Sanded Vs Premixed Grout to Use In Mosaics
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มี.ค. 2020
- Sanded grout is extremely popular as a grout in Mosaics but how does Premixed grout compare? I take a look at the pros and cons of using both. For links on products and videos please click the button below "Show More"
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I very much appreciate and enjoy all your videos! Thank you for taking the time to do these! I did miss your signature "Right Now" beginning
Thankyou so much. LOL@signature Right Now, it'll be back. lol :)
USA I buy pre mixed sanded grout. Enjoy the ease for small projects.
Yes a great idea, premixed has come a long way from the early days. Thanks for watching. :)
Thanks for this, Peter 😁 Very informative and a good guide to make the right choice for projects.
Thankyou so much, appreciate that. :)
Thank you for the information. Explained so well.
Thanks so much and thankyou for watching. :)
Thanks for a great in depth discussion and demonstration!
Thanks Julie so glad you enjoyed it, thankyou for commenting. :)
Such simple designs but so lovely!
Thankyou very much. :)
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Thankyou very much and my pleasure. :)
Very helpful info. I didn't realize you can't use premix grout for outdoor without cover. I like both grouts. Thanks for explaining the pros and cons of both.
Thanks so much, that may only apply to this brand of premixed, just check the manufacturers SDS on any product your're looking at using as it will tell you any limitations the product may have. :)
Recently discovered your channel. Thankyou for the wealth of knowledge you share. I have yet to do any mosaics because it was a bit daunting.
I'll be right now.
Good to hear the australian accent and those birds in the background. 😊👍🌳
Thankyou so much Jonna, appreciate that. It can be a lot of fun and addictive, you will be fine, thankyou, love listening to the birds. 😊
Thank you , I like the premixed in the container it lasts me ages and it’s so convenient.
Thankyou so much Frances, yes it is very convenient, no mixing to get the consistency right either. :)
I am new to the arts and craft world. Thank you for the education on sanded verses premixed grout. Very informative.
Thankyou very much, and appreciate you watching as well. :)
Great help!!
Thankyou and my pleasure. :)
Hola mil gracias explica muy bien ...con muchos detalles,feliz de haber encontrado este video.solamente lo tradusco al Español. Saludos desde Chile.
Muchas gracias, se lo agradezco mucho :)
This is very helpful. I have been thinking of using premixed for convenience. But I like to paint my grout with acrylic paint after it's dry and or leave big sections of grout. So thank you for this. I guess I'll still be mixing my own grout.
Thankyou very much appreciate that, my preference is to mix my own grout its also a lot cheaper. Thanks for commenting. :)
Thank you for this! I have never made a mosaic but have an idea for a big one :) It is for outdoor use (not undercover) so I guess I'll be using sanded grout!
Thankyou so much. If you haven't made a mosaic before I would suggest starting small so that you become familiar with your materials and tools unless you are very confident then go for it. :) Defiantly use a good brand of sanded grout such as Laticrete or Mapei and when you buy the grout date it so that you know when you bought it as grout has a shelf life, generally 12 months and needs to be stored in a dry place off the floor. :)
@@TreasuryRoad lol my first project was the backsplash in my bathroom and then on to the backsplash in my kitchen. So not small projects. I definitely did learn as I went.
Thank you, this is very, very helpful. Someday I would very much like to try Laticrete. However, when all is said and done, I still think the best way to grout is to just mail the piece to you.
ROFL so funny, Laticrete is awesome and I do love grouting. :)
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I use premixed grout ...I didn't know about wetting the tiles prior and that it isn't good for outdoor use. I also added pigment to it!!! Will see how my mailbox holds up! All your videos are very informative. I ordered Lacticrete.
Thankyou very much, I don't know if you have to pre-wet the tiles with all premixed but this one I did. Love Laticrete products. :)
this video helped me a lot! I appreciate this information since I am new to this beautiful art. I purchased a premixed grout and quite do not like the consistency. Difficult to clean up for sure. Off to purchase dry sand grout.
Thankyou Cosmic, l don’t use premixed grout and it’s so much more expensive. Thanks for the comment. 😊
Excellent explanation in grouts. I also viewed your video about tinsel adhesive grout for outdoor. I’m kind of scare and nervous to make sure I mix tinsel grout, color tint, and water correctly. Im sure there have direction how to mix on the bag and container. Any advice would appreciate.
Thankyou and thankyou for watching. If you are referring to the video where I create thinset using Laticrete Permacolour grout and Laticrete Latex Additive, this is just one way and no water was added. There are many different thinsets on the market, the way I showed you in the video is just one way. Just adding water to grout doesn't create thinset as grout on its own with water is just grout with no adhesive properties. You can buy thinset on its own which is how most people do it, it usually comes in grey or white and you can add colour oxides to it for colour, directions for this are generally on the technical sheets from the manufactures website or on the packaging. There is always more than one way to do a project my way is not the only way but it works for me. :)
So informative your videos! I am just getting started with mosaics. i bought a whole lot of supplies off a retiring artist. some of the premix looks unopened but highly likely it's over 12 mos old. shall i just toss it? and what would be the proper way to dispose of it? thanks for sharing your knowledge!!
Thankyou so much Debra. If you are talking about premix grout and you cannot see a date anywhere, I would throw it out, although its a bit of a waste but the last thing you want is to spend all your time on a mosaic and the grout fails. You could ring the manufacturer or check their data sheets as they would probably tell you the shelf life however you would still need to see a manufacturing date somewhere to know, also grout is very cheap. You are much better off mixing your own grout and when you buy your sanded grout in put a date on it so you know when you bought it, it helps a lot. Disposing of it will depend on your local laws, the manufacturers data sheets may also contain that information, you could possibly scoop it out of the container allow it to go hard and put it into the trash but again check your local laws and the data sheets. :)
Thank you, Peter. I have a half gallon of black premixed Spectralock 1 by Laticrete. I've only used it a couple of times and wasn't so happy with it, but I want to use it and not waste the money. I have a couple of small projects and am still working on making small grout lines, but not there completely with these. I wanted to use the Translucent grout, but can't because of some of the spaces, I think being too big for it. So I just looked at the can for the grout line thickness because I now wanted to see if I could use it for these projects and the instructions say good from 1/16th to 3/8ths inch (9mm) So I guess all epoxy grouts aren't the same as far as that goes. Also, with this one it doesn't have to be mixed ahead of time. One more thing, I did not see anything about wiping ahead of time, but maybe that is why it was a little harder to wipe off. These two projects I'm getting ready to grout have quite a few pieces of glass that have rough tops to them. I seem to collect a lot of it and the sanded grout is much easier to get off of the glass. So, I am back to the sanded grout for these two projects This video was very helpful. Really made me think about what I need to do. You are always so helpful. Thank you.
Thanks so much Liz appreciate that. Yes epoxy grouts are not the same, just as sanded grouts are different, the Spectralock 1 premixed isn't an epoxy grout and I believe its quite a hard product to work with. The Litokol Translucent grout and Laticrete Spectralock Pro Premium are epoxy grouts I have used both and consider the Litokol epoxy grouts better to work with. To get the best out of the Litokol Translucent grout you need to use glass preferably semi transparent and grout lines no larger then 3mm. 95% of the time I use epoxy grouts for my pieces but sanded grout is also great its just a matter of choosing the right grout for the job and being aware of any grouts limitations. Thanks for watching and for the comment as well. :)
@@TreasuryRoad You are right. I thought it was an epoxy grout and it says its a pre-mixed grout with epoxy performance. Well, I still don't like it and I am sorry I bought it, but I will make things to use it. Thanks Peter!
Thank you for the instructional. :-) How long can you leave the sanded grout on before cleaning the tiles?
Thankyou. It depends on the environment you are in but you want to start cleaning it off when the grout starts to haze over. Generally around 5 to 10 minutes when using ordinary sanded grout, always follow the manufactures directions.
Very helpful information. Thank you
Can we use epoxy grouting on a mosaic art? Can we use epoxy grouting on glass or stained glass mosaic art??
Thankyou so much. You would need to check with the manufactures technical data sheets on the product your looking at purchasing as they contain all the necessary information, they are very easy to read and generally available on their website. I have used Laticrete Spectralock Pro epoxy grout successfully on my mosaics, I use it for all my outside pieces and also some of my inside pieces which contain stained glass, mirror, glazed tiles and many other tess, but its always advisable to read the technical data sheet and make sure it suits your job. :)
Hi Peter. Thank you. I just have a question, not related to this video. Can you buy Thinset in Australia, I haven't been able to find it here? Thanks you, by the way I love how your Gazing ball is coming along.
Thankyou so much June. Thinset is American terminology for cement based adhesive, this is what you need to ask for instead of thinset. Its available at Bunnings but I prefer to use the Laticrete brand which you can buy from tile stores or OzMosaics from their online store in QLD in smaller quantities. Mapei is another good brand just make sure its rated for the material that you are using and where its going because there are different types. Thanks for watching and for your comment. :)
Peter, thank you so much for your reply and information. Now I understand why I have been so confused😂. All a big learning curve, but we'll get there. 😅
Really appreciate your very informative videos. Thank again. 😊
My pleasure and apprecaite your kind thoughts. :)
So then if you use premixed grout you can put the lid back on and continue using that grout over 12 months? Also I use a mask when I do sanded grout, it looks like another advantage to use premixed - no worries about a mask. One more - I noticed you spread your black grout over your substrate and it left a nice looking background. Can you do the same thing with th premixed?
Thanks Peter for making these vids! Very interesting and helpful.
Yes you can reuse the grout providing its stored correctly, I also wear a mask when mixing the sanded grout. I just went out and had a look at the samples the sanded grout stained the backing board and is smooth, the premixed grout where I didn't wipe it totally off seems to have griped to the backing board and has more of a textured background, a great question. The really big downside is you really need to be aware where you are going to be using the premix and also Im not sure how it will hold up 5, 10, 15 years from now. Thanks heaps for watching Linda, appreciate it. :)
Can I use the sanded grout on an old metal pump housing I am mosaicing which will be left in the garden. I gather from your informative clip here that the sanded grout is MORE suitable for outdoors ( rain wont pool on it as it is circular) rather than the davco grout powder I mixed with water ( not the premix). I have used the this normal davco and dunlop grout for outdoors without an issue as the water does not pool. Where do I get the sanded grout from also please? you said you ordered online? thnx
Sanded grout can be used inside or outside, I cant answer your question specifically to your pump housing but in normal situations outdoors sanded grout is great and is far more durable than unsanded grout. The two grouts you have been using may already be sanded grout and thats why you haven't had an issue with them outodoors I would have a read of the manufacturers info or give them a call to verify. I buy Laticrete Permacolour sanded grout online from Oz Mosaics in QLD. :)
Hi again! I've been looked for Laticrete sanded grout in black and can't seem to find it (Southern California). Is there another brand you recommend? Is there a way to add a black pigment to charcoal?
Hi Chana, if you go to the Laticrete website you can look up your nearest reseller or give Laticrete a call. Mapei or Litokcol are also good brands. You can add oxides to sanded grout to change the colours. 😊
Hi Peter, Just wondering how pre-mix grout compares with Davco Rejuvenation grout? Is it ok to use rejuvenation grout in place of pre-mix grout, ie. where no grout has been used before?
Hi Catherine, I cant advise you on that as I generally don't use Davco products although I have heard of rejuvenation grout, I would read the technical data sheet on the Davco website, they are very easy to read and should have all the information you need, if not give Davco a call. :)
@@TreasuryRoad that's great advice, thanks Peter.
I have made about 20 mosaic sculptures and panels, and was given the rejuvenation grout.
I was advised to use grout plus glass additive as a one step adhesive and grout process. I thibk your approach in the you tube tutorial, which shows it as two separate steps is safer for a good outdoor finished product
If intending to add colour pigment, what colour sanded grout should be used? Thanks.
It really depends on the look and the density of colour, many people use white but sometimes this can make the colour pale but in some case more of a purer colour. I have used almond and grey. Experiment a little and see what you like. :)
As far as I know there is a powder of sanded and unsanded grout that have to be mixed with water. Does what you say in your video for sanded grout apply also to unsanded grout powder?
Sanded grout and unsanded grout are very different to each other, most mosaic artists use sanded grout because its a lot more durable, can be used into much wider grout lines, is less likely to crack and sag, unsanded grout is generally used on sensative material. I am generalizing here as there are many different manufacturers of sanded and unsanded grout. Always read the manufacturers data sheets before buying a product as they contain all the information you need to know as well as the limitations of the product that you're looking at using, these are generally available on the manufacturers website. :)
Hi Peter, is premixed Dunlop Grout the same as premix Davco one which should be used in covered area?
Whenever you are looking at products that you're not sure about read the manufacturers stat sheets and they will tell you about them., Its always good to get into the habit of doing that as they also contain safety measures to take as well. I would avoid premixed grout as sanded grout is stronger and is a little more forgiving.
Hi Peter, I am doing my first mosaic and have watched a lot of your videos. I have concluded that I need to use sanded grout since it will be used indoor and has uneven pieces with larger gaps. I am confused by the products available and having a hard time understanding the difference between Laticrete PERMACOLOR grout and Laticrete 1500 sanded grout. I would love your insight.
Thankyou very much, I use Laticrete Permacolour sanded grout or Litool epoxy grout for all my projects. The Laticrete 1500 is not available here I think its only available in the USA and Canada. I don't think it comes in the range of colours that the Permacolour sanded grout comes in but in saying that I would give Laticrete a call and speak to one of the sales reps or the technical department to find out the differences between them. The company is great to talk too and are familiar with the mosaic industry because I am not familiar with that product. Thankyou for watching and for your comment. :)
@@TreasuryRoad Thank you for your insight and advice. I did call Laticrete and you're right, they are lovely to speak with and very helpful!
Have you ever used clear grout, especially for glass on glass?
Just letting you know there is not such thing as clear grout. There is a misconception that the word translucent means "CLEAR" - it doesn't. This term is being freely used for some translucent grout products. The definition of translucent: allowing light, but not detailed shapes, to pass through, eg a frosted window. The definition of Transparent is allowing light to pass through so that objects behind can be distinctly seen. Translucent products are NOT transparent. I have made a few videos on the Litokol Translucent grout including using it on GOG. I consider the LItokol brand to be the best one on the market. :)
I was told sanded is best for larger gaps between the tiles
Generally this is correct and unsanded grout for very narrow grout lines, it is dependent on the manufactures specifications and you shouldn't exceed the grout lines wider than their recommendations. I like to have my grout lines very close together and I always use sanded grout or Litokol epoxy grout for my pieces. I generally use Laticrete Permacolour sanded grout which is a fairly fine grout and it gets into all the small grout lines. Mind you if I was tiling a shower then I would have larger grout lines rather than having the tess so close together. Thanks for watching and commenting. :)
Try making a megalithic wall using a similar technique
Take a long time for a wall.
It looks like you had pieces of mirror on your samples. Did the sanded grout scratch that?
I have use sanded grout on mirror many times and I have never had it scratch it, I only use Latricrete Permacolour sanded grout which is quite a fine and very consistent, other grouts may scratch but a lot of people say it doesn't for them as well. :)
Is there any way to sign your piece? If it is on a way plaque, that would be easy to sign on the back. But, what about other pieces?? Thank you.
You can have a small initial ceramic plaque made for the front, you can engrave a small piece on the front or have some made they are not expensive. You can also use paper under glass which I have produced a video on called making cabochons but I dont consider that to be permanent answer. You can always sign a piece of small white tile, you would need to look at the best markers for this and add a protective UV coat over the top to ensure longevity or even signing on the back of a non reflective framing glass there are some available with UV type blockers seal the signature on the back and apply to the mosaic. You would need to experiment with a few of these but I would consider the first two and the last one to be the strongest options. Not recommending just my thoughts but worth a look into. :)
Treasury Road Thank you. I have much to consider.
Please. How would one engrave a piece or where could you have one made? Thanks again. I really enjoy your videos. Keep them coming.
@@sallyvandersypen9872 Sorry I just saw your comment. There is so much technology out there you could pretty well have anything engraved. I would Google an engraver in or around your area. Most engraving is now done by machine rather than by hand, you could also get yourself an engraving pen and do it yourself you may require some practice to get it right, but options are out there. :)
@@TreasuryRoad engraving pen! Big like👍
Mils are different than millimeters 1 mil=.001 of an inch 1milimeter=25.4 /1 or .0394 of an inch
Good point, thankyou will keep that in mind. :)
That premixed grout looks way too wet without wiping the tesserae to dampen first.
It went on pretty well very similar to sanded grout, wasn't to bad but definitely different overall . :)
You’re ambidextrous!
LOL You're very astute. :)
Why...yes I am! 😁
@@shawnas464 I concur. :)
So the premix you are using is non sanded grout? Some premix are sanded so to say premix means nothing.
Yes I should have clarified that in the video. :)
@@TreasuryRoad thanks for all your videos. I am brand new. Just bought a premixed grout that says sanded. Does that mean the drawbacks of the unsanded you mentioned don't apply? Thanks
@@peacefuleater9271 Thankyou very much Julie, I would suggest reading the manufacturers technical sheets as there are so many brands out in the market place, I couldn't tell you. Reading the technical sheets and manufacturers data sheets sounds daunting however they are very straight forward and not really that technical, they are generally available on their website. It pays to read these before purchasing or using any product as they will tell you the limitations of the product. :)
@@TreasuryRoad Great advice thank you
@@peacefuleater9271 My pleasure Julie. :)