, WTF :/
die say its a supermoto?!!?
super = high level
moto = bike
he didn't say motard
pretty much like saying hyper-car
@@AksenowtCc Its not like that dude...
@@fxxc777 i know man lol
@@AksenowtCc Geez that was a quick reply
@@fxxc777 i already was on yt watching a video ahah
burnouts???? WHY?
WHY NOT!!!!!!!
stand up burnouts ,,sure,,,maybe a bit of drifting. ..
wd
great review guys!
OMG the prices!!! ....... That 690R 3 years ago was £500 more than I paid a few months ago for a brand new 790 Duke!! 😲
yes... brembo m50, magura clutch, akrapovic, top suspensions, full optional bike vs stock model
Audio has ringing in it. Annoying to listen to.
The duke will breakdown. Fuel pump issue. Buy a reliable make
Why are you re uploading your videos? That's quickly gonna get annoying
This is for people that might not of seen the Bike World show itself...
How is that better than just leaving the original upload? or are you just trying to look busy posting these "new" videos?
It's for people like me who wants to see the comparison between these 2 bikes without having to watch an entire episode of a bike-programme. It's like any other motoring channel, except here, they also upload their entire show.
You should be glad to get the entire episode instead of complaining about them dissecting their show into bite sized chunks.
Should I really.. Well thank you for your sage advice and I'm glad your needs have been met. I however shall continue to view double uploading content in whatever format as a cynical way to increase views and as a bi product.. Waste my time..
TO MUCH BLA BLAAAAAA
so this ia better than the mt07?
Yes. But it is also more expensive. Both are great bikes but if you got the money go for the Duke. You're not gonna regret it. The quality and reliability is awesome!
Yamaha reliability is going to be higher than KTM. If you like changing and customizing stuff, the Yamaha can be made to similar hardware to basically arrive at similar cost.
YES!
@@johnDukemaster After a good 5 years of snooping around, my conclusion is no.
It's a single cylinder, means higer maintainance, vibrates like you know what, and KTM also has a really bad reputation for reliability.
The 07 also seems to have way better characteristics
The mt07 has a wweight of 184kg.
I've been riding the cb500f for 5 almost 6 years now which weighs 190 or something, no issues with that. Also glad I didn't go for another single. @@J5X7
Huge high pitched beep in this video