Really good review. I just ordered a box of these off Amazon at about 70 cents each. I have been using a 602 recently and I am very impressed. However, it is a little top heavy for my taste which of course will balance itself with repeated sharpenings. I am after a good writing pencil that I can keep very sharp without worrying about going through too many pricey pencils. Hopefully the 9850 will fit the bill. I have also really started to enjoy 2.0 mm lead holders of which the Kitaboshi is my favorite so far. It is made of cedar and smells wonderful. Fells like a nice wood pencil in my hands and operates more like a mechanical pencil than lead holder. The 1B lead that comes with it has a nice balance of tooth and liquidity. I like it for travel due to how small the OHTO sharpener is and less mess.
For such an expensive pencil, and an ingenious ferrule design, the Palomino erasers are absolute *hot garbage* - even the updated pink one. Got a box of these Mitsu-bishi pencils on the way arriving today. If they're anything as good as this video (and other reviewers) state, I'll be happy to call them my primary wood pencil.
Mitsubishi pencils in my opinion are just high quality. I love using them to draw. But for writing, I get the most pleasure with the balanced lead Blackwings. The erasers are okay. Don't really have an opinion on them other than being unique. :-)
@@coolboysoniclink470 I don't even understand your comment. Really strong reaction for a comment about an eraser. Do we know each other? Did I insult your mother? Is your mother a pencil eraser?
You won't go wrong with either one of these pencils and but Mitsubishis are cheaper. The Blackwings are beautiful and smell divine. Its a tough call. But my money goes to the 9850 for the price and the fact that they write just as well as a Blackwing. Also the Mitsubishi has a far superior eraser. Similar to a Staedtler Mars plastic eraser. 9850 all the way. The Palomino Pearl is amazing for drawing though. I like my Palomino Pearls for sketching.
I've used the 9850 for a few years now and I'm totally sold on it. The only eraser that's better is the Sakura Sumo IMHO. I haven't used the 602 yet but I do own several Pearls and find them entirely too soft. Wish I would have bought the 602 instead. I guess the color of the Pearl is what swayed me. Thanks for the comparison. If they're that close in performance I'll stick with my 9850's. Mitsubishi also has the 9852 EW recycled which comes unpainted with a purplish colored ferrule and a black eraser that performs almost identically, it's just not as pretty as the maroon 9850.
Great video! I have one 9800 left from my first box of 12 and it's an astounding pencil for the money. I had a look at the price of Blackwings and I chose instead to buy a box of 12 Hi-Uni HB pencils, and I'm interested to see how they compare to my Japan-made HB Mono 100s, which are the best all-round graphite pencil I've ever used. My vintage Lumographs will probably get sold now as I much prefer the darkness and smoothness of Mitsubishi's sublime HB graphite (quite a bit darker even than a "B" Lumograph).
I have the Mitsu-bishi 9850, great writing experience. I am tempted to purchase a dozen of 602. Seems like from this review they are very similar, not sure if a purchase of $25 for the blackwings would be justified. To buy or not to buy? that is the question.
In person, Blackwings are very different to Mitsubishis. They are softer, smoother, darker, both the graphite and the lackuer and overall finish, feels much more premium + they also come with an eraser.
I don't believe in calling one pencil 'better' than another. Which is better is subjective. I like to deal in 'quality' of a pencil when comparing, and both of those pencils are high quality.
I just compared them this morning. I see no difference. I was hoping the original (even says woodclinched on it) would have some subtle mojo over the Palomino, but I saw none.
Japan vs Japan. All Blackwing are made in Japan along with Palomino's drawing pencils (orange with black tip). Of course you know that & as always amazing review Rix !
Cool, how does the new Blackwing compare to the Blackwing Eberhard Faber made between 1932 to about 1998? It's nice Mitsubishi not only builds cars but also makes ballpens, colored pencils and regular pencil. God bless.
@@OShackHennessy Thanks I discovered an even smoother pencil thanks to a cool TH-camr (forgot the channel), it's called 100 Test Scoring by Mudgrave. I have both boxes and Test Scoring and Blackwing, I tend to just play with the Blackwing now coz's still the most stylish, most beautiful pencil but wished they'd buy Mudgrave pencil company and use their lead formula... but I use the also amazing 100 Test Scoring for writing (making Blackwing, esp. w/ the cool box a kind of just a cool display piece now). Mudgrave accidentally trumped Blackwing and is now the smoothest writer, one will not go back to Blackwing, unless it's used as a fidget toy or display (fidgeting as well it's amazingly designed eraser) 100 Test Scoring is definitely one of the most hidden gems of all hidden gems in any industry or category- I actually imported it, costing a lot but it's really way cheaper when it's not imported, at student prices. I emailed & recommended Blackwing to buy Mudgrave and use their lead and also upgrade Blackwing's for the 21st century its girth/width to 100 Test Scoring's width which is more ergonomic & feels better coz' I think based on the name, it's for long hours of marking things on test papers to help students ace a perfect 100 score. God bless, Revelation 21:4
Refers to the overall visual characteristics of how light and dark areas are rendered on paper. It encompasses the range and distribution of different shades, tones, and values created by varying pressure and techniques when using pencils. Tonal quality is often used to convey depth, texture, and dimension in drawings, and it plays a significant role in achieving a realistic or expressive representation of the subject.
I am preparing for the exam, so I write a lot and I am solving tests. Which pen would you recommend? Pentel Smash 0.5 and Pentel Graph 1000 For Pro 0.5, which is better?
Pencil? I'd be happy with the 602 if I'm "writing a lot". I'd use the Pearl if I was doing small notes here and there. I'd use the Blackwing 'black' if having to color in test bubbles or drawing on the road. As for the mechanical pencils you listed, better is which one feels right to you.
+gamerandartist2 When talking about Kimberly's and Derwents, you're talking about drawing pencils. This MB 9850 is a writing pencil for school/office, etc.
Black wing is much more bolder and straighter and easy to turn in circles. If that’s what you want get the black wing. If you want more for drawing and writing and more lighter content but much smoother then use that
Here's a tip. The very cheap Papermate 1.0 M pen is capable of extremely light lines (way lighter than the lightest here) to solid black. Marvelous pen to draw with. Who knew? Oh, and one more thing. Zero smuging after say, 10 seconds. I bought 60 on ebay for about 20 bucks.
Honestly not far off, it's likely their cores are made by the same folks. Blackwing is all about pretend. Their only link to the original is the look, yet they market as if it's the same thing and upcharge for it. Mitsubishi is just like, it's a nice pencil among a million other pencils, then prices accordingly. It's like moleskine, over paying for "image".
La verdad los Mitsubishi me parecieron una basura, que diseño tan feo, parecen lápices mediocres del colegio, sin mencionar que una marca de automóviles no debería hacer un lápiz. Sin duda los Blacwing tienen un buen diseño y un muy buen grafito, la mayoría de los lápices de dibujo buenos no tienen borrador, así que los Blackwing hicieron un buen trabajo al agregarles un borrador.
Sorry, but it's impossible to watch a video that begins with a Bernie Sanders political ad. I don't know what your political views are, and I don't care, but the ad is there, and socialists are the scum of the earth. I wonder how Bernie would feel about spending even one dollar for a pencil, which really is stupid when there are pencils with higher quality wood and lead for twenty-five cents per pencil? I suppose he would expect you to buy a hundred penny a piece, made in China pencils, and give ninety-nine away to all the other hands out, give me something I didn't earn, socialists.
I have no control over ads that show on my videos. There are two things I don't talk about in my videos, politics and religion. You're not going to please everyone.
Wonderful review. It convinced me to get a box of these wonderful pencils, along with the Palomino Blackwings (all 3 versions).
There are actually 4 versions.
Wow - excellent review! Thank you. The Mitsubishi seems like a perfect daily pencil for writing and drawing.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Really good review. I just ordered a box of these off Amazon at about 70 cents each. I have been using a 602 recently and I am very impressed. However, it is a little top heavy for my taste which of course will balance itself with repeated sharpenings. I am after a good writing pencil that I can keep very sharp without worrying about going through too many pricey pencils. Hopefully the 9850 will fit the bill. I have also really started to enjoy 2.0 mm lead holders of which the Kitaboshi is my favorite so far. It is made of cedar and smells wonderful. Fells like a nice wood pencil in my hands and operates more like a mechanical pencil than lead holder. The 1B lead that comes with it has a nice balance of tooth and liquidity. I like it for travel due to how small the OHTO sharpener is and less mess.
For such an expensive pencil, and an ingenious ferrule design, the Palomino erasers are absolute *hot garbage* - even the updated pink one. Got a box of these Mitsu-bishi pencils on the way arriving today. If they're anything as good as this video (and other reviewers) state, I'll be happy to call them my primary wood pencil.
Mitsubishi pencils in my opinion are just high quality. I love using them to draw. But for writing, I get the most pleasure with the balanced lead Blackwings. The erasers are okay. Don't really have an opinion on them other than being unique. :-)
You are hot garbage🤬
@@coolboysoniclink470 I don't even understand your comment. Really strong reaction for a comment about an eraser. Do we know each other? Did I insult your mother? Is your mother a pencil eraser?
You won't go wrong with either one of these pencils and but Mitsubishis are cheaper. The Blackwings are beautiful and smell divine. Its a tough call. But my money goes to the 9850 for the price and the fact that they write just as well as a Blackwing. Also the Mitsubishi has a far superior eraser. Similar to a Staedtler Mars plastic eraser. 9850 all the way. The Palomino Pearl is amazing for drawing though. I like my Palomino Pearls for sketching.
I've been using both the Mitsubishi & the Blackwing Pearl. Yes I give the edge to Blackwing. For the money Mitsubishi is a great buy!
Agreed.
I have these two. I've done this at home myself. Yes, the 602 wins by a hair. Both amazing pencils.
Can I ask you about another pencil?
The 602 is really nice.
I've used the 9850 for a few years now and I'm totally sold on it. The only eraser that's better is the Sakura Sumo IMHO. I haven't used the 602 yet but I do own several Pearls and find them entirely too soft. Wish I would have bought the 602 instead. I guess the color of the Pearl is what swayed me. Thanks for the comparison. If they're that close in performance I'll stick with my 9850's. Mitsubishi also has the 9852 EW recycled which comes unpainted with a purplish colored ferrule and a black eraser that performs almost identically, it's just not as pretty as the maroon 9850.
Great video! I have one 9800 left from my first box of 12 and it's an astounding pencil for the money. I had a look at the price of Blackwings and I chose instead to buy a box of 12 Hi-Uni HB pencils, and I'm interested to see how they compare to my Japan-made HB Mono 100s, which are the best all-round graphite pencil I've ever used. My vintage Lumographs will probably get sold now as I much prefer the darkness and smoothness of Mitsubishi's sublime HB graphite (quite a bit darker even than a "B" Lumograph).
Thanks!
I have the Mitsu-bishi 9850, great writing experience. I am tempted to purchase a dozen of 602. Seems like from this review they are very similar, not sure if a purchase of $25 for the blackwings would be justified. To buy or not to buy? that is the question.
In person, Blackwings are very different to Mitsubishis. They are softer, smoother, darker, both the graphite and the lackuer and overall finish, feels much more premium + they also come with an eraser.
Are these the same as the hi-uni? Or are those better/higher grade?
What are 'these'?
Is the 9850 better than the Hi-Uni? 😳
I don't believe in calling one pencil 'better' than another. Which is better is subjective. I like to deal in 'quality' of a pencil when comparing, and both of those pencils are high quality.
I'd love to see a video of you comparing the orignal Eberhard Faber 602 to Palomino 602
I would also! But I have not yet come across the original.
Me too ☝️
I just compared them this morning. I see no difference. I was hoping the original (even says woodclinched on it) would have some subtle mojo over the Palomino, but I saw none.
Japan vs Japan.
All Blackwing are made in Japan along with Palomino's drawing pencils (orange with black tip).
Of course you know that & as always amazing review Rix !
Cool, how does the new Blackwing compare to the Blackwing Eberhard Faber made between 1932 to about 1998?
It's nice Mitsubishi not only builds cars but also makes ballpens, colored pencils and regular pencil.
God bless.
Sadly I do not have one of the originals to compare.
Supposedly there is no comparison to the original version. The new ones are said to be good but inferior to the original .
@@OShackHennessy Thanks I discovered an even smoother pencil thanks to a cool TH-camr (forgot the channel), it's called 100 Test Scoring by Mudgrave. I have both boxes and Test Scoring and Blackwing, I tend to just play with the Blackwing now coz's still the most stylish, most beautiful pencil but wished they'd buy Mudgrave pencil company and use their lead formula... but I use the also amazing 100 Test Scoring for writing (making Blackwing, esp. w/ the cool box a kind of just a cool display piece now).
Mudgrave accidentally trumped Blackwing and is now the smoothest writer, one will not go back to Blackwing, unless it's used as a fidget toy or display (fidgeting as well it's amazingly designed eraser)
100 Test Scoring is definitely one of the most hidden gems of all hidden gems in any industry or category- I actually imported it, costing a lot but it's really way cheaper when it's not imported, at student prices.
I emailed & recommended Blackwing to buy Mudgrave and use their lead and also upgrade Blackwing's for the 21st century its girth/width to 100 Test Scoring's width which is more ergonomic & feels better coz' I think based on the name, it's for long hours of marking things on test papers to help students ace a perfect 100 score.
God bless, Revelation 21:4
Titsu-Bitchy pencils are my favorite
Hi Rix I got Blackwing pencils which volume has the same graphite and lead as the blackwing original black colour.
The Blackwing (Black) is a SOFT graphite. So this would match Volumes 73 and 1138.
What do you mean by “tonal quality”?
Refers to the overall visual characteristics of how light and dark areas are rendered on paper. It encompasses the range and distribution of different shades, tones, and values created by varying pressure and techniques when using pencils. Tonal quality is often used to convey depth, texture, and dimension in drawings, and it plays a significant role in achieving a realistic or expressive representation of the subject.
@@RixCanDoit Terrible definition. I prefer to say “how much darks does it do?” 😂
I am preparing for the exam, so I write a lot and I am solving tests. Which pen would you recommend? Pentel Smash 0.5 and Pentel Graph 1000 For Pro 0.5, which is better?
Pencil? I'd be happy with the 602 if I'm "writing a lot". I'd use the Pearl if I was doing small notes here and there. I'd use the Blackwing 'black' if having to color in test bubbles or drawing on the road. As for the mechanical pencils you listed, better is which one feels right to you.
@@RixCanDoit Thank you very much, best regards.
Apparently, the HB equivalent in the Palomino line-up is the "Natural" (brown). The "602", instead, is equivalent to a B.
If you only bought an eraser, what would you buy? (not a pencil) And what would you use to clean your eraser?
For drawing or writing?
@@RixCanDoit For drawing. Thanks for asking.
Great Video & Review Dude. Keep up the great work. Nick.
Thanks bro.
Very nice review again Rix!
Good. I will consider buying mitsu-bishi pencils. In my opinion, Kimberly's suck and so do Derwents.
+gamerandartist2 When talking about Kimberly's and Derwents, you're talking about drawing pencils. This MB 9850 is a writing pencil for school/office, etc.
You like the pencil so much you call it sexy
I didn't know Mitsubishi make pencil
Black wing is much more bolder and straighter and easy to turn in circles. If that’s what you want get the black wing. If you want more for drawing and writing and more lighter content but much smoother then use that
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Blackwing seems to just have the edge, but is it twice the price edge🤔
In looks, yes. In price and writing feel...no.
Here's a tip. The very cheap Papermate 1.0 M pen is capable of extremely light lines (way lighter than the lightest here) to solid black. Marvelous pen to draw with. Who knew? Oh, and one more thing. Zero smuging after say, 10 seconds. I bought 60 on ebay for about 20 bucks.
why am i into this? im on a wacom cintiq, dammit! lol
I paint digitaly too but can't beat the feel of working traditional.
effrin999 Adonit is a better stylus
Because Computers ain’t reliable.
Palomino wins, but the Mutsubishi wasn't that far behind.
i want this pencil..could u send me..i will pay the amount
That would be one very expensive pencil if shipped outside the US.
looks like Mitsu-bishi is the winner
Great pencils.
😮
Probably the same pencil with different branding...🤔
Honestly not far off, it's likely their cores are made by the same folks. Blackwing is all about pretend. Their only link to the original is the look, yet they market as if it's the same thing and upcharge for it. Mitsubishi is just like, it's a nice pencil among a million other pencils, then prices accordingly. It's like moleskine, over paying for "image".
"Mitsubishi. We tried to kill your Dad during the war. Now...Write with the legend."
Agree, vengance
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holy shit i wad the 666th view
Not so lucky now.
I'm dead XD
La verdad los Mitsubishi me parecieron una basura, que diseño tan feo, parecen lápices mediocres del colegio, sin mencionar que una marca de automóviles no debería hacer un lápiz.
Sin duda los Blacwing tienen un buen diseño y un muy buen grafito, la mayoría de los lápices de dibujo buenos no tienen borrador, así que los Blackwing hicieron un buen trabajo al agregarles un borrador.
Sorry, but it's impossible to watch a video that begins with a Bernie Sanders political ad. I don't know what your political views are, and I don't care, but the ad is there, and socialists are the scum of the earth.
I wonder how Bernie would feel about spending even one dollar for a pencil, which really is stupid when there are pencils with higher quality wood and lead for twenty-five cents per pencil? I suppose he would expect you to buy a hundred penny a piece, made in China pencils, and give ninety-nine away to all the other hands out, give me something I didn't earn, socialists.
I have no control over ads that show on my videos. There are two things I don't talk about in my videos, politics and religion. You're not going to please everyone.
@@RixCanDoit *rule #1* you can't please everyone lol
@@Truth72500 That's for sure. Don't even try. 🙂
So
@jamesaritchie1 how old were you when you realized you’d never really amount to much of anything?